Re: Sorry for not providing Windows Builds yet

2017-04-17 Thread Marcus

Am 17.04.2017 um 21:06 schrieb Raphael Bircher:

I'm sorry for not providing Windows build yet. If someone step up and
want to do the build, I'm completely find with it. I just want to say that.


don't worry we are not in a hurry. Also we haven't so many Windows 
builders, so the competition is not very high. ;-)


Marcus

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Sorry for not providing Windows Builds yet

2017-04-17 Thread Raphael Bircher

Hi all

I'm sorry for not providing Windows build yet. If someone step up and want  
to do the build, I'm completely find with it. I just want to say that.


Regards Raphael

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Re: [GitHub] Missing tag for 4.1.3 release

2017-04-17 Thread Marcus

Am 10.04.2017 um 20:38 schrieb Marcus:

Thanks for this. My intention was not to get answers to the questions.
They were more ment as rough ideas for what could be added to the cook
book. ;-)

However, I'll take them for addition, but not before Easter.


I've added the topics now to the cook book [1] and incorporated them 
into the "Initiating a Release" section. After looking twice they seem 
to fit very well there.


[1] 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/How+to+Cook+a+Release


Marcus




Am 08.04.2017 um 10:28 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 07/04/2017 Marcus wrote:

Am 06.04.2017 um 00:11 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

If it needs to be done early, put it early in the document.


Tagging is not to be done early. We tag retroactively, once a RC is
approved.

I don't care about the Github mirror very much, since it is unofficial,
poorly maintained, it shows wrong numbers and it even stopped working
for many months last year. That said, the issue Matthias raised affect
SVN too, so it is still relevant:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/tags/

Also note: Github "releases" based on tags are not the same as our
official releases; it's the same source code of course, but there are
minor packaging details. So the Github releases in themselves (like the
Github repository overall) have no value. Ask me to expand if this is
unclear.


Let's create a new section like
"Build Preparations" and put the following stuff (and more, of course)
there:
- How to create new SVN tag?


Again, this happens retroactively, when a specific RC is voted. At that
point, you simply SVN copy the branch to the tag.

How do you do this?

1. Double-check what version was built (for 4.1.3 it's Rev. 1761381, you
find it even in the About Box); of course, if this happens during the
release process, the Release Manager knows it.

2. Find the relevant branch in
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/ (in this case it's
AOO413 and revision number is indeed 1761381) and check it is aligned
(it is, since the two revisions match).

3. SVN copy the branch to the tag. You can do it locally but it's much
more efficient to do it remotely. So, from anywhere on a machine with
SVN access, just run:

$ svn copy https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO413
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/tags/AOO413 -m "AOO revision
1761381 from branch AOO413 was voted to be released as Apache OpenOffice
4.1.3 in October 2016"

Committed revision 1790662.

This results in the new tag appearing at
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/tags/ (while at it I fixed the
missing 4.1.3 tag, so I did run the command above).


- How to check out code?


Just "svn checkout" the relevant branch. Starting with 4.1.3 we have
been using dedicated branches, so naming is now obvious (we had been
reusing branches in precedence, like AOO410 was used for 4.1.0, 4.1.1
and 4.1.2). Branches are listed at
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/

So:

$ svn checkout
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO413


- How to do a build with release options?


Use the scripts at
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/devtools/build-scripts/

The 4.1.2 scripts are correct, for 4.1.3 it is unreliable since people
uploaded there scripts that were not used for building. See

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/96b7085351f7ab7975ac56c5bc7c42852b8a888da53e0a67864d3396@%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E




- Where/How to upload pre-build releases?


When they are RCs, they belong in the dev area. See

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/05d175d207b2bdc1ed83c8c4884630e91663a953daf12fe8612e98c5@%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E



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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

2017-04-17 Thread Marcus

Am 17.04.2017 um 11:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Maybe we should think about a way to handle such a situation better in
the future?

There can always be circumstances when a person becomes "unavailable",
but I assume the PMC did a discussion on that topic.


yes, but I took the chance to ask again.

Marcus




Am 17.04.2017 um 10:30 schrieb Marcus:

Am 17.04.2017 um 10:06 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

But I will leave it to the release manager to decide...


then you won't be lucky as Ariel is silent since some weeks.

Marcus




Am 17.04.2017 um 09:21 schrieb Marcus:

Am 17.04.2017 um 01:17 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Matthias Seidel wrote:

I would be happy to commit them and ask for 4.1.4. release
blocker... ;-)


I would prefer to keep 4.1.4 for important bugfixes and commit this
type
of enhancements to trunk for 4.2.0, otherwise we risk to settle too
much
on 4.1.x for no reason. That said, I'm not the Release Manager, so
please go ahead with committing to trunk (which must be done
anyway) and
then feel free to ask for 4.1.4 too if you wish!


Matthias, thanks for your great work and enthusiasm.

When thinking about the term "release blocker" I would expect some
serious problems that prevent the users from using OpenOffice or at
least a larger part of its functionality.

A new graphic looks easy to handle but would also put the bar lower
for other issues. So, we shouldn't accept any new exceptions. IMHO we
have already enough.

Therefore I second Andrea's opinion that this "fix" shouldn't go into
the 4.1.4 release.



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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

2017-04-17 Thread Matthias Seidel
Maybe we should think about a way to handle such a situation better in
the future?

There can always be circumstances when a person becomes "unavailable",
but I assume the PMC did a discussion on that topic.

Matthias


Am 17.04.2017 um 10:30 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 17.04.2017 um 10:06 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> But I will leave it to the release manager to decide...
>
> then you won't be lucky as Ariel is silent since some weeks.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>> Am 17.04.2017 um 09:21 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 17.04.2017 um 01:17 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
 Matthias Seidel wrote:
> I would be happy to commit them and ask for 4.1.4. release
> blocker... ;-)

 I would prefer to keep 4.1.4 for important bugfixes and commit this
 type
 of enhancements to trunk for 4.2.0, otherwise we risk to settle too
 much
 on 4.1.x for no reason. That said, I'm not the Release Manager, so
 please go ahead with committing to trunk (which must be done
 anyway) and
 then feel free to ask for 4.1.4 too if you wish!
>>>
>>> Matthias, thanks for your great work and enthusiasm.
>>>
>>> When thinking about the term "release blocker" I would expect some
>>> serious problems that prevent the users from using OpenOffice or at
>>> least a larger part of its functionality.
>>>
>>> A new graphic looks easy to handle but would also put the bar lower
>>> for other issues. So, we shouldn't accept any new exceptions. IMHO we
>>> have already enough.
>>>
>>> Therefore I second Andrea's opinion that this "fix" shouldn't go into
>>> the 4.1.4 release.
>
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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

2017-04-17 Thread Matthias Seidel
Yes, the About dialog is "composed" out of several elements. One of them
is logo.png.

I tried to reduce the increase of height to a minimum and tested
(exchanged the graphics) on Ubuntu, Xubuntu and Windows. All dialogs
look slightly different, but that has always been the way.

Matthias


Am 17.04.2017 um 10:28 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 17.04.2017 um 10:09 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> You are referring to logo.png?
>> It is the graphic used in the About dialog...
>
> ah, that's all in the dialog. Haven't recognized this before.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>> Am 17.04.2017 um 09:47 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 15.04.2017 um 18:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
 For those who want to have a look, take:

 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdjd6z6u2rgl1e2/intro.png?dl=0
>>>
>>> this looks very good.
>>>
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/rpkjy5xbiusg51f/logo.png?dl=0
>>>
>>> Where / For what is this graphic used? I don't remember that I've seen
>>> this somewhere in OpenOffice.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Am 15.04.2017 um 11:37 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 14.04.2017 um 14:08 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> At some point (4.1.0?) the ASF logo was removed from the splash
>> screen.
>>
>> Older version (4.0.1):
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO401/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to ask if we want to re-add the new ASF logo as the
>> graphic
>> must be updated anyway [1] ?
>>
>> [1] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122376
>
> it's also gone from the About dialog (menu Help - About). Maybe
> because the same graphic is used.
>
> Yes, let's add the feather again to the graphic.
>
> Will you make a graphical proposal?
>
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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

2017-04-17 Thread Marcus

Am 17.04.2017 um 10:06 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

But I will leave it to the release manager to decide...


then you won't be lucky as Ariel is silent since some weeks.

Marcus




Am 17.04.2017 um 09:21 schrieb Marcus:

Am 17.04.2017 um 01:17 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Matthias Seidel wrote:

I would be happy to commit them and ask for 4.1.4. release
blocker... ;-)


I would prefer to keep 4.1.4 for important bugfixes and commit this type
of enhancements to trunk for 4.2.0, otherwise we risk to settle too much
on 4.1.x for no reason. That said, I'm not the Release Manager, so
please go ahead with committing to trunk (which must be done anyway) and
then feel free to ask for 4.1.4 too if you wish!


Matthias, thanks for your great work and enthusiasm.

When thinking about the term "release blocker" I would expect some
serious problems that prevent the users from using OpenOffice or at
least a larger part of its functionality.

A new graphic looks easy to handle but would also put the bar lower
for other issues. So, we shouldn't accept any new exceptions. IMHO we
have already enough.

Therefore I second Andrea's opinion that this "fix" shouldn't go into
the 4.1.4 release.



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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

2017-04-17 Thread Marcus

Am 17.04.2017 um 10:09 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

You are referring to logo.png?
It is the graphic used in the About dialog...


ah, that's all in the dialog. Haven't recognized this before.

Marcus





Am 17.04.2017 um 09:47 schrieb Marcus:

Am 15.04.2017 um 18:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

For those who want to have a look, take:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdjd6z6u2rgl1e2/intro.png?dl=0


this looks very good.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/rpkjy5xbiusg51f/logo.png?dl=0


Where / For what is this graphic used? I don't remember that I've seen
this somewhere in OpenOffice.

Thanks

Marcus




Am 15.04.2017 um 11:37 schrieb Marcus:

Am 14.04.2017 um 14:08 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

At some point (4.1.0?) the ASF logo was removed from the splash
screen.

Older version (4.0.1):
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO401/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png



I would like to ask if we want to re-add the new ASF logo as the
graphic
must be updated anyway [1] ?

[1] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122376


it's also gone from the About dialog (menu Help - About). Maybe
because the same graphic is used.

Yes, let's add the feather again to the graphic.

Will you make a graphical proposal?



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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

2017-04-17 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Marcus,

You are referring to logo.png?
It is the graphic used in the About dialog...

Matthias


Am 17.04.2017 um 09:47 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 15.04.2017 um 18:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> For those who want to have a look, take:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdjd6z6u2rgl1e2/intro.png?dl=0
>
> this looks very good.
>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rpkjy5xbiusg51f/logo.png?dl=0
>
> Where / For what is this graphic used? I don't remember that I've seen
> this somewhere in OpenOffice.
>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>> Am 15.04.2017 um 11:37 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 14.04.2017 um 14:08 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
 At some point (4.1.0?) the ASF logo was removed from the splash
 screen.

 Older version (4.0.1):
 http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO401/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png



 I would like to ask if we want to re-add the new ASF logo as the
 graphic
 must be updated anyway [1] ?

 [1] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122376
>>>
>>> it's also gone from the About dialog (menu Help - About). Maybe
>>> because the same graphic is used.
>>>
>>> Yes, let's add the feather again to the graphic.
>>>
>>> Will you make a graphical proposal?
>
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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

2017-04-17 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Marcus,

Yes, the term "blocker" was discussed often. (Maybe we should add
another flag "release_proposal"?)
For me it is just a flag to let the release manager know that I would
like to see a certain commit/fix included in the next release.

I think 4.1.4 would be the perfect moment to show our integration in the
ASF, even if it is only a little logo.
But I will leave it to the release manager to decide...

Anyway, it is just two graphics. I can exchange them manually. ;-)

Matthias


Am 17.04.2017 um 09:21 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 17.04.2017 um 01:17 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> I would be happy to commit them and ask for 4.1.4. release
>>> blocker... ;-)
>>
>> I would prefer to keep 4.1.4 for important bugfixes and commit this type
>> of enhancements to trunk for 4.2.0, otherwise we risk to settle too much
>> on 4.1.x for no reason. That said, I'm not the Release Manager, so
>> please go ahead with committing to trunk (which must be done anyway) and
>> then feel free to ask for 4.1.4 too if you wish!
>
> Matthias, thanks for your great work and enthusiasm.
>
> When thinking about the term "release blocker" I would expect some
> serious problems that prevent the users from using OpenOffice or at
> least a larger part of its functionality.
>
> A new graphic looks easy to handle but would also put the bar lower
> for other issues. So, we shouldn't accept any new exceptions. IMHO we
> have already enough.
>
> Therefore I second Andrea's opinion that this "fix" shouldn't go into
> the 4.1.4 release.
>
> Marcus
>
>
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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

2017-04-17 Thread Marcus

Am 15.04.2017 um 18:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

For those who want to have a look, take:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdjd6z6u2rgl1e2/intro.png?dl=0


this looks very good.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/rpkjy5xbiusg51f/logo.png?dl=0


Where / For what is this graphic used? I don't remember that I've seen 
this somewhere in OpenOffice.


Thanks

Marcus




Am 15.04.2017 um 11:37 schrieb Marcus:

Am 14.04.2017 um 14:08 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

At some point (4.1.0?) the ASF logo was removed from the splash screen.

Older version (4.0.1):
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO401/main/default_images/introabout/intro.png


I would like to ask if we want to re-add the new ASF logo as the graphic
must be updated anyway [1] ?

[1] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122376


it's also gone from the About dialog (menu Help - About). Maybe
because the same graphic is used.

Yes, let's add the feather again to the graphic.

Will you make a graphical proposal?



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Re: Happy Easter!

2017-04-17 Thread Jürgen Lange

Thank you and Happy Easter from me, too.

Jürgen


Am 16.04.2017 um 15:15 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Happy Easter to everyone on the list!

Kind regards, matthias






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Re: ASF logo in Splash Screen?

2017-04-17 Thread Marcus

Am 17.04.2017 um 01:17 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Matthias Seidel wrote:

I would be happy to commit them and ask for 4.1.4. release blocker... ;-)


I would prefer to keep 4.1.4 for important bugfixes and commit this type
of enhancements to trunk for 4.2.0, otherwise we risk to settle too much
on 4.1.x for no reason. That said, I'm not the Release Manager, so
please go ahead with committing to trunk (which must be done anyway) and
then feel free to ask for 4.1.4 too if you wish!


Matthias, thanks for your great work and enthusiasm.

When thinking about the term "release blocker" I would expect some 
serious problems that prevent the users from using OpenOffice or at 
least a larger part of its functionality.


A new graphic looks easy to handle but would also put the bar lower for 
other issues. So, we shouldn't accept any new exceptions. IMHO we have 
already enough.


Therefore I second Andrea's opinion that this "fix" shouldn't go into 
the 4.1.4 release.


Marcus


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Re: Happy Easter!

2017-04-17 Thread Marcus

Happy Easter from me, too.

Marcus



Am 16.04.2017 um 15:15 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Happy Easter to everyone on the list!



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