Re: [Discuss] Review and improve graphics memory handling

2015-05-26 Thread Nancy K
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I am not sure if this is the same problem, but it might be since it has to do 
with graphics.
I tried to copy/paste (Ctrl V) the list of graphic images describing courses on 
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My system: Running Win7 Professional 64 bit Operating SystemIntel Core i5-2400 
CPU 3.1 ghz; 4 GB RAM installed memory
Results after several attempts:1.Each attempt placed the outline boxes and 
links on the blank page in Writer. 2.Then as it tried to catch up placing the 
images into place AOO crashed. 3. Alert notice 'OpenOffice Document Recovery' 
pops up Due to an unexpected error, OpenOffice crashed. All the files you were 
working on will  now be saved. The next time OpenOffice is launched, your files 
will be recovered automatically. The following files will be recovered: 
Untitled 14. Selecting OK gave me two scenarios    a. Non responsive after 
progress bar halfway through    b. Progress bar never started saving5. Closed 
and restarted Writer 6. Open Office Document Recovery failed7.  Clicking 'NEXT' 
to get the Error Report Tool opened up a blank page in Writer
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On 05/26/2015 01:19 AM, armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 it should be http://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125519 which is
 fixed and in master, would be a candidate for AOO412, too.
 
 Sincerely,
 alg

OK. Thanks. This didn't seem to directly relate to just graphic images
(but overall size ) so I didn't find it.

 
 On 26.05.2015 00:28, Kay Schenk wrote:

 On 05/25/2015 11:03 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
 There are constant reports of images going missing in OO Writer.  The
 problem is not consistently reproducible, but is there nevertheless.
 A recent report suggests it might be memory related:
 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=41271p=353246#p353246


  It is also informative to move back along that thread for other
 instances of the problem.  I doubt that we can dismiss all
 occurrences of this problem as finger trouble (i.e., improper user
 usage).

 Might it be time to consider increasing the maximum memory allocation
 for graphics (currently 256 MB) and to review the memory management
 of the suggested compilers?  Also, in case the problem arises from
 background processing which has not completed on shut down of OO,
 ought a please wait flag be displayed, a flag specifically keyed to
 any such background process?

 In these days of large memory 256MB is a very small allocation.
 Having observed OO's use of memory with large text (not graphics)
 files I note that its allocation and consumption of memory is
 increasingly slower as the amount of memory used by it increases.  It
 is most certainly not linear - I have no accurate method of deciding
 if the increase in slowness is geometric or even exponential.

 I found John Ha's analyses and comments back from Apr, 2014 very
 informative. And, his final followup on Jun 7, 2014 certainly indicates
 the problem stems from exceeding the graphic memory limits.

 I couldn't find an actual issue that directly related to this so I will
 enter one, and reference this thread.  Maybe that will help raise
 attention to it.
 
 
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Re: [Discuss] Review and improve graphics memory handling

2015-05-26 Thread Nancy K
I am not sure if this is the same problem, but it might be since it has to do 
with graphics.
I tried to copy/paste (Ctrl V) the list of graphic images describing courses on 
this page onto a blank page in OpenOffice 4.1.1Writer :Best Online Courses | 
Udemy 
|   |
|   |   |   |   |   |
| Best Online Courses | UdemyUdemy is the world's largest destination for 
online courses. Browse the featured courses on Udemy and start learning a new 
skill today. |
|  |
| View on www.udemy.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |

My system: Running Win7 Professional 64 bit Operating SystemIntel Core i5-2400 
CPU 3.1 ghz; 4 GB RAM installed memory
Results after several attempts:1.Each attempt placed the outline boxes and 
links on the blank page in Writer. 2.Then as it tried to catch up placing the 
images into place AOO crashed. 3. Alert notice 'OpenOffice Document Recovery' 
pops up Due to an unexpected error, OpenOffice crashed. All the files you were 
working on will  now be saved. The next time OpenOffice is launched, your files 
will be recovered automatically. The following files will be recovered: 
Untitled 14. Selecting OK gave me two scenarios    a. Non responsive after 
progress bar halfway through    b. Progress bar never started saving5. Closed 
and restarted Writer 6. Open Office Document Recovery failed7.  Clicking 'NEXT' 
to get the Error Report Tool opened up a blank page in Writer
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Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss] Review and improve graphics memory handling



On 05/26/2015 01:19 AM, armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 it should be http://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125519 which is
 fixed and in master, would be a candidate for AOO412, too.
 
 Sincerely,
 alg

OK. Thanks. This didn't seem to directly relate to just graphic images
(but overall size ) so I didn't find it.

 
 On 26.05.2015 00:28, Kay Schenk wrote:

 On 05/25/2015 11:03 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
 There are constant reports of images going missing in OO Writer.  The
 problem is not consistently reproducible, but is there nevertheless.
 A recent report suggests it might be memory related:
 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=41271p=353246#p353246


  It is also informative to move back along that thread for other
 instances of the problem.  I doubt that we can dismiss all
 occurrences of this problem as finger trouble (i.e., improper user
 usage).

 Might it be time to consider increasing the maximum memory allocation
 for graphics (currently 256 MB) and to review the memory management
 of the suggested compilers?  Also, in case the problem arises from
 background processing which has not completed on shut down of OO,
 ought a please wait flag be displayed, a flag specifically keyed to
 any such background process?

 In these days of large memory 256MB is a very small allocation.
 Having observed OO's use of memory with large text (not graphics)
 files I note that its allocation and consumption of memory is
 increasingly slower as the amount of memory used by it increases.  It
 is most certainly not linear - I have no accurate method of deciding
 if the increase in slowness is geometric or even exponential.

 I found John Ha's analyses and comments back from Apr, 2014 very
 informative. And, his final followup on Jun 7, 2014 certainly indicates
 the problem stems from exceeding the graphic memory limits.

 I couldn't find an actual issue that directly related to this so I will
 enter one, and reference this thread.  Maybe that will help raise
 attention to it.
 
 
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Re: [Discuss] Review and improve graphics memory handling

2015-05-26 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Tue, 26 May 2015 10:19:07 +0200
armin.le.gr...@me.com armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 it should be http://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125519 which is 
 fixed and in master, would be a candidate for AOO412, too.
 
 Sincerely,
 alg


Thank you for the link to Bugzilla, Armin.  That bug might answer the crash 
problem which seems to be Windows related; as most of our Users are using 
Windows that is good.  

However this does not address the overall problem of the increasing slow memory 
management as memory allocated and used by OO increases when large files are 
processed, be they of graphics or just text file handling.  It may be that the 
fundamental logic underlying the file structure and its processing will not 
permit of any improvement in this (I don't know - it is currently beyond my 
knowledge), but often a change in the algorithm used will allow an improvement 
in a program bottleneck.

Has anyone any thoughts on that aspect? 


 
 On 26.05.2015 00:28, Kay Schenk wrote:
 
  On 05/25/2015 11:03 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
  There are constant reports of images going missing in OO Writer.  The
  problem is not consistently reproducible, but is there nevertheless.
  A recent report suggests it might be memory related:
  https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=41271p=353246#p353246
 
It is also informative to move back along that thread for other
  instances of the problem.  I doubt that we can dismiss all
  occurrences of this problem as finger trouble (i.e., improper user
  usage).
 
  Might it be time to consider increasing the maximum memory allocation
  for graphics (currently 256 MB) and to review the memory management
  of the suggested compilers?  Also, in case the problem arises from
  background processing which has not completed on shut down of OO,
  ought a please wait flag be displayed, a flag specifically keyed to
  any such background process?
 
  In these days of large memory 256MB is a very small allocation.
  Having observed OO's use of memory with large text (not graphics)
  files I note that its allocation and consumption of memory is
  increasingly slower as the amount of memory used by it increases.  It
  is most certainly not linear - I have no accurate method of deciding
  if the increase in slowness is geometric or even exponential.
 
  I found John Ha's analyses and comments back from Apr, 2014 very
  informative. And, his final followup on Jun 7, 2014 certainly indicates
  the problem stems from exceeding the graphic memory limits.
 
  I couldn't find an actual issue that directly related to this so I will
  enter one, and reference this thread.   Maybe that will help raise
  attention to it.
 
 
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Re: [Discuss] Review and improve graphics memory handling

2015-05-26 Thread armin.le.gr...@me.com

Hi,

it should be http://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125519 which is 
fixed and in master, would be a candidate for AOO412, too.


Sincerely,
alg

On 26.05.2015 00:28, Kay Schenk wrote:


On 05/25/2015 11:03 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

There are constant reports of images going missing in OO Writer.  The
problem is not consistently reproducible, but is there nevertheless.
A recent report suggests it might be memory related:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=41271p=353246#p353246

  It is also informative to move back along that thread for other
instances of the problem.  I doubt that we can dismiss all
occurrences of this problem as finger trouble (i.e., improper user
usage).

Might it be time to consider increasing the maximum memory allocation
for graphics (currently 256 MB) and to review the memory management
of the suggested compilers?  Also, in case the problem arises from
background processing which has not completed on shut down of OO,
ought a please wait flag be displayed, a flag specifically keyed to
any such background process?

In these days of large memory 256MB is a very small allocation.
Having observed OO's use of memory with large text (not graphics)
files I note that its allocation and consumption of memory is
increasingly slower as the amount of memory used by it increases.  It
is most certainly not linear - I have no accurate method of deciding
if the increase in slowness is geometric or even exponential.


I found John Ha's analyses and comments back from Apr, 2014 very
informative. And, his final followup on Jun 7, 2014 certainly indicates
the problem stems from exceeding the graphic memory limits.

I couldn't find an actual issue that directly related to this so I will
enter one, and reference this thread.   Maybe that will help raise
attention to it.



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Re: Change color of menubar and docking area

2015-05-26 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Xaver,

X Roemer schrieb:

Hi,

I already asked this question in the forum but didn't receive any answer:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20t=77257

Is is possible to change the color of the menubar and the docking area
from an extension?


This is what I tried:

I can get the menubar via the layoutManager:
menubar = layoutmgr.getElement(private:resource/menubar/menubar)
but the menubar doesn't have a realInterface, which I guess I would need
to change its style.

I searched the configuration for a value holding the color but couldn't
discover one.
C:\Users\Homer\AppData\Roaming\OpenOffice\4\user\registrymodifications.xcu
Is there maybe another file holding the configuration?


The color values are in StyleSettings. But as far as I know, they are 
readonly and only reflect the settings of the operating system. You 
might want to look whether the Personalization feature of LibreOffice 
(Firefox Themes; Persona) gives you more options.


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: Change color of menubar and docking area

2015-05-26 Thread X Roemer

Hi Regina,

I'm able to change allmost all colors via Style Settings, except the 
ones from the menubar and the docking area below.
When I compare my system colors to the colors of OO, they are slightly 
different, so I guess, they have to be set somewhere.
(But I couldn't find the source, neither in the installation folder on 
my disk, nor in AOO's source code.)


I also wrote some code to change Personas and wrote a mail to the LO 
Mailing List already. But it would be nice to find some code, which 
works on LO and on OO.



Regards,
Xaver





Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Regina Henschel:

Hi Xaver,

X Roemer schrieb:

Hi,

I already asked this question in the forum but didn't receive any 
answer:

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20t=77257

Is is possible to change the color of the menubar and the docking area
from an extension?


This is what I tried:

I can get the menubar via the layoutManager:
menubar = layoutmgr.getElement(private:resource/menubar/menubar)
but the menubar doesn't have a realInterface, which I guess I would need
to change its style.

I searched the configuration for a value holding the color but couldn't
discover one.
C:\Users\Homer\AppData\Roaming\OpenOffice\4\user\registrymodifications.xcu 


Is there maybe another file holding the configuration?


The color values are in StyleSettings. But as far as I know, they 
are readonly and only reflect the settings of the operating system. 
You might want to look whether the Personalization feature of 
LibreOffice (Firefox Themes; Persona) gives you more options.


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: Change color of menubar and docking area

2015-05-26 Thread Alexandro Colorado
is a bit Off-topic but I would love to see some of the toolbars gain better
costumizability by dragging to other regions. A specific example is the
color bar palette (View - Toolbars - Colors) and be able to have it on
the lower bar of Draw for example.

Is there different kind of toolbars that just made them as compatible with
the workspace?

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:49 AM, X Roemer x-roe...@web.de wrote:

 Hi Regina,

 I'm able to change allmost all colors via Style Settings, except the ones
 from the menubar and the docking area below.
 When I compare my system colors to the colors of OO, they are slightly
 different, so I guess, they have to be set somewhere.
 (But I couldn't find the source, neither in the installation folder on my
 disk, nor in AOO's source code.)

 I also wrote some code to change Personas and wrote a mail to the LO
 Mailing List already. But it would be nice to find some code, which works
 on LO and on OO.


 Regards,
 Xaver






 Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Regina Henschel:

 Hi Xaver,

 X Roemer schrieb:

 Hi,

 I already asked this question in the forum but didn't receive any answer:
 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20t=77257

 Is is possible to change the color of the menubar and the docking area
 from an extension?


 This is what I tried:

 I can get the menubar via the layoutManager:
 menubar = layoutmgr.getElement(private:resource/menubar/menubar)
 but the menubar doesn't have a realInterface, which I guess I would need
 to change its style.

 I searched the configuration for a value holding the color but couldn't
 discover one.
 C:\Users\Homer\AppData\Roaming\OpenOffice\4\user\registrymodifications.xcu

 Is there maybe another file holding the configuration?


 The color values are in StyleSettings. But as far as I know, they are
 readonly and only reflect the settings of the operating system. You might
 want to look whether the Personalization feature of LibreOffice (Firefox
 Themes; Persona) gives you more options.

 Kind regards
 Regina


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Re: [Discuss] Review and improve graphics memory handling

2015-05-26 Thread armin.le.gr...@me.com

Hi Rory,

On 26.05.2015 10:37, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2015 10:19:07 +0200
armin.le.gr...@me.com armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote:


Hi,

it should be http://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125519 which is
fixed and in master, would be a candidate for AOO412, too.

Sincerely,
alg


Thank you for the link to Bugzilla, Armin.  That bug might answer the crash 
problem which seems to be Windows related; as most of our Users are using 
Windows that is good.

However this does not address the overall problem of the increasing slow memory 
management as memory allocated and used by OO increases when large files are 
processed, be they of graphics or just text file handling.  It may be that the 
fundamental logic underlying the file structure and its processing will not 
permit of any improvement in this (I don't know - it is currently beyond my 
knowledge), but often a change in the algorithm used will allow an improvement 
in a program bottleneck.

Has anyone any thoughts on that aspect?


Yes, constantly. For 32bit AOO (Windows unfortunately) the 4GB mem 
quickly gets filled with modern bitmaps. The mentioned fix resolves that 
by limiting used mem for loaded pics - not much else to be done without 
bigger redesigns and on 32bit.

Rewrites of this aspect are surely welcome!

Sincerely,
alg




On 26.05.2015 00:28, Kay Schenk wrote:

On 05/25/2015 11:03 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

There are constant reports of images going missing in OO Writer.  The
problem is not consistently reproducible, but is there nevertheless.
A recent report suggests it might be memory related:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=41271p=353246#p353246

   It is also informative to move back along that thread for other
instances of the problem.  I doubt that we can dismiss all
occurrences of this problem as finger trouble (i.e., improper user
usage).

Might it be time to consider increasing the maximum memory allocation
for graphics (currently 256 MB) and to review the memory management
of the suggested compilers?  Also, in case the problem arises from
background processing which has not completed on shut down of OO,
ought a please wait flag be displayed, a flag specifically keyed to
any such background process?

In these days of large memory 256MB is a very small allocation.
Having observed OO's use of memory with large text (not graphics)
files I note that its allocation and consumption of memory is
increasingly slower as the amount of memory used by it increases.  It
is most certainly not linear - I have no accurate method of deciding
if the increase in slowness is geometric or even exponential.


I found John Ha's analyses and comments back from Apr, 2014 very
informative. And, his final followup on Jun 7, 2014 certainly indicates
the problem stems from exceeding the graphic memory limits.

I couldn't find an actual issue that directly related to this so I will
enter one, and reference this thread.   Maybe that will help raise
attention to it.


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Re: [Discuss] Review and improve graphics memory handling

2015-05-26 Thread Kay Schenk


On 05/26/2015 01:19 AM, armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 it should be http://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125519 which is
 fixed and in master, would be a candidate for AOO412, too.
 
 Sincerely,
 alg

OK. Thanks. This didn't seem to directly relate to just graphic images
(but overall size ) so I didn't find it.

 
 On 26.05.2015 00:28, Kay Schenk wrote:

 On 05/25/2015 11:03 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
 There are constant reports of images going missing in OO Writer.  The
 problem is not consistently reproducible, but is there nevertheless.
 A recent report suggests it might be memory related:
 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7t=41271p=353246#p353246


   It is also informative to move back along that thread for other
 instances of the problem.  I doubt that we can dismiss all
 occurrences of this problem as finger trouble (i.e., improper user
 usage).

 Might it be time to consider increasing the maximum memory allocation
 for graphics (currently 256 MB) and to review the memory management
 of the suggested compilers?  Also, in case the problem arises from
 background processing which has not completed on shut down of OO,
 ought a please wait flag be displayed, a flag specifically keyed to
 any such background process?

 In these days of large memory 256MB is a very small allocation.
 Having observed OO's use of memory with large text (not graphics)
 files I note that its allocation and consumption of memory is
 increasingly slower as the amount of memory used by it increases.  It
 is most certainly not linear - I have no accurate method of deciding
 if the increase in slowness is geometric or even exponential.

 I found John Ha's analyses and comments back from Apr, 2014 very
 informative. And, his final followup on Jun 7, 2014 certainly indicates
 the problem stems from exceeding the graphic memory limits.

 I couldn't find an actual issue that directly related to this so I will
 enter one, and reference this thread.   Maybe that will help raise
 attention to it.
 
 
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