Re: [REPORT] PMC 2015-07 Private-List Activity through July

2015-08-29 Thread Phil Steitz

On 8/29/15 8:39 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
 I'd love to see a comparison with a half dozen other projects.

I would discourage any reasoning based on aggregate message counts. 
Every +1 on a PMC member VOTE counts as a message, for example.  The
thing to look carefully at is what is being discussed on the private
list.  A lot of discussion bearing on topics important to the
direction of the project is bad, bad, bad.  Healthy projects have
quiet private@ lists because pretty much everything they need to
talk about they can and do talk about on the public lists.  But
committer / PMC votes, security issues and occasional random legal
or must-be-private people-related things pop up and cause traffic
spikes when they do.  So I would not draw conclusions or do
comparisons based on message counts.  Better to compare what is
actually being discussed.

 On Aug 29, 2015 02:42, Marcus wrote:

 In any case this is too much traffic on the private mailing list.

 I would understand Dennis' mail as a wake-up call how much it is currently
 and that there is an urgent need to turn down the number of mails.


 Am 08/28/2015 11:58 PM, schrieb Phillip Rhodes:

 So what, if anything, should we take away from this?  My (completely
 superficial, naive and uninformed) feeling is that that is a LOT of
 on the private list.  But maybe not.  Anyway, is the idea here that
 should be less traffic on that list? More? The same?

 I have to admit, I've been pretty dormant for a long-time, so I'm a little
 out of touch with what's going on (gone on) here, but you have me
 with this.


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 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Dennis E.

  From an AOO PMC Member,
 I have compiled a high-level traffic analysis of discussion activity on
 the OpenOffice PMC private@ oo.a.o list.  These are *statistics* and
 noisy ones at that.  I am looking for trends that are good-enough at this
 level of precision.  It is in the nature of private@ that message
 and even the topics must be held in confidence.

 This report of gross metrics is for the community's appraisal of current
 state and later progress.  The movement of discussions to the community
 when the confidentiality requirements for PMC discussion do not apply
 should be seen in movements at this level.  Further reports over the
 of the year may provide an useful indicator.


 This is a breakdown of the traffic in the 212 days from January through
 July, 2015, by role of the sender.

  2015 | Private List Messages
 thru July | PMC  ASF  Other   All

Totals  1145  182 31  1358
   Senders22   23 2368
Per sender  52.0 7.9 1.3 20.0
   Per day   5.4  0.90.1   6.4

 Of all the messages sent,

84% are by members of the PMC,
16% are by other ASF participants, and
17% are by others.

 The ASF participants include members of Apache Infrastructure, Officers
 the ASF, and other ASF Members and staff who make posts to the private
 list.  The Other senders are members of the public and non-PMC Apache
 OpenOffice contributors that raise questions or provide information to
 PMC via private@.

 For the 1145 messages from the 22 PMC members who posted to the list so
 far this year,

49% of the messages are from the three
PMC members who were the most vocal
in the studied period.
75% of the messages are from the seven
most vocal.
91% were from the most vocal 11 of the
22 PMC members that posted.

 I confess to being one of those top three posters.


 A review of the same message archives, for January - July, 2015, tallied

   168 subjects discussed across 1341 posts,
   about 0.8 new topics per day.
 The variance of 17 from the first tally
   is negligible and will not be corrected.
   The raw data is available for auditing
   by the PMC.

   8.0 is the average number of messages on a
   single subject

5% is the portion of the overall messages
   used in the longest thread, one with
   73 messages

   50% of the messages are on the 20 longest
   discussion threads.  The shortest thread
   in that group has 18 messages.

   75% of the messages are on the 50 longest
   discussions.  The shortest threads in
   that group have 8 messages.

   90% of the messages are on the 84 longest
   discussions (i.e., half of the
   threads).  The shortest threads in
   that group have 4 messages each.

   The remaining 10% consists of 84 threads
   having 3, 2, and 1 messages each.

 This does not speak to the quality or the necessity of these messages and
 any particular thread.  The PMC has detailed 

[site] Donate via Amazon - update required

2015-06-25 Thread Phil Steitz
Hello AOO ppl,

Amazon has phased out the old Amazon Simple Pay that we used
initially to enable donations to the ASF via Amazon.  The html
snippet included on the AOO donate page [1] needs to be updated to
match what is on the main ASF donations page [2].  It looks like the
site is generated by the CMS.  I can try to update it if you all
don't mind that (and the CMS lets me do it); or someone else can do
it.  The new widget takes a little more space and is a little
goofy-looking, so it would probably be best for someone with more UI
skills than me to at least verify it.

The donations using the old code will start failing soon so we need
to get on this fairly quickly (as in the next couple of weeks). 
Sorry I did not give heads up sooner.  I did not realize that you
were maintaining a separate donations page.



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