Re: Weak reference helper implementations

[Don Lewis]

On 14 Aug, To: dev@openoffice.apache.org wrote:
> On 14 Aug, Peter kovacs wrote:
>> Sorry, for my bad english.
>> I meant that I think that some of the functionality which we have
>> implemented in helper functions in the past can be retired by using
>> modern c++11 and later standards. The code will be smaller,and
>> according to Bjarne Stroustrup also faster. I also would like to limit
>> if not ban usage of C code. It makes tmaintainability more difficult,
>> and I do not see the benefit. Honestly even less then the Java stuff. 
>> I also don't like helper structures. It is a sign for weak
>> architecture in my eyes. (But that's naming and structuring of code)
>> 
>> With our small team, I would opt always for less codelines if
>> possible. Limit is only readability.
>> 
>> I would like to know if there is support from others to remove those
>> whenever possible with c++11 Or later code? Or what strategy do we
>> want to head out for.
> 
> I don't think we can depend on c++11 at this time.  According to our
> build documentation for Windows, we can't use anything newer than MSVC
> 2008:
>   
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1.2C_Windows_10

... and the version of gcc in CentOS 5 is of a similar vintage.


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Re: Weak reference helper implementations

[Don Lewis]

On 14 Aug, Peter kovacs wrote:
> Sorry, for my bad english.
> I meant that I think that some of the functionality which we have
> implemented in helper functions in the past can be retired by using
> modern c++11 and later standards. The code will be smaller,and
> according to Bjarne Stroustrup also faster. I also would like to limit
> if not ban usage of C code. It makes tmaintainability more difficult,
> and I do not see the benefit. Honestly even less then the Java stuff. 
> I also don't like helper structures. It is a sign for weak
> architecture in my eyes. (But that's naming and structuring of code)
> 
> With our small team, I would opt always for less codelines if
> possible. Limit is only readability.
> 
> I would like to know if there is support from others to remove those
> whenever possible with c++11 Or later code? Or what strategy do we
> want to head out for.

I don't think we can depend on c++11 at this time.  According to our
build documentation for Windows, we can't use anything newer than MSVC
2008:
  
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1.2C_Windows_10



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no active help for most toolbars

[Mathias Röllig]

Hello!

Please open Writer and goto View → Toolbars.
Press [Shift]+[F1] for active help.
Only for “Hyperlink Bar” and “Formula” you will get a balloon help topic.

Can anybody check, if there was never a help topic for the other tool 
bars or is there a broken link in the source?


Should I file an issue?

Regards, Mathias

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Re: RC2: OLE problem?

[Patricia Shanahan]

I am rebuilding my 4.1.4 debug environment to make sure it is up to 
date. I am going to work on this ASAP, but I do have travel planned and 
will not be available Thursday through Tuesday.


On 8/14/2017 1:35 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Well, not exactly the same...
If I zoom into the document I can see a little graphic [1]. Looks like
"unplugged" or "disconnected" to me.

[1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/OLE-disconnected.png


Am 14.08.2017 um 22:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Confirmed on Windows 10 with 4.1.4 RC2.

The behavior now is similar to 4.1.3 with disabled "Tools - Options -
Writer - View - Graphics and objects"

Matthias


Am 14.08.2017 um 21:22 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:51:58 +0200
Marcus  wrote:


Am 14.08.2017 um 19:52 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

Using 4.1.4 RC2 (on Xubuntu 16.04.03 64 bit) and Windows 7 (in John_Ha's case) 
there seems to be a problem with OLE.

If in Writer one uses /Insert /OLE Object /
OpenOffice 4.1.4 Formula with Create New checked, a math formula will only display in the 
Writer document as "Object n".  It is always editable, but never displays as 
the actual formula.

If the formula is saved as a file, it can be inserted into a writer document using "Create 
from file" and will display, until edited, when it continues to display as "Object 
n".

One can insert multiple OLE objects from files and they each will display correctly as a formula, 
until edited.  After editing they display only as "Object n" (n is the sequential 
number).  Only the edited OLEs change to "Object", the unedited OLEs display as formulae.

at least in 4.1.3 it's still OK.

There is the setting "Tools - Options - Writer - View - Graphics and
objects" to disable to show the object's content but only the name. This
isn't unchecked by accident, right?

Sorry for the maybe stupid question - esecially for you as support guru. ;-)

Marcus

No offense taken at the suggestion - we can all do silly things!  I've checked the 
setting you mention - checked or unchecked it makes no difference to the "Object 
n" display.

John_Ha brought the problem to my attention - he is using RC2 on Windows 7.








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Re: RC2: OLE problem?

[Matthias Seidel]

Well, not exactly the same...
If I zoom into the document I can see a little graphic [1]. Looks like
"unplugged" or "disconnected" to me.

[1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/OLE-disconnected.png


Am 14.08.2017 um 22:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Confirmed on Windows 10 with 4.1.4 RC2.
>
> The behavior now is similar to 4.1.3 with disabled "Tools - Options -
> Writer - View - Graphics and objects"
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Am 14.08.2017 um 21:22 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:51:58 +0200
>> Marcus  wrote:
>>
>>> Am 14.08.2017 um 19:52 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
 Using 4.1.4 RC2 (on Xubuntu 16.04.03 64 bit) and Windows 7 (in John_Ha's 
 case) there seems to be a problem with OLE.

 If in Writer one uses /Insert /OLE Object /
 OpenOffice 4.1.4 Formula with Create New checked, a math formula will only 
 display in the Writer document as "Object n".  It is always editable, but 
 never displays as the actual formula.

 If the formula is saved as a file, it can be inserted into a writer 
 document using "Create from file" and will display, until edited, when it 
 continues to display as "Object n".

 One can insert multiple OLE objects from files and they each will display 
 correctly as a formula, until edited.  After editing they display only as 
 "Object n" (n is the sequential number).  Only the edited OLEs change to 
 "Object", the unedited OLEs display as formulae.
>>> at least in 4.1.3 it's still OK.
>>>
>>> There is the setting "Tools - Options - Writer - View - Graphics and 
>>> objects" to disable to show the object's content but only the name. This 
>>> isn't unchecked by accident, right?
>>>
>>> Sorry for the maybe stupid question - esecially for you as support guru. ;-)
>>>
>>> Marcus
>> No offense taken at the suggestion - we can all do silly things!  I've 
>> checked the setting you mention - checked or unchecked it makes no 
>> difference to the "Object n" display.
>>
>> John_Ha brought the problem to my attention - he is using RC2 on Windows 7.
>>
>




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Re: RC2: OLE problem?

[Matthias Seidel]

Confirmed on Windows 10 with 4.1.4 RC2.

The behavior now is similar to 4.1.3 with disabled "Tools - Options -
Writer - View - Graphics and objects"

Matthias


Am 14.08.2017 um 21:22 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:51:58 +0200
> Marcus  wrote:
>
>> Am 14.08.2017 um 19:52 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
>>> Using 4.1.4 RC2 (on Xubuntu 16.04.03 64 bit) and Windows 7 (in John_Ha's 
>>> case) there seems to be a problem with OLE.
>>>
>>> If in Writer one uses /Insert /OLE Object /
>>> OpenOffice 4.1.4 Formula with Create New checked, a math formula will only 
>>> display in the Writer document as "Object n".  It is always editable, but 
>>> never displays as the actual formula.
>>>
>>> If the formula is saved as a file, it can be inserted into a writer 
>>> document using "Create from file" and will display, until edited, when it 
>>> continues to display as "Object n".
>>>
>>> One can insert multiple OLE objects from files and they each will display 
>>> correctly as a formula, until edited.  After editing they display only as 
>>> "Object n" (n is the sequential number).  Only the edited OLEs change to 
>>> "Object", the unedited OLEs display as formulae.
>> at least in 4.1.3 it's still OK.
>>
>> There is the setting "Tools - Options - Writer - View - Graphics and 
>> objects" to disable to show the object's content but only the name. This 
>> isn't unchecked by accident, right?
>>
>> Sorry for the maybe stupid question - esecially for you as support guru. ;-)
>>
>> Marcus
> No offense taken at the suggestion - we can all do silly things!  I've 
> checked the setting you mention - checked or unchecked it makes no difference 
> to the "Object n" display.
>
> John_Ha brought the problem to my attention - he is using RC2 on Windows 7.
>




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Re: RC2: OLE problem?

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:51:58 +0200
Marcus  wrote:

> Am 14.08.2017 um 19:52 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
> > Using 4.1.4 RC2 (on Xubuntu 16.04.03 64 bit) and Windows 7 (in John_Ha's 
> > case) there seems to be a problem with OLE.
> > 
> > If in Writer one uses /Insert /OLE Object /
> > OpenOffice 4.1.4 Formula with Create New checked, a math formula will only 
> > display in the Writer document as "Object n".  It is always editable, but 
> > never displays as the actual formula.
> > 
> > If the formula is saved as a file, it can be inserted into a writer 
> > document using "Create from file" and will display, until edited, when it 
> > continues to display as "Object n".
> > 
> > One can insert multiple OLE objects from files and they each will display 
> > correctly as a formula, until edited.  After editing they display only as 
> > "Object n" (n is the sequential number).  Only the edited OLEs change to 
> > "Object", the unedited OLEs display as formulae.
> 
> at least in 4.1.3 it's still OK.
> 
> There is the setting "Tools - Options - Writer - View - Graphics and 
> objects" to disable to show the object's content but only the name. This 
> isn't unchecked by accident, right?
> 
> Sorry for the maybe stupid question - esecially for you as support guru. ;-)
> 
> Marcus

No offense taken at the suggestion - we can all do silly things!  I've checked 
the setting you mention - checked or unchecked it makes no difference to the 
"Object n" display.

John_Ha brought the problem to my attention - he is using RC2 on Windows 7.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: Weak reference helper implementations

[Peter kovacs]

Sorry, for my bad english.
I meant that I think that some of the functionality which we have implemented 
in helper functions in the past can be retired by using modern c++11 and later 
standards.
The code will be smaller,and according to Bjarne Stroustrup also faster.
I also would like to limit if not ban usage of C code. It makes 
tmaintainability more difficult, and I do not see the benefit. Honestly even 
less then the Java stuff.
I also don't like helper structures. It is a sign for weak architecture in my 
eyes. (But that's naming and structuring of code)

With our small team, I would opt always for less codelines if possible. Limit 
is only readability.

I would like to know if there is support from others to remove those whenever 
possible with c++11 Or later code? Or what strategy do we want to head out for.

I have soon more little time. And then I want to do some stuff. Sadly I will do 
less then I want to, but I hope it will go fine.

All the best.
Peter


Am 14. August 2017 19:54:06 MESZ schrieb Marcus :
>Am 14.08.2017 um 19:38 schrieb Peter kovacs:
>
>> I am going through the code, when I have little time left.
>
>:-)
>
>> There is a lot of code I think we don't need the modern
>implementation should provide us similar functionality.
>
>What do you mean with "modern implementation". Should newer libaries
>and 
>frameworks we use nowadays provide this support?
>> 
>> Is it okay if we target to get rid of such old Code?
>> 
>> Btw. There is a code for a workaround of a bug from gcc version 3.
>Can we retire that Code?
>
>Version 3 started in early 2000. A quick search in our Wiki [1] found 
>only some hits and these are - surprise - very old. But I don't think 
>that these are relevant any more.
>
>I cannot lookup what the configure script is tell you as minimal
>version 
>of gcc. But I would bet it's far away from 3.
>
>[1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/
>
>My 2 ct - as non-developer.
>
>Marcus
>
>
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Re: RC2: OLE problem?

[Marcus]

Am 14.08.2017 um 19:52 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

Using 4.1.4 RC2 (on Xubuntu 16.04.03 64 bit) and Windows 7 (in John_Ha's case) 
there seems to be a problem with OLE.

If in Writer one uses /Insert /OLE Object /
OpenOffice 4.1.4 Formula with Create New checked, a math formula will only display in the 
Writer document as "Object n".  It is always editable, but never displays as 
the actual formula.

If the formula is saved as a file, it can be inserted into a writer document using "Create 
from file" and will display, until edited, when it continues to display as "Object 
n".

One can insert multiple OLE objects from files and they each will display correctly as a formula, 
until edited.  After editing they display only as "Object n" (n is the sequential 
number).  Only the edited OLEs change to "Object", the unedited OLEs display as formulae.


at least in 4.1.3 it's still OK.

There is the setting "Tools - Options - Writer - View - Graphics and 
objects" to disable to show the object's content but only the name. This 
isn't unchecked by accident, right?


Sorry for the maybe stupid question - esecially for you as support guru. ;-)

Marcus


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Re: Weak reference helper implementations

[Marcus]

Am 14.08.2017 um 19:38 schrieb Peter kovacs:


I am going through the code, when I have little time left.


:-)


There is a lot of code I think we don't need the modern implementation should 
provide us similar functionality.


What do you mean with "modern implementation". Should newer libaries and 
frameworks we use nowadays provide this support?


Is it okay if we target to get rid of such old Code?

Btw. There is a code for a workaround of a bug from gcc version 3. Can we 
retire that Code?


Version 3 started in early 2000. A quick search in our Wiki [1] found 
only some hits and these are - surprise - very old. But I don't think 
that these are relevant any more.


I cannot lookup what the configure script is tell you as minimal version 
of gcc. But I would bet it's far away from 3.


[1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/

My 2 ct - as non-developer.

Marcus


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RC2: OLE problem?

[Rory O'Farrell]

Using 4.1.4 RC2 (on Xubuntu 16.04.03 64 bit) and Windows 7 (in John_Ha's case) 
there seems to be a problem with OLE.

If in Writer one uses /Insert /OLE Object /
OpenOffice 4.1.4 Formula with Create New checked, a math formula will only 
display in the Writer document as "Object n".  It is always editable, but never 
displays as the actual formula.

If the formula is saved as a file, it can be inserted into a writer document 
using "Create from file" and will display, until edited, when it continues to 
display as "Object n".

One can insert multiple OLE objects from files and they each will display 
correctly as a formula, until edited.  After editing they display only as 
"Object n" (n is the sequential number).  Only the edited OLEs change to 
"Object", the unedited OLEs display as formulae.

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Weak reference helper implementations

[Peter kovacs]

Hello devs,

I am going through the code, when I have little time left.
There is a lot of code I think we don't need the modern implementation should 
provide us similar functionality. 

Is it okay if we target to get rid of such old Code?

Btw. There is a code for a workaround of a bug from gcc version 3. Can we 
retire that Code?

All the best
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Availability of AOO-4.1.4 RC2

[Marcus]

Am 14.08.2017 um 17:19 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Available for immediate testing are the source tarball and
community builds of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC2.

As noted, these are Release Candidates and are not official,
GA releases, although based on testing, the could become so.
So PLEASE test these out!

You can find these gems at:

 https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/


thanks a lot - also to Matthias - for providing these builds.

I was impatient and have downloaded them already on the weekend. The 
following is what I've tested:


- Windows 10
- Fedora 21 64-bit
- AOO414m2 (build 9785) rev 1804788 - en-US

1.

Installation was fine without problems.

2.

Randomly downloaded from Internet and then opened without problems [1]:

5 files with .doc and 5 .docx
5 files with .xls and 5 .xlsx
5 files with .ppt and 5 .pptx

3.

Created documents, saved and opened them without problems:

.odt, .ods, .odp
.doc, .xls, .ppt

Then installed the langpack for "de" and opened the downloaded and 
self-created files. Again without any problems [1].


Is there anything else I should test?

[1] Of course I've not checked that everything is displayed and 
formatted correctly.


Thanks

Marcus


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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Availability of AOO-4.1.4 RC2

[Dave Fisher]

Thanks Jim!

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> 
> Available for immediate testing are the source tarball and
> community builds of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC2.
> 
> As noted, these are Release Candidates and are not official,
> GA releases, although based on testing, the could become so.
> So PLEASE test these out!
> 
> You can find these gems at:
> 
>https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/
> 
> Cheers!
> --
> Jim Jagielski
> On behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project
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[ANNOUNCE] Availability of AOO-4.1.4 RC2

[Jim Jagielski]

Available for immediate testing are the source tarball and
community builds of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC2.

As noted, these are Release Candidates and are not official,
GA releases, although based on testing, the could become so.
So PLEASE test these out!

You can find these gems at:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/

Cheers!
--
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On behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project

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