RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
> -Original Message- > From: Nagy Ákos [mailto:a...@libreoffice.ro] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 2:18 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI > > Hi, > > in LibreOffice you can choose from 6 menu types. > > If isn't attached, can view here: https://ibb.co/Ctqf8Fr don't forget to mention the highlight of the whole thing: the 6 menu types can be applied arbitrarily to single applications (so Writer other menu than Calc etc.) ... only the daily automatic menu change was forgotten ... If LO still has underutilized developers, my suggestion would be to make Calc in 3D. For example, the currently selected cell floats as a cube in slight rotation in front of the table. Not even Microsoft has something like that. The advantage is that you can start small with adjustability for rotation direction, speed, color of the surfaces and later also implement that in real time 6 videos run on the 6 cube surfaces. scnr Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
On 8/31/21 8:44 AM, Hao Wang wrote: > Thanks for introducing me to the new term Ribbon. Looks like that's what I'm > aiming for. What in particular about Ribbon? I know Microsoft did lots of studies as part of designing it; but honestly I prefer a Ribbon-less interface. IMHO, the Ribbon just adds clicks while one searches about for things without much context in each individual "Ribbon" to find stuff, making it more confusing than the previous approach which AOO continues to use. > In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a web-page > based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? AOO doesn't lend itself into that situation; however the document processing libraries for ODF do but then the major work of website design and library integration (with JavaScript/TypeScript) would still need to be done. $0.02 A lurker, Ben > > > From: J�rg Schmidt > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 5:47 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI > >> -Original Message- >> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:26 AM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI >> >> I sent this message because I have had decade-long >> experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's >> own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to >> improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. >> In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by >> Microsoft. > > With this you have wonderfully explained and justified your request, but said > exactly zero about what should be changed or improved in the OO UI. > Two of the programs mentioned (MS Office and WPS Office) have a ribbon > interface > in any case. If that is your desire for the UI, then that would be clear so > far. > >> In China it is overtaken by WPS > > possible, I don't know the situation in China > >> and in the USA by Microsoft > > No, definitely not, because MS Office has always had much higher market share > than > OpenOffice. > > In Germany, for example, OpenOffice (specifically OOo) had a share of about > 12% at > its best, while MS Office had >70%. > The situation in the USA was never very different, rather the share of OO was > a > bit smaller than in Germany. > >> Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better >> UI design can lead to much higher popularity. > > That is certainly true. > I'm just afraid that no one here is willing to put significant developer > capacity > into the UI at the moment. > More concretely, if someone would be interested in improving the UI, they > could do > it, but they have to find someone who is interested first. > > > > J�rg > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Ben Meyer Software Engineer (703)901-2797 bm_witn...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hi, are 6 menu types more "light-weightedness"? Regards Michael Am 31.08.21 um 14:18 schrieb Nagy Ákos: Hi, in LibreOffice you can choose from 6 menu types. If isn't attached, can view here: https://ibb.co/Ctqf8Fr OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hi, in LibreOffice you can choose from 6 menu types. If isn't attached, can view here: https://ibb.co/Ctqf8Fr On 2021. 08. 31. 12:26, Hao Wang wrote: I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can lead to much higher popularity. From: Jörg Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI Hello, -Original Message- From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI Dear OpenOffice devs, OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to be understood more comprehensively? I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I can't see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate something other than "ribbons". greetings, Jörg btw.: What has become of this? https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Nagy Ákos libreoffice.ro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Thanks for introducing me to the new term Ribbon. Looks like that's what I'm aiming for. In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? From: Jörg Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 5:47 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI > -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:26 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI > > I sent this message because I have had decade-long > experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's > own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to > improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. > In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by > Microsoft. With this you have wonderfully explained and justified your request, but said exactly zero about what should be changed or improved in the OO UI. Two of the programs mentioned (MS Office and WPS Office) have a ribbon interface in any case. If that is your desire for the UI, then that would be clear so far. > In China it is overtaken by WPS possible, I don't know the situation in China > and in the USA by Microsoft No, definitely not, because MS Office has always had much higher market share than OpenOffice. In Germany, for example, OpenOffice (specifically OOo) had a share of about 12% at its best, while MS Office had >70%. The situation in the USA was never very different, rather the share of OO was a bit smaller than in Germany. > Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better > UI design can lead to much higher popularity. That is certainly true. I'm just afraid that no one here is willing to put significant developer capacity into the UI at the moment. More concretely, if someone would be interested in improving the UI, they could do it, but they have to find someone who is interested first. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hi, I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in the end. Can you give examples of what you would like to change? Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important: capacity) to work on the project. Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk". Regards, Matthias Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang: > I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with > OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I > think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its > competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by Microsoft. > Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can lead to much > higher popularity. > > > From: Jörg Schmidt > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI > > Hello, > >> -Original Message- >> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI >> >> Dear OpenOffice devs, >> >> OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of >> light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. > What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to > be > understood more comprehensively? > > I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I > can't > see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. > On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate > something other than "ribbons". > > > greetings, > Jörg > > > btw.: > What has become of this? > https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
> -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:26 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI > > I sent this message because I have had decade-long > experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's > own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to > improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. > In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by > Microsoft. With this you have wonderfully explained and justified your request, but said exactly zero about what should be changed or improved in the OO UI. Two of the programs mentioned (MS Office and WPS Office) have a ribbon interface in any case. If that is your desire for the UI, then that would be clear so far. > In China it is overtaken by WPS possible, I don't know the situation in China > and in the USA by Microsoft No, definitely not, because MS Office has always had much higher market share than OpenOffice. In Germany, for example, OpenOffice (specifically OOo) had a share of about 12% at its best, while MS Office had >70%. The situation in the USA was never very different, rather the share of OO was a bit smaller than in Germany. > Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better > UI design can lead to much higher popularity. That is certainly true. I'm just afraid that no one here is willing to put significant developer capacity into the UI at the moment. More concretely, if someone would be interested in improving the UI, they could do it, but they have to find someone who is interested first. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can lead to much higher popularity. From: Jörg Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI > > Dear OpenOffice devs, > > OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of > light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to be understood more comprehensively? I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I can't see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate something other than "ribbons". greetings, Jörg btw.: What has become of this? https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI > > Dear OpenOffice devs, > > OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of > light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to be understood more comprehensively? I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I can't see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate something other than "ribbons". greetings, Jörg btw.: What has become of this? https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Dear Hao, Open Office is highly customizable. The toolbars the user does not need can be removed. To make further GUI adjustments, one can choose from 4 different icon sets and styles (Options… > View > Icon size and style). Have you used these features to their fullest potential? Regards, Aivaras 2021-08-31 10:46, Hao Wang rašė: Dear OpenOffice devs, OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. Best Regards, Hao Wang
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hello, people, who want "light-weightedness", can use OOo4Kids or help to continue it's development. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
OpenOffice needs better UI
Dear OpenOffice devs, OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. Best Regards, Hao Wang
