date:20130729

Hi.

I just got my roller account, and will prepare a blog about developing
within the AOO community. Does one of the AOO blog admin also need to do
something ?

It seems I can do new entry on our blog, but before I do something wrong
(like publish an entry before it has been reviewed), is there any wise
words I should read or can anyone give me a couple of things not to do :-)

thanks in advance.
rgds
jan I.

Re: roller account

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:54 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi.

 I just got my roller account, and will prepare a blog about developing
 within the AOO community. Does one of the AOO blog admin also need to do
 something ?

 It seems I can do new entry on our blog, but before I do something wrong
 (like publish an entry before it has been reviewed), is there any wise
 words I should read or can anyone give me a couple of things not to do :-)


It is always safe to save as draft or full preview, but don't
click post to weblog until you are ready.

The URL of the blog post appears to be fixed the first time you save
the draft.  It is formed based on the title, but you can override it,
until you do the first save.  So if you care about the URL then review
that before saving for the first time.  A good name has some small SEO
advantage.

The other trick I know is to share a draft on the list.  If you copy
the URL that shows up when you do a preview, it looks like this:

https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=foo

If you share that URL no one can see it unless they are also blog editors.

But if you remove that central roller-ui/authoring section then
anyone can read that URL, e.g.:

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=foo

I'd avoid pasting in content from AOO directly, since that brings over
the AOO formatting, or at least attempts to do so and that is messy.
But if you first paste into a plain text editor and then paste into
Roller it is fine.


-Rob


 thanks in advance.
 rgds
 jan I.

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Re: Draft blog post: Interview with the developers of PrOOo-Box

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 Am 07/28/2013 11:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

 On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Kay Schenkkay.sch...@gmail.com  wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org  wrote:



 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=interview_with_the_developers_of

 I've reviewed it already with the PrOO-Box guys, and they provided the
 German translation.  And the English translation as well ;-)


 Very interesting article. Following are a few corrections.

 English part:

 we will use the name PrOOo-Box althoug OpenOffice.org
 -- we will use the name PrOOo-Box although OpenOffice.org

 I think it's great, that you contnioue the project
 -- I think it's great, that you continue the project

 German part:

 derzeit Jö rg Schmidt
 -- derzeit Jörg Schmidt

 Feedback, zB von Computer-Zeitschriften
 -- Feedback, z. B. von Computer-Zeitschriften

 Ich finde es toll, dass Sie das Projekt fortsezten
 -- Ich finde es toll, dass Sie das Projekt fortsetzen

 Im Moment haben wir  neben der Web-Site
 -- Im Moment haben wir  neben der Website

 Wohuing können sie sich wenden, um mehr zu erfahren
 -- Wohin können sie sich wenden, um mehr zu erfahren


Thanks for the corrections.  The post is live now.

-Rob


 Marcus




 I think this is a very nice way of supporting our volunteer ecosystem.
 Hopefully, we can identify others that would like to participate this way
 as well.


 Good candidates would be:  representatives from specific NL
 communities, especially ones that have done something local that is
 interesting.  Also extension authors are good to interview.  Maybe one
 also the OS/2 port?  (We already did blog posts on the BSD and Solaris
 ports)

 One little typo I've identified (second question):
 *fromthe*


 I couldn't find this.  Maybe someone already fixed it?

 Regards,

 -Rob


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Re: branch aw080 resynched

2013-07-29 Thread Herbert Duerr


On 29.07.2013 14:34, janI wrote:

On 29 July 2013 14:23, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote:
[...]

The page 
http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Source_Codehttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Source_Codealready
 mentions branch alg/aw080.  Maybe you can add a link to
http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Aw080_documentationhttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Aw080_documentation
?


It would be nice also to have rejuvenate01 and the new tags in that list.


Good idea. Done.

Speaking of the rejuvenate01 branch: I just merged AOO 4.0.0 into it. 
If anyone is interested in playing around with the latest (experimental) 
64bit Mac build it is available at

  http://people.apache.org/~hdu/AOO_Mac64_rejuv.dmg


I just update l10n to the new branch name.


Thanks!

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dead link on http://www.openoffice.org/de/

2013-07-29 Thread Guenter Marxen


Hi,

I checked the new German page http://www.openoffice.org/de/ and found 
one error: When I click on [Herunterladen] in the menue bar, I get 
error 404.


The link is
   http://www.openoffice.org/de/download/index.html
instead of
   http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/
(see Ich möchte OpenOffice herunterladen).

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Grüße

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first start of AOO 4

2013-07-29 Thread Guenter Marxen


Hi,

now I have installed AOO 4 de with system integration (Win 7 Pro x64) 
without deleting AOO 3.4.1 during install.


During the first start AOO 4 asks if it should install the dictionaries 
of AOO 3.4.1.
Answering yes is OK (dict is installed in AOO4), but when clicking 
[Abbrechen] (Cancel), AOO 4 is aborted too.


Worth an issue?


The Spelling Checker Duden Korrektor 6.0.0 seems to be incompatibel 
with AOO 4 (loading component library failed...). Or has anybody other 
informations?


--
Grüße

Günter Marxen


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[DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?

Apache OpenOffice operates in CTR mode regarding all changes, commits to
svn repositories.

Changes to source, those files integral to the product, in reality, are
almost never made, save for compiler deprecation or option changes, without
either referencing an issue, or, in the case of larger significant changes,
a discussion on dev@openoffice.apache.org.  The absence of an issue or a
discussion for a code change can lead to unnecessary vetoes, a situation no
one wants.

Now, in addition to product source files contained in /trunk, and various
branches, we have logo source files in a web area which are also product
artifacts:

http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/

Better placement for these source files is under discussion. See current
mail thread:
http://markmail.org/message/6aoohsq4jbx5z7us


Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with:

Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06

were changed. These changes were  not discussed in advance, nor an issue
submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's decision
to not  veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals to new
files and restore the originals. As with any changes, we welcome any
discussion concerning these changes.

So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to have a
changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion before
new commits?


-- 
-
MzK

Success is falling nine times and getting up ten.
 -- Jon Bon Jovi

Re: dead link on http://www.openoffice.org/de/

2013-07-29 Thread Raphael Bircher


Hi Günter

I corrected the link, it should be right now.

Greetings Raphael

Am 29.07.13 16:01, schrieb Guenter Marxen:

Hi,

I checked the new German page http://www.openoffice.org/de/ and found 
one error: When I click on [Herunterladen] in the menue bar, I get 
error 404.


The link is
   http://www.openoffice.org/de/download/index.html
instead of
   http://www.openoffice.org/de/downloads/
(see Ich möchte OpenOffice herunterladen).




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Use AOO under IBM AIX?

Hello,

Is it possible to install AOO on IBM AIX [1] and use? 

If so, *where can I find more information?*



Greetings,
Jörg



[1]
See wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIX
or:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIX


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Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-07-29 Thread Roberto Galoppini

2013/7/27 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org

 On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Roberto Galoppini
 roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:
  2013/7/27 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 
  On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net
 
  wrote:
   Le 26/07/2013 15:40, Roberto Galoppini a écrit :
  
   A) a link to a version compatible with AOO 4.0 has been added for
   http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport and
   http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/mysql_connector
  
   B) 4.0 has been added to the list of possible compatibilities. For
   example
   http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/node/287/releases doesn't enlist
  4.0
   among AOO compatible versions, while new extensions have that set,
 see
  for
   example http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/node/5644/releases.
  
   Note that it's up to the author to indicate his/her extension
   compatibility
   list, and he/she can update it without the need to upload the file
  again.
  
  
   But it means that the author has to be aware that there is a change
 and
  he
   has to update the relevant field.
   There is no script that could add the lack of compatibility if the
  extension
   has not been updated yet?
 
 
  The lack of compatibility is somehow implicit if you read that a given
  extension is compatible with OpenOffice 3.3 or AOO 3.4 and it doesn't
  mention AOO 4.0. See below about how to make sure such info is
 up-to-date.
 
 
 
  
   For the record, in the case of the Lorem ipsum extension, the author
  doesn't
   seem to be willing to update it...
  
 
  If an extension is essentially abandoned then it is only a matter of
  time before it breaks.  Either that or we put ourselves into a
  position where we can never evolve and improve our API.  We should
  focus on the needs of active extension developers, not the inactive
  ones.
 
  This is what we did to keep extension authors in the loop:
 
  1) We created a special mailing list, a...@openoffice.apache.org for
  discussions about extensions.
 
  2) We worked with SourceForge to send an email to all registered
  extension authors to invite them to the new list.  This was done
  before the *.openoffice.org email forwarder was shut down, so they all
  should have received the note.
 
 
  We might resend an email to all Extensions' authors re-inviting them to
  subscribe to the API mailing-list and also inviting them to check if
 their
  extensions do work with AOO 4.0 and eventually update their extension
 page
  accordingly.
 
  Does it sound like a plan?
 

 Reminders are good.


So what do we want to tell them, does anyone want to craft a draft message
for AOOE authors?

Roberto




 -Rob


  Roberto
 
 
 
  3) We announce the 4.0 API changes on the API list and answered any
  questions that came up.
 
  True, not everyone is happy about the changes.  But we tried to ensure
  that every active extension author was aware of the changes coming.
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob
 
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Re: roller account


Am 07/29/2013 02:54 PM, schrieb janI:

Hi.

I just got my roller account, and will prepare a blog about developing
within the AOO community. Does one of the AOO blog admin also need to do
something ?

It seems I can do new entry on our blog, but before I do something wrong
(like publish an entry before it has been reviewed), is there any wise
words I should read or can anyone give me a couple of things not to do :-)


Your account was setup for AOO and you should now be able to write to 
the blog.


Marcus


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
 Hello,

 Is it possible to install AOO on IBM AIX [1] and use?


It should be possible to port AOO to AIX.  It would be roughly
comparable, in difficult, to the BSD port.

It looks like there was some interest a while ago:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=13620

And I receive occasional questions about AIX support as well.

-Rob


 If so, *where can I find more information?*



 Greetings,
 Jörg



 [1]
 See wikipedia:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIX
 or:
 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIX


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Re: roller account

On Jul 29, 2013 7:49 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/29/2013 02:54 PM, schrieb janI:

 Hi.

 I just got my roller account, and will prepare a blog about developing
 within the AOO community. Does one of the AOO blog admin also need to do
 something ?

 It seems I can do new entry on our blog, but before I do something
wrong
 (like publish an entry before it has been reviewed), is there any wise
 words I should read or can anyone give me a couple of things not to do
:-)


 Your account was setup for AOO and you should now be able to write to the
blog.

thx jfarrel told me.

Rob@ thx for the advice, I hope you will be asmong those that review my
first aoo blog.

rgds
jan i

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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?


Am 07/29/2013 07:38 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

Hello,

Is it possible to install AOO on IBM AIX [1] and use?


No, the CPU architecture doesn't fit.


If so, *where can I find more information?*


The system requirements should be enough to see what is supported for 
the binaries. Everything else (nearly) can be assumed as not supported:


http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo40.html

However, technically it should be possible to port AOO to AIX as we can 
see other platforms like BSD and OS/2.


The sky is the limit. But you have to start to reach it. ;-)

Marcus


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

2013-07-29 Thread David Gerard

On 29 July 2013 18:57, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 Am 07/29/2013 07:38 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

 Is it possible to install AOO on IBM AIX [1] and use?

 No, the CPU architecture doesn't fit.


Debian claims to run LO on S/390 LInux, so that shouldn't be an
*impossibility*.
http://packages.debian.org/sid/s390/libreoffice-base/filelist

Assuming that anyone anywhere actually *runs* it.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32178 shows people
building early LOs, which were quite close to OOo.


- d.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] New other.html for all possible download links


Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):

Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:

I've created a new webpage to offer all possible download links for a
release version:
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html


This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online!


see below


It's especially important to have a link to checksums for those who want
a static reference to it or want to verify a package on a different
system than the one used for downloading.


That was one intension, yes.


- all possible downloads for a respective language and OS in a single
place


I foresee another interesting way to use that page, i.e., getting more
localization volunteers. Let's get this version online first, but maybe
we could then add another table with something like The following
languages are released only as source code:, and then a list of each of
the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us release it (in most
cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
but in some cases it might be different).


Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions than one can
thought. But this is no obstacle.


@Andrea:
I've already considered your smaller font size wish for the checksum
links.


Thanks, looks great.


Thanks. :-)

Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but I expect to use
lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan to make it Live
at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time.


As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new other.html in a 
the next time.


Marcus


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New committer: Edwin Sharp (elish)

2013-07-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti


The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache OpenOffice has asked
Edwin Sharp to become a committer and we are pleased to announce
that he has accepted and taken the ID elish.

A warm welcome to Edwin!

Regards,

Andrea, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice PMC

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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?


Am 07/29/2013 08:12 PM, schrieb David Gerard:

On 29 July 2013 18:57, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:

Am 07/29/2013 07:38 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:



Is it possible to install AOO on IBM AIX [1] and use?



No, the CPU architecture doesn't fit.



Debian claims to run LO on S/390 LInux, so that shouldn't be an
*impossibility*.
http://packages.debian.org/sid/s390/libreoffice-base/filelist

Assuming that anyone anywhere actually *runs* it.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32178 shows people
building early LOs, which were quite close to OOo.


Please keep the context und don't delete necessary quotes. ;-)

Joerg and me wrote about the *binaries* not the code. Of course the code 
can be ported to other systems.


Marcus

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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

2013-07-29 Thread David Gerard

On 29 July 2013 19:57, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Joerg and me wrote about the *binaries* not the code. Of course the code can
 be ported to other systems.


Sorry, wasn't clear :-) Does AIX run S/390 binaries?


- d.

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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?


Am 07/29/2013 09:05 PM, schrieb David Gerard:

On 29 July 2013 19:57, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:


Joerg and me wrote about the *binaries* not the code. Of course the code can
be ported to other systems.



Sorry, wasn't clear :-) Does AIX run S/390 binaries?


I'm not familar with AIX but Wikipedia says it runs on different CPU 
architectures.


Marcus


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

On 29 July 2013 21:18, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/29/2013 09:05 PM, schrieb David Gerard:

  On 29 July 2013 19:57, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:

  Joerg and me wrote about the *binaries* not the code. Of course the code
 can
 be ported to other systems.



 Sorry, wasn't clear :-) Does AIX run S/390 binaries?


 I'm not familar with AIX but Wikipedia says it runs on different CPU
 architectures.


Aix runs on quite different cpu architectures and platforms, including
S/390, from very big to medium platforms.

You cannot just a any AOO binary and run it on AIX, it need to be compiled
to aix and the target platform. For the risc line that is a piece of cake
using the BSD port, but for bigger platforms, AOO needs to be configured
quite differently.

I have no experience in porting AOO, but have ported a number of other sw
to aix, and it was not an easy job, especially not when moving towards
mainframes.

rgds
jan I.


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New committer: Christos Stefanidis (christef)

2013-07-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti


The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache OpenOffice has asked
Christos Stefanidis to become a committer and we are pleased to announce
that he has accepted and taken the ID christef.

A warm welcome to Christos!

Regards,

Andrea, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice PMC

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Re: [PROPOSAL] New other.html for all possible download links

2013-07-29 Thread sebb

On 29 July 2013 19:27, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):

 Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

 On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:

 I've created a new webpage to offer all possible download links for a
 release version:
 http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html


 This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online!


 see below

 It's especially important to have a link to checksums for those who want
 a static reference to it or want to verify a package on a different
 system than the one used for downloading.


 That was one intension, yes.

 - all possible downloads for a respective language and OS in a single
 place


 I foresee another interesting way to use that page, i.e., getting more
 localization volunteers. Let's get this version online first, but maybe
 we could then add another table with something like The following
 languages are released only as source code:, and then a list of each of
 the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us release it (in most
 cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
 but in some cases it might be different).


 Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions than one can
 thought. But this is no obstacle.

 @Andrea:
 I've already considered your smaller font size wish for the checksum
 links.


 Thanks, looks great.


 Thanks. :-)

 Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but I expect to use
 lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan to make it Live
 at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time.


 As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new other.html in a the
 next time.

Sorry, but I find the page hard to use.

Most people will not need any language packs, so why clutter the table
with them?

Also if a user does want to add multiple language packs, it's hard
work finding them amongst all the full installations.

I think it would be a lot clearer for the page to be laid out
something like the following:

 [ cut here ] ---

Apache OpenOffice 4.0.0 - Base installation


Please choose one of the following downloads according to your primary
language and the platform on which it will be installed.

If you want to use multiple languages, you can download additional language
packs - see below for details.

TABLE OF FULL INSTALLs
...

Apache OpenOffice 4.0.0 - Additional Language packs
===

The base installation includes a single language (e.g. perhaps you
downloaded the Spanish base installation).

If you want to use multiple languages (e.g. you also want Galician), you can
download the appropriate language pack(s) and add them to the existing
installation.

The language can be changed via the menu Tools - Options - Language Settings -
Languages - User Interface.

Note that language packs are only suitable for a specific version of OpenOffice
(same version and platform) so make sure you choose the correct
platform (and version).

You can add as many additional language packs as you want to the base
installation.

TABLE OF ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE PACKS
...

 [ cut here ] ---


If it is possible to provide a dynamic page, then it might be nice to
determine the platform first (user selected; perhaps with
auto-detected default), and then use the platform to display only the
installation sets and language packs for that platform.

That would avoid problems with people downloading the language pack
for the wrong platform.

I think it would make for a better end-user experience.

 Marcus


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

 From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 

 [..]

Yes, I need a compiled package.

I think I understand correctly, that does not exist?


But to me the answer is not really clear. First, you write:

 No, the CPU architecture does not fit.

And I think that is a strict no, because a CPU is hardware, and hardware is 
unchangeable.

 HOWEVER, it Should Be Technically possibleness to port AIX to AOO


Greetings,
Jörg


P.S.
What was the real reason of my question?
A customer asked me to AOO for IBM AIX.


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?


Am 07/29/2013 09:50 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]



[..]


Yes, I need a compiled package.

I think I understand correctly, that does not exist?


But to me the answer is not really clear. First, you write:


No, the CPU architecture does not fit.


And I think that is a strict no, because a CPU is hardware, and hardware is 
unchangeable.


HOWEVER, it Should Be Technically possibleness to port AIX to AOO


Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and 
compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one 
developer has to port AOO to AIX.


That was the difference I meant between the binaries and the source 
code. I hope it is clearer now.


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Saving time with xls

2013-07-29 Thread Hagar Delest


Hi all,

Has the saving process been changed or is it due to the change in the xls 
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There seem to be some slow down when saving in .xls, see: 
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9t=63170

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Re: [PROPOSAL] New other.html for all possible download links


Am 07/29/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb sebb:

On 29 July 2013 19:27, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:

Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):


Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:


On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:


I've created a new webpage to offer all possible download links for a
release version:
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html



This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online!



see below


It's especially important to have a link to checksums for those who want
a static reference to it or want to verify a package on a different
system than the one used for downloading.



That was one intension, yes.


- all possible downloads for a respective language and OS in a single
place



I foresee another interesting way to use that page, i.e., getting more
localization volunteers. Let's get this version online first, but maybe
we could then add another table with something like The following
languages are released only as source code:, and then a list of each of
the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us release it (in most
cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
but in some cases it might be different).



Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions than one can
thought. But this is no obstacle.


@Andrea:
I've already considered your smaller font size wish for the checksum
links.



Thanks, looks great.



Thanks. :-)

Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but I expect to use
lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan to make it Live
at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time.



As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new other.html in a the
next time.


Sorry, but I find the page hard to use.

Most people will not need any language packs, so why clutter the table
with them?

Also if a user does want to add multiple language packs, it's hard
work finding them amongst all the full installations.

I think it would be a lot clearer for the page to be laid out
something like the following:


This was the old system and the goal was to integrate all files that 
belong to a specific language and platform.


If it's hard to read due to a small font size, this could be changed. 
Otherwise I don't thing that it's too confusing.



 [ cut here ] ---

...

 [ cut here ] ---


If it is possible to provide a dynamic page, then it might be nice to
determine the platform first (user selected; perhaps with
auto-detected default), and then use the platform to display only the
installation sets and language packs for that platform.


The dynamic thing is not to continue the data guessing from the main 
download webpage but to simplify the modification for new releases.


The other.html is a kind of fallback when:

a) the user is not able to use the green box on the previous main 
download webpage.


b) or when he is searching for a build different from the browser's 
language / platform.


As we don't know the reason(s) for a) there shouldn't be any limitations 
to give the user the full control to find what he needs.

And if b) it will help him as well.

The difference of full installations and language packs is described 
directly above the table by your suggestion.



That would avoid problems with people downloading the language pack
for the wrong platform.


Sorry, but this can also happen in the current other.html.


I think it would make for a better end-user experience.


I would say: Let the users decide. :-) If we get a reasonable amount of 
complains then we can go back to different tables.


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

2013-07-29 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and
 compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one developer
 has to port AOO to AIX.

I remember the good old days when AIX sales reps touted its ability to
run Linux apps just a recompile away...

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/software/aix/linux/index.html
The AIX operating system (OS) has a long history of standards
compliance and it is generally straightforward to rebuild Linux
applications for AIX. The AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications
demonstrates the strong affinity between Linux and AIX operating
systems.

Oh well, marketing...
FC
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Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
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Re: [PROPOSAL] New other.html for all possible download links

2013-07-29 Thread sebb

On 29 July 2013 21:12, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 Am 07/29/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb sebb:

 On 29 July 2013 19:27, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:

 Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):


 Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:


 On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:


 I've created a new webpage to offer all possible download links for a
 release version:
 http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html



 This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online!



 see below

 It's especially important to have a link to checksums for those who
 want
 a static reference to it or want to verify a package on a different
 system than the one used for downloading.



 That was one intension, yes.

 - all possible downloads for a respective language and OS in a single
 place



 I foresee another interesting way to use that page, i.e., getting more
 localization volunteers. Let's get this version online first, but maybe
 we could then add another table with something like The following
 languages are released only as source code:, and then a list of each
 of
 the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us release it (in
 most
 cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
 but in some cases it might be different).



 Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions than one can
 thought. But this is no obstacle.

 @Andrea:
 I've already considered your smaller font size wish for the checksum
 links.



 Thanks, looks great.



 Thanks. :-)

 Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but I expect to use
 lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan to make it Live
 at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time.



 As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new other.html in a
 the
 next time.


 Sorry, but I find the page hard to use.

 Most people will not need any language packs, so why clutter the table
 with them?

 Also if a user does want to add multiple language packs, it's hard
 work finding them amongst all the full installations.

 I think it would be a lot clearer for the page to be laid out
 something like the following:


 This was the old system and the goal was to integrate all files that belong
 to a specific language and platform.

I'm not sure that goal is particularly useful to the end-user.

 If it's hard to read due to a small font size, this could be changed.

It's not the font size.

 Otherwise I don't thing that it's too confusing.

Well, you are a developer working on OOo.

I am trying to look at it as a non-developer who wants to download the software.

  [ cut here ] ---


 ...

  [ cut here ] ---


 If it is possible to provide a dynamic page, then it might be nice to
 determine the platform first (user selected; perhaps with
 auto-detected default), and then use the platform to display only the
 installation sets and language packs for that platform.


 The dynamic thing is not to continue the data guessing from the main
 download webpage but to simplify the modification for new releases.

 The other.html is a kind of fallback when:

 a) the user is not able to use the green box on the previous main download
 webpage.

 b) or when he is searching for a build different from the browser's language
 / platform.

AFAICT it's also used when the user wants to add a new language, in
which case they already have the base installation.

 As we don't know the reason(s) for a) there shouldn't be any limitations to
 give the user the full control to find what he needs.

Yes, but that's not relevant to the issue of the page design.

 And if b) it will help him as well.

Which is where the page design is very important.

 The difference of full installations and language packs is described
 directly above the table by your suggestion.

Yes, but I'm afraid I don't find it easy to read.
There's quite a lot of information there which is not particularly
relevant to the end user.

Also the most common use case - downloading a single base installation
and no languag packs - is not actually described.


 That would avoid problems with people downloading the language pack
 for the wrong platform.


 Sorry, but this can also happen in the current other.html.


Of course; I was just making a suggestion to improve the page further.


 I think it would make for a better end-user experience.


 I would say: Let the users decide. :-) If we get a reasonable amount of
 complains then we can go back to different tables.


 Marcus


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

2013-07-29 Thread David Gerard

On 29 July 2013 21:25, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and
 compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one developer
 has to port AOO to AIX.

 I remember the good old days when AIX sales reps touted its ability to
 run Linux apps just a recompile away...


So the very first thing is for someone with an AIX box to try it ;-)


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and
 compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one developer
 has to port AOO to AIX.

 I remember the good old days when AIX sales reps touted its ability to
 run Linux apps just a recompile away...

 http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/software/aix/linux/index.html
 The AIX operating system (OS) has a long history of standards
 compliance and it is generally straightforward to rebuild Linux
 applications for AIX. The AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications
 demonstrates the strong affinity between Linux and AIX operating
 systems.

 Oh well, marketing...

Well, you do start with these libraries already available:

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/software/aix/linux/toolbox/alpha.html

-Rob


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Re: Saving time with xls

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote:
 Hi all,

 Has the saving process been changed or is it due to the change in the xls
 filters?
 There seem to be some slow down when saving in .xls, see:
 http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9t=63170


We're tracking this issue :
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122827

-Rob


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?


 From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 


 Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and 
 compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one 
 developer has to port AOO to AIX.

Just out of interest:

How much work is this? Some man-days or more?

(man-days means the german Manntage)



Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: [DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?

2013-07-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti


Kay Schenk wrote:

http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/
Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with:
Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06
were changed. These changes were  not discussed in advance, nor an issue
submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's decision
to not  veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals


Thank you Kay for the reminder. I added a WARNING.txt file to the 
aoo-working directory to help avoiding changes that have not been 
discussed here first.



So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to have a
changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion before
new commits?


I'd say we don't need it in general; it will be helpful for all 
significant code changes, but surely we don't need it for the website. 
Let's rely on common sense and peer scrutiny.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?


Am 07/29/2013 10:48 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:



From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]




Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and
compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one
developer has to port AOO to AIX.


Just out of interest:

How much work is this? Some man-days or more?

(man-days means the german Manntage)


That I wrote a least one developer was more a joke. Forget days or 
weeks, think in many, many months. And don't forget that this has to be 
tested by the developer first before a QA tester is testing it again. 
This needs also a lot of time. We want to offer quality, won't we? :-)


Marcus


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

On 29 July 2013 23:13, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/29/2013 10:48 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:


  From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]



  Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and
 compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one
 developer has to port AOO to AIX.


 Just out of interest:

 How much work is this? Some man-days or more?

 (man-days means the german Manntage)


 That I wrote a least one developer was more a joke. Forget days or
 weeks, think in many, many months. And don't forget that this has to be
 tested by the developer first before a QA tester is testing it again. This
 needs also a lot of time. We want to offer quality, won't we? :-)


+1, I can only add, that my last port job took 1 manmonth (30manntage) and
was not nearly as big as AOO.

The problem wth aix is  that is tried to cope with all standards at one
time. Just a simple example, you would need to get jre6 and jre7 running in
parallel on a aix box.

The second problem is that the S/390 flavour and the risc flavour of aix
bear the same name, but the kernels are hugely different (just about as
identical as windows8 and macOS), but that is normally something only
developers see.

The S/390 flavour used to support virtualbox and kvm (my info is about 3
years old), and that could be the hero of the day, with vx your would be
able to run eg windows7 and install a normal instance of AOO.

rgds
jan I.




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Re: [DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?

On 29 July 2013 23:05, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

Kay Schenk wrote:

http://www.openoffice.org/**marketing/art/galleries/logos/**aoo-working/http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/
Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with:
Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_**selected_2013-06
were changed. These changes were not discussed in advance, nor an issue
submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's decision
to not veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals

Thank you Kay for the reminder. I added a WARNING.txt file to the
aoo-working directory to help avoiding changes that have not been
discussed here first.

I like the WARNING.txt file, could we agree to use the same file for other
sensible (not sure if that is the right word) areas ? I think of e.g.
release notes.

So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to have a
changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion before
new commits?

I'd say we don't need it in general; it will be helpful for all
significant code changes, but surely we don't need it for the website.
Let's rely on common sense and peer scrutiny.

+1, lets not make it too complicated to work, that said with a smile !! For
significant code changes, a discussion is a must, but I thought it was
already policy ?

rgds
jan I.

Regards,
Andrea.

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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?


Am 07/29/2013 11:56 PM, schrieb janI:

On 29 July 2013 23:13, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:


Am 07/29/2013 10:48 PM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:



  From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]





  Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and

compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one
developer has to port AOO to AIX.



Just out of interest:

How much work is this? Some man-days or more?

(man-days means the german Manntage)



That I wrote a least one developer was more a joke. Forget days or
weeks, think in many, many months. And don't forget that this has to be
tested by the developer first before a QA tester is testing it again. This
needs also a lot of time. We want to offer quality, won't we? :-)



+1, I can only add, that my last port job took 1 manmonth (30manntage) and
was not nearly as big as AOO.

The problem wth aix is  that is tried to cope with all standards at one
time. Just a simple example, you would need to get jre6 and jre7 running in
parallel on a aix box.

The second problem is that the S/390 flavour and the risc flavour of aix
bear the same name, but the kernels are hugely different (just about as
identical as windows8 and macOS), but that is normally something only
developers see.

The S/390 flavour used to support virtualbox and kvm (my info is about 3
years old), and that could be the hero of the day, with vx your would be
able to run eg windows7 and install a normal instance of AOO.


Looks really challenging. Thanks for your little insight.

Marcus


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Re: [PROPOSAL] New other.html for all possible download links


Am 07/29/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb sebb:

On 29 July 2013 21:12, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:

Am 07/29/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb sebb:


On 29 July 2013 19:27, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de   wrote:


Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):



Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:



On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:



I've created a new webpage to offer all possible download links for a
release version:
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html




This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online!




see below


It's especially important to have a link to checksums for those who
want
a static reference to it or want to verify a package on a different
system than the one used for downloading.




That was one intension, yes.


- all possible downloads for a respective language and OS in a single
place




I foresee another interesting way to use that page, i.e., getting more
localization volunteers. Let's get this version online first, but maybe
we could then add another table with something like The following
languages are released only as source code:, and then a list of each
of
the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us release it (in
most
cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
but in some cases it might be different).




Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions than one can
thought. But this is no obstacle.


@Andrea:
I've already considered your smaller font size wish for the checksum
links.




Thanks, looks great.




Thanks. :-)

Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but I expect to use
lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan to make it Live
at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time.




As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new other.html in a
the
next time.



Sorry, but I find the page hard to use.

Most people will not need any language packs, so why clutter the table
with them?

Also if a user does want to add multiple language packs, it's hard
work finding them amongst all the full installations.

I think it would be a lot clearer for the page to be laid out
something like the following:



This was the old system and the goal was to integrate all files that belong
to a specific language and platform.


I'm not sure that goal is particularly useful to the end-user.


If it's hard to read due to a small font size, this could be changed.


It's not the font size.


Otherwise I don't thing that it's too confusing.


Well, you are a developer working on OOo.


Only for the website, not for the source code. But maybe this is no 
longer relevant as I do this already for years.



I am trying to look at it as a non-developer who wants to download the software.


 [ cut here ] ---


...

 [ cut here ] ---


If it is possible to provide a dynamic page, then it might be nice to
determine the platform first (user selected; perhaps with
auto-detected default), and then use the platform to display only the
installation sets and language packs for that platform.



The dynamic thing is not to continue the data guessing from the main
download webpage but to simplify the modification for new releases.

The other.html is a kind of fallback when:

a) the user is not able to use the green box on the previous main download
webpage.

b) or when he is searching for a build different from the browser's language
/ platform.


AFAICT it's also used when the user wants to add a new language, in
which case they already have the base installation.


Yes, and there are maybe some more possibilities.


As we don't know the reason(s) for a) there shouldn't be any limitations to
give the user the full control to find what he needs.


Yes, but that's not relevant to the issue of the page design.


And if b) it will help him as well.


Which is where the page design is very important.


The difference of full installations and language packs is described
directly above the table by your suggestion.


Yes, but I'm afraid I don't find it easy to read.
There's quite a lot of information there which is not particularly
relevant to the end user.

Also the most common use case - downloading a single base installation
and no languag packs - is not actually described.


If you think that the text can be better, then please tell me. Based on 
Apache's famous slogan: Patches are welcome. :-)



That would avoid problems with people downloading the language pack
for the wrong platform.



Sorry, but this can also happen in the current other.html.



Of course; I was just making a suggestion to improve the page further.


Yes, that's great. However, I'm missing arguments that the new layout is 
more confusing than the current one. Maybe you can help here to give us 
some use cases?



I think it would make for a better end-user experience.



I would say: Let the users decide. :-) If we get a reasonable amount of
complains then we

Re: [CMS PATCH] Asturian language

This one in now in staging:

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/ast/download/

please verify. It worked ok on my local build. Checked in via manual svn.

It may get published by someone else depending on web site updates at the
moment.

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Anonymous CMS User anonym...@apache.orgwrote:

 Clone URL (Committers only):

 https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/ast%2Fdownload%2Findex.html

 Please, review the Download page for Asturian.

 Regards
 --
 Xuacu Saturio

 Index: trunk/content/ast/download/index.html
 ===
 --- trunk/content/ast/download/index.html   (revision 1507827)
 +++ trunk/content/ast/download/index.html   (working copy)
 @@ -1,8 +1,8 @@
  !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
 -html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; /
 +html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; lang=ast /
  head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
 -  titleApache OpenOffice Downloads - Official Site/title
 +  titleDescargues d'Apache OpenOffice - Sitiu oficial/title
script type=text/javascript src=/download/globalvars.js/script
script type=text/javascript src=/download/download.js/script
script type=text/javascript src=/download/languages.js/script
 @@ -20,15 +20,15 @@

  function shareFacebook() {
_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','social', 'shareDownload', 'facebook']);
 -  window.open('
 https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2F
 ','_blank','toolbar=0,status=0,width=580,height=325');
 +  window.open('
 https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fast%2Fdownload%2F
 ','_blank','toolbar=0,status=0,width=580,height=325');
  }
  function shareTwitter(){
_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','social', 'shareDownload', 'twitter']);
 -  window.open('
 https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Ftext=Join+the+OpenOffice+revolution%2C+the+free+office+productivity+suite+with+over+50+million+trusted+downloads.hashtags=openoffice
 ','_blank','toolbar=0,status=0,width=580,height=325');
 +  window.open('
 https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fast%2Fdownload%2Ftext=Participa+na+revoluci%F3n+OpenOffice%2C+les+aplicaciones+llibres+pa+oficina+con+m%E1s+de+50+millones+de+descargues.hashtags=openoffice
 ','_blank','toolbar=0,status=0,width=580,height=325');
  }
  function shareGooglePlus(){
_gaq.push(['_trackEvent','social', 'shareDownload', 'google+']);
 -  window.open('
 https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2F
 ','_blank','toolbar=0,status=0,width=580,height=325');
 +  window.open('
 https://plus.google.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fast%2Fdownload%2F
 ','_blank','toolbar=0,status=0,width=580,height=325');
  }
/script
  /head
 @@ -51,48 +51,48 @@
// OS and/or package manager was not recognized, therefore use
 other.html as download link.
document.write( div class=\first button green\
 id=\optionitem1\ onclick=\openItem('optionitem1','
+ LINK + '); + return false;\ );
 -  document.write( h2a href=' + LINK + ' title=' + LINK +
 'Download Apache OpenOffice  + VERSION + /a/h2
 -  + pa href=' + LINK + ' title=' + LINK + 'Click here for
 the most recent version for 
 -  + b + UI_PLATFORM + /b and b + LANG_ARRAY[ 2 ] +
 /b./a/pbr /);
 +  document.write( h2a href=' + LINK + ' title=' + LINK +
 'Descargar Apache OpenOffice  + VERSION + /a/h2
 +  + pa href=' + LINK + ' title=' + LINK + 'Calque equí pa la
 versión más nueva pa 
 +  + b + UI_PLATFORM + /b y b + LANG_ARRAY[ 2 ] +
 /b./a/pbr /);
  } else {
  */
// Download directly from a mirror with displayed platform and
 language.
document.write( div class=\first button green\
 id=\optionitem1\ onclick=\openItem('optionitem1','
+ LINK + '); + return false;\ );
document.write( h2a href=' + LINK + ' title='Version  +
 VERSION +  - Milestone  + MILESTONE
 -  +  - Build ID  + BUILD +  - SVN  + SVN_REV + 'Download Apache
 OpenOffice  + VERSION + /a/h2
 +  +  - Build ID  + BUILD +  - SVN  + SVN_REV + 'Descargar
 Apache OpenOffice  + VERSION + /a/h2
+ pa href=' + LINK + ' title='Version  + VERSION +  -
 Milestone  + MILESTONE
 -  +  - Build ID  + BUILD +  - SVN  + SVN_REV + 'Click here for
 the most recent version for 
 -  + b + UI_PLATFORM + /b and b + LANG_ARRAY[ 2 ] +
 /b./a/p);
 +  +  - Build ID  + BUILD +  - SVN  + SVN_REV + 'Calque equí pa
 la versión más nueva pa 
 +  + b + UI_PLATFORM + /b y b + LANG_ARRAY[ 2 ] +
 /b./a/p);
  //  }
} else {
  // Download from an alternative webpage if hasMirrorLink() == false.
  document.write( div class=\first

Re: [PROPOSAL] New other.html for all possible download links

On 30 July 2013 00:16, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/29/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb sebb:

 On 29 July 2013 21:12, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:

 Am 07/29/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb sebb:

  On 29 July 2013 19:27, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de   wrote:


 Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):



 Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:



 On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:



 I've created a new webpage to offer all possible download links for
 a
 release version:
 http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
 other_tables.htmlhttp://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html




 This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online!




 see below

  It's especially important to have a link to checksums for those who
 want
 a static reference to it or want to verify a package on a different
 system than the one used for downloading.




 That was one intension, yes.

  - all possible downloads for a respective language and OS in a single
 place




 I foresee another interesting way to use that page, i.e., getting
 more
 localization volunteers. Let's get this version online first, but
 maybe
 we could then add another table with something like The following
 languages are released only as source code:, and then a list of each
 of
 the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us release it (in
 most
 cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/**
 translate.html http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
 but in some cases it might be different).




 Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions than one can
 thought. But this is no obstacle.

  @Andrea:
 I've already considered your smaller font size wish for the checksum
 links.




 Thanks, looks great.




 Thanks. :-)

 Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but I expect to
 use
 lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan to make it Live
 at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time.




 As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new other.html in a
 the
 next time.



 Sorry, but I find the page hard to use.

 Most people will not need any language packs, so why clutter the table
 with them?

 Also if a user does want to add multiple language packs, it's hard
 work finding them amongst all the full installations.

 I think it would be a lot clearer for the page to be laid out
 something like the following:



 This was the old system and the goal was to integrate all files that
 belong
 to a specific language and platform.


 I'm not sure that goal is particularly useful to the end-user.

  If it's hard to read due to a small font size, this could be changed.


 It's not the font size.

  Otherwise I don't thing that it's too confusing.


 Well, you are a developer working on OOo.


 Only for the website, not for the source code. But maybe this is no longer
 relevant as I do this already for years.

  I am trying to look at it as a non-developer who wants to download the
 software.

   [ cut here ] ---


 ...

  [ cut here ] ---


 If it is possible to provide a dynamic page, then it might be nice to
 determine the platform first (user selected; perhaps with
 auto-detected default), and then use the platform to display only the
 installation sets and language packs for that platform.



 The dynamic thing is not to continue the data guessing from the main
 download webpage but to simplify the modification for new releases.

 The other.html is a kind of fallback when:

 a) the user is not able to use the green box on the previous main
 download
 webpage.

 b) or when he is searching for a build different from the browser's
 language
 / platform.


 AFAICT it's also used when the user wants to add a new language, in
 which case they already have the base installation.


 Yes, and there are maybe some more possibilities.

  As we don't know the reason(s) for a) there shouldn't be any limitations
 to
 give the user the full control to find what he needs.


 Yes, but that's not relevant to the issue of the page design.

  And if b) it will help him as well.


 Which is where the page design is very important.

  The difference of full installations and language packs is described
 directly above the table by your suggestion.


 Yes, but I'm afraid I don't find it easy to read.
 There's quite a lot of information there which is not particularly
 relevant to the end user.

 Also the most common use case - downloading a single base installation
 and no languag packs - is not actually described.


 If you think that the text can be better, then please tell me. Based on
 Apache's famous slogan: Patches are welcome. :-)

  That would avoid problems with people downloading the language pack
 for the wrong platform.



 Sorry, but this can also happen in the current other.html.


 Of course; I was just making a suggestion to improve the page further.


 Yes, that's great. However, I'm

Re: [CMS PATCH] Asturian language

I had some problems manually applying this patch to test. This could be due
to other changes recently done on the same date.

So these changes may need to be redone.  No work done on this one yet.


2013/7/28 Anonymous CMS User anonym...@apache.org

 Clone URL (Committers only):

 https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/ast%2Findex.html

 Asturian main page reworked from English main page. Please, review it,
 because I'm not quite confident that I haven't made some kind of mistake.

 Regards
 --
 Xuacu Saturio

 Index: trunk/content/ast/index.html
 ===
 --- trunk/content/ast/index.html(revision 1490882)
 +++ trunk/content/ast/index.html(working copy)
 @@ -1,213 +1,143 @@
  !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//AST 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
 -html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; lang=asthead
 -
 -
 -
 -
 +html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; lang=ast
 +head

 -
 -
 -  titleOpenOffice - La office llibre n'asturianu/title
 +  meta name=description content=La páxina web oficial del proyeutu de
 códigu abiertu Apache OpenOffice, con OpenOffice Writer, Calc, Impress,
 Draw y Base./
 +  meta name=keywords content=OpenOffice, Open Office, Apache
 OpenOffice, Apache Open Office, OpenOffice.org, Calc, Impress, Draw, Base,
 ODF, Open Document Format, free office editors, editores office llibres,
 asturianu, llingua asturiana/
 +  meta name=google-site-verification
 content=x1jl2cGum4kCvj0PgxjTy_pasCsLY_fBT7my88fpKD4 /
 +  meta name=p:domain_verify
 content=bd1ba1fb9d25b0eb3d64891f89e9195e/
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8/
 -  meta name=keywords content=OpenOffice, n'asturianu, bable,
 asturiano, llingua asturiana, OpenOffice.org, Open Office, openoffice,
 StarOffice, Star Office, OOo/
 -  meta name=description content=OpenOffice - La suite ofimática
 llibre/
 -  link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=estils/style.css
 media=screen/
 -  link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=estils/print.css
 media=print/
 -  link rel=icon type=image/x-icon href=
 http://www.openoffice.org/branding/images/favicon.ico/
 -  link rel=shortcut icon type=image/x-icon href=
 http://www.openoffice.org/branding/images/favicon.ico/
 -  link rel=alternate href=
 http://planet.services.openoffice.org/atom.xml; title=
 type=application/atom+xml/
 +  link href=https://plus.google.com/+openoffice; rel=publisher /
 +  link rel=STYLESHEET type=text/css href=/product/product.css
 media=screen /
 +  titleApache OpenOffice - Aplicaciones de productividá llibres y
 abiertes n'asturianu/title
 +style type=text/css
 +/* ![CDATA[ */
 +/* Exceptions on standard css
 ---*/
 +@import home.css;
 +@import styles.css;
 +@import exceptions.css;
 +/* ]] */
 +/style

 +script
 +   function follow(platform) {
 +   _gaq.push(['_trackEvent','social', 'followUs', platform]);
 +   if (platform == 'Facebook') {
 +   window.open(https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO
 ,_blank);
 +   } else if (platform == 'Twitter') {
 +   window.open(https://twitter.com/ApacheOO
 ,_blank);
 +   } else if (platform == 'GooglePlus') {
 +   window.open(https://plus.google.com/+openoffice
 ,_blank);
 +   }  else if (platform == 'ApacheBlog') {
 +   window.open(https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/
 ,_blank);
 +   }
 +   }
 +/script
 +
 +/head

 +body


 -
 -
 -link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=estils/home.css
 media=screen/
 -
 -script type=text/javascript src=js/languages.js/script
 -script type=text/javascript src=js/download.js/script
 -
 -script type=text/javascript
 -
 -!--
 -
 -var VERSION = 3.1.0;
 -
 -var SHOWDOWNLOAD = false;
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -function toggleDownload() {
 -
 -  if (!SHOWDOWNLOAD) {
 -
 -SHOWDOWNLOAD = true;
 -
 -showDownload();
 -
 -  } else {
 -
 -SHOWDOWNLOAD = false;
 -
 -hideDownload();
 -
 -  }
 -
 -}
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -function showDownload() {
 -
 -  var downloadCont = document.getElementById(action-download-extra);
 -
 -  var newHTML = div id=\buttonwrap\div id=\downloadbutton\
 onclick=\openItem('optionitem1',' + getLink( VERSION ) + ');return
 false;\;
 -
 -
 -
 -  if ( hasBouncerLink() ) {
 -
 -newHTML += h3a href='+ getLink( VERSION ) + 'Download
 now!/a/h3pStart downloading OpenOffice.org  + VERSION +  for  +
 getPlatform() +  in  + getLanguage() + br/(Java runtime, JRE, included
 for all OS versions except Linux Deb and Mac)/p;
 -
 -  } else {
 -
 -newHTML += h3a href='+ getLink( VERSION ) + 'Download
 now!/a/h3pOpenOffice.org  + VERSION +  for  + getPlatform() +  (
 + getLanguage() + )/p;
 -
 -  }
 -
 -
 -
 -  newHTML += /divp class=\options\Get a title=\get other
 laguages,

Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?


Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the list I
get this message:


Not Found

The requested URL
/ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/content/ast/index.html
was not found on this server.

I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit other
pages.   Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as well.

Anyone else seeing this?


Now it's me who is getting this error.

Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-)

Marcus


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Re: [PROPOSAL] New other.html for all possible download links

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:21 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 30 July 2013 00:16, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

  Am 07/29/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb sebb:
 
  On 29 July 2013 21:12, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:
 
  Am 07/29/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb sebb:
 
   On 29 July 2013 19:27, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de   wrote:
 
 
  Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
 
 
 
  Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
 
 
 
  On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:
 
 
 
  I've created a new webpage to offer all possible download links
 for
  a
  release version:
  http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
  other_tables.html
 http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html
 
 
 
 
  This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online!
 
 
 
 
  see below
 
   It's especially important to have a link to checksums for those who
  want
  a static reference to it or want to verify a package on a
 different
  system than the one used for downloading.
 
 
 
 
  That was one intension, yes.
 
   - all possible downloads for a respective language and OS in a
 single
  place
 
 
 
 
  I foresee another interesting way to use that page, i.e., getting
  more
  localization volunteers. Let's get this version online first, but
  maybe
  we could then add another table with something like The following
  languages are released only as source code:, and then a list of
 each
  of
  the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us release it (in
  most
  cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/**
  translate.html http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
  but in some cases it might be different).
 
 
 
 
  Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions than one can
  thought. But this is no obstacle.
 
   @Andrea:
  I've already considered your smaller font size wish for the
 checksum
  links.
 
 
 
 
  Thanks, looks great.
 
 
 
 
  Thanks. :-)
 
  Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but I expect to
  use
  lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan to make it
 Live
  at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time.
 
 
 
 
  As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new other.html in
 a
  the
  next time.
 
 
 
  Sorry, but I find the page hard to use.
 
  Most people will not need any language packs, so why clutter the table
  with them?
 
  Also if a user does want to add multiple language packs, it's hard
  work finding them amongst all the full installations.
 
  I think it would be a lot clearer for the page to be laid out
  something like the following:
 
 
 
  This was the old system and the goal was to integrate all files that
  belong
  to a specific language and platform.
 
 
  I'm not sure that goal is particularly useful to the end-user.
 
   If it's hard to read due to a small font size, this could be changed.
 
 
  It's not the font size.
 
   Otherwise I don't thing that it's too confusing.
 
 
  Well, you are a developer working on OOo.
 
 
  Only for the website, not for the source code. But maybe this is no
 longer
  relevant as I do this already for years.
 
   I am trying to look at it as a non-developer who wants to download the
  software.
 
    [ cut here ] ---
 
 
  ...
 
   [ cut here ] ---
 
 
  If it is possible to provide a dynamic page, then it might be nice to
  determine the platform first (user selected; perhaps with
  auto-detected default), and then use the platform to display only the
  installation sets and language packs for that platform.
 
 
 
  The dynamic thing is not to continue the data guessing from the main
  download webpage but to simplify the modification for new releases.
 
  The other.html is a kind of fallback when:
 
  a) the user is not able to use the green box on the previous main
  download
  webpage.
 
  b) or when he is searching for a build different from the browser's
  language
  / platform.
 
 
  AFAICT it's also used when the user wants to add a new language, in
  which case they already have the base installation.
 
 
  Yes, and there are maybe some more possibilities.
 
   As we don't know the reason(s) for a) there shouldn't be any limitations
  to
  give the user the full control to find what he needs.
 
 
  Yes, but that's not relevant to the issue of the page design.
 
   And if b) it will help him as well.
 
 
  Which is where the page design is very important.
 
   The difference of full installations and language packs is described
  directly above the table by your suggestion.
 
 
  Yes, but I'm afraid I don't find it easy to read.
  There's quite a lot of information there which is not particularly
  relevant to the end user.
 
  Also the most common use case - downloading a single base installation
  and no languag packs - is not actually described.
 
 
  If you think that the text can be better, then please tell me. Based on
  Apache's famous slogan: Patches are welcome. :-)

Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

2013-07-29 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Looks really challenging. Thanks for your little insight.

 Marcus

I suggest you guys ask the IBMers who did the Aix Toolbox project
http://sourceforge.net/projects/aixtoolbox/ . They have a mailing list
@ sourceforge (but no files hosted there)
http://sourceforge.net/p/aixtoolbox/mailman/aixtoolbox-list/ which
shows most activity sems to have dried up by mid-2009

This thread is particularly insightful
http://sourceforge.net/p/aixtoolbox/mailman/aixtoolbox-list/?viewmonth=200906

Once upon a time IBM had a nice intranet... where IBMers of one
product group could request help to other groups...
Maybe Rob Weir could find someone from the AIX group willing to help?
Just thinking aloud..

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Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
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Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

 For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the list I
 get this message:


 Not Found

 The requested URL
 /ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-**anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/**
 content/ast/index.html
 was not found on this server.

 I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit other
 pages.   Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as well.

 Anyone else seeing this?


 Now it's me who is getting this error.

 Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-)

 Marcus


I'm getting this error too now. So, I'm doing changes via local command
line at the moment.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] New other.html for all possible download links

2013-07-29 Thread Ricardo Berlasso

2013/7/30 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com

 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:21 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

  On 30 July 2013 00:16, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 
   Am 07/29/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb sebb:
  
   On 29 July 2013 21:12, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de  wrote:
  
   Am 07/29/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb sebb:
  
On 29 July 2013 19:27, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de   wrote:
  
  
   Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
  
  
  
   Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
  
  
  
   On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:
  
  
  
   I've created a new webpage to offer all possible download links
  for
   a
   release version:
   http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
   other_tables.html
  http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html
  
  
  
  
   This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online!
  
  
  
  
   see below
  
It's especially important to have a link to checksums for those
 who
   want
   a static reference to it or want to verify a package on a
  different
   system than the one used for downloading.
  
  
  
  
   That was one intension, yes.
  
- all possible downloads for a respective language and OS in a
  single
   place
  
  
  
  
   I foresee another interesting way to use that page, i.e., getting
   more
   localization volunteers. Let's get this version online first, but
   maybe
   we could then add another table with something like The
 following
   languages are released only as source code:, and then a list of
  each
   of
   the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us release it
 (in
   most
   cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/**
   translate.html http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html
   but in some cases it might be different).
  
  
  
  
   Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions than one
 can
   thought. But this is no obstacle.
  
@Andrea:
   I've already considered your smaller font size wish for the
  checksum
   links.
  
  
  
  
   Thanks, looks great.
  
  
  
  
   Thanks. :-)
  
   Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but I expect
 to
   use
   lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan to make it
  Live
   at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time.
  
  
  
  
   As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new other.html
 in
  a
   the
   next time.
  
  
  
   Sorry, but I find the page hard to use.
  
   Most people will not need any language packs, so why clutter the
 table
   with them?
  
   Also if a user does want to add multiple language packs, it's hard
   work finding them amongst all the full installations.
  
   I think it would be a lot clearer for the page to be laid out
   something like the following:
  
  
  
   This was the old system and the goal was to integrate all files that
   belong
   to a specific language and platform.
  
  
   I'm not sure that goal is particularly useful to the end-user.
  
If it's hard to read due to a small font size, this could be changed.
  
  
   It's not the font size.
  
Otherwise I don't thing that it's too confusing.
  
  
   Well, you are a developer working on OOo.
  
  
   Only for the website, not for the source code. But maybe this is no
  longer
   relevant as I do this already for years.
  
I am trying to look at it as a non-developer who wants to download the
   software.
  
 [ cut here ] ---
  
  
   ...
  
    [ cut here ] ---
  
  
   If it is possible to provide a dynamic page, then it might be nice
 to
   determine the platform first (user selected; perhaps with
   auto-detected default), and then use the platform to display only
 the
   installation sets and language packs for that platform.
  
  
  
   The dynamic thing is not to continue the data guessing from the main
   download webpage but to simplify the modification for new releases.
  
   The other.html is a kind of fallback when:
  
   a) the user is not able to use the green box on the previous main
   download
   webpage.
  
   b) or when he is searching for a build different from the browser's
   language
   / platform.
  
  
   AFAICT it's also used when the user wants to add a new language, in
   which case they already have the base installation.
  
  
   Yes, and there are maybe some more possibilities.
  
As we don't know the reason(s) for a) there shouldn't be any
 limitations
   to
   give the user the full control to find what he needs.
  
  
   Yes, but that's not relevant to the issue of the page design.
  
And if b) it will help him as well.
  
  
   Which is where the page design is very important.
  
The difference of full installations and language packs is described
   directly above the table by your suggestion.
  
  
   Yes, but I'm afraid I don't find it easy to read.
   There's quite a lot of information there which is not particularly
   relevant to the end user.

Re: AOO -- should we submit a new acronym?

On 30 July 2013 00:30, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/AOO


YES, +1. AOO should be established (can you do it ?)

rgds
jan I.


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Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

 For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the list I
 get this message:


 Not Found

 The requested URL
 /ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-**anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/**
 content/ast/index.html
 was not found on this server.

 I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit other
 pages.   Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as well.

 Anyone else seeing this?


 Now it's me who is getting this error.

 Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-)

 Marcus


 I'm getting this error too now. So, I'm doing changes via local command
 line at the moment.


I raised this on the Infra list.  Tony had me try something that
worked, resetting the working copy via the CMS:

https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=1;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org

It worked for me.

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Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?

On 30 July 2013 00:34, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
 wrote:
 
  Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
 
  For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the list I
  get this message:
 
 
  Not Found
 
  The requested URL
  /ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-**anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/**
  content/ast/index.html
  was not found on this server.
 
  I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit other
  pages.   Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as well.
 
  Anyone else seeing this?
 
 
  Now it's me who is getting this error.
 
  Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-)
 
  Marcus
 
 
  I'm getting this error too now. So, I'm doing changes via local command
  line at the moment.
 

 I raised this on the Infra list.  Tony had me try something that
 worked, resetting the working copy via the CMS:

 https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=1;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org

 It worked for me.


yah. PCtony gives good advice.

I hope everyone is aware of the ongoing effort to move from roller to WP,
if anybody has strong opinions it would to advantageous  to raise it on
nfrastruct...@apache.org

I personally only have a question about security, how to avoid that anybody
publishes a blog that has not been reveiewed.

rgds
jan I.


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Re: AOO -- should we submit a new acronym?

2013-07-29 Thread Marco A.G.Pinto


  
  
On 29/07/2013 23:30, Kay Schenk wrote:


  http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/AOO



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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

On 30 July 2013 00:26, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
 wrote:

  Looks really challenging. Thanks for your little insight.
 
  Marcus

 I suggest you guys ask the IBMers who did the Aix Toolbox project
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/aixtoolbox/ . They have a mailing list
 @ sourceforge (but no files hosted there)
 http://sourceforge.net/p/aixtoolbox/mailman/aixtoolbox-list/ which
 shows most activity sems to have dried up by mid-2009

 This thread is particularly insightful

 http://sourceforge.net/p/aixtoolbox/mailman/aixtoolbox-list/?viewmonth=200906

 Once upon a time IBM had a nice intranet... where IBMers of one
 product group could request help to other groups...
 Maybe Rob Weir could find someone from the AIX group willing to help?
 Just thinking aloud..


Keep thinking aloud, and you will find everybody listening. Good ideas, I
used to be close to the aix groups, but they seem to have been dissolved
early 2010, maybe one of the IBMers can provide some inside info ?

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Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:39 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
 On 30 July 2013 00:34, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
 wrote:
 
  Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
 
  For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the list I
  get this message:
 
 
  Not Found
 
  The requested URL
  /ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-**anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/**
  content/ast/index.html
  was not found on this server.
 
  I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit other
  pages.   Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as well.
 
  Anyone else seeing this?
 
 
  Now it's me who is getting this error.
 
  Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-)
 
  Marcus
 
 
  I'm getting this error too now. So, I'm doing changes via local command
  line at the moment.
 

 I raised this on the Infra list.  Tony had me try something that
 worked, resetting the working copy via the CMS:

 https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=1;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org

 It worked for me.


 yah. PCtony gives good advice.

 I hope everyone is aware of the ongoing effort to move from roller to WP,
 if anybody has strong opinions it would to advantageous  to raise it on
 nfrastruct...@apache.org

 I personally only have a question about security, how to avoid that anybody
 publishes a blog that has not been reveiewed.


Simple:  only allow committers to publish posts.  This reduces the
problem to one of only voting in committers we trust ;-)

I don't think we need a formal workflow for this.   And in fact there
are some good grammar proofing plugins for WordPress.  I use one on my
personal blog and that way I avoid the kinds of errors I make in 1st
drafts that I review at Apache.

-Rob


 rgds
 jan I.


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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

 From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 

 That I wrote a least one developer was more a joke. Forget days or 
 weeks, think in many, many months. 

My question referred to it, that's my client is a company and wants a statement 
from me. I should have guessed that they would be willing to pay some man-days, 
but certainly not months.

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Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?

On 30 July 2013 01:01, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:39 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
  On 30 July 2013 00:34, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
  wrote:
  
   Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
  
   For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the
 list I
   get this message:
  
  
   Not Found
  
   The requested URL
   /ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-**anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/**
   content/ast/index.html
   was not found on this server.
  
   I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit other
   pages.   Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as well.
  
   Anyone else seeing this?
  
  
   Now it's me who is getting this error.
  
   Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-)
  
   Marcus
  
  
   I'm getting this error too now. So, I'm doing changes via local
 command
   line at the moment.
  
 
  I raised this on the Infra list.  Tony had me try something that
  worked, resetting the working copy via the CMS:
 
  https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=1;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org
 
  It worked for me.
 
 
  yah. PCtony gives good advice.
 
  I hope everyone is aware of the ongoing effort to move from roller to WP,
  if anybody has strong opinions it would to advantageous  to raise it on
  nfrastruct...@apache.org
 
  I personally only have a question about security, how to avoid that
 anybody
  publishes a blog that has not been reveiewed.
 

 Simple:  only allow committers to publish posts.  This reduces the
 problem to one of only voting in committers we trust ;-)

 I don't think we need a formal workflow for this.   And in fact there
 are some good grammar proofing plugins for WordPress.  I use one on my
 personal blog and that way I avoid the kinds of errors I make in 1st
 drafts that I review at Apache.


your knowledge could be helping us all build a better product, would you
mind reposting on infrastructure@a.o with the specifics, I am sure pctony
will be listening.

I have some personal experience with WP (free edition) myself, and like the
setup.

rgds
jan I.



 -Rob


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Re: [CMS PATCH] Asturian language

2013-07-29 Thread Xuacu

Hi Kay, all

I've been browsing the download page in the staging site and it all
works as expected, except for Install Guides link. I was about to
change such link but, in a second thought, perhaps it's not a bad
thing to have such guides translated.

So we have two options: change he link to Install Guides in English
before publishing the page, or hold it (one or two days) until
translation is done.

Regards
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Xuacu

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had some problems manually applying this patch to test. This could be due
 to other changes recently done on the same date.

 So these changes may need to be redone.  No work done on this one yet.



 2013/7/28 Anonymous CMS User anonym...@apache.org

 Clone URL (Committers only):

 https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/ast%2Findex.html

 Asturian main page reworked from English main page. Please, review it,
 because I'm not quite confident that I haven't made some kind of mistake.

 Regards
 --
 Xuacu Saturio

 Index: trunk/content/ast/index.html
 ===
 --- trunk/content/ast/index.html(revision 1490882)
 +++ trunk/content/ast/index.html(working copy)
 @@ -1,213 +1,143 @@
  !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//AST
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
 -html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; lang=asthead
 -
 -
 -
 -
 +html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; lang=ast
 +head

 -
 -
 -  titleOpenOffice - La office llibre n'asturianu/title
 +  meta name=description content=La páxina web oficial del proyeutu de
 códigu abiertu Apache OpenOffice, con OpenOffice Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw
 y Base./
 +  meta name=keywords content=OpenOffice, Open Office, Apache
 OpenOffice, Apache Open Office, OpenOffice.org, Calc, Impress, Draw, Base,
 ODF, Open Document Format, free office editors, editores office llibres,
 asturianu, llingua asturiana/
 +  meta name=google-site-verification
 content=x1jl2cGum4kCvj0PgxjTy_pasCsLY_fBT7my88fpKD4 /
 +  meta name=p:domain_verify
 content=bd1ba1fb9d25b0eb3d64891f89e9195e/
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8/
 -  meta name=keywords content=OpenOffice, n'asturianu, bable,
 asturiano, llingua asturiana, OpenOffice.org, Open Office, openoffice,
 StarOffice, Star Office, OOo/
 -  meta name=description content=OpenOffice - La suite ofimática
 llibre/
 -  link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=estils/style.css
 media=screen/
 -  link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=estils/print.css
 media=print/
 -  link rel=icon type=image/x-icon
 href=http://www.openoffice.org/branding/images/favicon.ico/
 -  link rel=shortcut icon type=image/x-icon
 href=http://www.openoffice.org/branding/images/favicon.ico/
 -  link rel=alternate
 href=http://planet.services.openoffice.org/atom.xml; title=
 type=application/atom+xml/
 +  link href=https://plus.google.com/+openoffice; rel=publisher /
 +  link rel=STYLESHEET type=text/css href=/product/product.css
 media=screen /
 +  titleApache OpenOffice - Aplicaciones de productividá llibres y
 abiertes n'asturianu/title
 +style type=text/css
 +/* ![CDATA[ */
 +/* Exceptions on standard css
 ---*/
 +@import home.css;
 +@import styles.css;
 +@import exceptions.css;
 +/* ]] */
 +/style

 +script
 +   function follow(platform) {
 +   _gaq.push(['_trackEvent','social', 'followUs', platform]);
 +   if (platform == 'Facebook') {
 +
 window.open(https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO,_blank;);
 +   } else if (platform == 'Twitter') {
 +
 window.open(https://twitter.com/ApacheOO,_blank;);
 +   } else if (platform == 'GooglePlus') {
 +
 window.open(https://plus.google.com/+openoffice,_blank;);
 +   }  else if (platform == 'ApacheBlog') {
 +
 window.open(https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/,_blank;);
 +   }
 +   }
 +/script
 +
 +/head

 +body


 -
 -
 -link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=estils/home.css
 media=screen/
 -
 -script type=text/javascript src=js/languages.js/script
 -script type=text/javascript src=js/download.js/script
 -
 -script type=text/javascript
 -
 -!--
 -
 -var VERSION = 3.1.0;
 -
 -var SHOWDOWNLOAD = false;
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -function toggleDownload() {
 -
 -  if (!SHOWDOWNLOAD) {
 -
 -SHOWDOWNLOAD = true;
 -
 -showDownload();
 -
 -  } else {
 -
 -SHOWDOWNLOAD = false;
 -
 -hideDownload();
 -
 -  }
 -
 -}
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -function showDownload() {
 -
 -  var downloadCont = document.getElementById(action-download-extra);
 -
 -  var newHTML = div id=\buttonwrap\div id=\downloadbutton\
 onclick=\openItem('optionitem1',' + getLink( VERSION ) + ');return
 false;\;
 -
 -
 -
 -  if ( hasBouncerLink() ) {
 -
 -newHTML += h3a href='+ getLink( VERSION ) + 'Download
 now!/a/h3pStart downloading OpenOffice.org

Re: AOO -- should we submit a new acronym?

2013-07-29 Thread Peter Junge


On 7/30/2013 6:30 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/AOO



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[CMS PATCH] New directory

2013-07-29 Thread Anonymous CMS User

Clone URL (Committers only):
https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/ast%2Fdownload%2Fcommon%2F

New directory to hold Install Guides

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Re: AOO -- should we submit a new acronym?

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 On 7/30/2013 6:30 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:

 http://acronyms.**thefreedictionary.com/AOOhttp://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/AOO


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Re: [CMS PATCH] New directory

This directory is added but we may need to publish to access it further
with CMS.

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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Looks really challenging. Thanks for your little insight.

 Marcus

 I suggest you guys ask the IBMers who did the Aix Toolbox project
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/aixtoolbox/ . They have a mailing list
 @ sourceforge (but no files hosted there)
 http://sourceforge.net/p/aixtoolbox/mailman/aixtoolbox-list/ which
 shows most activity sems to have dried up by mid-2009

 This thread is particularly insightful
 http://sourceforge.net/p/aixtoolbox/mailman/aixtoolbox-list/?viewmonth=200906

 Once upon a time IBM had a nice intranet... where IBMers of one
 product group could request help to other groups...
 Maybe Rob Weir could find someone from the AIX group willing to help?
 Just thinking aloud..


IBM is a big company, and I don't have regular context with any AIX
people right now.  I did a decade ago when I was working on C++ port
of Apache Xalan, the XSLT processor.  Getting it to work on AIX was a
key requirement.  Of course, that was quite a while ago.  But I can
ask around to see if anyone is interested and AOO port.

As others are saying, this is a big task for one person, but there is
sufficient interest, of the kind that leads to more developer
volunteers, then anything is possible.

-Rob


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Feature suggestion for AOO 4.x

2013-07-29 Thread Marco A.G.Pinto


  
  
Hello!!!

I mentioned this months ago. There is a need for a button to change
the font (uppercase, Capitalize, etc) like Microsoft Office 2010
has.

I tried to add it to AOO 4.0, by looking all over the options,
without success and I guess it should appear as default since it is
very useful.

Please see the screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/csJy8A0.png

Thanks!

Kind regards,
 Marco A.G.Pinto
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Re: [CMS PATCH] New directory

2013-07-29 Thread Xuacu

Thank you.
Now I'm translating instructions.html to Asturian so we have at least
a basic install documentation.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 This directory is added but we may need to publish to access it further with
 CMS.


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 wrote:

 Clone URL (Committers only):

 https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/ast%2Fdownload%2Fcommon%2F

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[CMS PATCH] Asturian translation (work in progress)

2013-07-29 Thread Anonymous CMS User

Clone URL (Committers only):
https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/ast%2Fdownload%2Fcommon%2Finstructions.html

Partial translation to Asturian. I send it as a caution to avoid a broken link 
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+  meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
+  titleInstrucciones pa descargar ya instalar Apache OpenOffice 4.0/title
+/head
+
+body
+
+h2Instrucciones pa descargar ya instalarbr /
+Apache OpenOffice 4.0.0/h2
+
+pÚltimu anovamientu: 2013-07-21/p
+
+
+pemDende la versión 3.4, yá nun s'empaqueta un JRE (Jave Runtime 
Environment) con OpenOffice.
+Sicasí, inda pue necesitar un JRE pa un functionamientu completu. (Vea a 
href=java.html
+Java y Apache OpenOffice/a). Por favor, asegurese de que'l sistema tien 
instalao Java 1.6
+o mayor pa un functionamientu completu./em/p
+
+pemApache OpenOffice 4.0 tien cambios significativos na configuración de 
direutorios d'OpenOffice qu'afeuten al so perfil d'OpenOffice anterior./em
+Les a 
href=https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=33296031;Notes
 de la versión Apache OpenOffice 4.0/a dan una esplicación d'estos cambios. 
Sicasí, habría de tener la oportunidá de
+migrae la configuración del perfil antiguu al área del perfil nuevu./p
+
+ul
+  liba href=#winWindows/a/b
+  ul
+lia href=#fileassocAsociaciones de ficheros/a/li
+  /ul
+  /li
+  liba href=#appleApple Macintosh/a/b
+ul
+  lia href=#gatekeeperOS X y Gatekeeper/a/li
+  lia href=#mac-generalRecursos d'instalación en Macintosh/a/li
+  /ul
+/li
+  liba href=#linuxLinux/a/b
+  ul
+lia href=#linux-preinstallPreInstalación en Linux/a/li
+lia href=#linux-generalNotes xenerales d'instalación en Linux: RPM o 
DEB/a/li
+lia href=#linux-rpmLinux basáu en RPM/a/li
+lia href=#linux-debLinux basáu en DEB/a/li
+lia href=#other_linuxPaquetes pa distribuciones de Linux/a/li 
+/ul 
+/li
+  liba href=#problemsProblemes d'instalación/a/b/li
+  liba href=#moreMás recursos d'instalación/a/b/li
+/ul
+
+hr /
+
+h2 id=winWindows XP/2003/Vista/ 7 / 8 Guía d'aniciu rápidu pa Apache 
OpenOffice 4.0/h2
+
+pBienveníos a la Guía d'aniciu rápidu d'Apache OpenOffice pa entornos 
Windows. Más abaxo alcontrará instrucciones
+pasu a pasu pa descargar ya instalar Apache OpenOffice versión 4.0.0 nel 
sistema. Recomendamos imprimir esta fueya
+d'instrucciones como referencia enantes de descargar y principiar la 
instalación d'Apache OpenOffice./p
+
+pSi ye expertu col sistema operativu Windows, pue usar les instrucciones que 
se dan na siguiente seición.
+Sinón, pase a la seición a href=#comprehensiveInstrucciones d'instalación 
completes/a./p
+
+!--
+pIf you have Windows XP, you may wish to view a
+a 
href=http://www.digitaldistribution.com/community/howtoinstallooo2onxp/;flash 
presentation/a overview of the
+download and installation procedure. Note: The presentation does not include 
checking the integrity of the downloaded file
+and returns you to the Apache OpenOffice home page. At the finish of the 
presentation click the Back button in your browser
+to return to this page./p
+--
+
+h3Resume del procesu de descarga ya instalación/h3
+
+pPa descargar ya instalar Apache OpenOffice 4.0, siga los pasos d'esta 
llista:/p
+
+!--
+pBe aware: OOo 2.x replaces an earlier 3.0.x installation/p
+--
+
+ol
+  liRevise los a 
href=http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo40.html;Requisitos 
del sistema/a pa
+  usar Apache OpenOffice./li
+  liDescargue ya instale a href=http://www.java.com/;Java JRE/a si 
necesita les funciones que dependen de Java./li
+  lia href=http://www.openoffice.org/download/;Descargue Apache 
OpenOffice 4.0.0/a./li
+  liAnicie sesión como alministrador (si ye necesario)./li
+  liDesempaquete ya instale los ficheros d'Apache OpenOffice 4.0.0 
descargaos./li
+  liExecute Apache OpenOffice 4.0.0 p'asegurase de que la instalación ye 
correuta./li
+/ol
+
+h3 id=comprehensiveInstrucciones d'instalación completes/h3
+
+pEsta seición describe detalladamente cómo instalar Apache OpenOffice nel so 
sistema./p
+
+pLo primero que tendría de facer ye lleer estes instrucciones completamente, 
y usar el
+sitiu d'a href=http://www.openoffice.org/support/;Apache OpenOffice/a pa 
responder les entrugues que pueda tener. El
+sitiu contién documentación pa usuarios de tolos niveles, de principiante a 
avanzáu; un bon llugar de comienzu pa tolos
+usuarios nuevos d'Apache OpenOffice pue ser

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