Re: Happy Anniversary (9 years as TLP)

2021-10-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 17/10/2021 Matthias Seidel wrote:

On this day, 9 years ago Apache OpenOffice became an Apache Top Level
Project (TLP).


Thanks for the reminder... and a big thank you to those who still ensure 
the continued success of OpenOffice!


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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-03 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 30/09/2021 Jim Jagielski wrote:

 https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/

Please cast your vote:

The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:

[X] yes / +1

[ ] no / -1

My vote is based on

[X] binding (member of PMC)

[X] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [Linux-64]

[ ] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


Built en and it from .bz2 source on CentOS 7 64-bit:
- Checked the source package contents
- Some extra files in the tree, but harmless
- Error 500 for SourceForge downloads, fixed by adding the following 
line to main/solenv/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl:541 and 
main/solenv/bin/modules/ExtensionsLst.pm:483

 $agent->ssl_opts(verify_hostname => 0);

Then I've tested the resulting RPMs (it) on Linux 64 opening/saving a 
few test documents. All good.


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Re: 500 error while building during bootstrap

2021-10-03 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Andrea Pescetti wrote:

It is fixed by editing line 541 of
main/solenv/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl
so that it reads (add the middle line):

     $agent->env_proxy;
     $agent->ssl_opts(verify_hostname => 0);
     my $response = $agent->get($URL);


Additional note: if you want to bundle extensions/dictionaries too, you 
will need the same change in line 483 of

main/solenv/bin/modules/ExtensionsLst.pm

so that it reads (add the last line):
$agent->timeout(120);
$agent->env_proxy;
$agent->ssl_opts(verify_hostname => 0);

Again, this is a local workaround for those who know what they are doing.

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Re: 500 error while building during bootstrap

2021-10-03 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 02/10/2021 Pedro Lino wrote:

I can confirm that bootstrapping works as expected on my Ubuntu 18.04.6 OS


I've bumped into the same problem while building on an old CentOS 7 VM 
(but doing a clean build).


It is fixed by editing line 541 of
main/solenv/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl
so that it reads (add the middle line):

$agent->env_proxy;
$agent->ssl_opts(verify_hostname => 0);
my $response = $agent->get($URL);

This disables SSL certificate checks entirely, so of course it should be 
used only locally and only if one knows what he is doing.



There are two glitches (caused by missing MD5 files?)


The MD5 here is missing from the filename. This has always been like 
this. It would probably be possible to include an MD5 check for these 
files too, but it is nothing new.


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Re: About discrimination...

2021-08-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Persy Morell Guerra wrote:

I was trying to download form : 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.10/binaries/es/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.10_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_es.tar.gz/download


Please check whether one of the following alternative mirrors works for 
you and let us know, by replying to the "users" list only, if it doesn't.


https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.10/binaries/es/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.10_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_es.tar.gz

https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.10/binaries/es/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.10_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_es.tar.gz

We don't normally advertise the alternative links for performance reasons.

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Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode

2021-05-30 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Pedro Lino wrote:

On 05/29/2021 9:32 PM Andrea Pescetti wrote:
https://remixicon.com/


This one is really interesting! Can you share the links to other 
projects that you have found?


FontAwesome https://fontawesome.com/license/free is really popular and 
CC-BY (but recent versions include a "Pro" section that may have 
different terms).


Google's Material Design Icons ... are 
AL2, come in different styles and, although the set is already quite 
comprehensive, are extended by community projects.


I copy-pasted the same link twice... the correct link to Google's 
Material Design Icons is https://fonts.google.com/icons


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Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode

2021-05-30 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Pedro Lino wrote:

On 05/29/2021 9:32 PM Andrea Pescetti wrote:
https://remixicon.com/


This one is really interesting! Can you share the links to other projects that 
you have found?


FontAwesome https://fontawesome.com/license/free is really popular and 
CC-BY (but recent versions include a "Pro" section that may have 
different terms).


Google's Material Design Icons https://fontawesome.com/license/free are 
AL2, come in different styles and, although the set is already quite 
comprehensive, are extended by community projects.


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Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode

2021-05-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Pedro Lino wrote:

On 05/28/2021 10:27 PM Andrea Pescetti wrote:
In short, a possible explanation should be: we were carrying GPL icons
and deleted them due to license incompatibility, but in the meantime,
and independently, those icons had been relicensed to avoid excessive
restrictions; so they might be allowed now...

so I think we can use them again.


Just a note: if I recall correctly, removing Tango had side effects and 
further fixes were needed. I am not sure whether this is the second 
commit mentioned in

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119096#c5
or something that came later, so one should investigate a bit in case 
(the last version of) Tango has to be restored.



As for having "something nicer" that would require a voluntary designer


Tango ended their efforts in 2009. Several other, more modern, icon 
projects are available, like

https://remixicon.com/
(Apache License AL2, latest update July 2020). They are monochrome, so 
they might work better in dark mode.


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Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode

2021-05-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 28/05/2021 Dave Fisher wrote:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119096

If the concern is a GPL build tool that we do not distribute (that is allowed) 
and what we distribute is PD w/ a Notice request then I don’t see any issue.


The concern, by reading comment 3 in the issue,
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119096#c3
was about the license of the SVG files themselves.

And indeed anyone can check the commits in the issue and open, e.g.,
https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/ooo_custom_images/tango/res/lx03216.svg?revision=1162288=co=1302866
and then the source to see the GPL reference mentioned by Herbert (hdu) 
in the issue:


http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/; />

Now, it could be that icons were relicensed after they became part of 
OpenOffice. While Wikipedia is definitely not a trusted source, it talks 
about a public domain relicensing in 2009 due to the original terms 
being too restrictive.


I tried opening an SVG from
http://tango.freedesktop.org/releases/tango-icon-theme-0.8.90.tar.gz
and indeed I can't see the GPL reference in the SVG any longer.

In short, a possible explanation should be: we were carrying GPL icons 
and deleted them due to license incompatibility, but in the meantime, 
and independently, those icons had been relicensed to avoid excessive 
restrictions; so they might be allowed now, even though we may want to 
find something nicer than Tango.


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Re: [Bugzilla] Increase Linux baseline to CentOS 6

2021-05-01 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127513
Should this Issue not be adjusted?


Yes, a few years passed in the meantime and indeed now CentOS 7 would be 
a better choice than CentOS 6, with maintenance guaranteed until June 2024.


https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product

Of course it doesn't have to be CentOS, but for sure CentOS 6 doesn't 
make sense any longer; I think we can just close the issue.


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Apache OpenOffice FOSDEM devroom tomorrow (online)

2021-02-05 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Tomorrow (Saturday) we are at FOSDEM all day, European time.

Full schedule and links (top right):

https://fosdem.org/2021/schedule/track/apache_openoffice/

Talks are pre-recorded but we have live Questions and Answers in Matrix; 
also, Dave had issues with recording his videos, so the web 
presentations will be turned into BOFs; you'll find all links in the 
page above.


Time is Brussels time, or CET time zone. For conversion see:

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/belgium/brussels

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Re: Keep issues@ in bug reports [Was: Request for Bugzilla karma]

2021-01-30 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Marcus wrote:

Am 26.01.21 um 22:57 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
Maybe you can find something in the Bugzilla configuration that 
defines the default QA contact? ...
Sorry, not in BZ itself. I've looked into the admin settings but cannot 
find a suitable option.


I believe our old (and I don't know how old!) configuration was using 
these settings:

https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/2.18/html/components.html

"The Owner, QA Contact, and Reporter will get email when new bugs are 
created in this Component and when these bugs change. Default Owner and 
Default QA Contact fields dictate the default assignments".


Now, I've never administered Bugzilla so I have no idea where one can 
set those (or even if this is enabled in our current instance), but if 
that can help...


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[DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Release macOS community builds AOO 4.1.9-RC1 as GA

2021-01-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Jim Jagielski wrote:

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the complimentary community builds of
macOS Apache OpenOffice 4.1.9-RC1 as GA.


I won't be able to test on a Mac but, in case I ask others to check, 
they should make sure the following bug is fixed, right?


https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128426

Anything else to be checked in this rebuild?

(and by the way... thanks a lot Jim for being a Release Manager once again!)

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Re: Keep issues@ in bug reports [Was: Request for Bugzilla karma]

2021-01-26 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Marcus wrote:
IMHO we just ned to make sure that isues@ is either the assignee - this 
works as long as nobody is taking over the issue for working on it - or 
it's in the CC list. Then every update on the issue will be posted to 
issues@.


Even though I can't really find it in older issues like
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125000
(so I might remember something wrong) I believe we had some Bugzilla 
configuration that would set the QA Contact to issues@ by default. This 
way we didn't have any strange tricks to do when taking/assigning an 
issue, as the QA Contact is a separate field.


Maybe you can find something in the Bugzilla configuration that defines 
the default QA contact? I believe this address receives notifications 
too, so setting it to issues@ would solve the problem.


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Re: Request for Bugzilla karma

2021-01-24 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 19/01/2021 Peter Kovacs wrote:

On 18.01.21 21:24, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

I am subscribed with my own e-mail address and I would like to assign
bug 128424 to myself.

Is it possible to keep iss...@openoffice.apache.org in the loop? ...
If you just assig the issue to you I think we will not receive any 
notifications


You are right, and this should be fixed.

I believe that the issues mailing list is meant to receive notifications 
for any bug changes. But it seems the latest changes to

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126369
(which was assigned to me even if Matthias did the work... thank you!)
were not sent to the issues list:
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?iss...@openoffice.apache.org:2020-12

If I recall correctly, we relied on a "trick" that would set the "QA 
contact" field for any new issues to the issues mailing list. Even if 
the assignee is changed, the "QA contact" is not reset and this meant 
the issues list received all notifications.


But I don't see it set even for issues recently created such as
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128420

Is there any Bugzilla configuration that must be fixed?

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Re: Check for English spelling extension updates broken?

2021-01-21 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 21/01/2021 Pedro Lino wrote:

Please let me know if it works; if it does, I will then revert it and
republish only after 4.1.9 is out ...

It is fixed indeed (although I get 2 notifications for that extension, but one 
problem at a time!). Thanks!


OK, thank you for checking. I've now reverted the fix and we'll go live 
with a more complete version when people will have upgraded to 4.1.9.



if an extension author submits a new version does s/he have permission to do 
that manual update or s/he has to request someone to do it?


Extensions authors cannot trigger the update. Site moderators can (and 
probably should) do it once in a while as a routine task. The worst 
period is for sure when you are close to a release and the few weeks 
after a release, since before the release you might be downloading a 
newer version than the one coming with the release (like: if a bundled 
extension was updated yesterday, 4.1.9 would contain an older extension 
version than the one people would download today).


But when we are not in proximity of a release, we can trigger the update 
perhaps once a month; fact is, the process I could find is still 
cumbersome and requires shell commands to be run, so until we streamline 
it it won't be run very frequently. And I would be against fully 
automating it as some anti-spam checks might be needed, even though spam 
is a problem on the Templates site much more than the Extensions site.


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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.9-RC1 as GA

2021-01-21 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 18/01/21 Jim Jagielski wrote:

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary community builds 
of
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.9-RC1 as GA.


The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:

 [X] yes / +1

 [ ] no / -1

My vote is based on

 [X] binding (member of PMC)

 [X] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ Linux64 ]

 [ ] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]

- Built on CentOS 7 64-bit, it/en, RPM/DEB/installed
- Tested the resulting DEBs (it) on Ubuntu 20.04
- checked LICENSE and NOTICE files
- checked that the .bz2 and .gz versions of the source package match

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Re: Check for English spelling extension updates broken?

2021-01-21 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 20/01/2021 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

I think we can fix it. Let me give it a try tomorrow.


I believe it's fixed now (limited to the specific case of the English 
dictionary; I had to find some workarounds so I enabled only that 
extension for testing).


Please let me know if it works; if it does, I will then revert it and 
republish only after 4.1.9 is out (or users will be confused by the 
double update; this is exactly the reason for the update to be manual by 
the way).


Before:

$ curl -s 
https://extensions.openoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update | 
grep -A1 org.openoffice.en.hunspell.dictionaries




After:

$ curl -s 
https://extensions.openoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update | 
grep -A1 org.openoffice.en.hunspell.dictionaries




To check: in OpenOffice, check for Extensions Updates (not OpenOffice 
updates) and see whether this prompts you with an updated English 
dictionary to be downloaded (with a web browser, not within OpenOffice) 
and installed.


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Re: OS2 code

2021-01-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 18/01/2021 Steve Lubbs wrote:

So it seems that OS2 is not supported by the AOO project.


Correct.


I assume that the AOO project is not updating the OS2 code.


Wrong (well, kind of...). Yuri Dario is an Apache committer too; and we 
did incorporate the last changes he did into our source code; and if he 
contributes further changes, we will probably incorporate them again.


Still, OS/2 is "unsupported" because we cannot guarantee official 
releases and testing coverage. There are other situations where this 
could happen. For example, we release ~40 languages but we have partial 
translations for many more, see

https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=openoffice.git;a=tree;f=extras/l10n/source;hb=HEAD
and one might want to build and distribute OpenOffice in an 
"unsupported" language, which eventually can become "supported" if the 
person contributes back and helps complete the translation.


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Re: Check for English spelling extension updates broken?

2021-01-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 20/01/2021 Matthias Seidel wrote:

Am 20.01.21 um 00:47 schrieb Pedro Lino:

 On 01/19/2021 5:38 PM Matthias Seidel wrote:
 In this case it looks for the feed on the SourceForge server. My guess is, 
that these feeds are not generated anymore.
 I don't know if this was an automatic or a manual process.


Generation is automated, but go-live is manual. And this seems to have 
been forgotten...



you will be notified to update to 2017.05.01 ...

That's the real issue. The feed (at least for the English dictionary) is
outdated.


I think we can fix it. Let me give it a try tomorrow.

The relevant feed is described here:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/website/update_feed
but the URL in our case is slightly different; you find it in your local 
versionrc (version.ini on Windows?) file and it should point (after 
redirection) to

https://extensions.openoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update

As you can verify by downloading it, the feed is there but it was last 
updated in June 2017 indeed.


What I can do tomorrow is: I can check whether our (site moderator) 
access is enough to push the updated feed live; and I'll document it 
internally in case.


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Re: AOO 4.1.9 Info

2021-01-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 13/01/2021 Carl Marcum wrote:

On 1/10/21 4:09 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
and, still on the wiki, there is also a more complete dump of the 
former Testlink cases that I cannot find right now.

Maybe these?
https://www.openoffice.org/qa/testcase/


Indeed, thanks! To be precise, the first link on that page leads you to
https://www.openoffice.org/qa/testcase/ManualTesting/
which is the "dump of former Testlink cases" I referred to. So it's not 
on the Wiki; it is on the main website.


I notice that some like
https://www.openoffice.org/qa/testcase/ManualTesting/AOOTest-107_PureText-Character_Color.html
have a notice saying "Execution Type: Automated" and there is a filename 
for an "Automation script" in Java but I doubt this has anything to do 
with the automated tests you refer to. I honestly have no idea where the 
Java files can be.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] add an unsubscribe/help footer to recruitment ML

2021-01-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 10/01/2021 Peter Kovacs wrote:

On 10.01.21 23:42, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
But we should also be more proactive and remove people when they ask 
for it on the list: Whimsy https://whimsy.apache.org/ ...

The moderators are Patricia, Andrea and Marcus.


I confirm that indeed I use Whimsy to help people unsubscribe the 
recruitment list when their intention is clear and when they are 
confused about how to do it. I hope the new footer will help limit these 
cases.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] add an unsubscribe/help footer to recruitment ML

2021-01-10 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 09/01/2021 Carl Marcum wrote:

It seems we get a lot of unsubscribe requests to the recruitment@ ML.
I propose we add a unsubscribe footer to that list like we have with 
dev@ and some others.


+1 and Infra can indeed add it.

But we should also be more proactive and remove people when they ask for 
it on the list: Whimsy https://whimsy.apache.org/ has a handy "Helper 
for mailing list moderators" tool that allows moderators to unsubscribe 
people when our "self-service subscribe, self-service unsubscribe" 
policy doesn't work.


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Re: [proposal} Trying to re-generate the Documentation effort

2021-01-10 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

https://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#GPL

I was a bit confused myself when I first read it, but why post it on an
ASF FAQ site if it doesn't grant reciprocity?


Because, if I recall correctly, back at the time the two Foundations 
worked together in order to achieve compatibility (which of course can 
only go one way: the GPL puts more restrictions, so it's impossible to 
use GPL code in Apache releases).


And by the way, the entire GPL discussion is useless since the wiki 
contents will never go in a release anyway, as Dave pointed out. So 
people touting the "compatibility" are misunderstanding or trolling.


Fact is, unless one has something personal against other open-source 
licenses, people can perfectly work on documentation that is not under 
ALv2 (or that is under ALv2 only for the new sections) on the wiki. 
Unlike other Foundations, the ASF is rather liberal, or unopinionated, 
about other licenses, provided the deliverables are never part of a 
release; we never included user guides with releases, so I think we are 
fine and I agree with the "narrow" interpretation of the word "release" 
as defined in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-552


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Re: AOO 4.1.9 Info

2021-01-10 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 05/01/2021 Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

I tried to ask if there is a procedure to follow for testing [1].
Do we have any? I can follow it for the Italian builds.


Things are very different depending on whether one is testing a dev 
build or a release candidate.


A list of manual tests close to the "checklist" you were looking for can 
be found here (and these apply to all builds):


https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestCases/#AOO_3.4_General_Testing_Test_Cases

and, still on the wiki, there is also a more complete dump of the former 
Testlink cases that I cannot find right now.


A RC (Release Candidate), instead, is very different. We ship both the 
source code and convenience binaries, but the Apache release process 
focuses mostly on legal checks to be done on the source code.


Details about voting on a RC:
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html

An example of OpenOffice RC testing (this is what I usually do; but 
other people run different tests):

https://s.apache.org/openoffice-416-tests

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Re: Policy to deal with old web content - Archiving pages?

2020-12-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 22/12/2020 Jörg Schmidt wrote:

my personal opinion is very simple:
for me it would be enough to archive a static copy of the current state of the 
web pages, a history is not needed (in my opinion).


This is what we get by using SVN/GIT (for static content, like the main 
OpenOffice.org site). And I believe this is enough to our preservation 
purposes.


For mwiki we have templates and that is probably fine; but maybe we can 
find a way (with appropriate plugins) to inject "[OUTDATED]" into the 
HTML "title" tag of relevant pages, so that people who use search 
engines will not be misled into outdated pages.


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Re: MWiki Developer Guide Blank Pages

2020-12-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 17/12/2020 Carl Marcum wrote:

I think I've fixed the blank pages problem in the Developer Guide.


...and I think I've read all the MWiki-related mails sent to this list 
by now, so I'll answer!


Thank you guys for fixing the long-standing bug.

I documented, back at the time, the MWiki setup in the infrastructure 
repository (access restricted):

https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/trunk/docs
This may be useful to know for people who have server access - look into 
"services".


This is just a beginning though (hopefully!), as the "Andrea's mail" 
from 2019 that was found by Matthias was indeed a plan that still holds. 
Most importantly, we'll need to update the Mediawiki engine to a more 
recent version and update all third-party plugins on one side, and our 
custom components (skin, custom extensions) on the other one. And this 
time I'd like the entire process to be automatically tested and to have 
a less painful process for the local environment setup - as we'll want 
to test everything locally first.


It's going to be a lot of work, but feasible - the aim is also to make 
infrastructure modernizations that will allow us to update much more 
easily in future.


I'll catch up with server changes and then I'll post an updated plan in 
early January, which means next week.


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Re: Call for Proposals: Apache OpenOffice Devroom at FOSDEM 2021 (online)

2020-12-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Last call: don't be shy! Let's take FOSDEM as an occasion for an overall 
"state of the project" where we inform each other on the current status 
and ways forward.


All talks will be pre-recorded as Peter wrote, so no problem with 
timezones; but after each talk we will have a live "questions and 
answers" session for community talk.


Suggestions of what could be added for a more complete schedule (I won't 
add names, but if you recognize yourself in the description please go 
ahead and file a proposal immediately, as the schedule will need to be 
defined on 31 Dec; see https://s.apache.org/openoffice-fosdem-2021-cfp 
for details).


- Releases: How we do them, possible improvements, what's coming in 4.2.0

- Recruitment: ideas on how to improve it

- History of a first contribution (issues with documentation, with first 
build, filing patches)


- Build system migration

- MWiki current status

- Reviewing patches on Github: our policies for testing, merging...

- Website migrations away from CMS (I see a proposal by Dave, but I read 
it as an overview of our ancillary sites, not the two that were moved 
away from the CMS; the migration itself would be an interesting topic 
for another presentation).


- whatever you feel presenting; and no problem if it is more questions 
than answers.


Important: please make sure you file your presentation/event in the 
"Apache OpenOffice" track, as otherwise it will be easy for us to miss 
it when preparing the final schedule.


Answering to Matthias below:

Wouldn't it be useful to have a link to the CfP also here:
https://fosdem.org/2021/schedule/tracks/


Yes, I sent it to FOSDEM just a few minutes after sending it here, then 
I sent it the week after that... but apparently it was stuck in some 
anti-spam filter until I let them notice again and then they published 
the link. They fixed it about two weeks ago.


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Call for Proposals: Apache OpenOffice Devroom at FOSDEM 2021 (online)

2020-12-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti

## Call for Proposals

We are happy to announce that we will be running an Apache OpenOffice 
Devroom again at FOSDEM 2021.


The event will be held online on Saturday, February 6th, 2021. 
Participation is free. No registration required.


We are now open to receiving proposals for content for a full day of 
talks, demos and discussions on and around Apache OpenOffice.


## Important dates

- Submission deadline: Monday Dec 28th 2020
- Schedule announcement: Thursday December 31st 2020
- Devroom date: Saturday Feb 6th 2021

## Topics

Anything related to Apache OpenOffice is welcome:

- Technical talks about Apache OpenOffice itself
- Apache OpenOffice stories, demos and tutorials
- Talks about topics related to Apache OpenOffice (ODF, build tools, 
translation tools, community...) may be submitted too


## Submissions

Submissions are easy: basically just a talk title and short description.

Visit https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM21

- If you do not have an account from previous years, create one
- Click 'Create Event'
- Enter your talk details
- Enter a maximum duration of 45 minutes
- Be sure to select the Apache OpenOffice Devroom track
- Submit

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FOSDEM 2021 Apache OpenOffice devroom (online)

2020-11-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Good news: FOSDEM organizers decided to allocate an entire day for 
Apache OpenOffice next year.


https://fosdem.org/2021/schedule/tracks/

It is now tentatively scheduled for February 6th, online, free 
attendance; talks will have to be pre-recorded.


I see this as an opportunity for a larger-than-usual gathering, since 
it's online and everybody will be able to attend and talk. An own 
devroom means an entire day available for Apache OpenOffice talks, so it 
will be an occasion for many people to speak and I encourage everybody 
to apply (a call for talks is coming by next weekend).


Of course I had restated the availability for a shared Open Document 
Editors devroom, but apparently the logistics this year allowed 
organizers to give us a dedicated event.


More news as soon as FOSDEM organizers distribute them.

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Re: Delete the mailing list general-es

2020-11-21 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 20/11/2020 Marcus wrote:
the last mail seems to be from June 2020 [1]. Do you really think that 
deleting the mailing list is a disservice? ;-)

For me it's obvious that there is no longer a purpose.
[1] 
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?general...@openoffice.apache.org:2020-6


This is not a very important indicator: if you look at the Italian 
mailing list, traffic is just occasional in certain periods, but new 
releases are announced and when I needed a volunteer to help with 
website translations for 4.1.8 I promptly found help there. So the list 
is still useful while it may well happen that in a given month it 
doesn't receive messages.


Shutting down a list breaks a link between some (many?) users and the 
OpenOffice project. If, instead, we switch the list -and other 
low-activity lists- to "members only" mode, the moderator will have just 
minimal activity and conversation can be started at any time (and of 
course new members can join by self-subscribing as usual).


Note that I'm also writing this as moderator of a couple lists: I would 
definitely be for switching them to "members only" to limit the amount 
of useless mails delivered to the moderator. The current model doesn't 
improve communication at all over the "members only" model.


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Re: Delete the mailing list general-es

2020-11-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 17/11/2020 Marcos Delgado wrote:

Hello, I am in charge of the list and I want to remove it. 99% of
emails are spam. And I see no case to continue maintaining it.


Who are the other moderators of that list?

Would you be fine with converting it to a "subscription required" list, 
i.e., any time a non-member posts to the list the message is rejected 
with a notice to the sender that she must subscribe to post?


I'm asking since this approach reduces moderation activity to a minimum 
and it allows to keep the list alive even if traffic is occasional, so 
we wouldn't do any disservice to users. We might have other lists in the 
same situation.


Note: I assume that "99% spam" means: out of all the e-mails that are 
delivered to moderators for approval, 99% is spam. If you mean that 99% 
of the e-mails that reach the list audience is spam, then it's a 
different issue.


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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories

2020-11-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Dave Fisher wrote:

www.openoffice.org is switched over!


Thank you! I've taken a look at the Italian site and:

- Redirect from http://it.openoffice.org is still handled correctly

- Some CSS is broken in the Italian site menu (most notably for already 
clicked links); here it would be useful to have a copy of the last CMS 
build around, to inspect the differences


- I appreciate the removal of build.log from notification e-mails: too 
long to be useful


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Re: How to create a child page in Apache OpenOffice Community space (cwiki)?

2020-11-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Dave Fisher wrote:

If you start here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.8
All you need to do is press Create child page


Actually, what I usually do is to copy the page; the Copy function asks 
what page to use as parent and there one can specify the original page 
as parent. This allows in-line translation which is often faster.


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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories

2020-11-16 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 15/11/2020 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

yes for openoffice-project, not yet for openoffice-org.


I'm changing this to a "yes" for both sites after the recent changes. 
Both sites are now almost identical to their CMS counterpart. Well done!


One thing I'd appreciate, but this goes off-topic, is better 
notifications: I got a few e-mails yesterday containing 7 MBytes of logs 
each and it is almost impossible to use them for monitoring.


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Re: downloads.html page is down?

2020-11-16 Thread Andrea Pescetti

John D'Orazio wrote:

It's online again, I guess it was a temporary glitch. I had refreshed
cache, in any case it's back now.


Actually the entire site is down (intermittently) for me too. Note that 
I mean, exactly as in your mail, the project site 
https://openoffice.apache.org not the product site openoffice.org.


$ curl https://openoffice.apache.org


404 Not Found

Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server.


Upon further testing, the above happens randomly, but if I try ten times 
I always manage to get at least one "404 Not Found", while it works the 
other times.


$ host openoffice.apache.org
openoffice.apache.org has address 95.216.24.32
openoffice.apache.org has address 95.216.26.30
openoffice.apache.org has address 40.79.78.1
openoffice.apache.org has IPv6 address 2a01:4f9:2a:1a61::2
openoffice.apache.org has IPv6 address 2a01:4f9:2a:185f::2
openoffice.apache.org mail is handled by 10 mx1-he-de.apache.org.
openoffice.apache.org mail is handled by 10 mx1-ec2-va.apache.org.

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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories

2020-11-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

Yes for openoffice-project.
openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out before.


Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for 
openoffice-org.


The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also, 
openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep 
the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built 
site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks.


Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab
that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html
(three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is 
important), and this is already making quite a difference.


If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully, 
openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days.


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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information

2020-11-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Marcus ha scritto:

Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Matthias Seidel wrote:

By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after
the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really
looks good for production.


Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space
between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download
page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big.


right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are 
visible changes.


Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean 
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not 
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet.


And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the 
"old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an 
easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There 
would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the current 
https://openoffice.apache.org too.


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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information

2020-11-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf

I'll regenerate it from the standard template, just in case something
changed there too.

Please update it in the new repository.


Pushed. The template had indeed been updated (references to the Apache 
License) and the content is also current now, including references to 
the Git repository.


By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after the 
migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really looks 
good for production.


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Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error

2020-11-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

Implementing it in AOO takes time, so we should concentrate on making
the "error" message more logical.


Now:
This document was created by a newer version of OpenOffice. It may 
contain features not supported by your current version.


Suggested:
This document uses an unsupported version of the Open Document Format. 
Some features may not be displayed correctly.


Samples are available at 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 for those who need 
them. Of course, we will need two different issues, one for the error 
message (relatively quick fix) and one for the ODF 1.3 support (much 
larger work).


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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information

2020-11-14 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Dave Fisher wrote:

The file in question is here:
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf


You can leave further updates to this file to me for this weekend. I'll 
regenerate it from the standard template, just in case something changed 
there too.


I mean I'll update the copy in the new repository, not the online one: 
if I got it correctly, we don't have a process for bringing all updates 
from the old infrastructure (which is still writable, right?) to the new 
one, so I will push to the new repositories only.


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Re: [OPINION VOTE] CentOS7 or Ubuntu 14.04

2020-11-10 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

AppImage and Snap packages would be the best, as those are multi-distro,
portable apps, do desktop integration, user friendly, standard
uninstallation, etc.


I'm singling this out as this is a different discussion, related to how 
we package rather than how we build. I must say I quite agree with this 
and my main concern is that this approach is rather "modern" for our 
baseline.


For sure we can't add yet another Linux packaging; and before replacing 
the current packaging (which must be done in some way for 4.2.0, anyway) 
we'd need to ensure we are not restricting compatibility too much.


AppImage might have a slight edge here.

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Re: [OPINION VOTE] CentOS7 or Ubuntu 14.04

2020-11-10 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Jim Jagielski wrote:

Cast your vote:
   [X]   CentOS7
   [ ]   Ubuntu 14.04
   [ ]   Something else: 


CentOS 7 builds will run under Ubuntu 13.x too. While CentOS 7 32-bit 
would be unsupported, the 64-bit version would receive maintenance until 
2024; Ubuntu 14.04, instead, is already unsupported both in 32-bit and 
64-bit.


EPEL unavailability for 32-bit might be an issue though.

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Re: upgrade notifications once we release 4.2.0

2020-11-10 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Jim Jagielski wrote:

I am 100% still supportive of my original decision to baseline CentOS7 for the 
4.2.x community builds. I see no reason to change that.


I fully agree. Building on CentOS 5 is extremely hard these times, and 
one would have to replace the system SSL libraries just to download 
build dependencies. CentOS 6, as Carl reported, won't be supported any 
longer by the time we release 4.2.0. And CentOS 7 is a good choice.


I don't think that providing additional "CentOS 5 - compatible" 4.2.0 
builds would help users. Many of our Linux builds just take space on the 
download servers, and we should aim at fixing this disproportion (a lot 
of space for rarely downloaded files) rather than increase it. But I'll 
keep this for another discussion.


Also, any CentOS 5 desktop user in 2020 is experiencing lots of 
issues... I honestly doubt one can even browse the Internet in some 
reasonably sane way without having to rebuild lots of software. So all 
CentOS 5 users are probably already struggling just to have a normal 
desktop experience.


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Re: Pre-release commit messages

2020-11-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 05/11/2020 Matthias Seidel wrote:

Am 05.11.20 um 22:55 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

This is a restriction/limitation of 'svn'... you cannot move one dir to another 
between repos:
 
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/308115/copy-folder-of-svn-repository-to-a-folder-in-another-repository

The last time I moved the dir I was able to do it with a single move. I
think that was with AOO 4.1.6.


I think it was the same for me with 4.1.2. Infra was even advertising at 
the time that one needed a single "svn mv" to release. If there is a way 
to go back to this convention, I believe this would be better for 
accountability: the release becomes an "atomic" operation and if 
something goes wrong it cannot be missed.


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Pre-release commit messages

2020-11-05 Thread Andrea Pescetti
A request to improve readability of pre-release commit messages: would 
it be possible to svn mv a directory (or a set of directories) instead 
of the single files?


Looking at
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?comm...@openoffice.apache.org
there are 33 pages of mails for Linux/Mac that make it quite hard to see 
if a language got skipped or something.


On the contrary, Windows commits are grouped 5 languages at a time and 
the log is quite readable; but even 1 commit per language, as opposed to 
1 commit per file, would significantly improve readability.


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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.8-RC2 as GA

2020-11-05 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 02/11/20 Jim Jagielski wrote:

Please cast your vote:

The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:

   [X] yes / +1

   [ ] no / -1

My vote is based on

   [ ] binding (member of PMC)

   [X] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [Linux 64]

   [ ] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


Built (install+DEB+RPM) on CentOS 7 from the .tar.bz2 source package, 
Italian version.


Quickly tested on Ubuntu 20.04.

I don't have time for further testing until the weekend, but I'll test 
on more systems soon.


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Re: 4.1.8-RC3

2020-11-01 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Pedro Lino wrote:

Then it makes sense to at least change the tutorial at oo.org or even switch to 
the apt command below?


I always install with apt when I test on Ubuntu:

$ sudo apt install ./*.deb ./desktop-integration/*.deb

but I think apt is the recommended tool "only" since Ubuntu 16.04, so 
dkpg is more ubiquitous on Debian/Ubuntu. Still, switching to the 
one-line dpkg version


$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb desktop-integration/*.deb

might make sense in general as it is faster and easier; the (probably 
few) people who want to install without desktop integration should be 
able to easily guess how to do it.


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Re: 4.1.8-RC3

2020-10-31 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Pedro Lino wrote:

On 10/30/2020 10:29 PM Andrea Pescetti wrote:
$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb desktop-integration/*deb


I don't see why that would have different results. 


Because the conflict you were seeing was due to a file being moved from 
a .deb to another one; with the 3 steps dpkg cannot gather this 
information and it will warn you that file XYZ belongs to a package you 
are not going to upgrade (you will do it in the third step, but dpkg 
cannot know you are going to do it); if you do it all in one step, dpkg 
is able to know that you are going to update all packages.


This isn't the best explanation, but if you re-read
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127774
it should be clearer.


The point is that all tutorials on the internet (including at oo.org) use the 3 
steps.


Tutorials use the 3 steps because historically there have been multiple 
packages in desktop-integration and you are supposed to use only one of 
them. I think the current DEB packages have only one, so


$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb desktop-integration/*.deb

will just pick it and work. RPM still have more than one, at least if I 
recall correctly.



Is there an apt command to do this? I can't find it in any tutorial.


Simply

$ apt install ./*.deb ./desktop-integration/*.deb

(prefixing with "./" forces it to use local packages, even though it 
will say it is "downloading" them).


While we tend to ship a self-contained set as much as possible, apt will 
do everything dpkg does (as it simply calls dpkg under the hood) plus 
downloading any needed dependencies.


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Re: 4.1.8-RC3

2020-10-30 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Pedro Lino wrote:

Just recompiled AOO 4.1.8 on another Ubuntu 18.04.5 x64 without issues.
Installing 4.1.8 over 4.1.7 end with error reported 2 years ago
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127774


It might be hard to try again in the same conditions, but isn't this 
fixed by running the update in one shot?


$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb desktop-integration/*deb

Actually you would probably do it (both installs, 4.1.7 and 4.1.8) with 
apt and not dpkg on any reasonably modern Ubuntu...


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Re: QA Automated Test coverage

2020-10-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

Maybe the following link helps?
https://www.openoffice.org/qa/testcase/index.html


Indeed, this section
https://www.openoffice.org/qa/testcase/ManualTesting/
seems to contain at least some of the recent (2012) testcases. So one 
could use this as a basis if we want to restart manual tests.


Just for clarity, the subject refers to "automated" tests but I was 
replying to the items concerning manual tests. On the other hand, 
automated tests are definitely important; I'm just not familiar at all 
with automated tests in OpenOffice.


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Re: building from a source tarball

2020-10-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Don Lewis wrote:

On 28 Oct, Jim Jagielski wrote:

In particular, this is when building from the "official" SRC_RELEASE
tarball we provide. Is the inc/reporevision.lst file not included?


It is in one of the RCs that I looked at.


I don't have full information, but as I was the one who reported the 
issue...


I concluded that (on my CentOS 7 VM at least, but possibly in general) 
the NotGit variable was always set to false for some reason. In short, 
the script was always believing it was operating in a Git checkout. This 
was happening both with and without git installed.


As I wrote, this is the possibly problematic line:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/AOO418/main/solenv/bin/modules/RepoRevision.pm#L78

but I didn't have time to debug it further.

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Re: Google Analytics and Download Count

2020-10-27 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Dave Fisher wrote:

I will be doing the initial migration as quickly as I can. I think that metrics 
needs a specific discussion.
Initially I’ll comment this out.


Do I understand well that there is no technical reason whatsoever to get 
rid of Google Analytics, and that the discussion is purely political?


This is fine, but in this case the logical approach would be the 
opposite: we keep Google Analytics initially, then if someone wants to 
start a discussion (which is obviously political in this case) to remove 
it and this reaches consensus, we remove Google Analytics.


That said, I surely don't want to slow down the website migration work: 
it is much, much better to have a working migration without GA (and then 
one can easily add GA back and restart this discussion) than spend a 
month in assessing whether we need GA and block the migration for this.


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Re: QA Automated Test coverage

2020-10-27 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 24/10/2020 Carl Marcum wrote:

Slightly off topic is the QA Intro page [1] discusses TestLink which I don't 
think we use anymore


Well, it looks like Adfinis decided to kill it. That was set up in the 
recent era (Apache), so it should serve as a lesson: Adfinis contributed 
a server, got Google rank thanks to our prominent links and then moved 
away with our data. At least, all references to the Adfinis link should 
be removed.



and migrated the tests onto the wiki [2].


No, that was the manual. Tests were meant to be on Testlink, or at least 
I cannot find them in the wiki.


Manual Tests (it says outdated) are here [3]. Link to the Test Case 
Management is also a 404.


This is indeed obsolete. TCM is from the pre-Apache era, it was hosted 
by Oracle and, despite numerous requests done by myself and others 
around 2012, Oracle refused to contribute test cases to the ASF due to 
their unclear licensing and copyright. So all references to TCM are 
obsolete and there is no hope to get TCM testcases back, unfortunately: 
they provided very good coverage and helped building a QA community.


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Re: Google Analytics and Download Count

2020-10-21 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 20/10/2020 Matthias Seidel wrote:

It seems that I am the only one interested in the data Google Analytics
provides.


I'm interested in keeping Google Analytics too.

We have years of historic data there and they are useful right now, 
since we'll want to ensure that the top 30 pages are still perfectly 
working if we change the web infrastructure. Also, Google Analytics data 
will help if we ever decide to restructure the site (dropping the 
majority of pages and keeping only pages that receive traffic). And if 
we interrupt data collection now there is no way back.


AWStats is not a feature-complete replacement by any means and it also 
places additional requirements on the server. I understand that it is 
better from a philosophical/ideological perspective (open source, self 
hosted). We can try and add it - we can have both AWStats and Google 
Analytics working at the same time and then judge which one is better 
after some months.


Google Analytics is an industry standard; if we configure it in a way 
that honors do-not-track requirements and does not store irrelevant data 
about users I believe it is acceptable. We've already applied a 
reasonable trade-off in the past to ensure Google Analytics does not 
become too invasive.


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Re: AOO418-RC2: General Error on opening files on Ubuntu

2020-10-21 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Don Lewis wrote:

On 21 Oct, Jim Jagielski wrote:

so are YOU able to build HEAD of AOO418 on CentOS5 ??


I haven't tried to build today's HEAD, but I've built and tested all of
my AOO418 commits on CentOS 5 before I made the commits.


It looks like we are getting closer I mean, we have a commit that is 
only relevant to CentOS 5 and we know that Jim's builds are done on 
CentOS 5 and have the bug, while the others (mine on CentOS 7; Pedro's 
on Ubuntu 18) do not have it.


Possibly some build error that goes unnoticed due to a "dirty" build? 
Otherwise I can't explain why Don's CentOS 5 tests passed...


I don't have a CentOS 5 VM ready, but I can surely setup one this 
weekend if it's useful to have more CentOS 5 VMs, or simply a double-check.


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Re: Building 4.1.8-RC2 - packaging issues

2020-10-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 13/10/20 Carl Marcum wrote:

Error: ERROR: More than one new package in directory
Using the 
--with-epm-url=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/epm-3.7.tar.gz 
rather than the installed newer version worked for me.


Thank you Jim and Carl, I've added a note to the wiki suggesting 3.7 as 
a fallback if the newer EPM gives errors.


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Re: Just another Anniversaries Event

2020-10-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 17/10/2020 19:13, Matthias Seidel wrote:

We are still open! ;-)


Wow! I managed to be there for a short time this morning and it was nice 
to meet virtually.


As I said, it's good to be equipped for these solutions as conferences 
(including our traditional yearly gathering at FOSDEM in 
January-February) are all going virtual in the next months...


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Re: Happy birthday OpenOffice

2020-10-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 12/10/2020 Jörg Schmidt wrote:

Happy birthday OpenOffice,
October 13th is the 20th anniversary of the founding of OpenOffice


I haven't seen on this list the link to the official 20th anniversary 
announcement, so here it is:


https://s.apache.org/86lex

Happy birthday, now just in the middle of the 20th anniversary as a free 
software project and the 8th anniversary as an Apache project in a 
couple days!


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Re: AOO418-RC2: General Error on opening files on Ubuntu

2020-10-14 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

Am 14.10.20 um 21:19 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

I'm just looking to see where the fix/patch is :-)

The problem is... There was none. It just vanished at one point. ;-)


If the bug is in code, I don't understand why my builds at
https://home.apache.org/~pescetti/openoffice-4.1.8-rc2/
don't have the error then.

On the same Ubuntu 20.04 system I can consistently reproduce the error 
with Jim's DEBs but not with mine (either the custom build or the one 
with release flags). And they are obviously all based on the same code.


Of course, I'd prefer very much that the error is found and fixed, even 
if this doesn't look easy. But I'm also available for the "quick" 
solution, i.e., I can build DEBs for all languages, doing my best to 
apply the release flags/scripts properly, the coming weekend. The builds 
would be done on CentOS 7 (glibc 2.17), which means the DEBs would run 
on Ubuntu 13.04 and later.


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Re: AOO418-RC2: General Error on opening files on Ubuntu

2020-10-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 13/10/2020 Peter Kovacs wrote:
The switch SYSTEM_STDLIBS will decide if the systemlib used is packaged 
into the delivery or not.

For me this option is most likely to cause Issues.


I've rebuilt with options closer to the one Jim posted and I still don't 
see the problem with my builds.


New builds and config.log are available at
https://home.apache.org/~pescetti/openoffice-4.1.8-rc2/
in the "pescetti-2" folder and they will identify as "pescetti-2" in the 
About dialog, to differentiate from the earlier ones now moved to 
"pescetti-1" (and "abcde12345" in the About dialog).


My results:
- Jim's RC2: General error
- pescetti-1 build (About dialog: "abcde12345"): No error
- pescetti-2 build (About dialog: "pescetti-2"): No error

So, even if the file size of the "pescetti-2" builds is much different 
from the "pescetti-1" builds, it looks like the config options didn't 
influence the outcome.


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Re: AOO418-RC2: General Error on opening files on Ubuntu

2020-10-12 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Jim Jagielski wrote:

Can you provide a copy of the config.log file?


Sure, uploaded at
http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/openoffice-4.1.8-rc2/

Just a remark about those builds: those are not release builds, I just 
build with flags that are good for me in general. All details in the log 
file.


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Re: AOO418-RC2: General Error on opening files on Ubuntu

2020-10-11 Thread Andrea Pescetti
I get the same on a (64-bit of course) Ubuntu 20.04 system that, for the 
record, had OpenOffice 4.1.7 installed.


If I install Jim's RC2 binary from

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.8-RC2/binaries/it/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.8_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_it.tar.gz

and then install it

$ sudo apt install ./*.deb

and I open an old ODT file with File - Open, I get "General error" even 
though the file opens just fine after I dismiss the dialog.


If I install my build of the very same code from

https://home.apache.org/~pescetti/openoffice-4.1.8-rc2/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.8_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_it.tar.gz

and then install it

$ sudo apt install ./*.deb

everything just works as usual.

If anyone wants to try with an English build, you'll find it at
https://home.apache.org/~pescetti/openoffice-4.1.8-rc2/
and I can provide further languages on request, even though this doesn't 
seem to depend on languages.


Probably something went wrong with the build environment? I built on a 
fresh CentOS 7 system so I can share any details if helpful.


My builds have "Rev." set to "abcde12345" in the About dialog, so you 
can identify which ones you are running based on this detail.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Il 11/10/2020 15:29, Jim Jagielski ha scritto:

There's been no change in the AOO4.1.x build system for Linux.


On Oct 11, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Hi Jim,

Since the issue was closed because it "suddenly" disappeared it could
have been a change in the build system?

Am 10.10.20 um 19:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

My initial guess is that you are right... will look a bit deeper


On Oct 10, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Matthias Seidel  
wrote:

Hi Hagar (and Pedro),

Thanks for testing!

Looks like:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127315

has come up again, now on 4.1.x

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 10.10.20 um 16:50 schrieb Hagar Delest:

Same for me with your files.
I tried with some of my own files, same issue (.ods and .odt). It
seems to apply to many of my files, maybe all of them.
When I try to save as, I get an Error saving the document... But seems
to save anyway. If I open that new file, I still get the general error
message but loads fine. Then it saves OK but still gives the error
message when loaded.
On my xubuntu 20.04 64bit system.
.odg and .odp open file.

Hagar

Le 10/10/2020 à 16:30, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

One correction:

The spreadsheet shows "Not all attributes could be read" on opening.

Regards,

Matthias

Am 10.10.20 um 12:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi all,

With AOO418-RC2 I get "General Error" messages when opening some files
on Ubuntu 16.04 (64-bit).
After dismissing the error message the files open correctly.

One of them is digitally signed and the other is a simple spreadsheet.
You can download them from here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vnvlqyw25hh9v85/AABCWjCaTpGIvB9H074hraB7a?dl=0


Can anyone confirm?

Regards,

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Building 4.1.8-RC2 - packaging issues

2020-10-11 Thread Andrea Pescetti

I've built the 4.1.8-RC2 sources from
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.8-RC2/source/
on a new CentOS 7 VM and generated "installed" (not packaged), RPM and 
DEB builds that I tested on a variety of Fedora and Ubuntu systems.


All good, for the most part. I'm still catching up with e-mails so I 
didn't test anything specific to 4.1.8, just general usage. I have news 
on the "General error" on Ubuntu too, but I'll expand on this in the 
relevant thread.


But I'd like to highlight two issues occurring in the last stage of the 
build, i.e., when we produce the RPM/DEB packages.


1) Jim's EPM installed as per
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#CentOS_7_for_AOO_4.2.x_and_later
didn't work for me. I got

Error: ERROR: More than one new package in directory

Configuring with

... 
--with-epm-url=http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/epm-3.7.tar.gz


did work instead, so I'd like to know if people who used the wiki 
instructions


$ wget https://github.com/jimjag/epm/archive/epm-4.4.2.tar.gz
$ # (extract the archive)
$ cd epm-epm-4.4.2
$ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-aoo; make install

had better luck. Or maybe the new EPM is to be used for 4.2.x builds only?

2) Something seems wrong here:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/AOO418/main/solenv/bin/modules/RepoRevision.pm#L78

We populate the "Rev." section of the About dialog based on version 
control, so for a tarball (no Git, no SVN) this should result in 
"unknown-rev"; but it doesn't and Git is called instead, returning an 
error message.


To my purpose I simply used a hardcoded string and completed the build, 
but it should be checked better: the official tarball is not a git clone 
and this will always result in a (non-blocking) error message if someone 
builds from it.


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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information

2020-04-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 12/04/2020 Matthias Seidel wrote:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/site/trunk/content/doap_openoffice.rdf
I would like to have it updated, esp. for the repository change from
Subversion to Git.

There is a tool for creating such a file:
https://projects.apache.org/create.html


The tool is for initial creation as it says in the first lines; but it 
doesn't harm to re-run it from scratch and ensure differences in the 
generated XML are as expected.



@Andrea: You are listed as project data maintainer, is this still current?


I can update it, sure. If I recall correctly, this used to be done at 
every release before we had a different way to track releases, so it's 
been a while since the last update.


The updates I see now, as discussed, are:

1. Source from Git

2. ISO for ODF 1.2 (ISO/IEC 26300:2015)

Anything else? Or I will just regenerate, check the diffs with respect 
to the current one, and commit. Of course, we can accommodate other 
suggestions at any time, generating/editing the file is quick.


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Re: Nameing in Calc

2020-04-13 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 12/04/2020 Peter Kovacs wrote:

I feel attacked by your negativeness and I feel I have to defend myself for my 
action.


The main topic in this discussion is about "renaming something that is 
not quite right but that has been the same for many years".


This is always a complex discussion, and in the end I think the only 
solution is whether something is so important to justify a terminology 
change.


Other examples would include:

- Format -> Character in Writer to change the language of a piece of 
text; this is obviously confusing as one would expect to find size and 
color there, not the language.


- File -> Page format in Word (not in Writer) to decide whether a 
document was to be formatted on a vertical or horizontal A4; we even had 
to "justify" to Word users the fact that this had been placed in a more 
sane location in Writer.


Yet, the former is still there and the latter is not there yet just 
because Word got rid of the "File" menu altogether with recent interfaces.


And this is just fine. If there isn't a very compelling reason for 
change, we have to live with this, as all documentation, forum posts and 
so on use the current wording.


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Re: Robots.txt impacting https://templates.openoffice.org/ on Bing

2020-04-07 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I found this on users mailing list. What do we do?


Nothing. Obviously this is a clueless guy who is desperately trying to 
get our sites configured so that the Bing bots can index them faster... 
But our sites are very static and this would slow them down for real 
users, so there is nothing to gain and no action to take.


Maybe we should add a webmaster address (maybe our sysadmin mailinglist) 
to templates for such purposes?


Considering that they had harvested more than 20 vaguely related 
e-mails, I don't think we need a new one.


I'll answer his post to the users mailing list with pleasure, and we 
will be done with no further actions.


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Re: Patricia elected for ASF Board

2020-04-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Congratulations Patricia!

And a big thank you to Dave, who served in the outgoing Board.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

On 4/5/2020 1:15 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

Thanks. I had hoped to get more active in AOO, but will be giving
priority to board activities for my Apache time.


Congratulations Patricia. Though your greater activity in AOO will be
missed it is good to see this recognition of all your good work on
behalf of the Foundation both here and in the other projects you have
given time to.

Regards
Keith



On 4/5/2020 8:27 AM, Marcus wrote:

I want to take the chance to congratulate Patricia for electing.

Great to see that one of our circle is engaged in the ASF Board of
directors.

I wish you all the best and much success. :-)

Marcus

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Re: Alias for extensions and templates website

2020-04-05 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 04/04/2020 Matthias Seidel wrote:
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/extension/ 

That sounds good! Can you set up a simple page?


Done yesterday, then I didn't publish as publish.pl is no longer working 
for me, but someone did the right thing. I've now committed a slightly 
improved version, but http://extension.openoffice.org already does the 
right thing.


If this works, we setup the same for http://template.openoffice.org and 
the request by Bidouille will be addressed.


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Re: Alias for extensions and templates website

2020-04-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Dave Fisher wrote:

I plan to investigate what happens if we map those sub domains.


I don't think we have an issue here. I mean, if someone writes 
"extension" instead of the proper "extensions" this is just a typo, 
right? By that metric, then we should also redirect "ww" to "www", typos 
like "extentions" to "extensions" and so on. I don't think it is worth it.



test if a dns change will help. If it will then we can ask Infra to change the 
dns records.


No, a DNS change is definitely not the way to go.

Thanks to the "universal redirect" we have in place to accommodate 
legacy (pre-2011) openoffice.org subdomains, I think we can fix this as 
follows:


- Right now, the wrong URL "extension.openoffice.org" goes to 
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/extension/ (which does not exist)


- We simply put something there (and we can do this with a simple SVN 
commit) like:

  ---
OpenOffice Extensions: see https://extensions.openoffice.org
OpenOffice Templates: see https://templates.openoffice.org
  ---
and no automated redirect.

Anything else will lead people to use wrong URLs and distribute them, 
and will make any future changes more complex. This way we still help 
people who write the wrong URL, but we make clear which URL is correct.


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Re: Upload speed to home.apache.org

2020-03-09 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 08/03/2020 Matthias Seidel wrote:

A while ago Infra did some maintenance on home.apache.org
Now my upload speed is incredibly slow, it would take me more than 22
hours to upload my Windows test builds...
Can anyone confirm that or is it a problem on my side?


It is quite fast for me.

$ dd if=/dev/urandom of=1g.bin count=1024 bs=1048576
(to generate a 1G file that cannot be compressed effectively, as 
compression would influence results)


$ time scp 1g.bin home.apache.org:
1g.bin 100% 1024MB  21.0MB/s   00:48

real0m57,325s
user0m2,634s
sys 0m3,222s

So I can upload 1G in a bit less than 1 minute, which means that the 
Windows builds should upload in much less than one hour.


(for those running the test: to avoid annoying Infra, please delete the 
uploaded file after the test)


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Re: Status of infrabissues

2020-02-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

Am 25.02.20 um 18:50 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127789

Yes, this is annoying for our user and we should really find a solution now.
Also, a lot of time could be saved on the forum and Bugzilla.
We discussed at FOSDEM about it...


Yes, but unfortunately the time available is always problematic. It 
makes sense to "downgrade" (so to say) the SSL support on one of the 
secondary servers (like the MWiki one).


Note that we will never be able to fix the extensions error: this is not 
in our hands.



https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128277

This is lasting for more than a year now. Let's bring our Wiki back to
full functionality!


Two weekends ago I started something for this, by cloning the MWiki site 
locally; I still have all access and I was able to make a full copy to 
experiment with... but then the time finished and I wasn't able to 
experiment with anything. This weekend looks equally busy, but if I have 
updates I will share them in the proper places (i.e., the issues).


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Re: Restructuring AOO Build Guide

2020-02-25 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Carl Marcum wrote:

Here are my notes on building AOO 4.2 on Ubuntu 18 LTS 64-bit VM


Thanks for the efforts (both for CentOS 7 and Ubuntu LTS). Some of the 
notes below apply to both.



Started with a minimal desktop install.


Especially as we are in a VM, it would make sense to double-check with a 
minimal install without even the desktop environment (since one can 
connect externally). But I guess the dependencies listed below would 
probably do the right thing in either case.



download dmake, unpack, and change into directory


I don't see a need for downloading dmake and/or EPM. This is part of the 
build process. Of course nobody forbids your approach, but for a minimal 
set of instruction one would just pass the download URLs and everything 
would be built automatically.



$ wget https://github.com/jimjag/dmake/archive/dmake-4.12.3.tar.gz
$ wget https://github.com/jimjag/epm/archive/epm-4.4.2.tar.gz
$ wget -O external/unowinreg/unowinreg.dll 
https://tools.openoffice.org/unowinreg_prebuild/680/unowinreg.dll


I would replace these three (holds for CentOS 7 too) with files from 
OOoExtras. I mean, we should rely on the assumption that in order to 
build OpenOffice we must have online:

- The code repository
- OOoExtras for all dependencies (thus I would also store unowinreg.dll 
there and change our default download URL for it)

- Extensions if one needs to download/bundle a dictionary

We shouldn't depend on packages hosted on Github or on files from 
tools.openoffice.org.



--with-package-format="installed" \


In this case you won't need EPM probably. Or do you still need it?


$ time build --all -P2 -- -P2
# At 14 hours 2 processes didn't do me that much better.


Both timings you reported are really strange, maybe there is some bad 
virtualization performance. Even for a build without ccache the time 
should be closer to 1 hour than to 14 hours. I'd like to investigate 
this or at least to double-check on my hardware.



When I start the office I keep getting this error.
If I select No=ignore things seem to keep working.
Error: assertion failed!
 From File /aoo/main/vcl/unx/gtk/a11y/atkwrapper.cxx at Line 874
Abort ? (Yes=abort / No=ignore / Cancel=core dump)


Never seen, but for sure this must be fixed.

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Re: Windows Installer translation

2020-02-24 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

That said, I am the only one from our project with access to the Code
Signing Service (Jims account is still pending).
But I see that you have an inactive account. Would you still be interested?


Honestly I'm not interested, as Windows is not definitely the platform I 
am most familiar with.


My account was created back at the time because they were creating one 
account per project and assigning it to the Chair (who happened to be me 
at the time).


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Re: Windows Installer translation

2020-02-23 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

To my knowledge in the past we did create an exe because you could not 
doubleclick msi files.
But Microsoft had fixed this for quite some time and there is no real reason to 
keep the exe packaging.
So any objections?


No objections at all on my side, provided we continue to offer the same 
user experience to Windows users who start the installation.


As discussed at FOSDEM, this has the additional advantage that, if one 
wants to sign binaries and installation files, there is one less file to 
sign.


Of course, as usual someone has to do the work and time is scarce...

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Re: Configuration

2020-02-23 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Maram Abbas wrote:

checking for dmake... configure: no system or user-provided dmake found
dmake will be downloaded and compiled in bootstrap
checking for GNU or compatible BSD tar...
configure: error: not found. install GNU tar.


You need to have tar available. The error is not related to dmake this 
time. On Windows, tar is part of your Cygwin packages.


I recommend that you subscribe to the mailing list if you haven't 
already, or you might miss answers: 
https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#development-mailing-list-public


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Re: Building gides

2020-02-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Andrea Pescetti wrote:
E-mail is a horrible medium for this, but it looks like you are missing 
a space near the end of the first line. You can see it from the error 
message, where it doesn't look for a script named "configure" but 
"configure--with[...]".


Just to close the discussion: the OP reported privately that adding the 
space indeed fixed the error.


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Re: Build instructions

2020-02-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

On 2/18/2020 6:32 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Does the ASF have an archive for old SDKs?
Or can we use OOOExtra on SourceForge? ...

Given that and other concerns might it be worth to seek guidance from
legal@?


I guess the answer is simply no. We cannot put it in a public archive or 
repository, as most likely the Microsoft terms do not allow it.


It is probably already quite borderline to let people know "If you need 
a copy, ask us" even though this used to be a free public download from 
the Microsoft site until very recently. But we shouldn't go further than 
that.


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Re: Building gides

2020-02-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Maram Abbas wrote:

moram@moram-PC ~/cygdrve/c/source/aoo/main
$ ./configure\

--with-dmake-url="

https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2;
-bash: ./configure--with-dmake-url=
https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2:
No such file or directory


E-mail is a horrible medium for this, but it looks like you are missing 
a space near the end of the first line. You can see it from the error 
message, where it doesn't look for a script named "configure" but 
"configure--with[...]".


# Good:

$ ./configure 
--with-dmake-url="https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2;


# Equally good, note space at the end of the first line:

$ ./configure \
> 
--with-dmake-url="https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2;


# Not good, note missing space at the end of first line:

$ ./configure\
> 
--with-dmake-url="https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2;


See https://pastebin.com/7DRKKBqv for a more readable version of the 
above in case the mailing list destroys formatting.


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Re: Updated 4.2.0 build?

2020-02-16 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Pedro Lino wrote:

I would love to be able to create an OpenOffice snap or even a flatpak for 
Linux.


Just for the record, off the top of my head...

For testing we should just build the so-called "installed" package (you 
just unzip the tree and you are done).


I think I saw, ages ago, a graphical installer for Linux, written in 
Java; none of our current builds uses that approach (and honestly this 
seems a bit out of place in the Linux world) but the code might still be 
there. We are surely talking about OpenOffice 3.x if not even 2.x.


And yes, I would also consider a unified Linux version if they didn't 
invent a new "unified" way of doing Linux packages every year... But one 
of AppImage, Flatpak or Snap should be tried sooner or later, probably 
in this order. This is to be discussed separately anyway.


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Re: need some feedback on source code page changes on project site...

2020-02-07 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 06/02/2020 Kay Schenk wrote:

http://home.apache.org/~kschenk/AOO_project_site/source.html


Please go ahead and commit it. This is already better than the current 
one. Then we may want to go through it (and especially remove any 
references such as "as of August 2019": all we need to say is that this 
is the current version).


But we can definitely refine it in iterations once it is online.

For example, we'll need to decide whether to list gitbox, or github, or 
both (probably both).


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Re: Facebook comment: It is time for an advanced product. please meet with me.

2020-02-07 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 07/02/2020 Peter Kovacs wrote:

I have no clue how I should react on this proposal. For me Facebook is
not a business channel.


No way this is worth so many messages to the dev list and a collective 
waste of time on interpreting incomplete information.


The standard way to contact the project is this public dev list. He is 
welcome to do so. He won't get serious consideration if all he can write 
is "please meet with me", of course.


If it is something that for some reason needs to be kept confidential, 
there is a private list.


End of story. This is all we need to answer.

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Re: MWiki empty pages

2020-02-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

What rights does the volunteer need in order to fix it?


I posted more useful information than the forum thread and its links, on 
this same list:


https://s.apache.org/zbrde


Can this be fixed with a Mwiki user or do we need Physical access to the
machine?


SSH needed, as well as reasonably solid PHP knowledge. I have both and I 
also have some time available lately, so I can play with this next weekend.


I am not planning any server downtime: it is time for a more 
comprehensive update as we are quite needing it. And I will test it 
locally before doing any live updates.


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Re: [AOO-Templates]

2020-02-03 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

Now I hope that the people who can fix it become aware and we might
change the mailing list so users write to the right address from the start.


The users list is the standard support list for users, so it's normal to 
direct people here (I've moved dev to BCC).



On 03.02.20 14:29, Richard wrote:
Unable to send e-mail. Contact the site administrator if the problem persists.


This is a known issue. We can't do anything about this. Sourceforge 
modified something in their infrastructure long ago and the Templates 
and Extensions sites haven't been able to send out mails any longer 
since then. This needs to be fixed on their side.


Still, it makes sense to list the users list as contact as we still can 
do something (e.g., remove spam comments, or reset a password).


I've e-mailed Richard a new password as a workaround so that he can 
login and pick a new one. This should solve this instance, but the 
server issue remains open.


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Re: FOSDEM

2020-01-31 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 30/01/2020 Matthias Seidel wrote:

Tomorrow afternoon I will be in Brussels.
Hope to see a lot of you at FOSDEM, but maybe also for a beer and talk
in the evening?
I can be reached via Slack...


I had replied to this but I'm not sure it was delivered to the list.

I am already in Brussels, I've arrangements for the entire day today 
(dinner included) but I can monitor Slack in case.


You will find me (of course) in the Open Document Devroom tomorrow most 
of the day, as I'm one of the organizers; but I'm leaving Saturday 
evening, so no Sunday at FOSDEM for me.


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Re: Update server work

2020-01-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Andrea Pescetti wrote:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127789
is already good enough.


Just a note in case it's not clear: we can only fix errors related to 
the OpenOffice updates. We cannot fix extensions updates, as those are 
hosted externally. Still, once we can test that everything works for the 
OpenOffice updates, we can ask for the same to be done for extension 
updates.


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Re: Update server work

2020-01-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

who will look into our update server issue and fix it?


The coverage in
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127789
is already good enough.

But it requires working with Infra for a downgrade (better explained as: 
support old SSL protocols) of the server.


I think we are currently using the same web server as our main site, but 
fortunately we use a different server name; so, if Infra does not like 
to reconfigure the main web server, a possibility would be to move the 
updates server to a small, cheap, dedicated, machine that we can 
configure at will.


As you may have seen, I'm now starting to have more time available for 
OpenOffice again, so I can take care of discussing this with Infra in 
February.


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Re: External dependencies

2020-01-29 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/

I can see e.g. 875a2c2ff3e8eb9e5a5cd62db2033ab5-expat-2.2.9.tar.bz2 so
it might be a problem with your browser cache?


Possibly. Or in any case, it is working for me too now.

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Re: External dependencies

2020-01-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

Am 28.01.20 um 23:44 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

I've added all new files that had been changed in the OpenOffice 4.1.x
releases starting with the AOO410 branch creation. Full list:
1d8728eb0dfcac72a0fd99c17ec7f386-Python-2.7.6.tgz


Note that for some reason

https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/

does not show any of the files I added this week.

But we cannot fix SourceForge bugs, so I'll just note that

$ wget 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/1d8728eb0dfcac72a0fd99c17ec7f386-Python-2.7.6.tgz


works as expected even though the file is not listed.


I'll need your SF account, then I can surely add you too.

This should be:  seidelm


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Re: External dependencies

2020-01-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Matthias Seidel wrote:

Am 28.01.20 um 18:21 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Done. Updated list of admins and non-admins at
https://sourceforge.net/mirror/oooextras/_members/
...and now we should go back to adding some of the files Matthias
mentioned! I'll keep you posted about new files I add.


I've added all new files that had been changed in the OpenOffice 4.1.x 
releases starting with the AOO410 branch creation. Full list:


1d8728eb0dfcac72a0fd99c17ec7f386-Python-2.7.6.tgz
2e482c7567908d334785ce7d69ddfff7-commons-codec-1.6-src.tar.gz
4762f41ef0dba751d1c7a3060a1c6ec6-curl-7.61.1.tar.gz
625ff5f2f968dd908bca43c9469d6e6b-commons-lang-2.4-src.tar.gz
6334b666b7ff2038c761d7b27ba699c1-Python-2.7.5.tar.bz2
875a2c2ff3e8eb9e5a5cd62db2033ab5-expat-2.2.9.tar.bz2
8cb2898a9adc106075ac3cdc2b965bf6-curl-7.66.0.tar.gz
c813c065dd53d7bd0a560a870ddd0af5-openssl-0.9.8zh.tar.gz
d9c3baeab58774cefc2f04faf29f2cf8-expat-2.2.1.tar.bz2
e4244e69eb3644e71c254aea5952a918-apache-rat-incubating-0.8-bin.tar.bz2
f053af63ef5f39bd9b78d01fbc203334-expat-2.2.3.tar.bz2

(some of them were explicitly noted as missing in the AOO418 branch, so 
I rectified this too)



If you like, you can add me as admin, too.


I'll need your SF account, then I can surely add you too.


[Kay] I just checked and it now seems I'll be able to add and delete files


Perfect. Just a note: we never delete files from there, as this is meant 
to be a fallback copy. So, if I want to build the old OpenOffice 4.1.0, 
I can assume that all the (old) dependencies I need will be in that 
repository. The write permission does not distinguish between adding and 
deleting, just we never delete as a policy.


One thing that is still left to do, since I worked with git diffs, would 
be to actually check that we do have all dependencies needed to build 
the current AOO418 branch (and then trunk). I don't have time for this 
right now, but it is not particularly complex to test and I can do it 
the next time I build 4.1.x.


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Re: repository archeolo-git needed

2020-01-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Somewhat later Herbert Duerr actually made an exercise of a faithful
translation :
https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/exploring_openoffice_history_using_git_grafts/
last time I talked to him, he mentioned the resulting file was at minotaur


I have a genuine, unmodified, copy of Herbert's work in case someone 
finds it useful. I can upload it to an ASF space upon request.



It would be really nice to take the above and rebase our current
repository on top of it.


It would be nice for sure. It would also expand the repository size, but 
git is very good at this so the impact might be negligible. As usual, 
the biggest problem is finding someone who wants to do the work! One 
could also do an experimental rebase and put it online somewhere, no 
need for this to be "official" (or better: no need for this to be 
"official" from the start).


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Re: External dependencies

2020-01-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Kay Schenk wrote:
It would be nice to re-enable "admin" for me ... just in case the need 
arises.


Done. Updated list of admins and non-admins at
https://sourceforge.net/mirror/oooextras/_members/

...and now we should go back to adding some of the files Matthias 
mentioned! I'll keep you posted about new files I add.


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Re: External dependencies

2020-01-27 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Kay Schenk wrote:

https://sourceforge.net/mirror/oooextras/_members/
Just a quick FYI. My id, "kschenk", is listed as "developer" but I no 
longer seem to have access to site capablities which let me delete or 
add files near as I can determine although at one time I COULD do this. 
Could be my browser settings I don't know. Fro the time being maybe only 
admins can make these kinds of changes.


Possibly. From the audit trail it seems I removed your admin privileges 
in 2016. I can add you back as an admin and move to ordinary members (no 
special privileges) those who retired in the meantime (orcmid and the 
editor account). Shall I proceed? It is very easy to revert in case.


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Re: External dependencies

2020-01-26 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 25/01/2020 Matthias Seidel wrote:

In main/external_deps.lst we define
https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/ as fallback for
a lot of files.
However, most of them were never uploaded (after updating the
dependencies in source).
Can someone with the appropriate rights please do so?


After some realignment, I was now able to get a copy of the existing 
files via rsync and I confirm I have enough privileges to add new ones, 
together with other people listed at


https://sourceforge.net/mirror/oooextras/_members/

I've only added the latest file (curl 7.66) for the time being.

What do we want to reach? Shall I, for example, go through all changes 
to external_deps.lst across all AOO41x branches (and their history) so 
that we can ensure that we can bootstrap any old 4.1.x versions and 
intermediate states of code?


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Re: English Dictionaries held again by the administration

2019-12-26 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Marco A.G. Pinto wrote:
Two months have gone by since the last update, and again, it is not 
possible to download the 2010-01-01 version which I uploaded because it 
requires permission from an administrator.


(Moving the l10n and QA list to BCC; follow-up on the dev list in case)

Fixed now at
https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice

This is the usual problem. I did give Matthias and you moderator 
privileges, but apparently this is not enough.


Try again (both of you) at

https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice

and please check if you see the "Publish" and "Unpublish" options.

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Re: My talk has been accepted on Fosdem

2019-12-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Peter Kovacs wrote:

I will have a talk on Fosdem. I will talk about building openoffice.


Just a note that, based on the number of submissions, we could have 
accommodated a few more (though possibly a bit shorter) talks. I really 
can't understand why people do not submit more proposals... The devroom 
could have more content and still maintain a good quality level.


Anyway, looking forward to meeting everybody in Brussels!

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Re: FOSDEM 2020

2019-11-25 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 24/11/2019 Matthias Seidel wrote:

The timeslot is not clear now because Peter wants to join and he also
wants to hold a talk at "Open Document Editors" DevRoom.


I plan to be at FOSDEM too, as usual (well, except 2019 when weather 
conditions made me impossible for me to get to Brussels). But I'll be in 
the devroom most of the time on Saturday, and I still must decide 
whether I'm staying on Sunday too.


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FOSDEM 2020 Devroom - last week for submissions

2019-11-25 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Dave mentioned it as additional information during the booth discussion, 
but remember that the deadline for submitting talks for the Open 
Document Editors (including OpenOffice) Devroom is this Saturday, Nov 30.


The Devroom will run on Saturday 1 February 2020, first day of FOSDEM 
(in Brussels of course).


Call for talks: https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2019q4/002921.html

Short, technical talks are welcome: don't be shy and submit before Nov 30!

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Re: Fwd: English dictionary

2019-11-25 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 25/11/2019 Pedro Lino wrote:

Can anyone fix this please?


Fixed at

https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice

It is a known issue that Marco's releases trigger the built-in anti-spam 
filter, possibly because the extension description contains a link to a 
personal project of his, unrelated to OpenOffice (even if it is a good 
complement to the extension).


The best solution I could offer (and I already offered) is to make Marco 
a site moderator so that he can re-publish the extension if the 
anti-spam filter is triggered by a new release. Otherwise I guess that 
removing links from the extension (and release) description could help.


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Re: PMC Chair

2019-11-24 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 21/11/2019 Patricia Shanahan wrote:

One of the resolutions passed at the last board meeting was:
"Change the Apache OpenOffice Project Chair (Jim Jagielski, VP)"


Congratulations, Jim!

Thank you Peter, and I perfectly understand your reasons for stepping 
down after spending a second year as Chair.


And while at it... let me take the occasion to congratulate in public 
with Dave Fisher for entering the ASF Board!


So it looks like OpenOffice and the ASF at large are going to be more 
integrated in the next months; this will be a good occasion for filling 
the small gaps that still exist between OpenOffice and Apache.


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