Re: Combine VMs

2021-11-28 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Gavin,

Thanks for bringing this up.

This is an interesting proposal which I would like to discuss as a fresh 
request. I’ll include some notes about ASF Infra works so that the community 
can understand the constraints.

I have some questions and concerns about this proposal.

(1) As part of this update Infra requested that we change from using Infra’s 
MySQL server to moving this onto the VMs. Under this plan is this still the 
case? If so, does your load analysis take this into account?

(2) Each of the three sites uses different configurations to display content 
from within the HTTPD server.
- phpBB - https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/ug/
- mediaWiki - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PHP_configuration
- pootle - 
http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.8.x/server/installation.html

(a) For phpBB and mediaWiki we need to assure that the php and mysql 
configurations are compatible.
(b) For pootle we’ll need to assure that it’s python based approach and 
database choices are also compatible,

(3) translate.apache.org - the pootle service gets its httpd service locked up 
frequently and then it is currently crontab’s to restart. I’m not sure that is 
a “solution" that is compatible with shared services. We’ll also need to 
understand more clearly from the L10N team their special requirements.

(4) I am pretty close to ready to do the forum migration. The one last bit was 
understanding how to get full administrative control over the forums. I found 
the way a couple of weeks ago.

(5) In addition to migrations each of the software packages needs to be 
upgraded.

(6) If we go down this path I would recommend that we combine Forum and Wiki 
first and once that is done we consider pootle.

(7) Since Infra uses puppet to configure VMs is there an easy way to use puppet 
to configure an equivalent docker image? (Thanks Peter). Doing this would allow 
more community members to participate in maintaining these critical resources.

For me. I can work with Infra on moving forum and media wiki to the same VM. I 
have a new job which will limit my volunteer time for this to Sunday and 
perhaps one evening. Having more community sysadmins would be great.

All The Best,
Dave

> On Nov 28, 2021, at 2:53 AM, Gavin McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Hello AOO folks
> 
> Infra has taken a look at the usage of your 3 VMS and believe that
> they could all be combined into a single VM.
> 
> Technically, we can see no reason why this could not be done, and
> it may even simplify things, the sysadmin folks all needing only one
> VM to access for all services.
> 
> So, we would like to combine Forums, Wiki and Translate onto the
> same machine that has enough capacity for all.
> 
> Please discuss, and let us know your thoughts, so that we may then
> alter the migration plan of the current VMs onto one.
> 
> TY
> 
> -- 
> 
> *Gavin McDonald*
> Systems Administrator
> ASF Infrastructure Team


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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-09 Thread Dave Fisher



Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 07.11.21 um 21:18 schrieb Dave:
>> On 07/11/2021 19:42, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>> Sorry to put it this way Dave, but this is the same answer that I have
>>>> had received from you and other PMC members previously.
>>>> 
>>>> If your statement is true, then we and the ASF have a very serious and
>>>> extreme privacy challenge here:
>>>> https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice
>>>> 
>>>> In my view anyone who "steps up to he plate" for ANY role in an OPEN
>>>> source project should not have any concerns about being identified a
>>>> contributor and their role that project. I am not ashamed of being
>>>> identified as a (very small, relatively unimportant) contributor to the
>>>> AOO project and I suggest that ANYONE who is wishes to adopt this
>>>> underhanded, secretive approach, should step away from the project.
>>> I agree about every role except moderation. I moderate 27 different Apache 
>>> Mailing Lists only one of which is an AOO list.
>>> 
>>> If the community wishes to disclose all of the moderators that would be an 
>>> acceptable outcome.
>> I read your words, which are the same as you and other PMC members have
>> previously stated, but I still do not read any explanation as to the
>> rational of why moderators should hold any more of an exclusive or
>> covert role within the ASF.
>> Let's just put this down to my natural stupidity and end this thread,
>> because there is nothing to be gained by perusing the subject.
> 
> normally I would agree. However, I'm curious to know what you mean with "... 
> why moderators should hold any more of an exclusive or covert role within the 
> ASF ..." and why you think there is something secret?
> 
> A moderator is just a committer as you and me. Some are also a PMC member or 
> maybe also supporter/committer/member of other ASF projects. But thats it.
> 
> I volunteer to create a Wiki page to show who is moderating which mailing 
> list(s) - if the community think it has a value.

That’s ok as long as it is made clear NOT to ever contact moderators directly 
about the mailing list.

I hope you see the conundrum being presented.

Regards,
Dave
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What is a PMC Member

2021-11-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

Being a PMC Member is not a special status, there are basically four 
responsibilities.

(1) Making binding release votes. Those who test and vote on releases will be 
noticed.

(2) Handling security issues which is necessarily private. The PMC may add 
Committers to the Security Team. Many of our recent 4.1.x releases have been 
driven by security concerns.

(3) Handling trademark issues which is also a private concern.

(4) Recognizing contributors and adding committers and PMC members to the 
project. For AOO there is a challenge in recognizing contributions that happen 
somewhere where the contribution is not visible on dev@openoffice.apache.org or 
comm...@openoffice.apache.org. If a community member thinks the PMC needs to 
recognize someone’s contribution then please email priv...@openoffice.apache.org

The PMC Chair has the additional responsibility of quarterly reports to The ASF 
Board of Directors. The PMC helps the chair.

All The Best,
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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-07 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Nov 6, 2021, at 2:34 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> On 06/11/2021 19:26, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 06/11/2021 10:30, Marcus wrote:
>>>> Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>>> following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
>>>>> users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam
>>>>> emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action
>>>>> was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list
>>>>> that I had specifically pointed out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try
>>>>> to write to another moderator and ask for help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
>>>> 
>>>> I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
>>>> maybe it's a bit outdated.
>>>> 
>>>> Marcus
>>> 
>>> I have been a moderator for some of our English lists since the
>>> project's poddling days. Unfortunately, my knowledge of German is not
>>> very good, so I would not be of much help for the German users list.
>>> 
>>> I have asked before why the PMC does not wish moderators to be
>>> identified, but never received any rational answer.
>> 
>> Providing a clear identification of moderators would be a privacy challenge.
>> 
>> The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to 
>> users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave
> 
> Sorry to put it this way Dave, but this is the same answer that I have
> had received from you and other PMC members previously.
> 
> If your statement is true, then we and the ASF have a very serious and
> extreme privacy challenge here:
> https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice
> 
> In my view anyone who "steps up to he plate" for ANY role in an OPEN
> source project should not have any concerns about being identified a
> contributor and their role that project. I am not ashamed of being
> identified as a (very small, relatively unimportant) contributor to the
> AOO project and I suggest that ANYONE who is wishes to adopt this
> underhanded, secretive approach, should step away from the project.

I agree about every role except moderation. I moderate 27 different Apache 
Mailing Lists only one of which is an AOO list.

If the community wishes to disclose all of the moderators that would be an 
acceptable outcome.

> 
> Yes, my commentary will be misinterpreted by some as inflammatory, but
> like Jörg I am both a supporter and critic of the AOO project.

Fair enough.


> 
> As a separate issue, the above mentioned link is seriously in need of
> review and update, because many of the people mentioned are no longer
> active in, or have resigned from the positions listed. Also one person
> listed regrettably passed away last month.

This is the flip side of tracking people in various positions. Thanks for 
letting us know.

There are many places that list people no longer involved in the project. PRs 
and edits are possible and any committer or contributor (depending on the 
resource) is welcome to submit or make corrections.

Regards,
Dave

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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-06 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Nov 6, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> On 06/11/2021 10:30, Marcus wrote:
>> Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>> following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
>>> users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam
>>> emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action
>>> was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list
>>> that I had specifically pointed out.
>>> 
>>> Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try
>>> to write to another moderator and ask for help.
>>> 
>>> [1]
>>> see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"
>> 
>> I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
>> maybe it's a bit outdated.
>> 
>> Marcus
> 
> I have been a moderator for some of our English lists since the
> project's poddling days. Unfortunately, my knowledge of German is not
> very good, so I would not be of much help for the German users list.
> 
> I have asked before why the PMC does not wish moderators to be
> identified, but never received any rational answer.

Providing a clear identification of moderators would be a privacy challenge.

The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to 
users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org 

Regards,
Dave

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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-06 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Michael,

To be clear this not a moderator allowing SPAM situation. This looks like a 
subscriber setting an auto-reply.

There is a helper for moderators that should help. There are a number of 
options.

https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/moderationhelper

Let me know if this works for you. If you have forgotten your apache password 
then reset at https://id.apache.org

Regards,
Dave

> On Nov 6, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jörg,
> 
> you are so right.
> 
> As I remember, you were also a (co-)moderator in the past. But you resigned.
> 
> Do you want to do this job another time?
> 
> Kind regards
> Michael
> 
> 
> Am 06.11.21 um 15:35 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> Hello Marcus,
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2021 1:25 PM
>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?
>>> 
>>> Am 06.11.21 um 12:36 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:
 I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one.
 
 I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and
>>> rejected them.
 
 But it seems so, I got not all.
 
 There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the
 moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time.
>>> There was no
 need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for
>>> me to do such
 a job.
>>> 
>>> I've tried to unsubscribe the mail address. But maybe it was not
>>> successful as I'm not a moderator for that list.
>>> 
>>> BTW:
>>> It's the default contact address from a German bank. IMHO it
>>> is obvious
>>> that this is not really used for sending / getting mails
>>> about OpenOffice.
>> Thank you for recognising the situation. I wrote all this to Michael by PM 
>> and got only general words in reply and no solution.
>> Yes, I understand if Michael doesn't have time, but the problems of the lack 
>> of moderation of "users...@openoffice.apache.org" have existed for years, 
>> and for years I have been pointing it out again and again, because I don't 
>> understand why something that concerns us all is not also something where 
>> everyone's opinion should count.
>> What is the issue?
>> I think it's normal to run a mailing list the way mailing lists are normally 
>> run, which is that participants have to register. Where this is not 
>> respected, the mailing list is ineffective for all concerned (both 
>> questioners and helpers).
>> I'm not saying that there shouldn't be exceptions sometimes, but that should 
>> be limited to individual cases and not become the norm.
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Re: Release announce to Apache moderated due to source link

2021-10-08 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
> 
> On 10/8/21 2:16 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/8/21 1:21 PM, Marcus wrote:
>>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:18 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I asked Infra to distribute our source packages via ASF mirrors, but
>>>>> that ticket was closed today:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?focusedCommentId=17338060=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-17338060
>>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> It’s good because it is on the cdn.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>>>> 
>>>> Gave me https://dlcdn.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/ which is the 
>>>> cdn. “Mirror"
>>>> 
>>>> We are good.
>>> 
>>> nice when it is working now. Last time it was not.
>>> 
>>> @Carl:
>>> When you use the "closer.lua" link in the mail then it should work.
>> 
>> Used:
>> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>> 
>> Let's hope that's the one :)
> 
> another fail :(
> 
> See the reply:
> 
> ---
> Sorry, but the source link is not a valid download page.
> 
> The page athttps://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html  is more like it,
> but the artifact links on the page must use the mirror system.
> For example:
> 
> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/apache-openoffice-4.1.11-bdb20b2a64-src.tar.bz2

And they actually do. So, they (probably sebb) need to refresh.

> 
> This needs to be done for all the current artifacts on the page.
> [The archived ones are fine as they are.]
> ---
> 
> Best regards,
> Carl
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:04 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>> That will probably be kicked back too
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My Apache announce email got kicked back due to the link to the source 
>>>>>>> not using the mirror system.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Source releases MUST use the ASF mirror system."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I used:
>>>>>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I guess I need to use:
>>>>>>> https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>>>>>> Our download page is wrong. See 
>>>>>> https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-page
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'll send a new one in a while.
>>> 
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Re: Release announce to Apache moderated due to source link

2021-10-08 Thread Dave Fisher
Matthias and I discussed directly.

In some parts of the world closer.lua will select dlcdn.a.o as the “mirror” and 
in others it will select downloads.a.o.

This is expected and how Infra has set up closer.lua to minimize costs.

BTW - We have not updated Alternative download link #2 
<https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.10/binaries/> on 
openoffice.org/download/ we could switch that to use closer.lua.

Regards,
Dave


> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Europe vs. US. Can you DM me your IP address?
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry,
>> 
>> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>> 
>> does not work for me...
>> 
>> https://dlcdn.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>> 
>> does.
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:27 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:21 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:18 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I asked Infra to distribute our source packages via ASF mirrors, but
>>>>>>> that ticket was closed today:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?focusedCommentId=17338060=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-17338060
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It’s good because it is on the cdn.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gave me https://dlcdn.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/ which is
>>>>>> the cdn. “Mirror"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are good.
>>>>> nice when it is working now. Last time it was not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Carl:
>>>>> When you use the "closer.lua" link in the mail then it should work.
>>>> Should we use that link also here?
>>>> 
>>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
>>> Yes. I’ve just committed the update. Give it a couple of minutes and test.
>>> 
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:04 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>>>> That will probably be kicked back too
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My Apache announce email got kicked back due to the link to the
>>>>>>>>> source not using the mirror system.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "Source releases MUST use the ASF mirror system."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I used:
>>>>>>>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So I guess I need to use:
>>>>>>>>> https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>>>>>>>> Our download page is wrong. See
>>>>>>>> https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-page
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'll send a new one in a while.
>>>>> 
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Re: Release announce to Apache moderated due to source link

2021-10-08 Thread Dave Fisher
Europe vs. US. Can you DM me your IP address?

> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry,
> 
> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
> 
> does not work for me...
> 
> https://dlcdn.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
> 
> does.
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> Am 08.10.21 um 19:27 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:21 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:18 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I asked Infra to distribute our source packages via ASF mirrors, but
>>>>>> that ticket was closed today:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?focusedCommentId=17338060=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-17338060
>>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s good because it is on the cdn.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gave me https://dlcdn.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/ which is
>>>>> the cdn. “Mirror"
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are good.
>>>> nice when it is working now. Last time it was not.
>>>> 
>>>> @Carl:
>>>> When you use the "closer.lua" link in the mail then it should work.
>>> Should we use that link also here?
>>> 
>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
>> Yes. I’ve just committed the update. Give it a couple of minutes and test.
>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>>> Marcus
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:04 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>>> That will probably be kicked back too
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My Apache announce email got kicked back due to the link to the
>>>>>>>> source not using the mirror system.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Source releases MUST use the ASF mirror system."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I used:
>>>>>>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So I guess I need to use:
>>>>>>>> https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>>>>>>> Our download page is wrong. See
>>>>>>> https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-page
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'll send a new one in a while.
>>>> 
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Re: Release announce to Apache moderated due to source link

2021-10-08 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Am 08.10.21 um 19:21 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:18 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I asked Infra to distribute our source packages via ASF mirrors, but
>>>> that ticket was closed today:
>>>> 
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?focusedCommentId=17338060=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-17338060
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> It’s good because it is on the cdn.
>>> 
>>> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>>> 
>>> Gave me https://dlcdn.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/ which is
>>> the cdn. “Mirror"
>>> 
>>> We are good.
>> 
>> nice when it is working now. Last time it was not.
>> 
>> @Carl:
>> When you use the "closer.lua" link in the mail then it should work.
> 
> Should we use that link also here?
> 
> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html

Yes. I’ve just committed the update. Give it a couple of minutes and test.

> 
> Matthias
> 
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> Am 08.10.21 um 19:04 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>> That will probably be kicked back too
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My Apache announce email got kicked back due to the link to the
>>>>>> source not using the mirror system.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Source releases MUST use the ASF mirror system."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I used:
>>>>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I guess I need to use:
>>>>>> https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>>>>> Our download page is wrong. See
>>>>> https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-page
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll send a new one in a while.
>> 
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Re: Release announce to Apache moderated due to source link

2021-10-08 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> I asked Infra to distribute our source packages via ASF mirrors, but
> that ticket was closed today:
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?focusedCommentId=17338060=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-17338060

It’s good because it is on the cdn.

https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/

Gave me https://dlcdn.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/ which is the cdn. 
“Mirror"

We are good.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards,
> 
>    Matthias
> 
> Am 08.10.21 um 19:04 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> That will probably be kicked back too
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> My Apache announce email got kicked back due to the link to the source not 
>>> using the mirror system.
>>> 
>>> "Source releases MUST use the ASF mirror system."
>>> 
>>> I used:
>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
>>> 
>>> So I guess I need to use:
>>> https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>> Our download page is wrong. See 
>> https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-page
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> I'll send a new one in a while.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Carl
>>> 
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Re: Release announce to Apache moderated due to source link

2021-10-08 Thread Dave Fisher


> On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> On 10/8/21 1:04 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> That will probably be kicked back too
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> My Apache announce email got kicked back due to the link to the source not 
>>> using the mirror system.
>>> 
>>> "Source releases MUST use the ASF mirror system."
>>> 
>>> I used:
>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
>>> 
>>> So I guess I need to use:
>>> https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/
>> Our download page is wrong. See 
>> https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-page
> 
> So this then?
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/openoffice/4.1.11/source/

https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/

> 
> Thanks,
> Carl
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> I'll send a new one in a while.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Carl
>>> 
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Re: Release announce to Apache moderated due to source link

2021-10-08 Thread Dave Fisher
That will probably be kicked back too

> On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My Apache announce email got kicked back due to the link to the source not 
> using the mirror system.
> 
> "Source releases MUST use the ASF mirror system."
> 
> I used:
> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
> 
> So I guess I need to use:
> https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/

Our download page is wrong. See 
https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-page

Regards,
Dave


> 
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> 
> Best regards,
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11 released

2021-10-08 Thread Dave Fisher


> On Oct 8, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> And thanks to everyone who was involved in this release!
> 
> Time to move on...
> 
> Can anyone create a tag/branch for AOO41X?

There is now a branch AOO4111
There is also a tag AOO4111-GA

> Note that Jim already merged new code, so it is not HEAD of.

The branch and tag were made from bdb20b2a64

Regards,
Dave


> 
> We should also update the documentation here, some parts are still for SVN:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/How+to+Cook+a+Release#HowtoCookaRelease-Tasksafterthereleaseispublic
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
> Am 06.10.21 um 22:20 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>> Hello OpenOffice community,
>> 
>> We want to thank everyone who helped make this release happen.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Carl
>> (on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice PMC)
>> 
>> 
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11 released
>> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:19:06 -0400
>> From: Carl Marcum 
>> Organization: Apache Software Foundation
>> To: annou...@openoffice.apache.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 06 October 2021 - The Apache OpenOffice project is pleased to announce
>> the release of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11.
>> 
>> This release is dedicated to Patricia Shanahan who was a valued
>> contributor to the project.
>> https://s.apache.org/patricia.shanahan
>> 
>> Apache OpenOffice is a popular Open Source office document productivity
>> suite available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>> 
>> Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11 is a security release aimed at correcting the
>> following issues:
>> 
>> CVE-2021-33035 Buffer overflow from a crafted DBF file
>> CVE-2021-40439 Billion Laughs
>> CVE-2021-28129 DEB packaging for Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 installed
>> with a non-root userid and groupid
>> 
>> This release also includes the latest dictionaries.
>> All users of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10 or earlier are advised to upgrade.
>> 
>> For the complete overview see the list in Bugzilla:
>> https://s.apache.org/AOO-4111changes
>> 
>> Full version of this announcement:
>> https://s.apache.org/AOO-4111announcement
>> 
>> Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11 Release Notes:
>> https://s.apache.org/AOO-4111releasenotes
>> 
>> Download the source:
>> https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
>> 
>> Download Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11 from the original source only:
>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/
>> 
>> Follow Apache OpenOffice:
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Re: OpenOffice-org Staging Site Published

2021-10-06 Thread Dave Fisher
And I beat the next staging build so that came out correct. You should be good 
to publish.

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 11:31 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> It was a content folder inside the content folder - it was not published. I 
> reverted the commit to asf-staging.
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Marcus  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 06.10.21 um 20:23 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> This build has strange issues and inserted an extra layer of content.
>>> Do not publish.
>> 
>> it is already published. But I cannot see any extra content.
>> Can you point me to what you see?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Apache Jenkins Server 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OpenOffice » OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build - Build # 494 - Successful:
>>>> 
>>>> Check console output at 
>>>> https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenOffice/job/OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build/494/
>>>>  to view the results.
>> 
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Re: OpenOffice-org Staging Site Published

2021-10-06 Thread Dave Fisher
It was a content folder inside the content folder - it was not published. I 
reverted the commit to asf-staging.

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 06.10.21 um 20:23 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> This build has strange issues and inserted an extra layer of content.
>> Do not publish.
> 
> it is already published. But I cannot see any extra content.
> Can you point me to what you see?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Apache Jenkins Server 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OpenOffice » OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build - Build # 494 - Successful:
>>> 
>>> Check console output at 
>>> https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenOffice/job/OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build/494/
>>>  to view the results.
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Re: OpenOffice-org Staging Site Published

2021-10-06 Thread Dave Fisher
This build has strange issues and inserted an extra layer of content.

Do not publish.

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Apache Jenkins Server 
>  wrote:
> 
> OpenOffice » OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build - Build # 494 - Successful:
> 
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Re: [CLOSED] [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Oct 6, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> On 10/6/21 1:15 PM, Marcus wrote:
>> Am 06.10.21 um 19:06 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>>> On 10/6/21 12:37 PM, Marcus wrote:
>>>> Am 06.10.21 um 18:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>> Am 06.10.21 um 18:26 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Matthias Seidel 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 06.10.21 um 18:19 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Matthias Seidel 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> SourceForge is ready to go!
>>>>>>>> I don’t see the files here: 
>>>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/
>>>>>>> The directory is staged (invisible) until we do the release.
>>>>>> Great. Just checking.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BTW - What time will the “release” happen? Today or tomorrow morning? I 
>>>>>> need to ask security to publish the two CVEs and plan to be out this 
>>>>>> afternoon and evening.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would prefer later today (European time). Marcus, what do you think?
>>>> 
>>>> I don't care. My preparations are nearly finished. I can commit the 
>>>> changes whenever we want. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> However, more important is that the blog announcement and release notes 
>>>> are also ready. I can take care for the release notes.
>>> 
>>> I filled in some improvement bullet points but feel free to add/change as 
>>> needed.
>> 
>> I've finished (so far) the release notes. You can copy & paste the bugfixes 
>> and enhancements from there:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.11+Release+Notes
>>  
> 
> We have these two that are already public and could be listed.
> CVE-2021-33035 Buffer overflow from a crafted DBF file

I’ve just asked Apache Security to republish this one with the information that 
4.1.11 fixes the issue.

> CVE-2021-40439 Billion Laughs

Should also be published to Mitre soon.

> 
> CVE 2021-30245 - Code execution in Apache OpenOffice via non-http(s) schemes 
> in Hyperlinks
> We fixed in 4.1.10 although a little to aggressively and improved the 
> handling in this one.
> Should we list it again?

It can’t hurt.

Also, I noticed we never published this one for the DEB flaw in 4.1.8. I’ve 
asked for this to be published too.

CVE-2021-28129 DEB packaging for Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 installed with a 
non-root userid and groupid

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Thanks,
> Carl
> 
> 
>> 
>>> I saw the date for Patricia joining the project was missing. I searched the 
>>> archives and came up with a this post as about the oldest I could find so I 
>>> used that year.
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9f5c7bbe9c2e46b800ad1dda5a1068a64ff26ab830ff9a9134c3b398%401446081722%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E
>>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Ah, great.
>> 
>>>> And of cause the security texts and webpages. I can also take over this 
>>>> but need the texts.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave, can you please help with the texts?
>>>> Carl, can you please finalize the blog post?
>>> 
>>> If were good with the text I'm ready to publish.
>>> Just say the word.
>>> 
>>> Also on the announce email draft I'm ready if nobody wants a change..
>>> 
>>> What time are we thinking?
>> 
>> Let's say at 20:00 CET which is in ~ 45 minutes.
>> Is this OK for all?
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Uploads to SourceForge are running.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>Matthias
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>>>>>> The vote on relea

Re: [CLOSED] [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Am 06.10.21 um 18:19 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.
>>> 
>>> SourceForge is ready to go!
>> I don’t see the files here: 
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/
> 
> The directory is staged (invisible) until we do the release.

Great. Just checking.

BTW - What time will the “release” happen? Today or tomorrow morning? I need to 
ask security to publish the two CVEs and plan to be out this afternoon and 
evening.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Matthias
> 
>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>   Matthias
>>> 
>>> Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>> 
>>>> Uploads to SourceForge are running.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>>   Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>> The vote on releasing AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA is CLOSED.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The vote has PASSED.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Matthias Seidel 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 04.10.21 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>> Agreed!
>>>>>> Marcus already casted his vote.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe it is time to close the vote and move on?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours (which will be 
>>>>>>>> Midnight European time)?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to take part of this 
>>>>>>>> vote.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>>>> I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary 
>>>>>>>>> community builds of
>>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.
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Re: [CLOSED] [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Oct 6, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.
> 
> SourceForge is ready to go!

I don’t see the files here: 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/

> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
> Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> Uploads to SourceForge are running.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>Matthias
>> 
>> Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> The vote on releasing AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA is CLOSED.
>>> 
>>> The vote has PASSED.
>>> 
 On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Matthias Seidel  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Jim,
 
 Am 04.10.21 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> Agreed!
 Marcus already casted his vote.
 
 Maybe it is time to close the vote and move on?
 
 Regards,
 
   Matthias
 
>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>> 
>> Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours (which will be 
>> Midnight European time)?
>> 
>> Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to take part of this 
>> vote.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary community 
>>> builds of
>>> Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.
>>> [...]
>>> This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.
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Re: Compatibility of new releases with older operating systems

2021-10-05 Thread Dave Fisher
We have these pages:
https://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo40.html
https://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html (System 
requirements on download page)
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/tree/main/content/dev_docs/source
https://www.openoffice.org/download/platform_hints.html
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/assets/download/msg_prop_l10n_en.js
 (requirements as text which may be translated)
Most of the whole dev_docs directory is completely out of date, but the md 
files are “on track".

We also have current specs in three md files here although they seem to be 
detached.

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/tree/main/content/product
https://www.openoffice.org/product/

I’d like to see

new pages in dev_docs/source/ for aoo42 and trunk
A requirements page in product to replace linux.md, mac.md, and windows.md
Tie the product requirements page to the download pages somehow.


> On Oct 5, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
> 
> Hi Arrigo,
> 
> On 10/5/21 4:00 PM, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> do we have a list of the operating systems' releases that we want to
>> support for each AOO release?
>> 
>> For example: what is the oldest Windows version that AOO 4.1.X must
>> support? And 4.2?
>> And what about macOS versions?
>> 
>> I think I remember a thread from some months ago discussing compilers,
>> but I could not find it from the archives.
>> 
>> If a comprehensive page does not exist, I suggest we make it into our
>> (c)wiki. I would be interested to use it as a compilers' and build
>> tools compatibility matrix.
>> 
>> Thank you in advance to whoever will give me any pointers,
> 
> Aside from email threads here and there about compilers, java versions, etc I 
> can't point to anything.
> Maybe someone can point to something I don't know about.
> 
> I would be good to decide so we know what can be done in 42X vs trunk(450) 
> etc. around compilers, java and whatever else may drive those decisions.

I think that Jim wanted to have macOS 10.9 as the new base: 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r6a775ab1c7dfcdb6f85c1fbe22abdba2045ec9cff90900842843fc12%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E

> 
> It's good that we strive to support old OS's but there is a point where a new 
> release will have to drop something just to keep going.

I think that the arguments differ for Linux flavors and Windows versions.

> 
> Thanks for bringing this up.

+1.

Regards,
Dave

> 
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> Carl
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Re: Future - Digital Signatures

2021-09-30 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Sep 29, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Regina Henschel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> Dave Fisher schrieb am 30.09.2021 um 00:11:
>>> This document was not signed using the ODF 1.2 or 1.3 specification. 
>>> Instead LO implements its own extension.
>>> PGPData 
>>> xmlns:loext="urn:org:documentfoundation:names:experimental:office:xmlns:loext:1.0”
>> 
>> Which version of LibreOffice? For ODF 1.3 you need LibreOffice 7.0, some 
>> additions are in 7.1 and 7.2.
> 
> Pedro used LO 6.4.7.
> 
> I need to inspect an LO 7.2 PGP signed odt.

Pedro sent me a LO 7.2.1 PGP signed odt and it also uses the loext xmlns.

It would be good to understand how xmlns extensions fit into the ODF 
specifications.

>> 
>>> This replaces X509Data when PGP signing is done in LO. I wonder if we can 
>>> implement this without looking at their code.
>> 
>> I don't know whether signatures use the same as OpenPGP encryption. But 
>> Thorsten Behrens told me, that LibreOffice uses the gpgme library and that 
>> it needs to be included in the distribution at least on Windows and Mac. But 
>> gpgme has LGPLv2+ license. So I think, use of LibreOffice's solution is not 
>> possible for Apache OpenOffice.
> 
> That approach would require an extension provided by a 3rd party or an 
> exception to Apache Release Policy.
> 
> BouncyCastle/Java could be an alternative as well.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> 
>> 
>> Kind regards
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Re: Future - Digital Signatures

2021-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Regina Henschel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Dave Fisher schrieb am 30.09.2021 um 00:11:
>> This document was not signed using the ODF 1.2 or 1.3 specification. Instead 
>> LO implements its own extension.
>> PGPData 
>> xmlns:loext="urn:org:documentfoundation:names:experimental:office:xmlns:loext:1.0”
> 
> Which version of LibreOffice? For ODF 1.3 you need LibreOffice 7.0, some 
> additions are in 7.1 and 7.2.

Pedro used LO 6.4.7.

I need to inspect an LO 7.2 PGP signed odt.
> 
>> This replaces X509Data when PGP signing is done in LO. I wonder if we can 
>> implement this without looking at their code.
> 
> I don't know whether signatures use the same as OpenPGP encryption. But 
> Thorsten Behrens told me, that LibreOffice uses the gpgme library and that it 
> needs to be included in the distribution at least on Windows and Mac. But 
> gpgme has LGPLv2+ license. So I think, use of LibreOffice's solution is not 
> possible for Apache OpenOffice.

That approach would require an extension provided by a 3rd party or an 
exception to Apache Release Policy.

BouncyCastle/Java could be an alternative as well.

Regards,
Dave


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Re: Future - Digital Signatures

2021-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Sep 29, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Pedro Lino  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave
>> 
>>> On 09/28/2021 11:35 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think that AOO42X and Trunk need to improve in three ways.
>>> 
>>> (1) We need to make sure that we hook to the systems native key store 
>>> and/or a Mozilla keystone.
>>> Setup may need to be improved.
>>> (2) We need to allow a PGP and EU card key to be selected and converted to 
>>> X509 internally while signing.
>>> It looks like ODF 1.3 spec makes no changes to ODF 1.2 in terms of 
>>> digital signatures.
>>> (3) We need to properly display whatever signatures are on the document.
>> 
>> I agree. It is good news that ODF 1.2 supports signatures (although it would 
>> be ideal for AOO to move on to ODF 1.3)
> 
> To be clear ODF 1.3 has the same spec as 1.2 for digital signatures.
> 
>> 
>>> What happens when you inspect the digital signatures of a file signed in LO 
>>> with PGP and EU card in AOO 4.1.11 RC?
>> 
>> Document signed with OpenPGP using LO 6.4.7 in Ubuntu 18.04 x64
>> - opening with AOO 4.1.11 on the same Ubuntu 18.04 x64 the message is 
>> "Digital Signature: The document signature does not match the document 
>> content. We strongly recommend you to not trust this document."
>> - opening with 4.1.11 on Windows 7 Pro x64 the message is the same but there 
>> is a popup window when the document is opened with a serious warning
>> https://i.imgur.com/8CloLVl.png

Thanks for sharing the files.

This document was not signed using the ODF 1.2 or 1.3 specification. Instead LO 
implements its own extension.

PGPData 
xmlns:loext="urn:org:documentfoundation:names:experimental:office:xmlns:loext:1.0”

This replaces X509Data when PGP signing is done in LO. I wonder if we can 
implement this without looking at their code.

Regards,
Dave

>> 
>> Document signed with OpenPGP using AOO 4.1.11 in Win7 Pro x64
>> - opening with AOO 4.1.11 on Ubuntu 18.04 x64 the message is "Digital 
>> Signature: The document signature is OK, but the certificates could not be 
>> validated."
>> 
>> Document signed with EU card
>> - opening with AOO 4.1.11 on Ubuntu 18.04 x64 the message is "Digital 
>> Signature: The document signature is OK, but the certificates could not be 
>> validated."
>> - opening with AOO 4.1.11 on Windows 7 Pro x64 (where I have installed the 
>> Root certificate for my ID card), the message is "The document signature is 
>> OK". If another ID card is used to sign (and the Root certificate for that 
>> card is not imported) then the message is the same as under Ubuntu.
>> 
>> I can share the documents with you by personal email if that helps.
> 
> Sure, I’d like to unzip them and inspect the signature xml.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> 
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Re: Future - Digital Signatures

2021-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Sep 29, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Arrigo Marchiori  wrote:
> 
> Hello Dave, All,
> 
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 03:35:30PM -0700, Dave Fisher wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pedro,
>> 
>> I think that AOO42X and Trunk need to improve in three ways.
>> 
>> (1) We need to make sure that we hook to the systems native key store and/or 
>> a Mozilla keystone.
>>  Setup may need to be improved.
>> (2) We need to allow a PGP and EU card key to be selected and converted to 
>> X509 internally while signing.
>>  It looks like ODF 1.3 spec makes no changes to ODF 1.2 in terms of 
>> digital signatures.
>> (3) We need to properly display whatever signatures are on the document.
>> 
>> What happens when you inspect the digital signatures of a file signed in LO 
>> with PGP and EU card in AOO 4.1.11 RC?
> 
> Please let us bear in mind that we have an open pull request [1] about
> upgrading the nss library. It is currently waiting for review, and it
> is stuck on macOS.

We need to know from Jim how a build goes with the PR incorporated in AOO42X.

> 
> Before we begin editing our code, I suggest we merge that pull request
> first.
> 
> 1: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/100

Maybe merge there and see how the next dev build goes?

Regards,
Dave

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> -- 
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Re: Future - Digital Signatures

2021-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Sep 29, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Pedro Lino  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave
> 
>> On 09/28/2021 11:35 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> I think that AOO42X and Trunk need to improve in three ways.
>> 
>> (1) We need to make sure that we hook to the systems native key store and/or 
>> a Mozilla keystone.
>>  Setup may need to be improved.
>> (2) We need to allow a PGP and EU card key to be selected and converted to 
>> X509 internally while signing.
>>  It looks like ODF 1.3 spec makes no changes to ODF 1.2 in terms of 
>> digital signatures.
>> (3) We need to properly display whatever signatures are on the document.
> 
> I agree. It is good news that ODF 1.2 supports signatures (although it would 
> be ideal for AOO to move on to ODF 1.3)

To be clear ODF 1.3 has the same spec as 1.2 for digital signatures.

> 
>> What happens when you inspect the digital signatures of a file signed in LO 
>> with PGP and EU card in AOO 4.1.11 RC?
> 
> Document signed with OpenPGP using LO 6.4.7 in Ubuntu 18.04 x64
> - opening with AOO 4.1.11 on the same Ubuntu 18.04 x64 the message is 
> "Digital Signature: The document signature does not match the document 
> content. We strongly recommend you to not trust this document."
> - opening with 4.1.11 on Windows 7 Pro x64 the message is the same but there 
> is a popup window when the document is opened with a serious warning
> https://i.imgur.com/8CloLVl.png
> 
> Document signed with OpenPGP using AOO 4.1.11 in Win7 Pro x64
> - opening with AOO 4.1.11 on Ubuntu 18.04 x64 the message is "Digital 
> Signature: The document signature is OK, but the certificates could not be 
> validated."
> 
> Document signed with EU card
> - opening with AOO 4.1.11 on Ubuntu 18.04 x64 the message is "Digital 
> Signature: The document signature is OK, but the certificates could not be 
> validated."
> - opening with AOO 4.1.11 on Windows 7 Pro x64 (where I have installed the 
> Root certificate for my ID card), the message is "The document signature is 
> OK". If another ID card is used to sign (and the Root certificate for that 
> card is not imported) then the message is the same as under Ubuntu.
> 
> I can share the documents with you by personal email if that helps.

Sure, I’d like to unzip them and inspect the signature xml.

Regards,
Dave

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Re: AOO41X: Time for RC1?

2021-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher
Does the behavior change if you use the Terminal window to explicitly set the 
environment and then `open -a OpenOffice`?

I had to do that in Catalina to access a Mozzila keystore.

> On Sep 29, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Rony G. Flatscher  
> wrote:
> 
> On 28.09.2021 22:25, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> Is this a regression?
> 
> Not really sure, it used to work on AOO 4.1.10 AFAICR, but now, testing 
> against 4.1.10 the same
> problem occurs, although java.library.path has a different value compared to 
> 4.1.11:
> 
>
> java.library.path=[.:/Users/rony/Library/Java/Extensions:/Library/Java/Extensions:/Network/Library/Java/Extensions:/System/Library/Java/Extensions:/usr/lib/java:.]
> 
>java.runtime.version=[9.0.4+11]
> 
> However, I did update the operating system in between which now is macOS Big 
> Sur 11.6.
> 
> My (pure!) speculation is, that dlopen() on BigSur does not honor 
> DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH which
> includes ~/lib:/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib, cf. [1], [2].
> 
> However, "man dlopen" would document that if DYLD_FALLBACK_LIBRARY_PATH was 
> not set, then dlopen
> operates as if this environment variable was set to 
> $HOME/lib:/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib. If that was
> the case then libBSF4ooRexx.dylib would be found as it is in /usr/local/lib, 
> but it is not (hence
> speculating).
> 
> So maybe these libraries should be explicitly added to the java.library.path 
> on Darwin to have
> System.loadLibrary(name) look through them.
> 
> ---rony
> 
> [1]  "Using Dynamic Libraries":
> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/DynamicLibraries/100-Articles/UsingDynamicLibraries.html>
> 
> [2] Manpage for dlopen(3):
> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/System/Conceptual/ManPages_iPhoneOS/man3/dlopen.3.html>
> 
> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Rony G. Flatscher  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tested the MacOS version and ran into a problem: AOO does not consult 
>>> "/usr/local/lib" on MacOS when
>>> loading a native library.  Also, on "java.library.path" there seems to be a 
>>> wrong directory
>>> ("/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents").
>>> 
>>> The setting of "java.library.path" in effect:
>>> 
>>>   
>>> java.library.path=[/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents:/Users/rony/Library/Java/Extensions:/Library/Java/Extensions:/Network/Library/Java/Extensions:/System/Library/Java/Extensions:/usr/lib/java:.]
>>> 
>>>   java.runtime.version=[9.0.4+11]
>>> 
>>> Placing a symbolic link into "/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents" allows 
>>> the library
>>> "libBSF4ooRexx.dylib" to be found in this version (and everything then 
>>> works as expected), however
>>> that directory should probably not be defined as it is does not contain any 
>>> native libraries (rather
>>> its subdirectory MacOS does).
>>> 
>>> So, this version does not consult "/usr/local/lib" to find and load 
>>> "libBSF4ooRexx.dylib".
>>> 
>>> ---rony
>>> 
>>> P.S.: Here the relevant stack trace (when attempting to load the scripting 
>>> engine for ooRexx to run
>>> an AOO macro via the Tools -> Macros menu):
>>> 
>>>   Caused by: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no BSF4ooRexx in 
>>> java.library.path
>>> at java.base/java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:2541)
>>> at java.base/java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Runtime.java:873)
>>> at java.base/java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java:1857)
>>> at 
>>> org.rexxla.bsf.engines.rexx.RexxAndJava.(RexxAndJava.java:880)
>>> at 
>>> org.rexxla.bsf.engines.rexx.RexxEngine.initialize(RexxEngine.java:291)
>>> at org.apache.bsf.BSFManager$8.run(BSFManager.java:854)
>>> at java.base/java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
>>> at org.apache.bsf.BSFManager.loadScriptingEngine(BSFManager.java:852)
>>> ... 40 more
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27.09.2021 21:21, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>>> The macOS, Linux64 and Linux32 builds are also there!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have uploaded all Windows binaries to:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-R

Future - Digital Signatures

2021-09-28 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Pedro,

I think that AOO42X and Trunk need to improve in three ways.

(1) We need to make sure that we hook to the systems native key store and/or a 
Mozilla keystone.
Setup may need to be improved.
(2) We need to allow a PGP and EU card key to be selected and converted to X509 
internally while signing.
It looks like ODF 1.3 spec makes no changes to ODF 1.2 in terms of 
digital signatures.
(3) We need to properly display whatever signatures are on the document.

What happens when you inspect the digital signatures of a file signed in LO 
with PGP and EU card in AOO 4.1.11 RC?

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Pedro Lino  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave
> 
> I can't sign any document.
> I have my own Certificate (from my European ID Card)
> It shows up on the Windows certmgr.msc under Personal but does not show up on 
> AOO 4.1.11 (AOO4111m1(Build:9808)  -  Rev. 8167b394bd) built by Matthias
> I also have a personal SSH key in Linux which AOO 4.1.11 can not use...
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Regards,
> Pedro
> 
>> On 09/17/2021 6:49 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Pedro,
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Pedro Lino  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> AOO4111m1(Build:9808)  -  Rev. 8167b394bd
>>> 2021-09-17 13:41 - Linux x86_64
>>> 
>>> Compiled successfully, installed and is working without any hitches
>> 
>> Try signing a document and then reopening.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Pedro
>>> 
>>>> On 09/17/2021 10:27 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yes
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Pedro Lino  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 09/16/2021 10:35 PM Matthias Seidel  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apparently we needed another fix...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am doing a Test Build for Windows right now and will upload it to my
>>>>>> Apache home directory tomorrow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I compile now from branch AOO41X will it include all these fixes?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Pedro
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Re: AOO41X: Time for RC1?

2021-09-28 Thread Dave Fisher


> On Sep 28, 2021, at 2:44 AM, Pedro Lino  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave
> 
> I'm downloading the Source now.
> 
> Is there any technical reason why dist.apache.org listings only show the file 
> name?
> Would it be possible to have them show the file details like in
> https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.10/source/
> ?

You can get a file size from a command line like this:

% svn ls --xml 
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.11_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz


https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.11_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz;>

Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.11_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
166255147

jim
2021-09-27T16:21:34.192743Z






> 
> I really like to know the size of the file I'm downloading before starting 
> (to decide if it is something to be done on Wifi, on Mobile data or on 
> ethernet)
> 
> Should this be requested to Infra?

We could. I’ll ask informally.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards,
> Pedro
> 
> 
>> On 09/27/2021 9:08 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve smoked tested the macOS en-US version.
>> 
>> Start testing people!
>> 
>> SDK at 
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/binaries/SDK/ 
>> <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/binaries/SDK/>
>> Source at 
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/source/ 
>> <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/source/>
>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Matthias Seidel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> it seems that all binaries are now uploaded...
>>> 
>>> Time to call for testing?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>   Matthias
>>> 
>>> Am 23.09.21 um 15:48 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have uploaded all Windows binaries to:
>>>> 
>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/binaries/
>>>> 
>>>> Although we have not yet announced AOO 4.1.11-RC1 officially please feel
>>>> free to download and test them!
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>>   Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> P.S.: Linux/macOS builds will be uploaded next week
>>>> 
>>>> Am 22.09.21 um 17:33 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would be ready to upload the Windows binaries if we want to announce 
>>>>> RC1?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 21.09.21 um 23:15 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 21.09.21 um 22:42 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>>>> Hi Dave, all
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 09/21/2021 9:07 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>>>>>> windows - thanks Matthias
>>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/912galt8kr7wiem/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.11_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe?dl=0
>>>>>>> Installed and tested signing a document. Works as expected
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> linux
>>>>>>>> We are waiting for someone to do a build.
>>>>>>> Can sign on Ubuntu 18.04 x64 using my PGP certificate
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Unless there is a problem on Mac, seems like ready to go?
>>>>>> It looks good for me!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Pedro
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Re: AOO41X: Time for RC1?

2021-09-27 Thread Dave Fisher
I’ve smoked tested the macOS en-US version.

Start testing people!

SDK at 
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/binaries/SDK/ 
<https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/binaries/SDK/>
Source at https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/source/ 
<https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/source/>

> On Sep 27, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> it seems that all binaries are now uploaded...
> 
> Time to call for testing?
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
> Am 23.09.21 um 15:48 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have uploaded all Windows binaries to:
>> 
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.11-RC1/binaries/
>> 
>> Although we have not yet announced AOO 4.1.11-RC1 officially please feel
>> free to download and test them!
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>Matthias
>> 
>> P.S.: Linux/macOS builds will be uploaded next week
>> 
>> Am 22.09.21 um 17:33 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would be ready to upload the Windows binaries if we want to announce RC1?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>Matthias
>>> 
>>> Am 21.09.21 um 23:15 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Am 21.09.21 um 22:42 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>> Hi Dave, all
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 09/21/2021 9:07 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>>>> windows - thanks Matthias
>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/912galt8kr7wiem/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.11_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe?dl=0
>>>>> Installed and tested signing a document. Works as expected
>>>>> 
>>>>>> linux
>>>>>> We are waiting for someone to do a build.
>>>>> Can sign on Ubuntu 18.04 x64 using my PGP certificate
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unless there is a problem on Mac, seems like ready to go?
>>>> It looks good for me!
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>>Matthias
>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Pedro
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Re: AOO41X: Time for RC1?

2021-09-21 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Hi -
> 
> Test builds of AOO41X HEAD
> 
> The signing bug should be fixed as long as you are using an NSS/Mozilla 
> keystore on macOS or Linux
> 
> macOS - thanks Jim
> http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/AOO-4.1.11-test/
> 
> windows - thanks Matthias
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/912galt8kr7wiem/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.11_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe?dl=0
> 
> linux
> We are waiting for someone to do a build.

Jim is building ….

> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Pedro Lino  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave
>> 
>> I can't sign any document.
>> I have my own Certificate (from my European ID Card)
>> It shows up on the Windows certmgr.msc under Personal but does not show up 
>> on AOO 4.1.11 (AOO4111m1(Build:9808)  -  Rev. 8167b394bd) built by Matthias
>> I also have a personal SSH key in Linux which AOO 4.1.11 can not use...
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
>> 
>>> On 09/17/2021 6:49 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Pedro,
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Pedro Lino  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> AOO4111m1(Build:9808)  -  Rev. 8167b394bd
>>>> 2021-09-17 13:41 - Linux x86_64
>>>> 
>>>> Compiled successfully, installed and is working without any hitches
>>> 
>>> Try signing a document and then reopening.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Pedro
>>>> 
>>>>> On 09/17/2021 10:27 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Pedro Lino  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 09/16/2021 10:35 PM Matthias Seidel  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Apparently we needed another fix...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am doing a Test Build for Windows right now and will upload it to my
>>>>>>> Apache home directory tomorrow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I compile now from branch AOO41X will it include all these fixes?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Pedro
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Re: AOO41X: Time for RC1?

2021-09-21 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

Test builds of AOO41X HEAD

The signing bug should be fixed as long as you are using an NSS/Mozilla 
keystore on macOS or Linux

macOS - thanks Jim
http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/AOO-4.1.11-test/

windows - thanks Matthias
https://www.dropbox.com/s/912galt8kr7wiem/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.11_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe?dl=0

linux
We are waiting for someone to do a build.

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Pedro Lino  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave
> 
> I can't sign any document.
> I have my own Certificate (from my European ID Card)
> It shows up on the Windows certmgr.msc under Personal but does not show up on 
> AOO 4.1.11 (AOO4111m1(Build:9808)  -  Rev. 8167b394bd) built by Matthias
> I also have a personal SSH key in Linux which AOO 4.1.11 can not use...
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Regards,
> Pedro
> 
>> On 09/17/2021 6:49 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Pedro,
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Pedro Lino  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> AOO4111m1(Build:9808)  -  Rev. 8167b394bd
>>> 2021-09-17 13:41 - Linux x86_64
>>> 
>>> Compiled successfully, installed and is working without any hitches
>> 
>> Try signing a document and then reopening.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Pedro
>>> 
>>>> On 09/17/2021 10:27 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yes
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Pedro Lino  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Matthias
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 09/16/2021 10:35 PM Matthias Seidel  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apparently we needed another fix...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am doing a Test Build for Windows right now and will upload it to my
>>>>>> Apache home directory tomorrow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I compile now from branch AOO41X will it include all these fixes?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Pedro
>>>>> 
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Re: AOO41X: Time for RC1?

2021-09-17 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Pedro,

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Pedro Lino  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> AOO4111m1(Build:9808)  -  Rev. 8167b394bd
> 2021-09-17 13:41 - Linux x86_64
> 
> Compiled successfully, installed and is working without any hitches

Try signing a document and then reopening.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards,
> Pedro
> 
>> On 09/17/2021 10:27 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yes
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Pedro Lino  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Matthias
>>> 
>>>>> On 09/16/2021 10:35 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently we needed another fix...
>>>> 
>>>> I am doing a Test Build for Windows right now and will upload it to my
>>>> Apache home directory tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> If I compile now from branch AOO41X will it include all these fixes?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Pedro
>>> 
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Re: AOO41X: Time for RC1?

2021-09-17 Thread Dave Fisher
Yes

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Pedro Lino  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Matthias
> 
>>> On 09/16/2021 10:35 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
>> 
>> Apparently we needed another fix...
>> 
>> I am doing a Test Build for Windows right now and will upload it to my
>> Apache home directory tomorrow.
> 
> If I compile now from branch AOO41X will it include all these fixes?
> 
> Regards,
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Re: macOS Digital Signature Setup for AOO

2021-09-14 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

I’ve figured out how to do this, but it is cumbersome and requires manual steps.

(1) Configure your P12 certificate in Firefox.
(2) Find the location "~/Library/Application Support/Firefox/Profiles/."
(3) In Terminal.app export the environment variable as fits your case. Here is 
mine:
# export MOZILLA_CERTIFICATE_FOLDER="sql:/Users/davewave/Library/Application 
Support/Firefox/Profiles/hk7tw91t.default-release-1631294076295”
# open -a 'OpenOffice'

I don’t see how to set an environment variable when opening from the Finder. So 
if you want to do digital signature on macOS then you will need to use Terminal.

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 11, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Am 10.09.21 um 22:07 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> Hi -
>> 
>> I think our setup for macOS digital signatures is hopelessly out of date.
>> 
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Certificate_Detection 
>> <https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Certificate_Detection>
> I didn't even know that Firefox is needed on macOS for that purpose...
>> 
>> Has anyone configured AOO 4.1.10 on macOS? How did you do it?
> 
> I have only access to our machine on MacStadium, but I will have a look.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
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macOS Digital Signature Setup for AOO

2021-09-10 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

I think our setup for macOS digital signatures is hopelessly out of date.

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Certificate_Detection 


Has anyone configured AOO 4.1.10 on macOS? How did you do it?

Regards,
Dave

Re: Translation website: certificate issue

2021-08-30 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

Should be good to go. Please let us know if there are any other issues.

Regards,
Dave

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> I just submitted a ticket. The cert expired yesterday.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Bidouille  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I don't know if infra is concerned
>> When I try to access to
>> https://translate.apache.org
>> An error occurs: SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE
>> 
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Re: Translation website: certificate issue

2021-08-30 Thread Dave Fisher
I just submitted a ticket. The cert expired yesterday.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Hello,
> 
> I don't know if infra is concerned
> When I try to access to
> https://translate.apache.org
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Re: Diference between AOO_4.5.0 and AOO_4.2.0 in Debian 9.

2021-08-25 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Aug 25, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Delio Orozco Gonzalez 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Matthias:
> 
> I just tried the version of AOO 4.5.0_en_US. I did not compile it, I 
> downloaded it from: 
> 
> https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_OpenOffice_4.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US_2021-08-24_04%3A14%3A06_8927ee86bef23fd08661b88a59493a46e7017564.tar.gz

FYI - The CI nightly builds are about to be migrated to an updated buildbot by 
Infra and locations will change. I suggest that unless the fix is easy that it 
be deferred until the Infra migration is complete.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> I downloaded version 4.2.0_es from:
> 
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.2.0-Dev3/binaries/es/Apache_OpenOffice_4.2.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_es.tar.gz
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Delio.
> 
> - Mensaje original -
> De: "Matthias Seidel" 
> Para: "dev" 
> Enviados: Lunes, 23 de Agosto 2021 11:36:47
> Asunto: Re: Diference between AOO_4.5.0 and AOO_4.2.0 in Debian 9.
> 
> Hi Delio,
> 
> Am 23.08.21 um 02:23 schrieb Delio Orozco Gonzalez:
>> Hi Matthias:
>> 
>> I download AOO-4.5.0 from:
>> 
>> https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/
> 
> I thought about the 4.2.0 version. Did you build it yourself? Did you
> test "en-US" instead of "es"?
> 
> What is your Operating System?
> 
> We need some more details, I guess.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Delio.
>> 
>> - Mensaje original -
>> De: "Matthias Seidel" 
>> Para: "dev" 
>> Enviados: Domingo, 22 de Agosto 2021 17:49:28
>> Asunto: Re: Diference between AOO_4.5.0 and AOO_4.2.0 in Debian 9.
>> 
>> Hi Delio,
>> 
>> Am 22.08.21 um 17:23 schrieb Delio Orozco Gonzalez:
>>> Hi all: 
>>> 
>>> Apache_OpenOffice_4.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US_2021-08-22_04:14:26 
>>> still does not work in Debian 9, unlike 
>>> Apache_OpenOffice_4.2.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_es.tar that works without 
>>> any problem. 
>> Where did you get the TAR from?!
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>Matthias
>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Delio. 
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Re: Diference between AOO_4.5.0 and AOO_4.2.0 in Debian 9.

2021-08-22 Thread Dave Fisher
4.5.0 is some build based on the trunk branch sometime ago while the 4.2.0 dev 
builds on based on the AOO42X branch recently. You should be testing on the 
AOO42X builds.

Trunk is the bleeding edge.

> On Aug 22, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Delio Orozco Gonzalez 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all: 
> 
> Apache_OpenOffice_4.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US_2021-08-22_04:14:26 
> still does not work in Debian 9, unlike 
> Apache_OpenOffice_4.2.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_es.tar that works without 
> any problem. 
> 
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> 
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Re: OpenOffice 4.1.10 crashes when loading .odm file

2021-08-19 Thread Dave Fisher
Oops. I can confirm the crash on the 4.2.0dev3.

4.1.10 works well. I suspect that there is something funny with errors in the 
check update process.

> On Aug 19, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> I confirm the crash as well on macOS 10.15.7 - MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2016) - 
> 2.6 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
> 
> Thread 13 Crashed:
> 0   libobjc.A.dylib   0x7fff6bc2681d objc_msgSend + 29
> 1   libvcl.dylib  0x0001038d5ff6 
> DragSource::~DragSource() + 374
> 2   libvcl.dylib  0x0001038d60ce 
> DragSource::~DragSource() + 14
> 3   libvcl.dylib  0x0001038d6608 
> com::sun::star::uno::Exception::~Exception() + 24
> 4   libc++abi.dylib   0x7fff6a10b2d0 
> __cxa_decrement_exception_refcount + 35
> 5   libvcl.dylib  0x000103b83180 
> Window::GetDragSource() + 1984
> 6   libvcl.dylib  0x000103b825e4 
> Window::GetDropTarget() + 84
> 7   libvcl.dylib  0x000103b8328d 
> Window::GetDragGestureRecognizer() + 29
> 8   libvcl.dylib  0x000103929538 
> Edit::ImplInit(Window*, long) + 376
> 9   libvcl.dylib  0x000103929346 Edit::Edit(Window*, 
> long) + 246
> 10  libsvt.dylib  0x000102dce846 
> MultiLineEdit::MultiLineEdit(Window*, long) + 22
> 11  libsvt.dylib  0x000102ede329 CreateWindow + 105
> 12  libootk.dylib 0x0001031d9745 
> VCLXToolkit::ImplCreateWindow(com::sun::star::awt::WindowDescriptor const&, 
> long) + 197
> 13  libootk.dylib 0x0001031d9b34 non-virtual thunk to 
> VCLXToolkit::createWindow(com::sun::star::awt::WindowDescriptor const&) + 20
> 14  libootk.dylib 0x00010329625d 
> UnoControl::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
>  const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference 
> const&) + 2621
> 15  libootk.dylib 0x0001032a9cf5 
> UnoEditControl::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
>  const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference 
> const&) + 21
> 16  libootk.dylib 0x00010329ec67 
> UnoControlContainer::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
>  const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference 
> const&) + 919
> 17  libootk.dylib 0x000103241016 
> UnoDialogControl::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
>  const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference 
> const&) + 54
> 18  updchk.uno.dylib  0x00010ab99df3 
> UpdateHandler::createDialog() + 16659
> 19  updchk.uno.dylib  0x00010ab95a1f 
> UpdateHandler::setVisible(bool) + 63
> 20  updchk.uno.dylib  0x00010ab84b17 
> UpdateCheck::showDialog(bool) + 215
> 21  updchk.uno.dylib  0x00010ab8a55c 0x10ab7a000 + 66908
> 22  libsofficeapp.dylib   0x0001022bc39f threadFunc + 15
> 23  libuno_sal.dylib  0x00010209db69 0x102093000 + 43881
> 24  libsystem_pthread.dylib   0x7fff6cfe0109 _pthread_start + 148
> 25  libsystem_pthread.dylib   0x7fff6cfdbb8b thread_start + 15
> 
> Thread 13 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
>  rax: 0x000103c021a0  rbx: 0x614987e0  rcx: 0x  
> rdx: 0x
>  rdi: 0x002e006d006f0063  rsi: 0x7fff7715edd3  rbp: 0x7f4f07c0  
> rsp: 0x7f4f07a8
>   r8: 0x000130a8   r9: 0x  r10: 0x  
> r11: 0x7fff7715edd3
>  r12: 0x0001  r13: 0x7fab4380e570  r14: 0x7fab3580b5a0  
> r15: 0x7f4f08e0
>  rip: 0x7fff6bc2681d  rfl: 0x00010202  cr2: 0x0018
> 
> Logical CPU: 0
> Error Code:  0x0004 (no mapping for user data read)
> Trap Number: 14
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> Am 12.08.21 um 22:58 schrieb Michael Bouschen:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>> 
>>> I just updated to macOS 11.5.2 -  "Check for Updates" still crashes. 
>>> But I have an i7 machine, so it is running OpenOffice directly. 
>> 
>> I can confirm the crash on macOS Catalina 10.15.7.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>   Matthias
>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards Michael
>>> 
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> Good to hear!
>>>> 
>>>> Amazingly, I could just "Check for Updates" on macOS 11.5.2 without a
>>>> problem/crash.
>>>> (This is an M1 machine, so AO

Re: OpenOffice 4.1.10 crashes when loading .odm file

2021-08-19 Thread Dave Fisher
I confirm the crash as well on macOS 10.15.7 - MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2016) - 
2.6 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7

Thread 13 Crashed:
0   libobjc.A.dylib 0x7fff6bc2681d objc_msgSend + 29
1   libvcl.dylib0x0001038d5ff6 
DragSource::~DragSource() + 374
2   libvcl.dylib0x0001038d60ce 
DragSource::~DragSource() + 14
3   libvcl.dylib0x0001038d6608 
com::sun::star::uno::Exception::~Exception() + 24
4   libc++abi.dylib 0x7fff6a10b2d0 
__cxa_decrement_exception_refcount + 35
5   libvcl.dylib0x000103b83180 
Window::GetDragSource() + 1984
6   libvcl.dylib0x000103b825e4 
Window::GetDropTarget() + 84
7   libvcl.dylib0x000103b8328d 
Window::GetDragGestureRecognizer() + 29
8   libvcl.dylib0x000103929538 
Edit::ImplInit(Window*, long) + 376
9   libvcl.dylib0x000103929346 Edit::Edit(Window*, 
long) + 246
10  libsvt.dylib0x000102dce846 
MultiLineEdit::MultiLineEdit(Window*, long) + 22
11  libsvt.dylib0x000102ede329 CreateWindow + 105
12  libootk.dylib   0x0001031d9745 
VCLXToolkit::ImplCreateWindow(com::sun::star::awt::WindowDescriptor const&, 
long) + 197
13  libootk.dylib   0x0001031d9b34 non-virtual thunk to 
VCLXToolkit::createWindow(com::sun::star::awt::WindowDescriptor const&) + 20
14  libootk.dylib   0x00010329625d 
UnoControl::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
 const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference 
const&) + 2621
15  libootk.dylib   0x0001032a9cf5 
UnoEditControl::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
 const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference 
const&) + 21
16  libootk.dylib   0x00010329ec67 
UnoControlContainer::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
 const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference 
const&) + 919
17  libootk.dylib   0x000103241016 
UnoDialogControl::createPeer(com::sun::star::uno::Reference
 const&, com::sun::star::uno::Reference 
const&) + 54
18  updchk.uno.dylib0x00010ab99df3 
UpdateHandler::createDialog() + 16659
19  updchk.uno.dylib0x00010ab95a1f 
UpdateHandler::setVisible(bool) + 63
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> On Aug 13, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Am 12.08.21 um 22:58 schrieb Michael Bouschen:
>> Hi Matthias,
>> 
>> I just updated to macOS 11.5.2 -  "Check for Updates" still crashes. 
>> But I have an i7 machine, so it is running OpenOffice directly. 
> 
> I can confirm the crash on macOS Catalina 10.15.7.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
>> 
>> Regards Michael
>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> Good to hear!
>>> 
>>> Amazingly, I could just "Check for Updates" on macOS 11.5.2 without a
>>> problem/crash.
>>> (This is an M1 machine, so AOO 4.1.10 is running via Rosetta 2)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>Matthias
>>> 
>>> Am 12.08.21 um 21:03 schrieb Michael Bouschen:
 Hi Jim, hi Matthias,
 
 I just saw your proposal to disable "Check for Updates" in the
 preferences. Thanks for the hint.
 
 I reinstalled OpenOffice 4.1.10, disabled "Check for Updates" and loaded
 the document w/o any issues. When I then click on the "Ckeck now" button
 in "Online Update" it immediately crashes. 
 
 So I think there is a bug in the Check For Updates function, but
 disabling "Check for Updates" is a workaround allowing me to continue
 with OpenOffice 4.1.10.
 
 Regards Michael
 
> The Crash Report indicates that it is the Check For Updates function that 
> causes the problem. Some weirdness with serf and SSL certs.
> 

Re: devtools

2021-08-06 Thread Dave Fisher
Within /Apache/OpenOffice.git repository? Or a new 
/Apache/OpenOffice-devtools.git?

+1, especially if history is preserved.

Of course there would be wiki and webpages to update.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> 
> Our devtools repo is till under svn; should we switch it to git. It would be 
> nice, I think, to use on version control implementation for all our code 
> related repos.
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Re: LAZY CONSENSUS: change IRC links from Freenode to Libera.Chat

2021-08-05 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Aug 5, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Arrigo Marchiori  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> following Carl's very good advice, here is my proposal:
> 
>  I will merge https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/pull/57
>  consisting of changing IRC links from Freenode into Libera Chat, if
>  no one objects within August 10th.

I don’t see any reason to wait. We aren’t going back to Freenode …

Make it so!

Regards,
Dave

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Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-07-01 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

The refresh is now completed and merged into the main branch.

I’ll be working on text describing the websites. The README.md is already 
changed.

Regards,
Dave

> On Jun 30, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 01.07.21 03:11, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 30.06.21 um 23:47 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>>>> I think it looks great!
>>>> I've tested mobile with Firefox's developer tools and my iPhone 11 with 
>>>> Firefox and that looks great too.
>>> I had a look on my desktop with Firefox and the difference now - compared 
>>> with the first steps - is increadible.
>>> 
>>> The menu / nav now looks more sorted and clear. The menu items are well 
>>> aligned and personally I don't miss any icons for them.
>>> 
>>> Maybe you can reduce the font size and margins a bit as currently less 
>>> content is fitting on the page than before without the need to scroll.
>> I reduced the base font size from 18px to 16px. Tweaked a lot of other 
>> margin related items slightly. I think we now have a website that reads well 
>> even on a small iPhone.
>> 
>> Unless there are objections I’ll put it in production in my morning tomorrow.
> +1, please go ahead. It looks great to me. My suggestions are only 
> suggestions and taste.
>> 
>>>> Thanks for your work on this!
>>> Yes, thanks a lot for making this possible.
>> My pleasure.
>> 
>> FYI - We can start one content updates once the new design is in production.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> Marcus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6/30/21 5:13 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>> Hi -
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like where everything is now. When I run google’s Lightroom tool in a 
>>>>> Chrome Incognito window I get scores of 94, 97, 100, and 100.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 30.06.21 20:17, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 30.06.21 19:25, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I like the look at https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org/. 
>>>>>>>>> Please review.
>>>>>>>> +1, maybe can we have some icons in front of a menu point? like the 
>>>>>>>> ASF feather in front of the ASF?
>>>>>>> The feather in front of “The ASF” is possible.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And maybe an indication which menu point we currently see. Maybe an 
>>>>>>>> arrow? (if you visit the link and you click on General you would see a 
>>>>>>>> -> in front of the menu point "About".)
>>>>>>> I’m counting on bootstrap for the nav menus and I don’t think that is 
>>>>>>> at all easy. It would likely require keeping information about what 
>>>>>>> menu a page is part of in the page along with making sure that the page 
>>>>>>> is on the menu.
>>>>>> I thought of something like this pseudocode:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> if (window.location.href = this.dropdown-item.href) then this.css = 
>>>>>> "selected" else this.css = "unselected"?
>>>>> I get your idea and it could be a way to do it and there is a way to make 
>>>>> bootstrap menu items inactive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There may be some issues with the comparison as the window.location.href 
>>>>> is fully qualified while we do not want to use fully qualified urls for 
>>>>> the dropdown-item hrefs (makes testing the site painful.)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hmm, bummer seems not that easy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So maybe something like:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> const boxes = 
>>>>>> documentui.dropdown-menu.show.querySelectorAll('#dropdown-item');
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> boxes.forEach(box => {
>>>>>> if (window.location.href = box.dropdown-item.href) then box.css = 
>>>>>> "selected" else box.css = "unselected"?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> }
>>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-30 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Jun 30, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 30.06.21 um 23:47 schrieb Carl Marcum:
>> I think it looks great!
>> I've tested mobile with Firefox's developer tools and my iPhone 11 with 
>> Firefox and that looks great too.
> 
> I had a look on my desktop with Firefox and the difference now - compared 
> with the first steps - is increadible.
> 
> The menu / nav now looks more sorted and clear. The menu items are well 
> aligned and personally I don't miss any icons for them.
> 
> Maybe you can reduce the font size and margins a bit as currently less 
> content is fitting on the page than before without the need to scroll.

I reduced the base font size from 18px to 16px. Tweaked a lot of other margin 
related items slightly. I think we now have a website that reads well even on a 
small iPhone.

Unless there are objections I’ll put it in production in my morning tomorrow.

> 
>> Thanks for your work on this!
> 
> Yes, thanks a lot for making this possible.

My pleasure.

FYI - We can start one content updates once the new design is in production.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/30/21 5:13 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>> Hi -
>>> 
>>> I like where everything is now. When I run google’s Lightroom tool in a 
>>> Chrome Incognito window I get scores of 94, 97, 100, and 100.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 30.06.21 20:17, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 30.06.21 19:25, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>> I like the look at https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org/. 
>>>>>>> Please review.
>>>>>> +1, maybe can we have some icons in front of a menu point? like the ASF 
>>>>>> feather in front of the ASF?
>>>>> The feather in front of “The ASF” is possible.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> And maybe an indication which menu point we currently see. Maybe an 
>>>>>> arrow? (if you visit the link and you click on General you would see a 
>>>>>> -> in front of the menu point "About".)
>>>>> I’m counting on bootstrap for the nav menus and I don’t think that is at 
>>>>> all easy. It would likely require keeping information about what menu a 
>>>>> page is part of in the page along with making sure that the page is on 
>>>>> the menu.
>>>> I thought of something like this pseudocode:
>>>> 
>>>> if (window.location.href = this.dropdown-item.href) then this.css = 
>>>> "selected" else this.css = "unselected"?
>>> I get your idea and it could be a way to do it and there is a way to make 
>>> bootstrap menu items inactive.
>>> 
>>> There may be some issues with the comparison as the window.location.href is 
>>> fully qualified while we do not want to use fully qualified urls for the 
>>> dropdown-item hrefs (makes testing the site painful.)
>>> 
>>>> Hmm, bummer seems not that easy.
>>>> 
>>>> So maybe something like:
>>>> 
>>>> const boxes = 
>>>> documentui.dropdown-menu.show.querySelectorAll('#dropdown-item');
>>>> 
>>>> boxes.forEach(box => {
>>>> if (window.location.href = box.dropdown-item.href) then box.css = 
>>>> "selected" else box.css = "unselected"?
>>>> 
>>>> }
>>>> 
>>>> Well something along those lines. I really suck at JS, i just try to write 
>>>> something so you have a better Idea what I thought of. Could well (likely) 
>>>> be this is rubbish.
>>>> 
>>>> So for the pages I tried this approach seem to be pretty neat. Pages that 
>>>> are not listed on the menue, maybe it is the qwuestion where they belong, 
>>>> anyhow.
>>> Actually, I would want to learn how to customize Bootstrap 5 first, but I’m 
>>> not going to do that right now.
>>> 
>>>>>>> There were numerous tweaks needed. The current site did not catch the 
>>>>>>> rename of volunteer@ to recruitment@.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Unless there are objections I plan to squash & merge after I get the 
>>>>>>> mobile view better.
>>>>>> I tried earlier today on my phone and it did look promising already. The 
>>&

Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-30 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

I like where everything is now. When I run google’s Lightroom tool in a Chrome 
Incognito window I get scores of 94, 97, 100, and 100.

> On Jun 30, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 30.06.21 20:17, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30.06.21 19:25, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>> I like the look at https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org/. Please 
>>>> review.
>>> +1, maybe can we have some icons in front of a menu point? like the ASF 
>>> feather in front of the ASF?
>> The feather in front of “The ASF” is possible.
>> 
>>> And maybe an indication which menu point we currently see. Maybe an arrow? 
>>> (if you visit the link and you click on General you would see a -> in front 
>>> of the menu point "About".)
>> I’m counting on bootstrap for the nav menus and I don’t think that is at all 
>> easy. It would likely require keeping information about what menu a page is 
>> part of in the page along with making sure that the page is on the menu.
> I thought of something like this pseudocode:
> 
> if (window.location.href = this.dropdown-item.href) then this.css = 
> "selected" else this.css = "unselected"?

I get your idea and it could be a way to do it and there is a way to make 
bootstrap menu items inactive.

There may be some issues with the comparison as the window.location.href is 
fully qualified while we do not want to use fully qualified urls for the 
dropdown-item hrefs (makes testing the site painful.)

> 
> Hmm, bummer seems not that easy.
> 
> So maybe something like:
> 
> const boxes = 
> documentui.dropdown-menu.show.querySelectorAll('#dropdown-item');
> 
> boxes.forEach(box => {
> if (window.location.href = box.dropdown-item.href) then box.css = "selected" 
> else box.css = "unselected"?
> 
> }
> 
> Well something along those lines. I really suck at JS, i just try to write 
> something so you have a better Idea what I thought of. Could well (likely) be 
> this is rubbish.
> 
> So for the pages I tried this approach seem to be pretty neat. Pages that are 
> not listed on the menue, maybe it is the qwuestion where they belong, anyhow.

Actually, I would want to learn how to customize Bootstrap 5 first, but I’m not 
going to do that right now.

> 
>> 
>>>> There were numerous tweaks needed. The current site did not catch the 
>>>> rename of volunteer@ to recruitment@.
>>>> 
>>>> Unless there are objections I plan to squash & merge after I get the 
>>>> mobile view better.
>>> I tried earlier today on my phone and it did look promising already. The 
>>> Desktop does also look great.
>> Do you have an android phone, or iPhone?
> 
> I tried from an Android phone. Sony Xperia XA2 and now Samsung S8 to be 
> exact. I use a Firefox browser.
> 
> Now I see a hamburger menu, nice. However the feather makes the menu look 
> unaligned. it is great on the desktop.
> 
> I am not a gui developer so I am not sure what is state of the art on 
> hamburger menus is, but i would intend the other menus, with the goal that 
> the text starts always at same point.

IMO the feather is good in the hamburger menu. All of the ASF menu items leave 
the site.

I’m done with UI work for now. It is time to update content. See 
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/preview/refresh/PAGES.md

All The Best,
Dave

> 
>> 
>>> I really like the fact that it incorporates the UI approach we are using.
>> Thanks!
>> Dave
>> 
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Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-30 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Jun 30, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 30.06.21 19:25, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> I like the look at https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org/. Please 
>> review.
> 
> +1, maybe can we have some icons in front of a menu point? like the ASF 
> feather in front of the ASF?

The feather in front of “The ASF” is possible.

> 
> And maybe an indication which menu point we currently see. Maybe an arrow? 
> (if you visit the link and you click on General you would see a -> in front 
> of the menu point "About".)

I’m counting on bootstrap for the nav menus and I don’t think that is at all 
easy. It would likely require keeping information about what menu a page is 
part of in the page along with making sure that the page is on the menu.

> 
>> 
>> There were numerous tweaks needed. The current site did not catch the rename 
>> of volunteer@ to recruitment@.
>> 
>> Unless there are objections I plan to squash & merge after I get the mobile 
>> view better.
> 
> I tried earlier today on my phone and it did look promising already. The 
> Desktop does also look great.

Do you have an android phone, or iPhone?

> 
> I really like the fact that it incorporates the UI approach we are using.

Thanks!
Dave

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Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-30 Thread Dave Fisher
I like the look at https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org/. Please review.

There were numerous tweaks needed. The current site did not catch the rename of 
volunteer@ to recruitment@.

Unless there are objections I plan to squash & merge after I get the mobile 
view better.

> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:35 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Top again.
> 
> There is now a top navigation menu on 
> https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org/
> 
> To dos:
> 
> - Color matching with logo and navigation bar.

Done

> - AOO logo as svg.

Staying with PNG

> - Mobile display scale.

Working on this aspect today.

> 
> Then content updates.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 29.06.21 um 18:57 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Marcus  wrote:
>>>> Am 28.06.21 um 23:44 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>> I’ve created a feature branch of the project website at 
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/tree/preview/refresh
>>>>> I’ve updated it to use the ASF Pelican features as developed for the CMS 
>>>>> Migration of www.apache.org and ten project websites just being completed.
>>>>> One feature that returns is {#elementid} and permalink support.
>>>>> Intermediate results are here: 
>>>>> https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org
>>>> 
>>>> when comparing this with "https://openoffice.apache.org/; I don't see any 
>>>> changes. Are there already changes to be noticed?
>>> The only changes to be noticed is the formatting for the three [TOC]
>> 
>> after you last changes I can see now more.
>> In general, the vertical margins between headlines are wider.
>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>>> I plan to swap from left navigation to top navigation next along with 
>>>>> other enhancements.
>>>> 
>>>> That means all links under General, Community, Develoment ... are 
>>>> horizontal links, right?
>>> Yes, and they will collapse to a menu on narrow screens / mobile
>> 
>> OK, then the number of items doesn't matter.
>> 
>>>> On the example page "https://template.staged.apache.org/; I can see how it 
>>>> can look like. However, we have a lot of links more, so how would it look 
>>>> like for us?
>>> Two things.
>>> (1) That’s a limited sample. Each menu will have however many menu items we 
>>> want.
>>> (2) I think we should revisit the menus on a case by case and page by page 
>>> basis.
>>> We have 46 pages:
>>> [...]
>>> Some of these are obsolete and many could use a review.
>>> We might want to add an “Orientation” menu.
>>> I think my next step is to make a table of the pages.
>> 
>> Yes, even with only 46 pages an update sounds reasonable.
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
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Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-29 Thread Dave Fisher
Top again.

There is now a top navigation menu on 
https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org/

To dos:

- Color matching with logo and navigation bar.
- AOO logo as svg.
- Mobile display scale.

Then content updates.

Regards,
Dave

> On Jun 29, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 29.06.21 um 18:57 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Marcus  wrote:
>>> Am 28.06.21 um 23:44 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>> I’ve created a feature branch of the project website at 
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/tree/preview/refresh
>>>> I’ve updated it to use the ASF Pelican features as developed for the CMS 
>>>> Migration of www.apache.org and ten project websites just being completed.
>>>> One feature that returns is {#elementid} and permalink support.
>>>> Intermediate results are here: https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org
>>> 
>>> when comparing this with "https://openoffice.apache.org/; I don't see any 
>>> changes. Are there already changes to be noticed?
>> The only changes to be noticed is the formatting for the three [TOC]
> 
> after you last changes I can see now more.
> In general, the vertical margins between headlines are wider.
> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>>> I plan to swap from left navigation to top navigation next along with 
>>>> other enhancements.
>>> 
>>> That means all links under General, Community, Develoment ... are 
>>> horizontal links, right?
>> Yes, and they will collapse to a menu on narrow screens / mobile
> 
> OK, then the number of items doesn't matter.
> 
>>> On the example page "https://template.staged.apache.org/; I can see how it 
>>> can look like. However, we have a lot of links more, so how would it look 
>>> like for us?
>> Two things.
>> (1) That’s a limited sample. Each menu will have however many menu items we 
>> want.
>> (2) I think we should revisit the menus on a case by case and page by page 
>> basis.
>> We have 46 pages:
>> [...]
>> Some of these are obsolete and many could use a review.
>> We might want to add an “Orientation” menu.
>> I think my next step is to make a table of the pages.
> 
> Yes, even with only 46 pages an update sounds reasonable.
> 
> Marcus
> 
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Re: [openoffice-org] branch main updated: Don't manage donation links.

2021-06-29 Thread Dave Fisher
AOO should not be managing donation links like PayPal, Amazon, and BitCoin. The 
way the ASF is doing this has evolved. Recently, BitCoin was removed as a 
donation method.


> On Jun 29, 2021, at 2:54 PM, w...@apache.org wrote:
> 
> This is an automated email from the ASF dual-hosted git repository.
> 
> wave pushed a commit to branch main
> in repository https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice-org.git
> 
> 
> The following commit(s) were added to refs/heads/main by this push:
> new d16b48e  Don't manage donation links.
> d16b48e is described below
> 
> commit d16b48ed095d7cd1dec17f4e6212a775137a967e
> Author: Dave Fisher 
> AuthorDate: Tue Jun 29 14:54:35 2021 -0700
> 
>Don't manage donation links.
> 
>The ASF removed Bitcoin donations sometime ago on www.apache.org. We 
> should not manage any of these links as it is always possible for details to 
> change and central services has no reason to expect that the AOO PMC is also 
> managing these links.
> ---
> content/donations.html | 55 ++
> 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 53 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/content/donations.html b/content/donations.html
> index 5b57dee..a99b716 100644
> --- a/content/donations.html
> +++ b/content/donations.html
> @@ -7,19 +7,6 @@
> 
> 
> 
> -
> -
> -function trackSubmissions(form, category, name, value) {
> -// try {
> -// _gaq.push(['_trackEvent', category, name, value]);
> -// } catch(err){}
> -setTimeout(function() {
> -form.submit();
> -}, 100);
> -}
> -
> -
> -
> 

Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-29 Thread Dave Fisher
Top Post.

I’ve created a table of the site pages, menu items, and internal footer links.

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/preview/refresh/PAGES.md

There is commentary for some of the pages.

Regards,
Dave

> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Marcus  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 28.06.21 um 23:44 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> I’ve created a feature branch of the project website at 
>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/tree/preview/refresh
>>> I’ve updated it to use the ASF Pelican features as developed for the CMS 
>>> Migration of www.apache.org and ten project websites just being completed.
>>> One feature that returns is {#elementid} and permalink support.
>>> Intermediate results are here: https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org
>> 
>> when comparing this with "https://openoffice.apache.org/; I don't see any 
>> changes. Are there already changes to be noticed?
> 
> The only changes to be noticed is the formatting for the three [TOC]
> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> I plan to swap from left navigation to top navigation next along with other 
>>> enhancements.
>> 
>> That means all links under General, Community, Develoment ... are horizontal 
>> links, right?
> 
> Yes, and they will collapse to a menu on narrow screens / mobile
> 
>> 
>> On the example page "https://template.staged.apache.org/; I can see how it 
>> can look like. However, we have a lot of links more, so how would it look 
>> like for us?
> 
> Two things.
> 
> (1) That’s a limited sample. Each menu will have however many menu items we 
> want.
> (2) I think we should revisit the menus on a case by case and page by page 
> basis.
> 
> We have 46 pages:
> ./orientation/intro-marketing.md
> ./orientation/how-aoo-project-works.md
> ./orientation/intro-doc.md
> ./orientation/decision-making.md
> ./orientation/intro-qa.md
> ./orientation/index.md
> ./orientation/intro-l10n.md
> ./orientation/infrastructure.md
> ./orientation/intro-development.md
> ./orientation/intro-contributing.md
> ./get-involved.md
> ./license.md
> ./style-test.md
> ./mission.md
> ./people.md
> ./press.md
> ./bug-tracking.md
> ./qa.md
> ./source.md
> ./contact.md
> ./mailing-lists.md
> ./website-native.md
> ./privacy.md
> ./community-faqs.md
> ./get-involved-de.md
> ./students.md
> ./contributing-code.md
> ./docs/edit-cms.md
> ./docs/governance/voting.md
> ./docs/governance/consensusBuilding.md
> ./docs/governance/lazyConsensus.md
> ./social.md
> ./svn-basics.md
> ./pmc-faqs.md
> ./website-local.md
> ./native-lang.md
> ./index.md
> ./terms.md
> ./translate.md
> ./list-conduct.md
> ./downloads.md
> ./events.md
> ./get-it-here.md
> ./developer-faqs.md
> ./security.md
> ./trademarks.md
> 
> Some of these are obsolete and many could use a review.
> 
> We might want to add an “Orientation” menu.
> 
> I think my next step is to make a table of the pages.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Marcus
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Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-29 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 28.06.21 um 23:44 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> I’ve created a feature branch of the project website at 
>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/tree/preview/refresh
>> I’ve updated it to use the ASF Pelican features as developed for the CMS 
>> Migration of www.apache.org and ten project websites just being completed.
>> One feature that returns is {#elementid} and permalink support.
>> Intermediate results are here: https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org
> 
> when comparing this with "https://openoffice.apache.org/; I don't see any 
> changes. Are there already changes to be noticed?

The only changes to be noticed is the formatting for the three [TOC]

> 
> Thanks
> 
>> I plan to swap from left navigation to top navigation next along with other 
>> enhancements.
> 
> That means all links under General, Community, Develoment ... are horizontal 
> links, right?

Yes, and they will collapse to a menu on narrow screens / mobile

> 
> On the example page "https://template.staged.apache.org/; I can see how it 
> can look like. However, we have a lot of links more, so how would it look 
> like for us?

Two things.

(1) That’s a limited sample. Each menu will have however many menu items we 
want.
(2) I think we should revisit the menus on a case by case and page by page 
basis.

We have 46 pages:
./orientation/intro-marketing.md
./orientation/how-aoo-project-works.md
./orientation/intro-doc.md
./orientation/decision-making.md
./orientation/intro-qa.md
./orientation/index.md
./orientation/intro-l10n.md
./orientation/infrastructure.md
./orientation/intro-development.md
./orientation/intro-contributing.md
./get-involved.md
./license.md
./style-test.md
./mission.md
./people.md
./press.md
./bug-tracking.md
./qa.md
./source.md
./contact.md
./mailing-lists.md
./website-native.md
./privacy.md
./community-faqs.md
./get-involved-de.md
./students.md
./contributing-code.md
./docs/edit-cms.md
./docs/governance/voting.md
./docs/governance/consensusBuilding.md
./docs/governance/lazyConsensus.md
./social.md
./svn-basics.md
./pmc-faqs.md
./website-local.md
./native-lang.md
./index.md
./terms.md
./translate.md
./list-conduct.md
./downloads.md
./events.md
./get-it-here.md
./developer-faqs.md
./security.md
./trademarks.md

Some of these are obsolete and many could use a review.

We might want to add an “Orientation” menu.

I think my next step is to make a table of the pages.

Regards,
Dave

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Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-28 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

I’ve created a feature branch of the project website at 
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/tree/preview/refresh

I’ve updated it to use the ASF Pelican features as developed for the CMS 
Migration of www.apache.org and ten project websites just being completed.

One feature that returns is {#elementid} and permalink support.

Intermediate results are here: https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org

I plan to swap from left navigation to top navigation next along with other 
enhancements.

Feel free to contribute page updates, new pages, and content removals via 
changes to the ‘feature/refresh’ branch.

I would prefer to discuss your ideas for css, javascript, and layout changes in 
this thread although I’m going to “Just Do It".

Infra has documentation that starts here: 
https://infra.apache.org/asf-pelican-gettingstarted.html

Here we are working on a preview branch: 
https://infra.apache.org/asf-pelican-branches.html

But ask here on this thread as I’ve now worked on 15 pelican websites.

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Re: Error while running pelican feature from .asf.yaml in openoffice-project!

2021-06-06 Thread Dave Fisher
Matthias,

I know what this is. The autobuild feature was changed. I’ll make the 
correction and your change will publish.

It is now easily possible to create feature branches on pelican websites and 
stage them. This makes it possible to prepare for a release and then merge the 
branch on release.

Regards,
Dave 

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> On Jun 6, 2021, at 5:41 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>> Am 06.06.21 um 14:38 schrieb Apache Infrastructure:
>> An error occurred while running pelican feature in .asf.yaml!:
>> autobuild parameter must be a string!
> I wanted to update openoffice.a.o but got this. Any ideas?
> 
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> 
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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-06-02 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Jun 2, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 02.06.21 um 00:07 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> On 01.06.21 21:57, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:
> I would not go for file://. Can we go for a pattern derivated from 
> file://path/document.ods#anchor ?
>>> I am not sure I understand your question, Peter.
>>> 
>> I am suggesting not to trust file:// in general, but the anchored URL, 
> 
> yes, the securty report is talking about nin-http(s) links, And "ile" is not 
> http. There we have to treat this as insecure.
> 
>> maybe file://*#anchor if you like.
>> But maybe I got this URL wrong.
> 
> Hm, I don't see how an anchor makes the document more secure. ;-)

We need to know if the file:// is already open.


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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-05-29 Thread Dave Fisher



> On May 28, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> On 5/28/21 4:46 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> 
>> On 28.05.21 22:04, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> replying to an older message in this thread.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 07:23:16PM -0400, Carl Marcum wrote:
>>> 
>>> [...]
 Hopefully we can collect the exceptions in the BZ issue noted in this 
 thread
 and then agree on the direction.
 
 The few I see so far are:
 1. in-document links beginning with #.
 2. .uno:XXX links
 3. Links to local files.
 
 I think all 3 are candidates but that's just me.
>>> I have bad news about number 1. Apparently, when the link is indicated
>>> as "#anchor", it is transformed into "file://path/document.ods#anchor"
>>> and then passed to SfxApplication::OpenDocExec_Impl()
>>> 
>>> This means that if we want to have warning-less links to the same
>>> document, then we may have to consider the file:// protocol possibly
>>> safe. We should then rely on extensions.
>>> 
>>> Suprisingly, the OpenDocument extensions do not seem to be included in
>>> the standard list of safe extensions. Such list should be in
>>> main/officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Security.xcu -- I
>>> cannot recall who brought this to my attention and therefore I am
>>> unable to credit him/her, I am sorry.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone see any possible security issues in considering the
>>> file:// protocol safe and deciding on the target file's extension
>>> whether to show a warning or not?
>> 
>> I would not go for file://. Can we go for a pattern derivated from 
>> file://path/document.ods#anchor ?
>> 
>> 
>> We had CVEs in the past working with file links, based odf definition and 
>> UNO. Maybe you can try the test files from those CVEs.
>> 

I think that we should evaluate which protocols are “safe”:
The full list is here:
http://opengrok.openoffice.org/xref/aoo4110/main/tools/inc/tools/urlobj.hxx?r=b1cdbd2c#104

There is this large source file that seems to encode all things to do with a 
url:

http://opengrok.openoffice.org/xref/aoo4110/main/tools/source/fsys/urlobj.cxx?r=b1cdbd2c#2080
main/tools/source/fsys/urlobj.cxx has a getPrefix method which returns:
http://opengrok.openoffice.org/xref/aoo4110/main/tools/source/fsys/urlobj.cxx?r=b1cdbd2c#349

348  
//
349  struct INetURLObject::PrefixInfo
350  {
351 enum Kind { OFFICIAL, INTERNAL, EXTERNAL, ALIAS }; // order is 
important!
352  
353 sal_Char const * m_pPrefix;
354 sal_Char const * m_pTranslatedPrefix;
355 INetProtocol m_eScheme;
356 Kind m_eKind;
357  };

I wonder if Kind is helpful for what should be trusted?

We are grabbing an INetURLObject here:
http://opengrok.openoffice.org/xref/aoo4110/main/sfx2/source/appl/appopen.cxx?r=b1cdbd2c#929

The code after here 
http://opengrok.openoffice.org/xref/aoo4110/main/sfx2/source/appl/appopen.cxx?r=b1cdbd2c#1040
 may be helpful.

> 
> I think the file protocol as a hyperlink was considered safe by the office 
> right up until this fix.
> 
> It seems the uno and file protocols were caught up in the fix and are the 
> primary ones causing the users problems.
> I don't believe either of these were the subject of the CVE that was fixed so 
> I don't think we're harming that one.
> 
> I would think we could allow these at least for a test build while also going 
> back and verify the previous CVE's didn't get opened up.
> 
> 
> Just my thoughts.
> Carl
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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-05-29 Thread Dave Fisher



> On May 28, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Arrigo Marchiori  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> replying to an older message in this thread.
> 
> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 07:23:16PM -0400, Carl Marcum wrote:
> 
> [...]
>> Hopefully we can collect the exceptions in the BZ issue noted in this thread
>> and then agree on the direction.
>> 
>> The few I see so far are:
>> 1. in-document links beginning with #.
>> 2. .uno:XXX links
>> 3. Links to local files.
>> 
>> I think all 3 are candidates but that's just me.
> 
> I have bad news about number 1. Apparently, when the link is indicated
> as "#anchor", it is transformed into "file://path/document.ods#anchor"
> and then passed to SfxApplication::OpenDocExec_Impl()

Is it possible to check to see if "file://path/document.ods” is already open?

> 
> This means that if we want to have warning-less links to the same
> document, then we may have to consider the file:// protocol possibly
> safe. We should then rely on extensions.
> 
> Suprisingly, the OpenDocument extensions do not seem to be included in
> the standard list of safe extensions. Such list should be in
> main/officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/Security.xcu -- I
> cannot recall who brought this to my attention and therefore I am
> unable to credit him/her, I am sorry.

I think it was Carl. Updating the Security.xcu file to include all trusted 
extensions make sense regardless of how we choose to handle hyperlinks.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Does anyone see any possible security issues in considering the
> file:// protocol safe and deciding on the target file's extension
> whether to show a warning or not?
> 
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> -- 
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Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode

2021-05-28 Thread Dave Fisher



> On May 28, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pedro,
> 
> Am 27.05.21 um 11:33 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Matthias
>>> On 05/27/2021 9:35 AM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
>>> I asked a friend who is in graphic design and he spontaneously said
>>> "Tango" [1].
>>> 
>>> But i think we removed Tango from AOO? I wonder why, since it is Public
>>> Domain...
>> Excellent! And the tar.gz file includes all images as SVG so we can easily 
>> modify to create new PNGs in all sizes!
> 
> Looked good on Ubuntu:
> https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ooicons/diff_industrial_tango.html
> 
>> 
>> I think someone read GPL (the naming utilities which we won't use) and 
>> panicked? Should we ask ASF bureaucrats before starting?
> 
> It was removed just because of that... See:
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119096

If the concern is a GPL build tool that we do not distribute (that is allowed) 
and what we distribute is PD w/ a Notice request then I don’t see any issue.

I’d like to know if Jim concurs.

All The Best,
Dave


> I think we need another icon theme.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
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Re: What to focus on next

2021-05-27 Thread Dave Fisher
IMO there are a couple more issues like hyperlink protocols to always allow to 
look into before 4.1.11 builds. So, if you are looking to build right now then 
4.2.0dev.

Maybe a thread on the release blockers for 4.2.0?

All The Best,
Dave

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> On May 27, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
>> Am 27.05.21 um 15:38 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> 
 On May 21, 2021, at 5:02 AM, Matthias Seidel  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jim,
>>> 
>>> Am 14.05.21 um 18:56 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> On May 14, 2021, at 1:27 AM, Arrigo Marchiori  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree, but how many 4.1.X versions do we want to publish before 4.2.0?
> Now that we support two digits, please let us not point to 4.1.99 ! ;-)
> 
 FWIW, I tend to agree. We fixed the bug. Maybe its not the best solution, 
 but I don't see why we should continue to "focus" on 4.1.X at the expense 
 of 4.2.X.
>>> We already made some progress on the Release Blockers for 4.2.0.
>>> But the remaining ones are untouched for long time.
>>> 
>>> What about a 4.2.0-Dev3? We already planned it when 4.1.10 got urgent...
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>> So should the push be 4.1.11 or 4.2.0-Dev3?
> 
> I don't see a problem to do both?
> 
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Re: Many subpages of the de-website not reachable anymore?

2021-05-23 Thread Dave Fisher
Hey -

The page shows for me:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/content/de/about-ooo/about-mailinglist.html

https://de.openoffice.org/about-ooo/about-mailinglist.html

Redirects to

https://www.openoffice.org/de/about-ooo/about-mailinglist.html

There are two web servers.

% nslookup www.openoffice.org
…

Non-authoritative answer:
www.openoffice.org  canonical name = openoffice.apache.org.
Name:   openoffice.apache.org
Address: 95.216.26.30
Name:   openoffice.apache.org
Address: 207.244.88.140

Yes, that looks funny, but all the Apache Projects websites are served from 
these servers.

I checked them both by IP address.

I double checked the migration directories from November and everything was 
copied.

There are 657 html files under /de

There are now 658 html files under /de

Please just state your problem and stop accusations.

All The Best,
Dave

> On May 23, 2021, at 3:18 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dick Groskamp [mailto:di...@apache.org] 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 12:09 PM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: RE: Many subpages of the de-website not 
>> reachable anymore?
> 
>> Could it be that 
>> https://www.openoffice.org/about-ooo/about-mailinglist.html 
>> (without de in the link) doesn't exists ?
> 
> Yes. This is exactly the cause. That's why I wrote that the national pages 
> are not uniform and can not be treated the same.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-05-06 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

The discussion should proceed considering how appopen.cpp is actually coded. 
I’m writing from memory so you will need to match my description to the actual 
variables and constants

> On May 5, 2021, at 5:37 AM, Arrigo Marchiori  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> On Wed, May 05, 2021 at 07:08:11AM +, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> 
>> The best approach I believe is to add a whitelist feature as for macro
>> files.
>> 
>> Users can add then the links they wish to approve.
> 
> Do you mean file-based whitelists instead of target-based?
> 
> I will try to explain myself better: the current filter on AOO 4.1.10
> is target-based, because it is the target of the link that triggers
> the warning. Are you suggesting to add a whitelist based on files, for
> example "allow any links in documents from this directory"?
> 
> If so, would you use the same whitelist as for macros, or would you
> introduce another one?
> 
> Other ideas that come to my mind at the moment, just for the sake of
> this discussion:
> 
> 1- whitelist individual targets such as ".uno:Reload" and any other
> ``complaints'' we will received between one release and the next;

There is such a list of extensions that we are likely to trust. That list has 
not been updated in some time and one change we made was adding OpenOffice help 
files to that list. We should look into expanding the list.

> 
> 2- whitelist all ".uno:" targets (but would this open possible
> malicious exploits?)

We do know about a set of protocols. There were four (IIRC) openoffice specific 
ones. We chose to trust the help protocol.. .uno is another. We should think 
about trusting all four by understanding better what each do.

> 
> 3- add a generic box "don't ask any more" on the warning window, that
> disables _any_ future warnings;

Alternatively the code has three settings of which two cannot be selected.

1. Trust hyperlinks with a certain combination of protocol and extension.
2. Trust all hyperlinks
3. Trust no hyperlinks other than help files.

We should enable the setting of once of these three existing constants of 
hyperlink trust as a user setting.

> 
> 4- add a generic box "don't ask any more" on the warning window, that
> disables future warnings for the _protocol of the current link_ (for
> example all http:// or ftp:// or uno: links);
> 
> 5- add a generic box "don't ask any more" on the warning window, that
> disables future warnings for the _target of the current link_ (for
> example ".uno:Reload" or "http://server.com/document.html;);

6 - We do need to improve the dialog to better explain the risks/

All The Best,
Dave

> 
> 6-  any other ideas worth discussing? 
> 
> Best regards.
> 
>> On 04.05.21 16:05, k...@kshelton.plus.com wrote:
>>> For some years I've had a Reload button in my Calc document to avoid having 
>>> to use the File menu. Just updated to 4.1.10 and now I get a message when 
>>> pressing Reload button:
>>> 
>>> This hyperlink is going to open “.uno:Reload”. Do you want to proceed?
>>> 
>>> Is there a way of switching off this message please?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Keith Shelton
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-05-06 Thread Dave Fisher
I think it is really important to not mix macro security with hyperlink 
security. We are discussing hyperlink security.

If you look into the bugzilla and the way we fixed the recently disclosed CVE 
you will find that mixing the two was how many of these issues have lingered 
for 15 years since OpenOffice.org 2.0 in roughly 2006.

Please discuss improvements with macros elsewhere.

Regards,
Dave

> On May 5, 2021, at 10:44 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05.05.21 14:37, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> On Wed, May 05, 2021 at 07:08:11AM +, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> 
>>> The best approach I believe is to add a whitelist feature as for macro
>>> files.
>>> 
>>> Users can add then the links they wish to approve.
>> Do you mean file-based whitelists instead of target-based?
>> 
>> I will try to explain myself better: the current filter on AOO 4.1.10
>> is target-based, because it is the target of the link that triggers
>> the warning. Are you suggesting to add a whitelist based on files, for
>> example "allow any links in documents from this directory"?
>> 
>> If so, would you use the same whitelist as for macros, or would you
>> introduce another one?
> 
> I do not think that it makes sense to allow 
> https://my.payload.crime/AOO_diskscrambler.ods to be seen as save target for 
> opening and macro execution at the same time.
> 
> Better is to have both separated. And the simple practicable solution is to 
> just add an own list which allows targets to be listed.
> 
> 
> If we would want to have a vision, where we should develop to, this would be 
> mine:
> 
> We have One list and 2 properties. 1 property for hyperlink whitelisting, the 
> other one for (macro) execution. I like our 4 security stages.
> 
> Example for a customized setup on a POSIX filesystem (security level 3 = very 
> high and 0 = low; first value is hyperlink, second value is macro execution 
> of this origin):
> 
> /tmp  (3,3) => Everything in the temp folder does not open links or execute 
> macros
> 
> ~/ (2,2) => something that is within the home path, but not a folder listed 
> below, may execute signed macros or open targets that have a trusted 
> certificate
> 
> ~/Downloads (2,3) => Downloads may open Links with a trusted certificate but 
> not allow to execute any macros
> 
> ~/onlymystuff (0,0) => this is my documents and I allow everything possible 
> here.
> 
> ~/macro_examples (3,1) => delivered example I do not want them to execute, 
> but they may be not linked by another document.
> 
> ftps://securecontent.org ( 2,2) => this links pointing to this target are 
> opened, and the downloaded file may execute macros if they are signed with a 
> trusted key.
> 
> 
> All the best
> 
> Peter
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Re: [openoffice-org] branch main updated: Reworked the entries for 'brand.html' to use the general English text when no translation is available, to lower the effort for updating the website for new r

2021-05-04 Thread Dave Fisher
We would likely split the announce off from the brand.

type=brand
home=home
search=buscar
selectedlang=ast
language=Llingua
name=Apache OpenOffice
tagline=La suite de productividá abierta y llibre
logo=AOO_logos/AOO4_website_logo.png
domain=https://www.openoffice.org
divid=bannera
~~

type=annouce
announce=Espublizada Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10
announceurl=https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.10+Release+Notes
announcetip=Espublizada Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10
~~

announce.gsp:
${content.announce}

In page.gsp:
Follow
With: >> templates/ssi_paths.gsp | 15 +++
>>> 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>>> 
>>> diff --git a/templates/ssi_paths.gsp b/templates/ssi_paths.gsp
>>> index 819a499..9a2b2da 100644
>>> --- a/templates/ssi_paths.gsp
>>> +++ b/templates/ssi_paths.gsp
>>> @@ -5,12 +5,19 @@
>>>   content.leftnav=null;
>>>   content.rightnav=null;
>>> 
>>> +// As long as we have no translation for a specific language, we will use 
>>> the general English text to keep the website updates as low as possible for 
>>> new releases.
>>> +// Therefore some of the following languages are commented out and in the 
>>> next line the general "brand.html" will be used.
>>> +
>>>   def brand = [:]
>>> brand["/"] = "/brand.html"
>>> -   brand["/af/"] = "/af/brand.html"
>>> -   brand["/am/"] = "/am/brand.html"
>>> -   brand["/ar/"] = "/ar/brand.html"
>>> -   brand["/ast/"] = "/ast/brand.html"
>>> +// brand["/af/"] = "/af/brand.html"
>>> +   brand["/af/"] = "/brand.html"
>>> +// brand["/am/"] = "/am/brand.html"
>>> +   brand["/am/"] = "/brand.html"
>>> +// brand["/ar/"] = "/ar/brand.html"
>>> +   brand["/ar/"] = "/brand.html"
>>> +// brand["/ast/"] = "/ast/brand.html"
>>> +   brand["/ast/"] = "/brand.html"
>>> brand["/bg/"] = "/bg/brand.html"
>>> brand["/ca/"] = "/ca/brand.html"
>>> brand["/cs/"] = "/cs/brand.html"
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Re: [openoffice-org] branch main updated: Reworked the entries for 'brand.html' to use the general English text when no translation is available, to lower the effort for updating the website for new r

2021-05-04 Thread Dave Fisher
+1 !

> On May 4, 2021, at 10:37 AM, mar...@apache.org wrote:
> 
> This is an automated email from the ASF dual-hosted git repository.
> 
> marcus pushed a commit to branch main
> in repository https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice-org.git
> 
> 
> The following commit(s) were added to refs/heads/main by this push:
> new b870537  Reworked the entries for 'brand.html' to use the general 
> English text when no translation is available, to lower the effort for 
> updating the website for new releases
> b870537 is described below
> 
> commit b870537b21d465b27d692e7cd7ebb67867349e8d
> Author: Marcus 
> AuthorDate: Tue May 4 19:37:04 2021 +0200
> 
>Reworked the entries for 'brand.html' to use the general English text when 
> no translation is available, to lower the effort for updating the website for 
> new releases
> ---
> templates/ssi_paths.gsp | 15 +++
> 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/templates/ssi_paths.gsp b/templates/ssi_paths.gsp
> index 819a499..9a2b2da 100644
> --- a/templates/ssi_paths.gsp
> +++ b/templates/ssi_paths.gsp
> @@ -5,12 +5,19 @@
>   content.leftnav=null;
>   content.rightnav=null;
> 
> +// As long as we have no translation for a specific language, we will use 
> the general English text to keep the website updates as low as possible for 
> new releases.
> +// Therefore some of the following languages are commented out and in the 
> next line the general "brand.html" will be used.
> +
>   def brand = [:]
>   brand["/"] = "/brand.html"
> - brand["/af/"] = "/af/brand.html"
> - brand["/am/"] = "/am/brand.html"
> - brand["/ar/"] = "/ar/brand.html"
> - brand["/ast/"] = "/ast/brand.html"
> +//   brand["/af/"] = "/af/brand.html"
> + brand["/af/"] = "/brand.html"
> +//   brand["/am/"] = "/am/brand.html"
> + brand["/am/"] = "/brand.html"
> +//   brand["/ar/"] = "/ar/brand.html"
> + brand["/ar/"] = "/brand.html"
> +//   brand["/ast/"] = "/ast/brand.html"
> + brand["/ast/"] = "/brand.html"
>   brand["/bg/"] = "/bg/brand.html"
>   brand["/ca/"] = "/ca/brand.html"
>   brand["/cs/"] = "/cs/brand.html"


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Re: [discussion] use of https://downloads.apache.org/ as a download page

2021-05-02 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

I had a follow up conversation with Infra.

We are discussing just using downloads.a.o without mirrors. We should just get 
a sense of the size by switching over either random requests or choosing a 
particular language.

So, let’s say we change the de download page to use downloads.a.o! If all goes 
well, we switch over the others a few at a time.

Keep in mind downloads only has current versions with older ones on archives.a.o

All the best,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 2, 2021, at 6:05 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> 
> So is this Mirror system Issue a blocker?
> 
> Infra expects us to say how much TB we will need per year as Download traffic.
> 
> Is anyone able to answer this question? I mean by saying a number.
> 
> If so please add it to the ticket. So the ticket can go to Infra and they 
> worry about the Mirror system distribution. It is not our job to do this.
> 
> 
>> On 02.05.21 14:23, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel=17309317#comment-17309317
>> 
>> That is why I wrote "encourage again". ;-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>Matthias
>> 
>>> Am 02.05.21 um 14:18 schrieb DaveB:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>> 
>>> That would be nice, except very few (if any) of the ASF mirrors
>>> (https://www.apache.org/mirrors/) mirror AOO. Maybe that is something we
>>> can work with Intra to fix.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On 02/05/2021 12:22, Matthias Seidel wrote:
 Hi Peter,
 
 I would rather encourage to use the ASF mirror system again as an
 addition to our SourceForge downloads.
 
 Regards,
 
Matthias
 
 Am 02.05.21 um 12:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> Hello all,
> 
> 
> In the past we have discouraged the use of
> https://downloads.apache.org/ because of Infra.
> 
> I had a discussion with Humbedooh if this is still the case. And the
> discussion outcome is, hat they only need a view days to adjust in
> order to be able to secure the service.
> 
> It may be that on peak times the download speed drops, but traffic or
> the amount of downloads is not a topic.
> 
> A topic will be to obtain statistics. I have not discussed this yet.
> But the data is not publicly available, and I so far obtained only a
> list from last week, because I figured that some are already promoting
> the link.
> 
> (With about 6k of download on friday, 4k on thursday, and 500 on
> wednseday. (thursday I figured that some sites announced 4.1.10. (They
> even link the draft release notes :P )
> 
> 
> So what do you think? Should we promote the alternate link with this
> release more publicly maybe on Forums and go for a transition to a
> different download policy?
> 
> 
> All the Best
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: Feature: automatic enter of a decimal point at a fixed position

2021-04-28 Thread Dave Fisher



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 28.04.21 17:38, Pedro Lino wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
 On 04/28/2021 4:16 PM Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
>>> Peter is looking for a function with which he can achieve that when typing:
>>> <1><2><3><4>
>>> 
>>> the cell contains the value 12.34.
>> That is correct. I just learned that Excel has such an Advanced feature 
>> which is disabled by default.
>> 
>> My answer to Peter was to the point that although this feature seems useful 
>> for some users, I'm not sure we (as a project) have the manpower to allocate 
>> to such a task and therefore I suggested a solution (sometimes called a hack 
>> or workaround) which involves simply having an extra formula in a separate 
>> column.
> 
> It is easy to get overwhelmed by the sheer amount of our Bug reports.
> 
> There is a nice talk from fefe, a german developer, who talks on anti 
> patterns. Sadly the talk is only available in german. (link at [1] who 
> understands german and wants to watch it.)
> 
> One of his anti pattern is prioritization, because that means all other non 
> prioritization issues never get fixed.
> 
> I think a good approach is the Scrum backlog prioritization. A issue up the 
> list, may be ranked as important, but still a developer can pick a lower 
> ranked backlog point, if he can fix it, but not the above ones.
> 
> And maybe a higher one needs some sort of support, additional information, 
> research for it to be fixed. Not every Issue takes the same skill or 
> experience.

Making a list of easy to fix issues for developers new to OpenOffice would help 
recruitment.

All the Best,
Dave


> 
> 
> All the best
> 
> Peter
> 
> [1] 
> https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9095-antipatterns_und_missverstandnisse_in_der_softwareentwicklung
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Re: Export Control Classification Number for Open Office

2021-04-22 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

Thanks for asking.

See https://www.apache.org/licenses/exports/#matrix

Note that the ASF makes no warranties that these entries are complete.

This is not really most projects. Projects have to self report. In the past 
OpenOffice has not.

It’s not wrong to ask if we should.

Regards,
Dave

> On Apr 22, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Smith, Mark E2  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what the Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) is 
> assigned to Open Office?
> 
> On site: https://www.apache.org/licenses/exports/
> 
> It list ECCNs for most of the projects except for Open Office.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-18 Thread Dave Fisher



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:43 PM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:24 AM, Jörg Schmidt 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 7:25 PM
>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 16.04.21 um 10:29 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 9:20 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Indeed, the way can be different how to show these hints. But
>>>>>>> I think we
>>>>>>> agree already that the hint presentation could be more 
>>>>> automatic and
>>>>>>> context-sensitive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Exactly, I agree with you on that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, then we have our basis.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Next step would be to clearify the requirements. Here I would 
>>>>> like to be 
>>>>> generic as best as possible; which means to keep out 
>>>>> technical details 
>>>>> for the moment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When this is done we can try to find a technical solution 
>>> to get the 
>>>>> requirement implemented.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> The essential requirements for Windows are clear and 
>> concern the 32-bit Java 'problem'.
>>> For Linux, at least the issues of system integration and 
>> uninstalling LO are also involved.
>>> About MacOS I personally know nothing.
>>> 
>>> Maybe it would be best if I say here that I will think 
>> about detailed requirements together with the update (*) of 
>> the German installation manual?
>>> 
>>> (*):
>>> I have to explain this briefly: as part of the ProOO-Box's 
>> work on the German AOO documentaion (see comments on 
>> http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html), I am currently 
>> working specifically on the installation manual. Problem is 
>> that I, due to lack of time, unfortunately only very slow 
>> progress, advantage is that I really binding work on it.
>>> As sorry as I am, I can't say until when this work will be 
>> done, but it will take _at least_ a few more months.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, 
>> but I recently came across (through an info on users-de@...) 
>> the following issue where I think improvement is needed (in 
>> the medium term):
>>> our download site works almost not at all without 
>> JavaScript. Namely the linking to 
>> https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/ does 
>> not help the user at all because there are no relevant 
>> mirrors for AOO. 
>> 
>> aoo-closer.cgi was an idea before SourceForge. It doesn’t 
>> work for the reason you mention. 
>>> I had already addressed the 'problem' with mirrors myself 
>> (here on this list), but got little response.
>> 
>> I opened a discussion with INFRA. These things take time. 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497
> 
> Thank you, this is great.
> 
> (Sorry, I have read the discussion there, at the moment, only briefly. If we 
> have to decide mandatory whether to use SF or Mirror, this will of course 
> have to be considered carefully.)
> 
>>> I don't want to go into both things (JavaScript, Mirror) 
>> here, but I would like to ask you to keep them in mind.
>> 
>> A download site that works without JavaScript is not a wizard 
> 
> JavaScript may be the best technical option, but Flash, *for example*, would 
> be another alternative (regardless of whether you like it), so you can't say 
> it would only work using JavaScript.

Flash is dead. But you can compile flash source code into JavaScript / css 
using Apache Royale. This is an approach that I am interested in learning for 
other reasons.

> 
> But please: I don't want to argue about JavaScript, I just wanted to draw 
> attention to the problem I had named. 

Sure.

Regards,
Dave
> 
> 
> 
> Jörg
> 
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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-18 Thread Dave Fisher


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2021, at 12:24 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 7:25 PM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
>> 
>> Am 16.04.21 um 10:29 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
 -Original Message-
 From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
 Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 9:20 AM
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
 
 Indeed, the way can be different how to show these hints. But
 I think we
 agree already that the hint presentation could be more 
>> automatic and
 context-sensitive.
>>> 
>>> Exactly, I agree with you on that.
>> 
>> OK, then we have our basis.
>> 
>> Next step would be to clearify the requirements. Here I would 
>> like to be 
>> generic as best as possible; which means to keep out 
>> technical details 
>> for the moment.
>> 
>> When this is done we can try to find a technical solution to get the 
>> requirement implemented.
>> 
>> What do you think?
> 
> The essential requirements for Windows are clear and concern the 32-bit Java 
> 'problem'.
> For Linux, at least the issues of system integration and uninstalling LO are 
> also involved.
> About MacOS I personally know nothing.
> 
> Maybe it would be best if I say here that I will think about detailed 
> requirements together with the update (*) of the German installation manual?
> 
> (*):
> I have to explain this briefly: as part of the ProOO-Box's work on the German 
> AOO documentaion (see comments on 
> http://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html), I am currently working 
> specifically on the installation manual. Problem is that I, due to lack of 
> time, unfortunately only very slow progress, advantage is that I really 
> binding work on it.
> As sorry as I am, I can't say until when this work will be done, but it will 
> take _at least_ a few more months.
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, it makes sense to leave out technical details for now, but I recently 
> came across (through an info on users-de@...) the following issue where I 
> think improvement is needed (in the medium term):
> our download site works almost not at all without JavaScript. Namely the 
> linking to https://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/ does not 
> help the user at all because there are no relevant mirrors for AOO. 

aoo-closer.cgi was an idea before SourceForge. It doesn’t work for the reason 
you mention. 
> I had already addressed the 'problem' with mirrors myself (here on this 
> list), but got little response.

I opened a discussion with INFRA. These things take time. 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497
> 
> I don't want to go into both things (JavaScript, Mirror) here, but I would 
> like to ask you to keep them in mind.

A download site that works without JavaScript is not a wizard it would be a 
form perhaps many on separate pages. I have an idea, but don’t wait for me 
because I won’t have time for a few months.

Regards,
Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jörg
> 
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Re: Code execution in Apache OpenOffice via non-http(s) schemes in Hyperlinks

2021-04-15 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

Here is some background on the issue which has apparently existed since about 
OpenOffice.org 2.0 in 2005 or so.

See https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=49802

Some confusion existed between types of hyperlinks and rather than filtering 
they were all allowed to proceed.

Arrigo restored the code and Carl added some protocol checks:
https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commit/aa358bfc895091e0ee5382ad1d25e5d51261463b

This current code will cause a warning for any http(s) hyperlinks that do not 
have an extension in the “whitelist.”

Some think that we should blanket allow all http(s) hyperlinks so I’ve created 
a PR for that:
https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/127

Topics for 4.2.0 include:
(1) A better dialog box for the hyperlink security warning
(2) Implement an option to allow users to choose from 3 levels of hyperlink 
security that is in the code, but not the settings. The levels in the code are 
essentially:
- No Security
- What we have now
- And only help links

All The Best,
Dave


> On Apr 15, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Hi -
> 
> We are working on releasing 4.1.10 soon do to this security report [1] which 
> was announced today.
> 
> I’d like to credit Arrigo Marchiori and Carl Marcum for development. Ariel 
> Constenla-Haile and Peter Kovacs for our indispensible OpenGrok setup. 
> Matthias Seidel, Marcus Lange, Jim Jagielski, and Don Lewis for builds and 
> testing.
> 
> All The Best,
> Dave
> 
> [1] https://positive.security/blog/url-open-rce
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>> Severity: moderate
>> 
>> Description:
>> 
>> The project received a report that all versions of Apache OpenOffice through 
>> 4.1.8 can open non-http(s) hyperlinks. The problem has existed since about 
>> 2006 and the issue is also in 4.1.9. If the link is specifically crafted 
>> this could lead to untrusted code execution. It is always best practice to 
>> be careful opening documents from unknown and unverified sources. The 
>> mitigation in Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10 (unreleased) assures that a security 
>> warning is displayed giving the user the option of continuing to open the 
>> hyperlink.
>> 
>> Credit:
>> 
>> Fabian Bräunlein and Lukas Euler of Positive Security
>> 
>> 
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Re: CVE-2021-30245: Code execution in Apache OpenOffice via non-http(s) schemes in Hyperlinks

2021-04-15 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

We are working on releasing 4.1.10 soon do to this security report [1] which 
was announced today.

I’d like to credit Arrigo Marchiori and Carl Marcum for development. Ariel 
Constenla-Haile and Peter Kovacs for our indispensible OpenGrok setup. Matthias 
Seidel, Marcus Lange, Jim Jagielski, and Don Lewis for builds and testing.

All The Best,
Dave

[1] https://positive.security/blog/url-open-rce

> On Apr 15, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Severity: moderate
> 
> Description:
> 
> The project received a report that all versions of Apache OpenOffice through 
> 4.1.8 can open non-http(s) hyperlinks. The problem has existed since about 
> 2006 and the issue is also in 4.1.9. If the link is specifically crafted this 
> could lead to untrusted code execution. It is always best practice to be 
> careful opening documents from unknown and unverified sources. The mitigation 
> in Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10 (unreleased) assures that a security warning is 
> displayed giving the user the option of continuing to open the hyperlink.
> 
> Credit:
> 
> Fabian Bräunlein and Lukas Euler of Positive Security
> 
> 



CVE-2021-30245: Code execution in Apache OpenOffice via non-http(s) schemes in Hyperlinks

2021-04-15 Thread Dave Fisher
Severity: moderate

Description:

The project received a report that all versions of Apache OpenOffice through 
4.1.8 can open non-http(s) hyperlinks. The problem has existed since about 2006 
and the issue is also in 4.1.9. If the link is specifically crafted this could 
lead to untrusted code execution. It is always best practice to be careful 
opening documents from unknown and unverified sources. The mitigation in Apache 
OpenOffice 4.1.10 (unreleased) assures that a security warning is displayed 
giving the user the option of continuing to open the hyperlink.

Credit:

Fabian Bräunlein and Lukas Euler of Positive Security




Re: Problmes useing changes with Writer

2021-04-14 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Apr 14, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Keith N. McKenna  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-04-14 19:21, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>> On 2021-04-14 17:36, Marcus wrote:
>>> Am 14.04.21 um 23:11 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
 Greetings all;
 
 I am currently having problems with accepting changes with AOO Writer
 4.1.9 on both Windows 10 Pro and Windows 7, both 64 bit. This is
 currently having an impact on being able to properly edit the New 4.1.x
 documentation.
 
 When I highlight and a change and press Accept in the edit > Changes
 dialog the systems go unresponsive and then crash. On Windows 10 there
 is no error message, the program just quiets, on Windows 7 the error
 message is OpenOffice 4.1.9 has stopped working A problem caused the
 program to stop working correctly.Windows will close the program and
 notify you if a solution is available.When you click the close button
 the program gracefully closes.
 
 Just wanted to check if others have seen the problem before I open a bug
 in Bugzilla./
>>> 
>>> OK; I'm starting with the usual questions to get some further details: ;-)
>>> 
>>> - Does it happen with a special document or also with more or all you
>>>   have tried?
>>> 
>>> - Does it also occur in Calc?
>>> 
>>> - If accessible for you, also a problem on Linux and / or macOS?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>> Hi Marcus;
>> 
>> It has happened with all the Getting Started Guide chapters that I have
>> tried. Haven't tried calc will do a quick test document for that.At this
>> time I only have access to my 2 Windows machines.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Keith
>> 
> I tried a quick test with calc with no problem. Then I tried an
> unrelated Writer file with no problem. It appears that the problem is
> related only from the files in openoffice-docs/Getting-Stared-Guide.
> 
> I will do some further tests on that do not appear to be touched yet.

Maybe try to do a Save As to a new filename first?

Regards,
Dave


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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Dave Fisher
Oops - https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> wrote:
> 
> I got a 404 error for that link, was that expected?
> https://www.openoffice.org/downloads/index.html
> ____
> From: Dave Fisher 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 8:11 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> 
> I think he’s talking about a new version of 
> OpenOffice.org/downloads/index.html
> 
> That already does detect the os. There’s a big JavaScript object with a bunch 
> of data.
> 
> Use your browser developer tools to see how it works.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the system and offers 
>> the download
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fopenofficeorg.mirror%2Ffiles%2Flatest%2Fdownloaddata=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=ayzw9oMuSKRSEWiBGs2TuuABpNg%2Fth7hXssZGwwVAZ8%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> Does this run from user-agent-string
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatismybrowser.com%2Fdetect%2Fwhat-is-my-user-agentdata=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=21mOAMZ8GqZFn6lzjME6rBju6y8ECKx07QL8L7Cn%2BaY%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> Common user-agent-string (April 14 21)
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftechblog.willshouse.com%2F2012%2F01%2F03%2Fmost-common-user-agents%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=FzZ67UF7P0kNzszgRrdP%2BuO%2BMZqQQeOnjJGvPII99Z8%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> From: Dave Fisher 
>> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:55 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
>> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
>>>> explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
>>>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website 
>>>> in the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the 
>>>> correct download?
>>> 
>>> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
>>> 
>>> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?
>> 
>> It seems like an alternative download page.
>> 
>> Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard
>> 
>>> 
>>>> This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities 
>>>> that will be given by the future change of the CMS.
>>> 
>>> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further 
>>> changes or moves.
>> 
>> A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
>> markdown with embedded html.
>> 
>> If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>>> 
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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Dave Fisher
I think he’s talking about a new version of OpenOffice.org/downloads/index.html

That already does detect the os. There’s a big JavaScript object with a bunch 
of data.

Use your browser developer tools to see how it works.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> wrote:
> 
> Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the system and offers 
> the download
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/latest/download
> 
> Does this run from user-agent-string
> https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/what-is-my-user-agent
> 
> Common user-agent-string (April 14 21)
> https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/
> 
> :)
> 
> From: Dave Fisher 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:55 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
>>> explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
>>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website 
>>> in the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the 
>>> correct download?
>> 
>> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
>> 
>> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?
> 
> It seems like an alternative download page.
> 
> Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard
> 
>> 
>>> This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities 
>>> that will be given by the future change of the CMS.
>> 
>> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further changes 
>> or moves.
> 
> A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
> markdown with embedded html.
> 
> If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

2021-04-14 Thread Dave Fisher



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
>> explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website in 
>> the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the correct 
>> download?
> 
> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
> 
> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?

It seems like an alternative download page.

Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard

> 
>> This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities that 
>> will be given by the future change of the CMS.
> 
> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further changes 
> or moves.

A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
markdown with embedded html.

If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Marcus
> 
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Merge PR-125 into 4.1.X branch

2021-04-12 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

The PR is all tests. Is it applied to trunk and AOO420?

Regards,
Dave

> On Apr 12, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Carl Marcum  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> I will wait until after the next release on this line and propose it again.
> 
> If anyone wants to run the tests with these updates they can merge the PR 
> into a fork and build and run them against a test build.
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Thanks for testing a build with PR.
> 
> Best regards,
> Carl
> 
> On 4/12/21 12:21 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Am 12.04.21 um 18:17 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 11.04.21 um 20:58 schrieb Carl Marcum:
 Since this is a rather large pull request based on many commits I
 want to use lazy consensus here.
 
 This PR-125 [1] is based on a lot of work by Damjan and a few others
 on fixing flaky automated tests and other improvements that could be
 back-ported to the 4.1 line.
 Also included is a fix for the 3 FVT tests that hang waiting on the
 test runner to accept a dialog.
 As I run a lot of these tests I think these are useful to the 4.1 line.
 
 Everything is below the test directory so it should not affect any
 builds.
 
 Unless there are objections I plan to pull these in to the 4.1.X
 branch after 72 hours.
 
 [1] https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/125
>>> please wait until the new release is done.
>> We have waited much too long. ;-)
>> 
>> Carl did mention that the build itself is not affected.
>> BTW: I already did a build for Windows without problems.
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>>> We shouldn't do too many things at the same time on the same loction.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>>> 
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Re: [openoffice-org] branch main updated: Update index.html (#5)

2021-04-11 Thread Dave Fisher
Two s?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2021, at 8:52 AM, msei...@apache.org wrote:
> 
> This is an automated email from the ASF dual-hosted git repository.
> 
> mseidel pushed a commit to branch main
> in repository https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice-org.git
> 
> 
> The following commit(s) were added to refs/heads/main by this push:
> new 65babf0  Update index.html (#5)
> 65babf0 is described below
> 
> commit 65babf0d26dfe5a9584da9c0169201680172b354
> Author: jeanmicoste <52637626+jeanmico...@users.noreply.github.com>
> AuthorDate: Sun Apr 11 17:52:06 2021 +0200
> 
>Update index.html (#5)
> ---
> content/fr/Documentation/Base/index.html | 2 ++
> 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/content/fr/Documentation/Base/index.html 
> b/content/fr/Documentation/Base/index.html
> index 89fdea8..e861732 100644
> --- a/content/fr/Documentation/Base/index.html
> +++ b/content/fr/Documentation/Base/index.html
> @@ -1,6 +1,8 @@
> 
> 
> 
> +
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> Démarrer avec Base
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Re: Website url

2021-03-26 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Bidouille -

This has been fixed. It was a DNS issue.

Thanks again for the report.

Regards,
Dave

> On Mar 24, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> I’ve submitted a ticket to make openoffice.org requests redirect to 
> www.openoffice.org
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>> Confirmed. I’m checking with Infrastructure.
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Bidouille  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello folks,
>>> 
>>> Something wrong if you access to https://openoffice.org/
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Re: Website url

2021-03-24 Thread Dave Fisher
I’ve submitted a ticket to make openoffice.org requests redirect to 
www.openoffice.org

> On Mar 24, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Confirmed. I’m checking with Infrastructure.
> 
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>> 
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>> 
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Re: Website url

2021-03-24 Thread Dave Fisher
Confirmed. I’m checking with Infrastructure.

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Re: Request for vote on ticket [Was: Request for Windows build of my branch "bettersave"]

2021-03-19 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Arrigo Marchiori  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:09:34PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> 
> [... regarding my problems accessing home.apache.org ... ]
>> You should at least have host access to home.apache.org.
>> 
>> That seems to be the main problem.
> 
> Do you think I am doing anything wrong?
> 
> I am a bit concerned because we have smart and willing testers for bug
> 126869 and we are just... idle.
> 
> Can I ask you and possibly other AOO developers to vote for my ticket?
> It's been two days without an official reply from Infra.  This is the
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21594

The ticket has been worked on the past few minutes.

Please try again.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Thank you in advance and best regards,
> -- 
> Arrigo
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

2021-03-08 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
 I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
 users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>> 
>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>> So, what is important for these users?
> 
> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
> 
> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.

They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.

Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.

Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 
bit windows”.

For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass 
the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89283

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
>> 
> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>  wrote:
> 
> Really no mac user interested?!
> 
> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>>> 
>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>> and
>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>> 
>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>> topic in
>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>> 
>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>> they
>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>> 
>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
>> 
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Re: [Issue 128428] Download page must use mirror system

2021-03-02 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> Am 02.03.21 um 19:39 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> Hi -
>>> 
>>> I responded. The way the mirror system works is that there is a blanket 
>>> exclusion of the OpenOffice release directory from mirroring.
>> 
>> Yes, but if I remember the discussion right, Infra could now offer AOO
>> at least on selected mirrors.
> 
> They could. There is also a variant of the mirror selection script.
> 
> But it’s work on all our parts. Things are fine now.
> 
> If SourceForge were to disappear then we have multiple disasters including 
> the mirrors.

I had a quick discussion with Infra and submitted a minor Mira issue for them 
to evaluate the current situation.

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>   Matthias
>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you think about it?
>>>> 
>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128428
>>>> 
>>>> Although it seems that only the source archives need to be served from
>>>> the mirrors I would not be unhappy if the ASF would serve AOO from their
>>>> mirror system as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>>  Matthias
>>>> 
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Re: [Issue 128428] Download page must use mirror system

2021-03-02 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Am 02.03.21 um 19:39 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> Hi -
>> 
>> I responded. The way the mirror system works is that there is a blanket 
>> exclusion of the OpenOffice release directory from mirroring.
> 
> Yes, but if I remember the discussion right, Infra could now offer AOO
> at least on selected mirrors.

They could. There is also a variant of the mirror selection script.

But it’s work on all our parts. Things are fine now.

If SourceForge were to disappear then we have multiple disasters including the 
mirrors.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Regards,
> 
>Matthias
> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Matthias Seidel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> What do you think about it?
>>> 
>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128428
>>> 
>>> Although it seems that only the source archives need to be served from
>>> the mirrors I would not be unhappy if the ASF would serve AOO from their
>>> mirror system as well.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>   Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Issue 128428] Download page must use mirror system

2021-03-02 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

I responded. The way the mirror system works is that there is a blanket 
exclusion of the OpenOffice release directory from mirroring.

Regards,
Dave

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> What do you think about it?
> 
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128428
> 
> Although it seems that only the source archives need to be served from
> the mirrors I would not be unhappy if the ASF would serve AOO from their
> mirror system as well.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: Introduction and online presence

2021-02-25 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice herd of cats. Let us know what you find! 
Scratch your itch!

Regards,
Dave

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, glad to be here. I am going to jump right in with my intentions 
> and to share some things.
> 
> During the course of this year, I hope to find a solution to UI issues under 
> Linux with regards to Mint-Y- themes and various other themes under other 
> Linux distributions. This UI issue makes the program hard to use where 
> entering data into text areas (character, pictures, save, calc etc) (more 
> detail https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=106=104563)
> 
> I tried to email direct from the list at 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers 
> but it seems this list may require update 
> 
> My main concern is that some people believe that AOO is not being developed 
> or updated, clearly this is not the case. I would like to point some of the 
> volunteers in marketing, user support/assistance and business management to 
> engage in forums and online communities to show that AOO is still being 
> developed. Specifically, I am referring to 
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ and Reddit communities.
> 
> It seems that the moderators of the forum point users with issues to use LO, 
> recently to someone with a small issue such as installing the 
> desktop-integration RPM component of AOO on Red Hat Linux.
> 
> It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so 
> perhaps a x64 edition of AOO?
> 
> What I would ultimately like to see, is any serious bugs ironed out that 
> prevent widespread adoption of AOO, I only know of the UI bug, and to see AOO 
> 4.2.0 included as the main Office Suite in Linux Distributions. <- Because 
> AOO is awesome, as are the contributors and volunteers  
> 
> My background, Mechanical Engineering student from New Zealand. I will try to 
> install AOO on various Linux Distributions and check the themes for UI issues.
> 
> Sorry to jump right in without getting a 'feel' for what's happening at the 
> moment in this dev-list. Keep up the great work on your projects everyone   
> 
> 
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Re: Introduction and online presence

2021-02-25 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Feb 25, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 10:35 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Introduction and online presence
> 
 It seems that the moderators of the forum point users 
>> with issues to use LO, recently to someone with a small issue 
>> such as installing the desktop-integration RPM component of 
>> AOO on Red Hat Linux.
>> 
>> I answer only this point: it is frequently the case that 
>> Forum moderators and Volunteers are faced with a problem from 
>> a user who is panicking about completing a project, and who, 
>> by deduction from their post, lacks computer skills. The 
>> quickest solution (and easiest for an inexperienced user) may 
>> be to direct them to another program, be it LO, or as is 
>> often the case, recommend that they revert to MS Office.  
>> 
>> Volunteers on Forum work, as do those developing, on a pro 
>> bono basis (for which all should be grateful); as time is 
>> precious to us all, Forum volunteers often take the quickest 
>> path to a solution.  It is not their role to educate in the 
>> workings of a computer or to lead an inexperienced user on a 
>> long step by step path to a possible solution.
> 
> This may be true, but we should realize that support work is also work for the
> project, work that determines the quality of AOO.
> We could improve a lot in volunteer support if we organized our work better.

The Forum volunteers are their own sub-team kept intact from before Apache 
OpenOffice.

Their tagline is "User community support forum for Apache OpenOffice, 
LibreOffice and all the OpenOffice.org derivatives”.

This PMC member has no desire to disrupt their efforts.

> 
> And I say this as someone who has been regularly volunteering 10-20 hours a 
> week
> in the http://de.openoffice.info forum for 15 years, so I know very well the
> demands of the field.

Thank you very much. You are running that service, and we are not controlling 
you.

Your service can be found, but not directly from forum.openoffice.org through 
this page [1] which may need updates.

Regards,
Dave

[1] https://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html


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Re: Request for PR reviews

2021-02-23 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Feb 23, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Dylan Pham  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I think the wording on the Buildbot info page should be changed from
> "slaves" to something like "worker" or something like that in order to be
> culturally sensitive in this day and age.

We will have to see if we can get this changed. It’s a Foundation resource that 
uses other’s software. Please be patient and don’t take lack of change as this 
project not being sensitive. Please keep in mind that we are volunteers her.

You should notice that OpenOffice is using “main” and “trunk” for the default 
branch in our Git Repositories. We’ve made sure not to use “master”.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Buildbot+info
> 
> 
> my 2c,
> Dylan
> 
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 10:39 AM Matthias Seidel 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Arrigo,
>> 
>> Am 22.02.21 um 19:28 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>>> Hello Matthias,
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 06:24:07PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Arrigo,
 
 Am 21.02.21 um 16:01 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> Dear All,
> 
> please help me review and finalize PR 122:
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/122
> as it should fix a top-priority AOO bug, and hopefully help us spot
> other similar problems in the future.
> 
> Moreover, I would really like to merge PR 111:
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/111
> because I do work on openSUSE and I cannot build AOO without it.  I
> dare proposing it as a "Good Thing" for me, and a "Mostly Harmless"
> change for anyone else. FWIW I could build 4.1.9 for Linux on the
> CentOS 5 version in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions with that commit
> included.
> 
> I'll be more than happy to answer anybody's concerns over both PR's
> either on GitHub, or on this list.
 Yes, I am a bit puzzled that PRs are so neglected.
 They are a great tool and can really speed up things.
 
 I have merged some of your PRs, but only those I could build and test
 against the (fixed) problem.
>>> That's very kind of you.  And I did receive some comments from other
>>> people as well, that I appreciate.
>>> 
>>> But can we establish a sort of ``emergency exit'' in the
>>> "commit-then-review" process, like ``if no-one comments a PR it could
>>> be merged in X time''? A sort of lazy consensus?
>> I am not sure, since I really can't evaluate the quality of the code
>> (old and new one).
>>> 
>>> Personally, I would really like to see the development branches go
>>> "live" with nightly builds. I see lots of people available to report
>>> bugs and test fixes, and I cannot submit anything to them for testing,
>>> mostly because I cannot build Windows releases!
>> 
>> Regarding Windows builds:
>> 
>> We have nightly builds of trunk and weekly builds for AOO42X:
>> 
>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/devbuilds.html
>> 
>> And you can always find my personal Test Builds here:
>> 
>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/
>> 
>> If you are interested in building for Windows, I would be happy to help
>> you with it.
>> After all these years, I am still the only one that does release builds
>> for Windows and is able to sign them. Just for redundancy it would be
>> great to have a second person available.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>   Matthias
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you and best regards,
>> 
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Re: Contribution to open office development

2021-02-20 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

> On Feb 20, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 20.02.21 16:59, Bidouille wrote:
>> A top-priority will be to work on OOXML Interoperability
>> Enhance existing import filter (lot of issues)
>> And create export filter
>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=88355
> 
> We have played around with the Idea instead of updating the code we have to 
> implement Apache POI.

POI is Java based - 
https://poi.apache.org
https://poi.apache.org/components/index.html
https://poi.apache.org/devel/index.html

The Apache POI PMC also manages Apache XMLBeans which is a core dependency for 
OOXML since the project first undertook support for OOXML about 2007/2008.

I recently saw JCC which is used by Apache Lucene’s pyLucene to wrap Java with 
C++
https://lucene.apache.org/pylucene/jcc/index.html

FYI - I’ve been a POI PMC member since 2008. If there are features lacking that 
we need it is possible to extend.

All The Best,
Dave

> 
> If there is interest I can look up some resources to get started.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Peter
> 
>> 
>> - Mail original -
>>> De: "juan francisco Minor" 
>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Envoyé: Vendredi 19 Février 2021 16:28:50
>>> Objet: Re: Contribution to open office development
>>> 
>>> I can help with any of them. Wherever help is needed. Some assistance
>>> in understanding the code base would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> BR,
>>> Juan M.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 19, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Bidouille  wrote:
 
 Hello Juan,
 Which application in OpenOffice could you help?
 
 - Mail original -
> De: "Juan Minor" 
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Vendredi 19 Février 2021 00:48:13
> Objet: Contribution to open office development
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> My name is Juan Minor. I am a computer engineer with experience in
> C/C++. I would like to volunteer my time to help out with this
> project
> should any help be needed.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Juan M.
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Re: [NOTICE] Issues building OpenOffice.org

2021-02-19 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

The builds are now restored and tested.

Regards,
Dave

> On Feb 18, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Hi -
> 
> Starting Wednesday ci-builds.apache.org has experienced issues which are 
> being resolved.
> 
> In the meantime our Jenkins builds for openoffice.org are broken. I will keep 
> an eye on restoration and will rerun the staging build once it is available.
> 
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Re: Websites: Invalid link (Bugzilla), abundance of elements (Help Authoring)

2021-02-19 Thread Dave Fisher



> On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:22 AM, Czesław Wolański  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,


> 
> 2. AOO Understanding and Authoring OpenOffice 2.0 Online Help
> 
> https://www.openoffice.org/documentation/online_help/helpauthoring/HelpAuthoring.html
> 
> Some elements (banner, announcement, navigation bar etc.) are repeated in
> the two adjacent frames.

That’s really funky.  Pages in those iframes need to be moved from the content 
tree to the assets tree. I missed that in the site migration.

content/documentation/online_help/helpauthoring/HelpAuthoring_ind-passthru.html
To
assets/documentation/online_help/helpauthoring/HelpAuthoring_ind-passthru.html

content/documentation/online_help/helpauthoring/HelpAuthorings-passthru.html
To
assets/documentation/online_help/helpauthoring/HelpAuthorings-passthru.html

Any committer can do this. 

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/tree/main/content/documentation/online_help/helpauthoring

The Jenkins build jobs have been restored.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> 
> Regards,
> Czesław


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[NOTICE] Issues building OpenOffice.org

2021-02-18 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

Starting Wednesday ci-builds.apache.org has experienced issues which are being 
resolved.

In the meantime our Jenkins builds for openoffice.org are broken. I will keep 
an eye on restoration and will rerun the staging build once it is available.

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Re: [openoffice-docs] branch main updated: Update .asf.yaml

2021-02-11 Thread Dave Fisher
Keith,

Inline.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 8:51 PM, k...@apache.org wrote:
> 
> This is an automated email from the ASF dual-hosted git repository.
> 
> knmc pushed a commit to branch main
> in repository https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice-docs.git
> 
> 
> The following commit(s) were added to refs/heads/main by this push:
> new 2e7d21f  Update .asf.yaml
> 2e7d21f is described below
> 
> commit 2e7d21f2350b00b7f81db67e9d42db0028c7c7d5
> Author: Keith N. McKenna 
> AuthorDate: Thu Feb 11 23:51:13 2021 -0500
> 
>Update .asf.yaml
> 
>Added notifications for commits, issues and pull request.
> ---
> .asf.yaml | 6 ++
> 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/.asf.yaml b/.asf.yaml
> index a09a849..d25f388 100644
> --- a/.asf.yaml
> +++ b/.asf.yaml
> @@ -4,3 +4,9 @@ github:
> issues: true
>   # Enable projects for project management boards
> projects: true
> +# Set up mailing list notifications
> +notifications:
> +  commits

You need to have a “:” after commits.

>  comm...@openoffice.apache.org
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> +  pullrequests d...@openoffice.apache.org
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Re: [openoffice-org] branch asf-site updated: Update README.md

2021-02-04 Thread Dave Fisher
FYI -

Here is the trick if the site goes missing and shows “Forbidden”.

> On Feb 4, 2021, at 7:31 AM, w...@apache.org wrote:
> 
> This is an automated email from the ASF dual-hosted git repository.
> 
> wave pushed a commit to branch asf-site
> in repository https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice-org.git
> 
> 
> The following commit(s) were added to refs/heads/asf-site by this push:
> new eae0cf7  Update README.md
> eae0cf7 is described below
> 
> commit eae0cf74fffb541d961202f49ae661edf801482a
> Author: Dave Fisher 
> AuthorDate: Thu Feb 4 07:31:07 2021 -0800
> 
>Update README.md
> 
>Trigger build
> ---
> README.md | 1 -
> 1 file changed, 1 deletion(-)
> 
> diff --git a/README.md b/README.md
> index a4f1b75..cc7c155 100644
> --- a/README.md
> +++ b/README.md
> @@ -17,4 +17,3 @@ Jenkins job. This job will need to be started manually.
> 
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Re: Website not available

2021-02-04 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

Yes. I worked with ASF Infra team to resync OpenOffice.org. The trick was to 
make a trivial change to the README.md on the asf-site branch of 
GitHub.com/apache/openoffice-org then wait a few minutes for 12GB to copy.

Thanks everyone for the report.

Regards,
Dave

> On Feb 4, 2021, at 7:35 AM, F Campos Costero  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 8:27 AM Matthias Seidel 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Am 04.02.21 um 16:09 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> It was down for some time, then recovered and now it reports
>>> 
>>> Forbidden
>>> You don't have permission to access this resource.
>> 
>> Confirmed from Germany.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 02/04/2021 3:05 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi -
>>>> 
>>>> It’s available here in the US. Would someone check in Europe.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> it seems that www.openoffice.org cannot be accessed in the moment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/ is available
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards, Joost
>>>>> 
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Re: Website not available

2021-02-04 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi -

It’s available here in the US. Would someone check in Europe.

Thanks,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> it seems that www.openoffice.org cannot be accessed in the moment.
> 
> https://openoffice.apache.org/ is available
> 
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Re: [discussion] rename the recruitment list

2021-01-13 Thread Dave Fisher



Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Am 13.01.21 um 09:25 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> I wonder if we can rename the recruitment list to something else. My theory 
>> is that a lot of people do not understand OpenSource in general, and 
>> recruitment is commonly strongly linked with Job offers. So have the theory 
>> people write us with the hope on a job.
>> Maybe a better name would support a better understanding, on how we work or 
>> what to expect.
>> Maybe something like enlistasvolunt...@openoffice.apache.org?
>> Or simply volunt...@openoffice.apache.org or enl...@openoffice.apache.org
>> what do you think? I am interested in all opinions, even if you are just a 
>> passive reader or from other projects.
> 
> I've also the impression that the expectation of this mail address is 
> different to the one we have.
> 
> The best is when the name itself says all.
> 
> So, what about renaming to "volunteering@" or "IwantToVolunteer@"?

I like volunteer@ - it is a call to action. It is the proper verb.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> My 2 ct
> 
> Marcus
> 
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Re: [proposal} Trying to re-generate the Documentation effort

2021-01-10 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Keith,

If documentation is being moved to Gitbox/GitHub then we should use a new 
repository. OpenOffice-Docs or something else?

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> Keith N. McKenna wrote:
 https://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#GPL
>> I was a bit confused myself when I first read it, but why post it on an
>> ASF FAQ site if it doesn't grant reciprocity?
> 
> Because, if I recall correctly, back at the time the two Foundations worked 
> together in order to achieve compatibility (which of course can only go one 
> way: the GPL puts more restrictions, so it's impossible to use GPL code in 
> Apache releases).
> 
> And by the way, the entire GPL discussion is useless since the wiki contents 
> will never go in a release anyway, as Dave pointed out. So people touting the 
> "compatibility" are misunderstanding or trolling.
> 
> Fact is, unless one has something personal against other open-source 
> licenses, people can perfectly work on documentation that is not under ALv2 
> (or that is under ALv2 only for the new sections) on the wiki. Unlike other 
> Foundations, the ASF is rather liberal, or unopinionated, about other 
> licenses, provided the deliverables are never part of a release; we never 
> included user guides with releases, so I think we are fine and I agree with 
> the "narrow" interpretation of the word "release" as defined in 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-552
> 
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>  Andrea.
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