RE: Website Migrations

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello, 

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:01 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Website Migrations

> > We should proceed with great care, because some of xxx's 
> website content is of great importance in answering user 
> questions, as part of the community's voluntary support.
> 
> Certainly. This discussion is regarding these two sites:

yes. "xxx" was just a typo.

> > Will https://wiki.openoffice.org remain unchanged?
> 
> I’m not planning to be involved there, but Keith is trying to 
> reboot the documentation effort and there are currently 
> issues with some plugins ...

My question was again only about preserving important content. 
wiki.openoffice.org contains things that are important not only for us but also 
for LibreOffice (*).
_If nothing essential is changed there, we don't have to talk about it further._

(*)
e.g. the complete documentation for creating extensions is indispensable

> The website source is in SVN. The migrated website will be in 
> GIT. When we are done the SVN can be made read-only.
> 
> We can also plan cutover like this.
> 
> New site is new.openoffice.org  
> and old is www.openoffice.org .
> When ready we rename www.openoffice.org 
>  in configuration to 
> .openoffice.org  and 
> new.openoffice.org  to 
> www.openoffice.org 

That sounds like a good idea.

Would that also mean that (if "something" equals "archive") we could keep 
archive.openoffice.org permanently available? 

I'm afraid that won't be possible. But how is it technically possible to clone 
a local copy of the website from SVN? Is that even possible?

(btw: my copy of the website (also containing the wiki) has a size of 8.26 GB, 
but is not complete. The large size is due to the fact that not only html 
content, but all linked files are included.)

> > Years ago, I myself had made a copy of the complete web 
> page (www.openoffice.org) using www.httrack.com, but that did 
> not work completely. (www.openoffice.org is also not complete 
> on https://archive.org/.)
> > 
> > If a complete archiving is not possible, can we agree on a 
> binding date when the move from www.openoffice.org to the new 
> CMS will begin? 
> > Then every interested person would have the chance to 
> archive important things themselves if necessary.
> 
> Since we plan to edit out extra pages it would really help 
> for people to record via email or on the cwiki the www 
> content that they find is critical. This should be done ASAP.

Okay, that's a clear statement.
Please give me _one week (until 20.06.)_ and I will search everything from 
http://www.openoffice.org/de/ and write down in the cwiki what is important.


greetings,
Jörg


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Re: 4.2.0 on the 20th Anniversary? (was Re: Website Migrations)

[Keith N. McKenna]

Hi Pedro, Matthias, and all;
Please see comments in line

On 7/12/2020 6:08 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Pedro,
> 
> Am 13.07.20 um 00:04 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Matthias, all
>>
>>> What we must not forget is that on October 13th we have the 20
>>> anniversary of OpenOffice.org.
>>>
>>> One way or the other, we need a working website around that time.
>>>
>>> Additionally I would like to release AOO 4.1.8 and we must have a
>>> working download page for that.
>>> (Side note: At the moment I am the only volunteer for 4.1.8 but maybe
>>> others show their interest?)
I am also here Matthias along with starting the Release Notes; I have
finished a review of the next to last test build you did, and will
re-run that test against the the latest one.
>> Wouldn't it make sense to focus on 4.2.0 and make it the anniversary release 
>> 4.20th on the 20th anniversary?
>>
>> Can't we motivate the developers to focus on this common goal and fix the 
>> remaining release blockers?
> 
> The release blockers are not trivial and known for ages...
> 
> But maybe you have better luck than me (with motivating)? ;-)

Not only that, but running a search on Bugzilla looking at Issues marked
as Milestone 4.2.0 there are 267 items. That is a lot of items, some may
have been already done, others may be hanging out there unfinished for
whatever reason. With that number it should be looked at closely and
well could complicate getting a 4.2.0 Release done and we need to get a
release fairly soon to keep on track for a once a year release. The
search I use is 4.2.0Milestone and is set as shared so anyone can run it.

Regards
Keith

> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
>>
>>
>>> Am 11.07.20 um 20:48 schrieb Dave Fisher:
 Hi -

 It’s time to start the process of migrating two of our websites from the 
 deprecated Apache CMS to a new method of building. This will be a major 
 undertaking and there are several goals.

 The sites are:
 https://openoffice.apache.org/
 https://www.openoffice.org/

 We have a CWiki page for planning at 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Migrations 
 

 We have empty Git repos:
 https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project
 https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org

 The request is in to rename the “master” branch to “trunk”. These 
 repositories are currently empty.

 If someone has a “modern” design paradigm to suggest now is the time.

 If someone has suggestions for content to eliminate or move now is the 
 time.

 I’d prefer to work out new site build mechanics on the project site first.

 Regards,
 Dave
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Re: 4.2.0 on the 20th Anniversary? (was Re: Website Migrations)

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi Pedro,

Am 13.07.20 um 00:04 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
>> What we must not forget is that on October 13th we have the 20
>> anniversary of OpenOffice.org.
>>
>> One way or the other, we need a working website around that time.
>>
>> Additionally I would like to release AOO 4.1.8 and we must have a
>> working download page for that.
>> (Side note: At the moment I am the only volunteer for 4.1.8 but maybe
>> others show their interest?)
> Wouldn't it make sense to focus on 4.2.0 and make it the anniversary release 
> 4.20th on the 20th anniversary?
>
> Can't we motivate the developers to focus on this common goal and fix the 
> remaining release blockers?

The release blockers are not trivial and known for ages...

But maybe you have better luck than me (with motivating)? ;-)

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
>
>> Am 11.07.20 um 20:48 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> It’s time to start the process of migrating two of our websites from the 
>>> deprecated Apache CMS to a new method of building. This will be a major 
>>> undertaking and there are several goals.
>>>
>>> The sites are:
>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/
>>> https://www.openoffice.org/
>>>
>>> We have a CWiki page for planning at 
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Migrations 
>>> 
>>>
>>> We have empty Git repos:
>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project
>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org
>>>
>>> The request is in to rename the “master” branch to “trunk”. These 
>>> repositories are currently empty.
>>>
>>> If someone has a “modern” design paradigm to suggest now is the time.
>>>
>>> If someone has suggestions for content to eliminate or move now is the time.
>>>
>>> I’d prefer to work out new site build mechanics on the project site first.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
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4.2.0 on the 20th Anniversary? (was Re: Website Migrations)

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Matthias, all

> What we must not forget is that on October 13th we have the 20
> anniversary of OpenOffice.org.
> 
> One way or the other, we need a working website around that time.
> 
> Additionally I would like to release AOO 4.1.8 and we must have a
> working download page for that.
> (Side note: At the moment I am the only volunteer for 4.1.8 but maybe
> others show their interest?)

Wouldn't it make sense to focus on 4.2.0 and make it the anniversary release 
4.20th on the 20th anniversary?

Can't we motivate the developers to focus on this common goal and fix the 
remaining release blockers?

Regards,
Pedro


> Am 11.07.20 um 20:48 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> > Hi -
> >
> > It’s time to start the process of migrating two of our websites from the 
> > deprecated Apache CMS to a new method of building. This will be a major 
> > undertaking and there are several goals.
> >
> > The sites are:
> > https://openoffice.apache.org/
> > https://www.openoffice.org/
> >
> > We have a CWiki page for planning at 
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Migrations 
> > 
> >
> > We have empty Git repos:
> > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project
> > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org
> >
> > The request is in to rename the “master” branch to “trunk”. These 
> > repositories are currently empty.
> >
> > If someone has a “modern” design paradigm to suggest now is the time.
> >
> > If someone has suggestions for content to eliminate or move now is the time.
> >
> > I’d prefer to work out new site build mechanics on the project site first.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave

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[GitHub] [openoffice] cbmarcum commented on pull request #83: Python2718

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cbmarcum commented on pull request #83:
URL: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/83#issuecomment-657278578


   A test macro..
   
   ```python
   import sys

   def HelloVersionPython( ):
   """Prints the Python version into the current document"""
   #get the doc from the scripting context which is made available to all 
scripts
   model = XSCRIPTCONTEXT.getDocument()
   text = model.Text
   cursor = text.createTextCursor()
   text.insertString( cursor, sys.version, 0 )`
   ```



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Re: [GitHub] [openoffice] Pilot-Pirx commented on pull request #83: Python2718

[Peter]

Hi Carl,


yes, we haqve tested that a script still works.

Maybe there are some Mocrophiles with python, or if merge mail is still 
working would be nice test attempt.



all the best

Peter

Am 12.07.20 um 14:43 schrieb Carl Marcum:

Hi Peter,

On 7/11/20 10:40 AM, GitBox wrote:

Pilot-Pirx commented on pull request #83:
URL: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/83#issuecomment-657073608


    Come on, this is no rocket science!





What can use to test this after it builds?

Run a Python macro or something else?

Thanks,
Carl

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Re: Forum issues

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi all,

Am 07.07.20 um 16:58 schrieb Bidouille:
>> If I'm looking for "forum openoffice" in G**gle France
>> Among the results returned: https://forum-test.openoffice.org

I also get Google results for forum-test...

Looks ĺike a test subdomain from the forum migration that was forgotten
to be deactivated?

> I bump this issue
> This is anoying because lot of users use this wrong URL
> Is it possible to have a redirect rule to https://forum.openoffice.org 
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Re: Website Migrations

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:49 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 8:48 PM
>> To: dev
>> Subject: Website Migrations
>> 
>> Hi -
>> 
>> [...]
> 
> We should proceed with great care, because some of xxx's website content is 
> of great importance in answering user questions, as part of the community's 
> voluntary support.

Certainly. This discussion is regarding these two sites:

www.openoffice.org 
openoffice.apache.org

Graphic redesign might spill over to wiki.openoffice.org 
 and forum.openoffice.org 
 

> 
> Questions:
> --
> Will https://wiki.openoffice.org remain unchanged?

I’m not planning to be involved there, but Keith is trying to reboot the 
documentation effort and there are currently issues with some plugins ...

> 
> Is there a technical way to reliably archive the current state of the 
> www.openoffice.org website?

The website source is in SVN. The migrated website will be in GIT. When we are 
done the SVN can be made read-only.

We can also plan cutover like this.

New site is new.openoffice.org  and old is 
www.openoffice.org .
When ready we rename www.openoffice.org  in 
configuration to .openoffice.org  and 
new.openoffice.org  to www.openoffice.org 



> Years ago, I myself had made a copy of the complete web page 
> (www.openoffice.org) using www.httrack.com, but that did not work completely. 
> (www.openoffice.org is also not complete on https://archive.org/.)
> 
> If a complete archiving is not possible, can we agree on a binding date when 
> the move from www.openoffice.org to the new CMS will begin? 
> Then every interested person would have the chance to archive important 
> things themselves if necessary.

Since we plan to edit out extra pages it would really help for people to record 
via email or on the cwiki the www content that they find is critical. This 
should be done ASAP.

Thanks,
Dave

> 
> 
> greetings,
> Jörg
> 
> 
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Re: Website Migrations

[Matthias Seidel]

Hi all,

What we must not forget is that on October 13th we have the 20
anniversary of OpenOffice.org.

One way or the other, we need a working website around that time.

Additionally I would like to release AOO 4.1.8 and we must have a
working download page for that.
(Side note: At the moment I am the only volunteer for 4.1.8 but maybe
others show their interest?)

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 11.07.20 um 20:48 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> Hi -
>
> It’s time to start the process of migrating two of our websites from the 
> deprecated Apache CMS to a new method of building. This will be a major 
> undertaking and there are several goals.
>
> The sites are:
> https://openoffice.apache.org/
> https://www.openoffice.org/
>
> We have a CWiki page for planning at 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Migrations 
> 
>
> We have empty Git repos:
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org
>
> The request is in to rename the “master” branch to “trunk”. These 
> repositories are currently empty.
>
> If someone has a “modern” design paradigm to suggest now is the time.
>
> If someone has suggestions for content to eliminate or move now is the time.
>
> I’d prefer to work out new site build mechanics on the project site first.
>
> Regards,
> Dave



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Re: [GitHub] [openoffice] Pilot-Pirx commented on pull request #83: Python2718

[Carl Marcum]

Hi Peter,

On 7/11/20 10:40 AM, GitBox wrote:

Pilot-Pirx commented on pull request #83:
URL: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/83#issuecomment-657073608


Come on, this is no rocket science!





What can use to test this after it builds?

Run a Python macro or something else?

Thanks,
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RE: Website Migrations

[Jörg Schmidt]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Jörg Schmidt [mailto:joe...@j-m-schmidt.de] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:49 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Website Migrations
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] 
> > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 8:48 PM
> > To: dev
> > Subject: Website Migrations
> > 
> > Hi -
> > 
> > [...]
> 
> We should proceed with great care, because some of xxx's 
> website ...

sorry, this should mean: openoffice.org-website



Jörg


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RE: Website Migrations

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello, 

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 8:48 PM
> To: dev
> Subject: Website Migrations
> 
> Hi -
> 
> [...]

We should proceed with great care, because some of xxx's website content is of 
great importance in answering user questions, as part of the community's 
voluntary support.

Questions:
--
Will https://wiki.openoffice.org remain unchanged?

Is there a technical way to reliably archive the current state of the 
www.openoffice.org website?
Years ago, I myself had made a copy of the complete web page 
(www.openoffice.org) using www.httrack.com, but that did not work completely. 
(www.openoffice.org is also not complete on https://archive.org/.)

If a complete archiving is not possible, can we agree on a binding date when 
the move from www.openoffice.org to the new CMS will begin? 
Then every interested person would have the chance to archive important things 
themselves if necessary.


greetings,
Jörg


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