Re: Differentiate or Die

2016-09-08 Thread Jörg Schmidt
> From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org] > The thing about so-called "marketing gurus" is that their assumptions > about how the markets work may break down when we are talking about > software that has zero cost. > > I will simplify the marketing issue making a bold statement: "We

Re: Differentiate or Die

2016-09-08 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Phillip; The thing about so-called "marketing gurus" is that their assumptions about how the markets work may break down when we are talking about software that has zero cost. I will simplify the marketing issue making a bold statement: "We have millions of users because we do 80% of

Re: Release process and 4.1.3

2016-09-08 Thread Phillip Rhodes
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > We also need something far, far more agile for getting simple bug fix > releases out quickly and easily. I propose using 4.1.3 as a test case for a > stripped down process. > +1 Phil ~~ This message optimized for

Release process and 4.1.3

2016-09-08 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I've looked at the Release Planning Template, https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release+Planning+Template It is what I would want to do for a major release with user interface changes. We also need something far, far more agile for getting simple bug fix releases out

Re: Another LWN article

2016-09-08 Thread toki
On 08/09/2016 20:56, Jonathan Corbet wrote: }> You should not have to pay to access the article via the subscriber link. The link you posted enabled me to read the article, and the comments. If somebody wants to post the following over there, they have my blessing. ">" is my quoting that

Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting - Jim Jagielski (jimjag)

2016-09-08 Thread Marcus
Am 09/09/2016 12:35 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Marcus wrote: yes, please don't split up the new build instructions from the olders. You can take one of the following and update with new data: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_MacOSX

Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting - Jim Jagielski (jimjag)

2016-09-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Marcus wrote: yes, please don't split up the new build instructions from the olders. You can take one of the following and update with new data: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_MacOSX https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Build_Instructions No,

Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting - Jim Jagielski (jimjag)

2016-09-08 Thread Keith N. McKenna
Jim Jagielski wrote: > subj sez it all > Jim; I just checked your permissions on the CWiki and it appears that you are all set. If you have any problems reply here with the problem and I will take a look again Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting - Jim Jagielski (jimjag)

2016-09-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Jim Jagielski wrote: subj sez it all Done. But if you are going to contribute build instructions/tips, you probably want the MWiki too. In that case, just supply your desired username and mail and we'll create an account for you there too. Regards, Andrea.

Question about binary upload process

2016-09-08 Thread Patricia Shanahan
Part of getting a release into our user's hands is uploading the binaries to both ASF and, with more practical effect, to SourceForge. Because of the number of natural languages and target operating systems, we have a lot of binaries to upload. Could someone with experience or knowledge of

Re: [4.1.3 Release] Bugzilla admin tasks

2016-09-08 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 9/8/2016 1:02 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Patricia, On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 12:38:50PM -0700, Patricia Shanahan wrote: @Patricia: do you have a bugzilla account? https://bz.apache.org/ooo/ You should be added to the relman group, so that you can grant/deny the release blocker

4.1.3_release_blocker granted: [Issue 127103] Update metadata for OpenOffice 4.1.3 release

2016-09-08 Thread bugzilla
Patricia Shanahan has granted Ariel Constenla-Haile 's request for 4.1.3_release_blocker: Issue 127103: Update metadata for OpenOffice 4.1.3 release https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127103

[CWiki] Account Whitelisting - Jim Jagielski (jimjag)

2016-09-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
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Re: Another LWN article

2016-09-08 Thread Jonathan Corbet
On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 16:32:16 -0400 Jim Jagielski wrote: > Note that the LWN article is protected under a subscriber > paywall. > > I'd like to followup but I'm not going to pay to repeat > on that thread what I've said numerous times in numerous > locations :) You should not

Re: Another LWN article

2016-09-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
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Re: Another LWN article

2016-09-08 Thread Donald Whytock
Even though you were quoted three times in it? On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > Note that the LWN article is protected under a subscriber > paywall. > > I'd like to followup but I'm not going to pay to repeat > on that thread what I've said numerous times

Re: Another LWN article

2016-09-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
Note that the LWN article is protected under a subscriber paywall. I'd like to followup but I'm not going to pay to repeat on that thread what I've said numerous times in numerous locations :) > On Sep 8, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > >

Another LWN article

2016-09-08 Thread Phillip Rhodes
https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/699755/533f89639e8b53f0/ and the associated HN discussion, although I'm the only commenter there as I type this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12456071 Phil ~~~ This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM

Re: [4.1.3 Release] Bugzilla admin tasks

2016-09-08 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi Patricia, On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 12:38:50PM -0700, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > >@Patricia: do you have a bugzilla account? https://bz.apache.org/ooo/ > >You should be added to the relman group, so that you can grant/deny the > >release blocker status on bugs. > > Yes, I have an account with

Re: [4.1.3 Release] Bugzilla admin tasks

2016-09-08 Thread Marcus
Am 09/08/2016 09:38 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: On 9/8/2016 12:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi *, as part of the preparation for the 4.1.3 Release, Bugzilla has now: - 4.1.3 target milestone, to be set on bugs targeted to this release - 4.1.3 release blocker flag, request this flag

4.1.3_release_blocker requested: [Issue 127103] Update metadata for OpenOffice 4.1.3 release

2016-09-08 Thread bugzilla
Ariel Constenla-Haile has asked for 4.1.3_release_blocker: Issue 127103: Update metadata for OpenOffice 4.1.3 release https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127103 --- Comment #1 from Ariel Constenla-Haile --- This is a release blocker, of course.

Re: [4.1.3 Release] Bugzilla admin tasks

2016-09-08 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 9/8/2016 12:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi *, as part of the preparation for the 4.1.3 Release, Bugzilla has now: - 4.1.3 target milestone, to be set on bugs targeted to this release - 4.1.3 release blocker flag, request this flag on bugs you consider that should be included in

[4.1.3 Release] Bugzilla admin tasks

2016-09-08 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi *, as part of the preparation for the 4.1.3 Release, Bugzilla has now: - 4.1.3 target milestone, to be set on bugs targeted to this release - 4.1.3 release blocker flag, request this flag on bugs you consider that should be included in the release. The Release Manager will grant/deny

Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

2016-09-08 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 07/09/2016 à 16:55, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : 3. I suspect that discussions about available software alternatives would arise on users@oo.a.o and particularly on the Community Forums. That would happen naturally without requiring the project to take any positions or provide any kind of

Re: 4.1.3_release_blocker requested: [Issue 125980] Set default currency to Euro in Lithuanian locale

2016-09-08 Thread Marcus
Am 09/08/2016 09:21 PM, schrieb bugzi...@apache.org: Ariel Constenla-Haile has asked for 4.1.3_release_blocker: Issue 125980: Set default currency to Euro in Lithuanian locale https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125980 --- Comment #20 from Ariel

4.1.3_release_blocker requested: [Issue 125980] Set default currency to Euro in Lithuanian locale

2016-09-08 Thread bugzilla
Ariel Constenla-Haile has asked for 4.1.3_release_blocker: Issue 125980: Set default currency to Euro in Lithuanian locale https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125980 --- Comment #20 from Ariel Constenla-Haile --- (In reply to Ariel

Re: Releasing OpenOffice 4.1.3 (reopening the AOO410 branch)

2016-09-08 Thread Marcus
Am 09/08/2016 03:09 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: On 9/8/2016 6:04 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Recent events make it clear we will have to release OpenOffice 4.1.3 sooner or later, with some duplication of work with

Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

2016-09-08 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > WARNING. The ApacheOpenOffice. Org site described in this exchange is a > malicious site. DO NOT INVESTIGATE. > The malicious website has the Google AdWords UA ID "UA-19309218-3". That ID is also used in the

4.1.3_release_blocker granted: [Issue 125980] Set default currency to Euro in Lithuanian locale

2016-09-08 Thread bugzilla
Ariel Constenla-Haile has granted 4.1.3_release_blocker: Issue 125980: Set default currency to Euro in Lithuanian locale https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125980 --- Comment #19 from Ariel Constenla-Haile --- Requesting release blocker status

RE: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

2016-09-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
WARNING. The ApacheOpenOffice. Org site described in this exchange is a malicious site. DO NOT INVESTIGATE. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Mark Thomas [mailto:ma...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 02:08 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]

Re: Releasing OpenOffice 4.1.3 (reopening the AOO410 branch)

2016-09-08 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 9/8/2016 6:04 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Recent events make it clear we will have to release OpenOffice 4.1.3 sooner or later, with some duplication of work with respect to 4.1.2-patch1 but with more clarity for those

Re: Releasing OpenOffice 4.1.3 (reopening the AOO410 branch)

2016-09-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > Recent events make it clear we will have to release OpenOffice 4.1.3 sooner > or later, with some duplication of work with respect to 4.1.2-patch1 but with > more clarity for those who couldn't see that we made a

Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

2016-09-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
Fine then. I'll drop it. It did deserve to be brought up though. > On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > On 06/09/2016 Jim Jagielski wrote: >> What has been obvious, from following the numerous threads in various >> places, as well as contributing to the 2

Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

2016-09-08 Thread Jose R R
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > Here is what a careful retirement of Apache OpenOffice could look like. > > A. PERSPECTIVE > B. WHAT RETIREMENT COULD LOOK LIKE > 1. Code Base > 2.

Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

2016-09-08 Thread Mark Thomas
On 2016-09-06 17:06 (+0100), Simos Xenitellis wrote: Just responding to these specific bits with my Apache Brand Management Committee member hat on. > which claims that the Apache Foundation has the Apache OpenOffice™ and > OpenOffice.org®. > However, my search

Re: Presence at ApacheCon Europe, November

2016-09-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 03/09/2016 Roberto Galoppini wrote: If a bunch of us is willing to go I might join the party. The "bunch" is still small and the deadline for submissions is tomorrow. Anyone else from Europe interested in attending? Regards, Andrea.

Re: Release manager for 4.1.3

2016-09-08 Thread Mechtilde
Hello Patrizia, thanks for your engagement. Please give me a hint, if there is a linux build for testing and/or some new strings to translate. I will do when I can help. Kind regards Am 08.09.2016 um 09:33 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > Patricia Shanahan wrote: >> My objective is to complete

Re: Release manager for 4.1.3

2016-09-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Patricia Shanahan wrote: My objective is to complete 4.1.3 in November. Thank you for volunteering for the November release. I'll be available for anything I can help with. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: dmake

2016-09-08 Thread Gav
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Don Lewis wrote: > On 29 Aug, Gav wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Don Lewis wrote: > > > >> On 27 Aug, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > >> >> On 28 Aug, Gav wrote: > >> >>> when did you try that last Don? > >> >>> > >>