Re: Hunspell improvement idea for italic (foreign) words

2014-10-10 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 10/10/14 04:42, Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:
 Hi!
 
 Microsoft Office 2010 suggests words to be changed to italic if they are
 foreign, at least for Portuguese.
 
 For example: e-mail in Portuguese would be written in italic: /e-mail/.
 
 I was wondering if this could be implemented into Hunspell.
 
 The way for not breaking compatibility with older versions was to have
 an extra file with the italic words:
 pt_PT.DAT
 *pt_PT_italic.DAT*
 pt_PT.AFF
 
 The above is how that extra file would improve writing styles.
 
 The words on the new file could also exist in the normal .DAT .
 
 Could someone talk to Németh László about this since he only replied
 once to the e-mails I sent him in the past?

I don't know him

Juergen


 
 
 Thanks!
 
 Kind regards,
 Marco A.G.Pinto
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Reporting Broken download link

2014-10-10 Thread Roger Schilling
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Re: Complex content inside shapes

2014-10-10 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 09.10.2014 23:53, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Dennis,

comments below.

Dennis E. Hamilton schrieb:

Hi Regina,

orcnote below,

-Original Message-
From: Regina Henschel [mailto:rb.hensc...@t-online.de]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 08:34
To: AOO dev
Subject: Complex content inside shapes

Hi all,

LibreOffice has implemented the ability for complex content in shapes. I
would not bother you with this, but it will result in requests for
ODF1.3. Therefore I ask you to have a look and help me to form an
opinion.

[1] http://vmiklos.hu/blog/textbox.html
[2]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4#Shapes_can_have_a_TextBox

[3] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70942
[4]
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-October/063831.html


orcnote
Can you say more on how you think this is already possible
in ODF 1.2 without any required change?  Or are you saying
there is an implementation-defined case already available
under ODF 1.2?

In the second case, it would seem simpler to agree on a
shared implementation-defined (and public) definition than
to expect incorporation in a new ODF specification.  For one
thing, that doesn't do anything for ODF 1.2-conforming documents.

Did the LibreOffice extension presume to reuse an OASIS namespace
or was it done properly with a well-defined foreign extension?


(1)
I became aware of the problem with
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-3864. In the meantime the
developer found another way to track, whether the shape has complex
content. So the request for a new attribute has been (or will be?)
canceled. But he is not really satisfied with the solution.

(2)
When a custom shape contains a table then LibreOffice currently writes e.g.
draw:custom-shape ...
  table:table...
 ...
  /table
  text:p ...
 ...
  /text:p
  draw:enhanced-geometry ...
...
/draw:custom-shape

This solution is not valid in ODF1.2. A construction of the kind
draw:custom-shape
...
text:p
draw:frame
   table:table
...
   /table:table
/draw:frame
/text:p
...
/draw:custom-shape
would be valid.

In normal texts table:table and text:p are both allowed as child of
office:text. Here a table:table element in a draw:frame has a
different meaning, because its outside the text flow. But inside a shape
the table is already outside the text flow and putting it into a
draw:frame would not add restrictions.

The comment of the developer is in
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84714#c1. He suggests to
write loext:table till the proposal of table:table as child of
draw:custom-shape is accepted. He dislikes fake use of
text:pdraw:frame as wrapper. In addition he mentioned in the
discussion [4] on the mailing list, that because LibreOffice (and same
OpenOffice) use a SAX parser, it can not easily be detected, whether
elements exist or not exists in a sub-tree of the XML tree. I'm not able
to judge this.

Is the idea to allow table:table as child of draw:custom-shape and
other shapes worth supporting?



Just a short feedback regarding the ODF without having gone through the 
details:
As draw:custom-shape already allows text:p and text:list as childs 
I currently do not see an objection to not allow table:table, too.
This should be discussed in the OASIS ODF TC and I am sure that soon a 
corresponding discussion will be started from one of the LibreOffice/TDF 
representatives.



Best regards, Oliver.


P.S.: I will be on vacation from 2014-10-11 until 2014-10-27

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Re: Hunspell improvement idea for italic (foreign) words

2014-10-10 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:

 Microsoft Office 2010 suggests words to be changed to italic if they are
 foreign, at least for Portuguese. ...
 I was wondering if this could be implemented into Hunspell.


 Hunspell has no knowledge about formatting. The closest thing one could do
 in OpenOffice is to add an option not to check the words in italics.
 Something like the uppercase check that is available in Tools - Options -
 Language Settings - Writing Aids - Options. I have no idea of how hard it is
 (maybe OpenOffice strips formatting too before sending words to the spell
 checker!) but theoretically this could be investigated.


More elegant, but more work, would be tag the word or passage as
langen/lang or something like that, and then have AOO trigger
behavior based on that language tagging, possible including formatting
it as italics and ignoring it when spell checking, or using the
appropriate secondary dictionary, if available.

In other words, formatting and behavior comes from semantic tagging.
That extra level of indirection can be very useful.  It would allow,
for example, a future extension to give hover translations of
foreign expressions, etc.

-Rob


 Of course, words in italics would then simply be ignored, not checked
 against a dedicated dictionary as you propose.

 Regards,
   Andrea.


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Re: Reporting Broken download link

2014-10-10 Thread Marcus
I don't see a problem when downloading - also the pasted values don't 
indicate anything. Maybe there is a temporary problem. Please wait some 
time and try again.


HTH

Marcus


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