Re: QUESTIONS RE: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Thanks Tony, this reminds me of some questions that would help us understand what is involved. These questions are anyone knowledgable of the current arrangements: I see four levels of support to wikis and forums: 1. User Account and Content Administration I believe this is handed. Does anyone believe it is not? How do you mean handled? This function is managed within the two products by those who manage them already. In other words this is fully devolved to the AOO PMC to determine how this should be managed. 2. Administering the Running Service That is, a server administrator for the service (not necessarily the host) Is this done? Do we need a replacement or an expansion here? What are prerequisite qualifications for being able to do this. Again this is down to the PMC to determine how to best do this. Right now Infra provide a number of VMs for AOO to run the service on. This is mostly due to significant historical inertia when AOO first joined the ASF, but also because it is what the PMC wanted to make their lives easier. If you want these to be come more managed by Infra then a significant number of changes would need to be made to make this happen. Not least of which is moving the system into Puppet. This is a non-trivial piece of work which I'd estimate would take a member of paid staff at least 4-6 weeks to complete (minimum). 3. Administrating the Server that hosts the Service I assume this is where one deals with Ubuntu upgrades and such, whether the server is real or virtual. Is this provided by the project? Do we need a replacement/expansion here from within the project? Again, what are prerequisite qualifications? Again, due to historical inertia and what I suspect is fear of letting go in the past (perhaps even now in the present) this element was handled at the PMC's discretion - with the caveat that Infra would force an update where required (say SSL vulnerability etc), or if the PMC did not do it itself the service would be shutdown and the instance shutdown until such time that the problem had been resolved. Right now, I do not believe that these instances are being properly maintained, and are in need of significant TLC to make them tick along nicely once more. However, owing to the obscenely difficlut (and in my opinion frankly ridiculous) setup of the services this is near impossible to do well. 4. I assume hardware IT support is not the business of the project, and changing boxes is a different deal. Yes? Correct, the PMC is provided with a number of virtual machines (not native hardware, just to avoid any confusion). If you need to move (and frankly I would push for this very hard) we would need to stand up the new instances for you, based on an open discussion of your requirements. Infra are responsible for making sure that the instances are up, and that the hardware they run is available. I suspect this is known. I don't know if the necessary information is anywhere in project materials (haven't looked). This is an area of ignorance for me. I hope I have helped clarify somewhat. -- Many thanks, Tony pgpEMbLdOugGK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 2:57 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair role. Due to the fact that there are only 1 candidate we could use lazy consensus, but since some persons might be against that, we will use majority vote, as if there was multiple candidates. Voting rules are as follows: - Only PMC votes are binding, but everybody are welcome to vote - The nominee with the most +1 (deducted -1) gets elected - VOTE runs until Sunday August 23th - As outgoing Chair, I will send resolution to Board August 23th. Please vote [ ] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion). +1 Have fun voting. rgds jan i. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
On 2015-08-16 08:57, jan i wrote: This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair role. [...] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
+1. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2015, at 11:57 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair role. Due to the fact that there are only 1 candidate we could use lazy consensus, but since some persons might be against that, we will use majority vote, as if there was multiple candidates. Voting rules are as follows: - Only PMC votes are binding, but everybody are welcome to vote - The nominee with the most +1 (deducted -1) gets elected - VOTE runs until Sunday August 23th - As outgoing Chair, I will send resolution to Board August 23th. Please vote [ ] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion). Have fun voting. rgds jan i. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: QUESTIONS RE: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum
Oh, sorry Tony. I was hoping other on AOO could supply what they know of this situation. I was clear that the project has responsibilities for (1) and thank you for clarifying (2-3) which appear to be in dangerous shape. Thanks for clarifying that these are AOO responsibilities in particular. I would like to know who are providing effort in categories (2-3) at the moment and also their view of the situation and the required capabilities. I suppose any retiring incumbents can also specify what the qualifications for a successor are and then we can see who is equipped to perform such work. - - - - - - - It seems the next question is to understand the desired state we want for the MediaWiki (that's the one?) and the Forums in terms of sustainable operational support and what is a roadmap that can get us there. We also need to look at the most urgent steps and the least that can provide relief. Is that what you see needed at this rather high level? Finally, assuming it could be done, is there any benefit to Puppet for non-Infrastructure usage or are we talking about a regime that is specific to operation under ASF Infra? - - - - - - - It should be obvious that I am an Infrastructure dufus. Yet I think the AOO community needs to have a clear picture and also awareness of the gravity of the support that is required to be provided by the project. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Tony Stevenson [mailto:t...@pc-tony.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 14:42 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: QUESTIONS RE: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Thanks Tony, this reminds me of some questions that would help us understand what is involved. These questions are anyone knowledgable of the current arrangements: I see four levels of support to wikis and forums: 1. User Account and Content Administration I believe this is handed. Does anyone believe it is not? How do you mean handled? This function is managed within the two products by those who manage them already. In other words this is fully devolved to the AOO PMC to determine how this should be managed. 2. Administering the Running Service That is, a server administrator for the service (not necessarily the host) Is this done? Do we need a replacement or an expansion here? What are prerequisite qualifications for being able to do this. Again this is down to the PMC to determine how to best do this. Right now Infra provide a number of VMs for AOO to run the service on. This is mostly due to significant historical inertia when AOO first joined the ASF, but also because it is what the PMC wanted to make their lives easier. If you want these to be come more managed by Infra then a significant number of changes would need to be made to make this happen. Not least of which is moving the system into Puppet. This is a non-trivial piece of work which I'd estimate would take a member of paid staff at least 4-6 weeks to complete (minimum). 3. Administrating the Server that hosts the Service I assume this is where one deals with Ubuntu upgrades and such, whether the server is real or virtual. Is this provided by the project? Do we need a replacement/expansion here from within the project? Again, what are prerequisite qualifications? Again, due to historical inertia and what I suspect is fear of letting go in the past (perhaps even now in the present) this element was handled at the PMC's discretion - with the caveat that Infra would force an update where required (say SSL vulnerability etc), or if the PMC did not do it itself the service would be shutdown and the instance shutdown until such time that the problem had been resolved. Right now, I do not believe that these instances are being properly maintained, and are in need of significant TLC to make them tick along nicely once more. However, owing to the obscenely difficlut (and in my opinion frankly ridiculous) setup of the services this is near impossible to do well. 4. I assume hardware IT support is not the business of the project, and changing boxes is a different deal. Yes? Correct, the PMC is provided with a number of virtual machines (not native hardware, just to avoid any confusion). If you need to move (and frankly I would push for this very hard) we would need to stand up the new instances for you, based on an open discussion of your requirements. Infra are responsible for making sure that the instances are up, and that the hardware they run is available. I suspect this is known. I don't know if the necessary information is anywhere in project materials (haven't looked). This is an area of ignorance for me. I hope I have helped clarify somewhat. -- Many thanks, Tony - To unsubscribe, e-mail:
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
Please vote [X] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion). -- DiGro ___ Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1 (Dutch) and scanned with Ziggo extended security (F-Secure) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: problem with web site staging build
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015, at 07:29 AM, Marcus wrote: Done. However, the issue is still unassigned. Maybe also a problenm, I don't know. This was resolved 3 hours ago. Many thanks, -- Tony - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
review requested: [Issue 126474] Allow symbols in docx files to be imported : [Attachment 84885] Proposed patch to import symbols for docx files.
Mark Hung mark...@gmail.com has asked for review: Issue 126474: Allow symbols in docx files to be imported https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126474 Attachment 84885: Proposed patch to import symbols for docx files. https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=84885action=edit --- Comment #1 from Mark Hung mark...@gmail.com --- Created attachment 84885 -- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=84885action=edit Proposed patch to import symbols for docx files. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
Hi all, 2015-08-16 8:57 GMT+02:00 jan i j...@apache.org: This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair role. Due to the fact that there are only 1 candidate we could use lazy consensus, but since some persons might be against that, we will use majority vote, as if there was multiple candidates. Voting rules are as follows: - Only PMC votes are binding, but everybody are welcome to vote - The nominee with the most +1 (deducted -1) gets elected - VOTE runs until Sunday August 23th - As outgoing Chair, I will send resolution to Board August 23th. Please vote [ ] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion). +1 -- gw
Re: problem with web site staging build
Tony Stevenson wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2015, at 07:29 AM, Marcus wrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-10064 However, the issue is still unassigned. This was resolved 3 hours ago. Many thanks Many thanks to you and Infra, actually! I've now published the website since we needed to do that to see changes. But I do have some doubts on the diff I've seen. There are many lines saying The following code is added by mdx_elementid.py followed by inline CSS code. I assume this is due to a different/new markdown parser. Everything I've seen so far seems OK, but maybe others will want to take a look too. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
On 16 Aug 2015, at 14:57, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair role. Due to the fact that there are only 1 candidate we could use lazy consensus, but since some persons might be against that, we will use majority vote, as if there was multiple candidates. Voting rules are as follows: - Only PMC votes are binding, but everybody are welcome to vote - The nominee with the most +1 (deducted -1) gets elected - VOTE runs until Sunday August 23th - As outgoing Chair, I will send resolution to Board August 23th. Please vote [X] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion). +1 /Peter Have fun voting. rgds jan i. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: problem with web site staging build
Sorry that it took longer than expected but finally the change is now online: http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html Marcus Am 07/30/2015 06:26 PM, schrieb Marcus: Am 07/30/2015 04:38 PM, schrieb | Stelios Lambropoulos |: We saw there was a problem with buildbot about the consultants listing for infolearn”. Is there anything we can do? Should we reapply/resend? thanks for coming back to this. Yes, it was already added to the SVN repository where the website is managed. But there is a little problem to get this also to the production webserver. There is nothing more you need to do. IMHO we need some more patience to get the problem fixed - especially now in the summer and therefore vacation time. @Andrea: Do you have a response from the Infra team - or a JIRA issue? Thanks Marcus -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 8:01 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: problem with web site staging build On 07/26/2015 12:48 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 25/07/2015 Kay Schenk wrote: I just committed the new consultants listing for infolearn to /openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/bizdev/consultants.html and much to my surprise, The buldbot has erred out. See info at: https://ci.apache.org/builders/ooo-site-site-staging/builds/6/steps/c ompile/logs/stdio Reading the logs, it seems this has nothing to do with your specific updated, but rather with two filenames that use non-ASCII characters. I've fixed the two reported ones (well this is not necessarily a bug in the file names; they always worked so far, so this may be an issue with the new buildbot setup) to check: http://svn.apache.org/r1692695 http://svn.apache.org/r1692696 Let's see if this gets rid of warnings. The affected files were unused (even if I took care of renaming where helpful) and had names like (hoping they get rendered correctly in mail clients): excepții.css with a special t and ProjectMembersh…equestHelp.html with a literal ... character, of course due to some mistake. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
Please vote [X] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair Non-binding, but Dennis is a sound choice for AOO's PMC Chair -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Dennis-Hamilton-as-new-AOO-Chair-tp4675509p4675554.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: problem with web site staging build
Also from my side a big thank you. Good to see that is was an easy fix. Marcus Am 08/17/2015 07:26 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Tony Stevenson wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2015, at 07:29 AM, Marcus wrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-10064 However, the issue is still unassigned. This was resolved 3 hours ago. Many thanks Many thanks to you and Infra, actually! I've now published the website since we needed to do that to see changes. But I do have some doubts on the diff I've seen. There are many lines saying The following code is added by mdx_elementid.py followed by inline CSS code. I assume this is due to a different/new markdown parser. Everything I've seen so far seems OK, but maybe others will want to take a look too. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
+1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair Marcus Am 08/16/2015 08:57 AM, schrieb jan i: Please vote [ ] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, at 01:31 PM, jan i wrote: Hi. The AOO Forum vm could do with an upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04 and be defined in the new puppet structure. Defining it in the new puppet structure has the advantage that Infra can roll a new vm in case of problems, and thereby reducing downtime. The AOO Wiki vm is in strong need of a reconfiguration and update (Ubuntu 14.04 see above). Currently there is a ATS running on the same vm in front of the mediawiki (django) application. The ATS veersion is no longer supported by the traffic server project. Running it on a separate vm (or even as the HTPPS proxy) has a lot of merit, but it has not been done. As I am reducing my engagement in the project, this might be a good time for a new maintainer to step up. The actual maintenance is about 1 hour pr month. Can I take this opportunity to remind the community that if this service fails to be maintained appropriately it will be turned off, or made unavailable by Infra until such time it is brought up to date and managed. AIUI this was the agreement that we had with the project when it was handed over to enable you to manage yourselves. Many thanks, -- Tony - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
QUESTIONS RE: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum
Thanks Tony, this reminds me of some questions that would help us understand what is involved. These questions are anyone knowledgable of the current arrangements: I see four levels of support to wikis and forums: 1. User Account and Content Administration I believe this is handed. Does anyone believe it is not? 2. Administering the Running Service That is, a server administrator for the service (not necessarily the host) Is this done? Do we need a replacement or an expansion here? What are prerequisite qualifications for being able to do this. 3. Administrating the Server that hosts the Service I assume this is where one deals with Ubuntu upgrades and such, whether the server is real or virtual. Is this provided by the project? Do we need a replacement/expansion here from within the project? Again, what are prerequisite qualifications? 4. I assume hardware IT support is not the business of the project, and changing boxes is a different deal. Yes? I suspect this is known. I don't know if the necessary information is anywhere in project materials (haven't looked). This is an area of ignorance for me. I am not raising my hand. I just want to ensure that the necessary requirements are understood and we know what is and is not adequately covered. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Tony Stevenson [mailto:t...@pc-tony.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 12:54 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, at 01:31 PM, jan i wrote: Hi. The AOO Forum vm could do with an upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04 and be defined in the new puppet structure. Defining it in the new puppet structure has the advantage that Infra can roll a new vm in case of problems, and thereby reducing downtime. The AOO Wiki vm is in strong need of a reconfiguration and update (Ubuntu 14.04 see above). Currently there is a ATS running on the same vm in front of the mediawiki (django) application. The ATS veersion is no longer supported by the traffic server project. Running it on a separate vm (or even as the HTPPS proxy) has a lot of merit, but it has not been done. As I am reducing my engagement in the project, this might be a good time for a new maintainer to step up. The actual maintenance is about 1 hour pr month. Can I take this opportunity to remind the community that if this service fails to be maintained appropriately it will be turned off, or made unavailable by Infra until such time it is brought up to date and managed. AIUI this was the agreement that we had with the project when it was handed over to enable you to manage yourselves. Many thanks, -- Tony - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
review requested: [Issue 126476] Set Firstline Auto Indent to 2 Chars for Chinese : [Attachment 84886] Proposed patch
Mark Hung mark...@gmail.com has asked for review: Issue 126476: Set Firstline Auto Indent to 2 Chars for Chinese https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126476 Attachment 84886: Proposed patch https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=84886action=edit --- Comment #1 from Mark Hung mark...@gmail.com --- Created attachment 84886 -- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=84886action=edit Proposed patch - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.
On 16/08/2015 jan i wrote: Please vote [ ] +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair Andrea - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
4.1.2_release_blocker requested: [Issue 107471] justified alignment fails if snap to text grid is enabled (grid ignored, latin text overlaps)
Marcus mar...@apache.org has asked for 4.1.2_release_blocker: Issue 107471: justified alignment fails if snap to text grid is enabled (grid ignored, latin text overlaps) https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=107471 --- Comment #8 from Marcus mar...@apache.org --- @Mark: Thanks a lot for the patch. At least from the diff it could be a good candidate for the next release 4.1.2. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
