Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Am 06.11.21 um 21:11 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: Am 06.11.21 um 20:26 schrieb Dave Fisher: The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org I've gotten one from Marcus, but it was really empty. I've just tried to find out who the moderators of the list are. It was not working as I thought. ;-) Then I found the info via Whimsy. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
On 06/11/2021 19:26, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>
>> On Nov 6, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Dave wrote:
>>
>> On 06/11/2021 10:30, Marcus wrote:
>>> Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam
emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action
was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list
that I had specifically pointed out.
Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try
to write to another moderator and ask for help.
[1]
see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
>>>
>>> I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
>>> maybe it's a bit outdated.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>
>> I have been a moderator for some of our English lists since the
>> project's poddling days. Unfortunately, my knowledge of German is not
>> very good, so I would not be of much help for the German users list.
>>
>> I have asked before why the PMC does not wish moderators to be
>> identified, but never received any rational answer.
>
> Providing a clear identification of moderators would be a privacy challenge.
>
> The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to
> users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> Dave
Sorry to put it this way Dave, but this is the same answer that I have
had received from you and other PMC members previously.
If your statement is true, then we and the ASF have a very serious and
extreme privacy challenge here:
https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice
In my view anyone who "steps up to he plate" for ANY role in an OPEN
source project should not have any concerns about being identified a
contributor and their role that project. I am not ashamed of being
identified as a (very small, relatively unimportant) contributor to the
AOO project and I suggest that ANYONE who is wishes to adopt this
underhanded, secretive approach, should step away from the project.
Yes, my commentary will be misinterpreted by some as inflammatory, but
like Jörg I am both a supporter and critic of the AOO project.
As a separate issue, the above mentioned link is seriously in need of
review and update, because many of the people mentioned are no longer
active in, or have resigned from the positions listed. Also one person
listed regrettably passed away last month.
Regards
Dave
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hi Dave, thank you for the hints. Kind regards Michael Am 06.11.21 um 20:16 schrieb Dave Fisher: Hi Michael, To be clear this not a moderator allowing SPAM situation. This looks like a subscriber setting an auto-reply. There is a helper for moderators that should help. There are a number of options. https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper Let me know if this works for you. If you have forgotten your apache password then reset at https://id.apache.org Regards, Dave On Nov 6, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Hello Jörg, you are so right. As I remember, you were also a (co-)moderator in the past. But you resigned. Do you want to do this job another time? Kind regards Michael Am 06.11.21 um 15:35 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Hello Marcus, -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2021 1:25 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org? Am 06.11.21 um 12:36 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one. I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and rejected them. But it seems so, I got not all. There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. There was no need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for me to do such a job. I've tried to unsubscribe the mail address. But maybe it was not successful as I'm not a moderator for that list. BTW: It's the default contact address from a German bank. IMHO it is obvious that this is not really used for sending / getting mails about OpenOffice. Thank you for recognising the situation. I wrote all this to Michael by PM and got only general words in reply and no solution. Yes, I understand if Michael doesn't have time, but the problems of the lack of moderation of "users...@openoffice.apache.org" have existed for years, and for years I have been pointing it out again and again, because I don't understand why something that concerns us all is not also something where everyone's opinion should count. What is the issue? I think it's normal to run a mailing list the way mailing lists are normally run, which is that participants have to register. Where this is not respected, the mailing list is ineffective for all concerned (both questioners and helpers). I'm not saying that there shouldn't be exceptions sometimes, but that should be limited to individual cases and not become the norm. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hello, Am 06.11.21 um 20:26 schrieb Dave Fisher: The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org I've gotten one from Marcus, but it was really empty. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
> On Nov 6, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Dave wrote:
>
> On 06/11/2021 10:30, Marcus wrote:
>> Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>> following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
>>> users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam
>>> emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action
>>> was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list
>>> that I had specifically pointed out.
>>>
>>> Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try
>>> to write to another moderator and ask for help.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
>>
>> I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
>> maybe it's a bit outdated.
>>
>> Marcus
>
> I have been a moderator for some of our English lists since the
> project's poddling days. Unfortunately, my knowledge of German is not
> very good, so I would not be of much help for the German users list.
>
> I have asked before why the PMC does not wish moderators to be
> identified, but never received any rational answer.
Providing a clear identification of moderators would be a privacy challenge.
The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to
users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org
Regards,
Dave
>
> Dave
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hi Michael, To be clear this not a moderator allowing SPAM situation. This looks like a subscriber setting an auto-reply. There is a helper for moderators that should help. There are a number of options. https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper Let me know if this works for you. If you have forgotten your apache password then reset at https://id.apache.org Regards, Dave > On Nov 6, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann > wrote: > > Hello Jörg, > > you are so right. > > As I remember, you were also a (co-)moderator in the past. But you resigned. > > Do you want to do this job another time? > > Kind regards > Michael > > > Am 06.11.21 um 15:35 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >> Hello Marcus, >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] >>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2021 1:25 PM >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org? >>> >>> Am 06.11.21 um 12:36 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one. I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and >>> rejected them. But it seems so, I got not all. There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. >>> There was no need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for >>> me to do such a job. >>> >>> I've tried to unsubscribe the mail address. But maybe it was not >>> successful as I'm not a moderator for that list. >>> >>> BTW: >>> It's the default contact address from a German bank. IMHO it >>> is obvious >>> that this is not really used for sending / getting mails >>> about OpenOffice. >> Thank you for recognising the situation. I wrote all this to Michael by PM >> and got only general words in reply and no solution. >> Yes, I understand if Michael doesn't have time, but the problems of the lack >> of moderation of "users...@openoffice.apache.org" have existed for years, >> and for years I have been pointing it out again and again, because I don't >> understand why something that concerns us all is not also something where >> everyone's opinion should count. >> What is the issue? >> I think it's normal to run a mailing list the way mailing lists are normally >> run, which is that participants have to register. Where this is not >> respected, the mailing list is ineffective for all concerned (both >> questioners and helpers). >> I'm not saying that there shouldn't be exceptions sometimes, but that should >> be limited to individual cases and not become the norm. >> Jörg >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hello Jörg, you are so right. As I remember, you were also a (co-)moderator in the past. But you resigned. Do you want to do this job another time? Kind regards Michael Am 06.11.21 um 15:35 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Hello Marcus, -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2021 1:25 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org? Am 06.11.21 um 12:36 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann: I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one. I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and rejected them. But it seems so, I got not all. There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. There was no need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for me to do such a job. I've tried to unsubscribe the mail address. But maybe it was not successful as I'm not a moderator for that list. BTW: It's the default contact address from a German bank. IMHO it is obvious that this is not really used for sending / getting mails about OpenOffice. Thank you for recognising the situation. I wrote all this to Michael by PM and got only general words in reply and no solution. Yes, I understand if Michael doesn't have time, but the problems of the lack of moderation of "users...@openoffice.apache.org" have existed for years, and for years I have been pointing it out again and again, because I don't understand why something that concerns us all is not also something where everyone's opinion should count. What is the issue? I think it's normal to run a mailing list the way mailing lists are normally run, which is that participants have to register. Where this is not respected, the mailing list is ineffective for all concerned (both questioners and helpers). I'm not saying that there shouldn't be exceptions sometimes, but that should be limited to individual cases and not become the norm. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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RE: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hello Dave, > -Original Message- > From: Dave [mailto:b...@apache.org] > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2021 11:45 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org? > I have been a moderator for some of our English lists since the > project's poddling days. Unfortunately, my knowledge of German is not > very good, so I would not be of much help for the German users list. I can only describe my situation quite openly: I wrote to Michael by PM because I know him as a moderator. Unfortunately, Michael's reaction was that he felt disturbed by my PM and stressed that there were other moderators. I then wrote to dev@ again, because it needs a solution and not just nice words. > I have asked before why the PMC does not wish moderators to be > identified, but never received any rational answer. That is a very intresting observation respectivly question. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hello Michael, > -Original Message- > From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de] > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2021 12:36 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org? > > hello, > > I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one. > > I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and rejected them. > > But it seems so, I got not all. > > There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the > moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. > There was no > need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for me > to do such > a job. I wrote to you very clearly by PM (and in German) that it is about a presumed list account (i.e. a regularly registered participant in the list) who is spamming. Such emails from registered users are not submitted to the moderators at all. Or am I mistaken? Why don't you simply check whether "i...@dkb.de" is registered on the list and if so, delete this registration? It is also NOT( about a ban on which you should decide alone, but about an email address of the "Deutsche Kreditbank Aktiengesellschaft" which is obviously being misused and where the "Deutsche Kreditbank Aktiengesellschaft" would be happy if this were stopped. I have written all this, in essence, by PM, but you only make completely general statements that presumably ignore the concrete situation. (I write "presumably" because you keep secret from me whether my presumption is correct. Why I don't understand). greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Am 06.11.21 um 12:36 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:
I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one.
I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and rejected them.
But it seems so, I got not all.
There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the
moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. There was no
need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for me to do such
a job.
I've tried to unsubscribe the mail address. But maybe it was not
successful as I'm not a moderator for that list.
BTW:
It's the default contact address from a German bank. IMHO it is obvious
that this is not really used for sending / getting mails about OpenOffice.
Marcus
Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam
emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action
was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list
that I had specifically pointed out.
Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try
to write to another moderator and ask for help.
[1]
see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
hello,
I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one.
I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and rejected them.
But it seems so, I got not all.
There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the
moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. There was no
need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for me to do such
a job.
Kind regards
Michael
Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
Hello,
following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam emails would
be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action was taken, because
there is spam again from the sender on the list that I had specifically pointed
out.
Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try to write
to another moderator and ask for help.
greetings,
Jörg
[1]
see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
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Re: Project Planning page on cwiki
Am 24.10.21 um 16:27 schrieb Peter Kovacs: On 24.10.21 16:13, Arrigo Marchiori wrote: this may have been raised many other times... but why do we keep publishing release notes under the "Project Planning" cwiki page [1] when that page starts with a big warning that is only for the incubation phase? :-) I think there are a lot of old an new stuff intermixed. We have left the existing stuff as is and added the new stuff. My humble suggestion, given the fact that the section contains updated information, is to create a subpage "Incubation" and then move under it all subpages related to the incubation period. I am available to do this work, if no one else has either better ideas or good reasons not to do so. Sounds like an improvement. I have no objection. :) [1]: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Planning indeed. In the meantime outdated and it could be improved. As a first step I've deleted the warning. When you have some concret points that should be improved just tell here or start in Confluence and we can talk about it. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
On 06/11/2021 10:30, Marcus wrote:
> Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
>> users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam
>> emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action
>> was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list
>> that I had specifically pointed out.
>>
>> Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try
>> to write to another moderator and ask for help.
>>
>> [1]
>> see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
>
> I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
> maybe it's a bit outdated.
>
> Marcus
I have been a moderator for some of our English lists since the
project's poddling days. Unfortunately, my knowledge of German is not
very good, so I would not be of much help for the German users list.
I have asked before why the PMC does not wish moderators to be
identified, but never received any rational answer.
Dave
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 11:30 AM Marcus wrote:
> Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> > following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
> users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam emails
> would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action was taken,
> because there is spam again from the sender on the list that I had
> specifically pointed out.
> >
> > Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try to
> write to another moderator and ask for help.
> >
> > [1]
> > see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
>
> I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
> maybe it's a bit outdated.
>
That is the current correct list of moderators.
> Marcus
>
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam emails would
be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action was taken, because
there is spam again from the sender on the list that I had specifically pointed
out.
Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try to write
to another moderator and ask for help.
[1]
see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
maybe it's a bit outdated.
Marcus
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Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
Hello,
following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam emails would
be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action was taken, because
there is spam again from the sender on the list that I had specifically pointed
out.
Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try to write
to another moderator and ask for help.
greetings,
Jörg
[1]
see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
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