Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

2021-09-04 Thread Hao Wang
Should we create an Oo Lite edition that is small in size and lightweighted as 
discussed in the messages ? This is actually how WPS resurrected on the Chinese 
market. I think Oo Lite could also challenge Microsoft in Europe as well. BTW, 
a Windows edition of Oo Lite would also be a great threat to Microsoft.


From: Aivaras Stepukonis 
Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2021 6:34 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

I took a look at the screenshots and liked the Lotus icon set: very
similar to OO default, with subtly improved clarity.

Regards,

Aivaras

2021-09-04 12:05, Matthias Seidel rašė:
> Hi,
>
> Am 02.09.21 um 18:12 schrieb Guy Waterval:
>> Hello,
>>
>> @Matthias Seidel
>> Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony
>> https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/
>> They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to manage forms,
>> asw..
> Thanks!
>
> I really like some of the details...
>
> Small changes can enhance productivity while not disturbing the users.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>> Regards
>> G. Waterval
>>
>> Le jeu. 2 sept. 2021 à 16:01, Matthias Seidel 
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Am 02.09.21 um 07:52 schrieb Guy Waterval:
 Hello,

 The UI of IBM Lotus Symphony could perhaps be a source of inspiration.
>>> Not
 too far from the actual AOO UI, but with simplified menus and toolbars.
>>> Can you point me to some screenshot that show what you are thinking of?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
 Regards

 G. Waterval

 Le mar. 31 août 2021 à 13:25, Matthias Seidel <
>>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
 a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular
> "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been
> discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in
> the end.
>
> Can you give examples of what you would like to change?
>
> Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is
> very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important:
> capacity) to work on the project.
>
> Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk".
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
> Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang:
>> I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with
> OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex.
>>> I
> think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its
> competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by
> Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design
>>> can
> lead to much higher popularity.
>> 
>> From: Jörg Schmidt 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
>> Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM
>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI
>>>
>>> Dear OpenOffice devs,
>>>
>>> OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of
>>> light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy.
>> What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the
> question to be
>> understood more comprehensively?
>>
>> I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument)
> and I can't
>> see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency.
>> On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they
> mediate
>> something other than "ribbons".
>>
>>
>> greetings,
>> Jörg
>>
>>
>> btw.:
>> What has become of this?
>>
>>> https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/
>> -
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>>
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Re: [OS/2 and macOS] saving ODS with chart

2021-09-04 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi,

Just FYI, Yuri confirmed that the fix works on OS/2:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128427#c6

Thanks again, Jim!

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 27.08.21 um 16:54 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Jim, Arrigo,
>
> Am 27.08.21 um 11:24 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>> Hello Jim, All,
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 06:08:48PM +0200, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 04:34:02PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jim,

 Arrigo wrote that "it still does not work, unfortunately"
>>> Yes! Did I miss anything?
>> I did miss it! I merged AOO41X into catalina and it works!! Well done,
>> Jim!
>>
>> I must have done some mistakes when merging your changes during your
>> development. But AOO41X seems to be good after your commits.
> That's indeed good news!
>
> So it was just a misunderstanding and we are done on this behalf.
>
 Did you build Dev3 with a newer clang?

 @Yuri: Can you try to build for OS/2 with the latest AOO41X?
>>> +1
>> I am eager to hear if OS/2 is also working now!
> Yes, let's wait for Yuri to build it on OS/2. Their last release was for
> 4.1.8.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
>> Best regards.
>>
 Am 26.08.21 um 16:27 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> I believe the fix, which is universal, is already folded into the repos
>
>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 5:43 PM, Matthias Seidel 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Am 06.08.21 um 12:26 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>>> Hello Jim, All,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 01:41:23PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>>
 Never mind that one: This one is the one: THX!
>>> it still does not work, unfortunately. Quoting the rest for
>>> completeness.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> A fix would be great for OS/2.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
 diff --git a/main/comphelper/inc/comphelper/extract.hxx 
 b/main/comphelper/inc/comphelper/extract.hxx
 index dc67c5dc58..fc75fa9cb9 100644
 --- a/main/comphelper/inc/comphelper/extract.hxx
 +++ b/main/comphelper/inc/comphelper/extract.hxx
 @@ -131,9 +131,10 @@ inline sal_Bool SAL_CALL extractInterface(
 inline sal_Bool SAL_CALL any2bool( const ::com::sun::star::uno::Any & 
 rAny )
throw( ::com::sun::star::lang::IllegalArgumentException )
 {
 -  if (rAny.getValueTypeClass() == 
 ::com::sun::star::uno::TypeClass_BOOLEAN)
 +  sal_Bool sValue;
 +  if ( rAny >>= sValue)
{
 -  return *(sal_Bool *)rAny.getValue();
 +  return sValue;
}
else
{
 diff --git a/main/cppu/inc/com/sun/star/uno/Any.hxx 
 b/main/cppu/inc/com/sun/star/uno/Any.hxx
 index e1d125be82..2a38598efa 100644
 --- a/main/cppu/inc/com/sun/star/uno/Any.hxx
 +++ b/main/cppu/inc/com/sun/star/uno/Any.hxx
 @@ -251,9 +251,9 @@ inline sal_Bool SAL_CALL operator >>= ( Any const 
 & rAny, bool & value )
{
value = *reinterpret_cast< sal_Bool const * >(
  ) != sal_False;
 -  return true;
 +  return sal_True;
}
 -  return false;
 +  return sal_False;
 }

 //__
 diff --git a/main/starmath/source/mathmlexport.cxx 
 b/main/starmath/source/mathmlexport.cxx
 index 3f36ff152d..00b301d0eb 100644
 --- a/main/starmath/source/mathmlexport.cxx
 +++ b/main/starmath/source/mathmlexport.cxx
 @@ -169,9 +169,7 @@ sal_Bool SmXMLExportWrapper::Export(SfxMedium 
 )
 SvtSaveOptions aSaveOpt;
 OUString 
 sUsePrettyPrinting(RTL_CONSTASCII_USTRINGPARAM("UsePrettyPrinting"));
 sal_Bool bUsePrettyPrinting( bFlat || aSaveOpt.IsPrettyPrinting() 
 );
 -Any aAny;
 -aAny.setValue( , ::getBooleanCppuType() );
 -xInfoSet->setPropertyValue( sUsePrettyPrinting, aAny );
 +xInfoSet->setPropertyValue( sUsePrettyPrinting, 
 uno::makeAny(bUsePrettyPrinting));

 // Set base URI
 OUString sPropName( RTL_CONSTASCII_USTRINGPARAM("BaseURI") );
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 b/main/sw/source/filter/xml/wrtxml.cxx
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 --- a/main/sw/source/filter/xml/wrtxml.cxx
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SvtSaveOptions aSaveOpt;
OUString 
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sal_Bool bUsePrettyPrinting( 

Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

2021-09-04 Thread Aivaras Stepukonis
I took a look at the screenshots and liked the Lotus icon set: very 
similar to OO default, with subtly improved clarity.


Regards,

Aivaras

2021-09-04 12:05, Matthias Seidel rašė:

Hi,

Am 02.09.21 um 18:12 schrieb Guy Waterval:

Hello,

@Matthias Seidel
Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony
https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/
They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to manage forms,
asw..

Thanks!

I really like some of the details...

Small changes can enhance productivity while not disturbing the users.

Regards,

    Matthias


Regards
G. Waterval

Le jeu. 2 sept. 2021 à 16:01, Matthias Seidel 
a écrit :


Hi,

Am 02.09.21 um 07:52 schrieb Guy Waterval:

Hello,

The UI of IBM Lotus Symphony could perhaps be a source of inspiration.

Not

too far from the actual AOO UI, but with simplified menus and toolbars.

Can you point me to some screenshot that show what you are thinking of?

Regards,

Matthias


Regards

G. Waterval

Le mar. 31 août 2021 à 13:25, Matthias Seidel <

matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>

a écrit :


Hi,

I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular
"dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been
discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in
the end.

Can you give examples of what you would like to change?

Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is
very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important:
capacity) to work on the project.

Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk".

Regards,

Matthias

Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang:

I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with

OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex.

I

think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its
competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by
Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design

can

lead to much higher popularity.


From: Jörg Schmidt 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI

Hello,


-Original Message-
From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI

Dear OpenOffice devs,

OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of
light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy.

What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the

question to be

understood more comprehensively?

I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument)

and I can't

see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency.
On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they

mediate

something other than "ribbons".


greetings,
Jörg


btw.:
What has become of this?


https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/

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Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

2021-09-04 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi,

Am 02.09.21 um 18:12 schrieb Guy Waterval:
> Hello,
>
> @Matthias Seidel
> Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony
> https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/
> They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to manage forms,
> asw..

Thanks!

I really like some of the details...

Small changes can enhance productivity while not disturbing the users.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards
> G. Waterval
>
> Le jeu. 2 sept. 2021 à 16:01, Matthias Seidel 
> a écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am 02.09.21 um 07:52 schrieb Guy Waterval:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> The UI of IBM Lotus Symphony could perhaps be a source of inspiration.
>> Not
>>> too far from the actual AOO UI, but with simplified menus and toolbars.
>> Can you point me to some screenshot that show what you are thinking of?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> G. Waterval
>>>
>>> Le mar. 31 août 2021 à 13:25, Matthias Seidel <
>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>
>>> a écrit :
>>>
 Hi,

 I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular
 "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been
 discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in
 the end.

 Can you give examples of what you would like to change?

 Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is
 very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important:
 capacity) to work on the project.

 Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk".

 Regards,

Matthias

 Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang:
> I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with
 OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex.
>> I
 think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its
 competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by
 Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design
>> can
 lead to much higher popularity.
> 
> From: Jörg Schmidt 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
> Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
>
> Hello,
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI
>>
>> Dear OpenOffice devs,
>>
>> OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of
>> light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy.
> What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the
 question to be
> understood more comprehensively?
>
> I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument)
 and I can't
> see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency.
> On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they
 mediate
> something other than "ribbons".
>
>
> greetings,
> Jörg
>
>
> btw.:
> What has become of this?
>
>> https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>
>
>>



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