Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-06 Thread Jörg Schmidt

> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] 

> In looking at AOO source code, I'm finding lots of uses of fixed size 
> arrays. As far as I can tell, there is little use of the STL data 
> structures. I assume this reflects conditions when StarOffice 
> was designed.

I do not know what "use of the STL data" is, but fixed values are something I 
had feared, which can make an increase in the number of tables more difficult.

My request to the developers would be to check and decide whether an increase 
of the table number is possible _in a short term_.

Please distinguish between:
(A) the number of tables can be increased without extensive program changes
(B) to increase the number of tables, comprehensive program changes are 
necessary

In case (a), the table number should be increased _in the short term_, for 
example to 1024. (more is better, but 1024 would already be a good value for 
now)



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Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-06 Thread Jörg Schmidt

> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] 

> > btw:
> > Maybe we should also update the hardware requirements 
> listed on our website:
> > https://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html
> 
> please be more specific about what and why you think a change 
> is necessary.
> 
> And please remember it's about the *minimal requirements*, so that 
> OpenOffice can run at all. It doesn't describe a comfortable working 
> flow. ;-)

If this is the scale, then the current values are OK. I thought, however, that 
the "recommended" values would be for optimal working.


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Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-06 Thread Patricia Shanahan
In looking at AOO source code, I'm finding lots of uses of fixed size 
arrays. As far as I can tell, there is little use of the STL data 
structures. I assume this reflects conditions when StarOffice was designed.



On 2/5/2017 7:42 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:



From: Damjan Jovanovic [mailto:dam...@apache.org]



Hopefully, to increase number of sheets, it's just this one-line patch
below that I am busy compiling now. Will let you know if it
works soon.


That would be good if it worked.


But please let us consider:
Are 1024 a reasonable value?
What would be possible at most _in the short_ term?

We have to keep in mind that MS Excel and LO Calc do not have a limit for 
tables anymore and that must be our goal in the long term. (Of course gladly 
synonymous in the short term, but I think this will not be possible)


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Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.02.2017 um 21:13 schrieb Mathias Röllig:

If one creates daily reports at seperate sheets and want to collect the
reports for one year in one document then this enhancement is very
useful.
When do older versions of AOO warn “This document was created with a
newer version? […]”






There is no need for sarcasm. AOO have this warning since years – but I
don't know the mechanism behind. Sometimes I get this message with an
actual version of AOO if I open a document which was created with LO.
OOo2.x/3.x shows this message also for documents which was created with
newer OOo/AOO version. Maybe this message was already introduced in the
StarOffice time.


I don't know such a message. I only know the message that is shown when 
you want to save a .doc file when .odt is more appropriate to prevent 
data loss due to OpenOffice functions that do not exist in MS Word.



And this message was introduced to warn users of possible loss.
I don't know if there is a special document version string or if simply
the AOO version is written into the document. So my question is


Yes, see the "meta:generator" tag in the file "meta.xml". Example:

OpenOffice/4.1.3$Unix 
OpenOffice.org_project/413m1$Build-9783


The same for the ODF version.

Marcus


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Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-06 Thread Mathias Röllig

If one creates daily reports at seperate sheets and want to collect the
reports for one year in one document then this enhancement is very
useful.
When do older versions of AOO warn “This document was created with a
newer version? […]”






There is no need for sarcasm. AOO have this warning since years – but I 
don't know the mechanism behind. Sometimes I get this message with an 
actual version of AOO if I open a document which was created with LO.
OOo2.x/3.x shows this message also for documents which was created with 
newer OOo/AOO version. Maybe this message was already introduced in the 
StarOffice time.

And this message was introduced to warn users of possible loss.
I don't know if there is a special document version string or if simply 
the AOO version is written into the document. So my question is


>> Must the main version number increased for such a change?

to trigger this message? If you know more then please let us know.

Regards, Mathias

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Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.02.2017 um 10:48 schrieb Mathias Röllig:

My patch works :-). I can make 1024 sheets!


If one creates daily reports at seperate sheets and want to collect the
reports for one year in one document then this enhancement is very useful.
When do older versions of AOO warn “This document was created with a




Microsoft is doing this in a much more hard way. Asking the PC if it has 
a 4-Core-CPU. If not, then show user a "Sorry, not below 4 cores" 
message and quits any installation attempt.




We should give the user such a broad hint in a more sensitive way. But 
should keep an eye on our efforts, too.


Suggestion:
Instead of doeing this per document, we can show more general.

When the Online Update function is enabled we can use the online service 
[1] to get the most current version, compare it with the actual running 
one and show a message like "You are running Apache OpenOffice 
$RUN_VERSION. Version $CUR_VERSION is available. An update is suggested 
to be up-to-date again."



newer version? […]” Must the main version number increased for such a
change?


No, much more code needs to be implemented for such a little thing. ;-)

[1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Update_Service

Marcus


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Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.02.2017 um 09:46 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:



From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:legi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 8:09 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

+1 for tests.

But honestly I would not expect a lot of effect if you are on a modern
machine with 4GB + memory and maybe SSD disks.


This is not a problem, I can use a Thinkpad T40 (Pentium M1,5 Ghz, 512MB RAM, 
120 GB Western Digital HDD).

But the PC I use daily (Fujitsu-Siemens Esprimo P7935) also has only 2 GB of 
RAM, but an SSD.


btw:
Maybe we should also update the hardware requirements listed on our website:
https://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html


please be more specific about what and why you think a change is necessary.

And please remember it's about the *minimal requirements*, so that 
OpenOffice can run at all. It doesn't describe a comfortable working 
flow. ;-)


Marcus


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Re: AOO 4.1.4 Release Schedule

2017-02-06 Thread Marcus

Am 05.02.2017 um 16:03 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

As Ariel is preparing for the AOO 4.1.4 RC1, I thought it would be a
good idea to have a Release Schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.4

Feel free to change and complete the table.


it would be great when Ariel could tell us a bit more about his plans 
for the 4.1.4 release.


Marcus


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Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-06 Thread Mathias Röllig

My patch works :-). I can make 1024 sheets!



If one creates daily reports at seperate sheets and want to collect the 
reports for one year in one document then this enhancement is very useful.
When do older versions of AOO warn “This document was created with a 
newer version? […]” Must the main version number increased for such a 
change?


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Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

2017-02-06 Thread Jörg Schmidt

> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:legi...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 8:09 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc
> 
> +1 for tests.
> 
> But honestly I would not expect a lot of effect if you are on a modern
> machine with 4GB + memory and maybe SSD disks.

This is not a problem, I can use a Thinkpad T40 (Pentium M1,5 Ghz, 512MB RAM, 
120 GB Western Digital HDD).

But the PC I use daily (Fujitsu-Siemens Esprimo P7935) also has only 2 GB of 
RAM, but an SSD.


btw:
Maybe we should also update the hardware requirements listed on our website:
https://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html



Greetings,
Jörg



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