Re: Another LWN article

2016-09-08 Thread Donald Whytock
Even though you were quoted three times in it?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:

> Note that the LWN article is protected under a subscriber
> paywall.
>
> I'd like to followup but I'm not going to pay to repeat
> on that thread what I've said numerous times in numerous
> locations :)
>
> > On Sep 8, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Phillip Rhodes 
> wrote:
> >
> > https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/699755/533f89639e8b53f0/
> >
> > and the associated HN discussion, although I'm the only
> > commenter there as I type this:
> >
> > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12456071
> >
> >
> > Phil
> > ~~~
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Re: Merge with LibreOffice?

2016-08-31 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:38 PM, toki  wrote:

> On 31/08/2016 16:26, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
> > The question I am left with is this: If a cousin development provides
> what you want, why are you not satisfied with that?
>
> There are functions and capabilities in AOo that are not in LibO or EO.
> There are functions and capabilities in EO that are not in LibO or AOo.
> There are functions and capabilities in LibO that are not in AOo or EO.
>
> As such, until one of those contains all of the functions and
> capabilities found in the other two, there will always be users whose
> use case will require at least two, if not all three be installed.
>

I can't speak for what power users there may be out there, but I suspect I
personally am much more likely to pick one and then defend my decision to
the death, even if it means adjusting my usage pattern to fit.  My criteria
may be financial, or functional, or even socio-political, but whichever it
is, it's enough of an effort to change my word processor AND my mind that
it's not likely to happen on a casual basis, much less a day-to-day one.

Don


Re: Use of OpenOffice logo.

2016-02-17 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:10 AM, J C 
wrote:

> Dear Sir:
> My name is James Matt Cox and I am an independent author. I am preparing
> to publish a book on open source tools for authors. May I use the
> OpenOffice logo on my cover? The book covers OpenOffice, The GIMP, Scribus,
> Artha, Golden Dict, Calibre and Trelby and will be distributed free of
> charge.
> Thank you for your time;-mattJames Matt Cox
>
>
The procedure for using an OpenOffice trademark is outlined here:

http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html

Don


Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

2015-09-15 Thread Donald Whytock
"Moribund" means "dying".  It's a goofy word, yes, which means it's an
attention-getting word, which means people will look at it and say, "What
the hell does THAT mean?" and focus on why someone would call AOO that.

Is "dying" more accurate than "dormant" to describe AOO?  "Dying" suggests
the project is in decline and will only continue to decline.  Does anyone
here think "dying" is more accurate than, say, "Stalled"?

Don

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Phillip Rhodes <motley.crue@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "Moribund" is a goofy word that almost nobody uses in conversation, but
> it's probably more accurate than "dormant".   I've spent enough time
> goofing around on Wikipedia lately, so, for myself, I'm quite happy to
> leave it as is, until the 4.1.2 release comes out.  At that point, I think
> it's clear that it should then be made "Active".
>
> *shrug*
>
>
> Phil
>
> This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Donald Whytock <dwhyt...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > There was a minor skirmish last week over it.  Looks like there'll be one
> > this week too...someone changed it to "moribund".
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Phillip Rhodes <
> motley.crue@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry, I missed the infobox when I looked at the page.  You're right,
> > > having "Dormant" there is flat out wrong and very misleading.
> > >
> > > I changed it to "Active" just now and added a ref pointer to the 4.1.2
> > > release schedule that Andrea just provided.  I just hope there aren't
> > > certain parties with a vested interest in denigrating AOO sitting
> around
> > > planning to start a revert war over this.   :-(
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > >
> > > This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Max Merbald <max.merb...@gmx.de>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Phil,
> > > >
> > > > what I meant was the infobox at the top right. In that box it says
> that
> > > > AOO is dormat, which is not correct and which is not in the
> citations.
> > > The
> > > > presence of a citation does not necessry mean that the claimed info
> is
> > in
> > > > the citation. If people read on the Wikipedia that AOO is "dormant"
> > > they'll
> > > > start looking for different office software.
> > > >
> > > > Max
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am 03.09.2015 um 23:12 schrieb Phillip Rhodes:
> > > >
> > > >> I just looked at the Wikipedia page and don't see anything that's -
> > > >> strictly speaking - incorrect, or lacking citations.  IOW, I don't
> see
> > > any
> > > >> supportable rationale for removing anything that's there, although
> one
> > > >> could question the motives of whoever made it a point to call out
> some
> > > >> concerns about lack of activity in the first paragaph of the
> article.
> > > >> Nonetheless, I think any attempt to modify that will face
> opposition.
> > > >>
> > > >> In a related vein, The Guardian recently ran this article titled
> > > "Should I
> > > >> Switch From Apache OpenOffice to LibreOffice or Microsoft Office".
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2015/sep/03/switch-openoffice-libreoffice-or-microsoft-office
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't know if there's any easy way to counter this narrative
> that's
> > > >> spreading through the press, about AOO being dead/dormant/whatever,
> or
> > > how
> > > >> LO is clearly "the winner", but it's definitely unfortunate to see
> > this
> > > >> kind of stuff spread around so widely.  :-(
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Phil
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <
> lui...@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Max,
> >

Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

2015-09-14 Thread Donald Whytock
There was a minor skirmish last week over it.  Looks like there'll be one
this week too...someone changed it to "moribund".

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Phillip Rhodes 
wrote:

> Sorry, I missed the infobox when I looked at the page.  You're right,
> having "Dormant" there is flat out wrong and very misleading.
>
> I changed it to "Active" just now and added a ref pointer to the 4.1.2
> release schedule that Andrea just provided.  I just hope there aren't
> certain parties with a vested interest in denigrating AOO sitting around
> planning to start a revert war over this.   :-(
>
>
> Phil
>
>
> This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Max Merbald  wrote:
>
> > Hi Phil,
> >
> > what I meant was the infobox at the top right. In that box it says that
> > AOO is dormat, which is not correct and which is not in the citations.
> The
> > presence of a citation does not necessry mean that the claimed info is in
> > the citation. If people read on the Wikipedia that AOO is "dormant"
> they'll
> > start looking for different office software.
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 03.09.2015 um 23:12 schrieb Phillip Rhodes:
> >
> >> I just looked at the Wikipedia page and don't see anything that's -
> >> strictly speaking - incorrect, or lacking citations.  IOW, I don't see
> any
> >> supportable rationale for removing anything that's there, although one
> >> could question the motives of whoever made it a point to call out some
> >> concerns about lack of activity in the first paragaph of the article.
> >> Nonetheless, I think any attempt to modify that will face opposition.
> >>
> >> In a related vein, The Guardian recently ran this article titled
> "Should I
> >> Switch From Apache OpenOffice to LibreOffice or Microsoft Office".
> >>
> >>
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2015/sep/03/switch-openoffice-libreoffice-or-microsoft-office
> >>
> >> I don't know if there's any easy way to counter this narrative that's
> >> spreading through the press, about AOO being dead/dormant/whatever, or
> how
> >> LO is clearly "the winner", but it's definitely unfortunate to see this
> >> kind of stuff spread around so widely.  :-(
> >>
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >>
> >> This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Max,
> >>>
> >>> On 03 Sep 15, at 16:31, Max Merbald  wrote:
> 
>  Hi there,
> 
>  the Engish Wikipedia claims that AOO is dormant. I can't see where
> they
> 
> >>> have the information from. The sources they use don't say so. I think
> >>> it's
> >>> definitely bad for OpenOffice when people think no more is done about
> it.
> >>> The problem is also that LibreOffice has just published its version 5.0
> >>> and
> >>> is getting ahead of us.
> >>>
> >>> thanks for the alert.
> >>>
> >>> Wikipedia is composed by a crowd of editors, and you can change the
> entry
> >>> to reflect the facts.
> >>>
> >>> So can anyone on this list. Becoming an editor at Wikipedia is not
> >>> arduous.
> >>>
> >>> Louis
> >>>
>  Max
> 
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Re: Draft Blog Post: Authoring e-Books in Apache OpenOffice: An Interview with Jon Holdsworth

2015-05-11 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:36 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 11 May 2015 at 14:57, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote:

 
 
 https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=authoring_e_books_in_apache
 
  That requires an editor account for the blog to read.  I though there
  was an easy way to rewrite the URL so the preview was public, but that
  does not seem to be working for me.
 
 no the preview function is only for the selected few.


 
  In any case, this is an interview with an author who used AOO for a
  book he recently wrote and has some nice technical hints on how to
  accomplish this with OpenOffice.   This should be of interest to many
  of our users/
 
 +1 go for publish.

 rgds
 jan I.


 
  -Rob


Looks good.  I assume it was an email interview?

I know what he means by the span issue, though I haven't explicitly
looked for it in OpenOffice.  But in MS Word and Sharepoint wiki editor,
every time you change font, character size, color, etc., it effectively
creates a span.  Deleting the characters in that set doesn't necessarily
eliminate the span, and the empty spans can accumulate.  And of course
each span needs its own full complement of style attributes.

Also, it's sort of instinctive to change a font or size or color back to
what it was before a particular section by setting it explicitly.  Each
instance of setting will create a new block that your text goes in.  So
you'd have a span that contains your normal text, then you'd have a
span inside that that contains your red text, then you'd have a span
inside that one that contains your back-to-black text.

All these spans lying around are like sinkholes that things can fall into
if you're not careful.

Perhaps a couple things that can help with that...

- An option to either explicitly or automatically eliminate empty spans.

- A hotkey to turn off the last style attribute applied.

Though again I haven't looked...Does OO already have these?

Don


Re: Softpedia: Apache OpenOffice Downloaded More than 100 Million Times, but Not on Linux

2014-04-18 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
 wrote:
  Havent read the article yet, but what was the percentage of Linux
 downloads
  in OpenOffice.org? And how does Apache OpenOffice Linux downloads
 compared
  to this one?
 

 I have no idea what the download distribution was with OOo.  But I do
 know that since AOO 3.4, so for the past two years, the percentages
 for Windows, Mac and Linux have remained the same.

  Also from a Marketing perspective we should enhance the download to a
  distro-specific, like Apache OpenOffice for Ubuntu and Apache OpenOffice
  for Fedora, etc.
 
  Even if you could argue, we hae a .deb and a .rpm, it makes the user more
  secure that his download will work with Ubuntu 14.x
 

 An interesting idea.  Could expand it to Apache OpenOffice for
 Windows 8, etc.  It confirms that yes, we know what platform you are
 running and yes, the download we're giving you is compatible.


If AOO is bundled into a particular distribution of Linux, I'm guessing
that doesn't count as a download...?  So there could be more actual
installations of AOO on Linux than our stats can show?

Don


Re: How can we promote Crowdfunding Project relatet to AOO?

2014-02-28 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.orgwrote:

 Hi at all

 We allready talked about crowdfunding and generaly agree, that this will
 be a good idea. I will start at the next time a p'roject at a crowdfunding
 platform to rise money for a LTS Version for 4.0.2. So we can still support
 Mac OS X 10.6 downward. I plane to back port security fixes and really
 important bug fixes. The costs will be about $2000. This just for
 information.

 The big question is, how we handle such projects? My proposal:

 - Create a site with open / in programming / finished crowd funding
 projects.
 - Make a blog about it if the organizer whish that.
 Other Ideas?


These crowdfunding activities would not be official acts of AOO or Apache,
right?  Since (my understanding is) Apache doesn't support targeted
donations or paid development?

If they're outside/independent acts, wouldn't they be, for all practical
purposes, a subclass of third-party support vendors?

Don


Re: Draft OpenOffice Writer Usability Survey

2014-02-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org
 wrote:
  On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  I while ago we were contacted by some academic researchers in Spain
  who wanted to do a usability study about OpenOffice Writer.   The
  wanted to interview Writer users, both new and experienced.
 
  You can read about the study here:
 
 https://sites.google.com/site/silviateresitaacunna/Home/usability-in-oss
 
  Since data privacy would not allow us to give them our mailing list to
  contact the users directly, we came up with the idea of using an
  opt-in survey to collect the names of those who would be interested.
  You can see the draft survey here:
 
  http://survey.openoffice.org/index.php/396365/lang/en/
 
  It collects basic info about the users and their experience level, and
  then at the end asks if they agree to participate in the follow-up
  study.  If they agree then we collect their email address.
 
  If you get a chance, please review the survey and let me know of any
  concerns.
 
 
  The phrasing on the year questions, Each answer must be between 0 and
  100, seems a bit odd, as if one is expected to give more than one answer
  to the question.
 

 Here's the issue with that question:   Our experience with the prior
 two questions is that we run into trouble when asking a  how long
 have you been type question.  We saw people entering the year
 they started doing the action.   So they would enter 2010 if they
 started using OpenOffice in 2010 rather than 3 for three years.  So
 the field validation is attempting to give an error if they make this
 mistake.  It restricts the duration field to a number between 0 and
 100.


Oh, I understand the intent.  It was just the use of the word each that I
wondered about, since Each answer must be between 0 and 100 appeared
before multiple questions.  So it was reading a bit to me that the
restriction applied to each of the presumably potentially multiple
answers to that question.


Re: Draft OpenOffice Writer Usability Survey

2014-02-25 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 I while ago we were contacted by some academic researchers in Spain
 who wanted to do a usability study about OpenOffice Writer.   The
 wanted to interview Writer users, both new and experienced.

 You can read about the study here:
 https://sites.google.com/site/silviateresitaacunna/Home/usability-in-oss

 Since data privacy would not allow us to give them our mailing list to
 contact the users directly, we came up with the idea of using an
 opt-in survey to collect the names of those who would be interested.
 You can see the draft survey here:

 http://survey.openoffice.org/index.php/396365/lang/en/

 It collects basic info about the users and their experience level, and
 then at the end asks if they agree to participate in the follow-up
 study.  If they agree then we collect their email address.

 If you get a chance, please review the survey and let me know of any
 concerns.


The phrasing on the year questions, Each answer must be between 0 and
100, seems a bit odd, as if one is expected to give more than one answer
to the question.

Other than that it looks fine to me.

Don


Re: About International Mother Language Day

2014-02-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Great.  Here is Khan's draft along with some information on AOO
 language support:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=international_mother_language_day_2014

 If there are any corrections please get them ASAP.  I'd like to go
 live with in 4 hours or so.

 -Rob

 On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Khan Md. Anwarus Salam
 kman...@gmail.com wrote:
  Here is my blog draft:On International Mother Language Day the UN's
  Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) and UN
 agencies
  participate in events that promote linguistic and cultural diversity.
 They
  also encourage people to maintain their knowledge of their mother
 language
  while learning and using more than one language. Governments and
  non-governmental
  organizations may use the day to announce policies to encourage language
  learning and support. You can visit
  http://www.internationalmotherlanguageday.com/ to know about worldwide
  #IMLD events.
  The Apache OpenOffice project is proud to help commemorate International
  Mother Language Day on February 21.  Read more about why this day is
  important, how OpenOffice supports linguistic diversity, and how you can
  help.Why February 21 was chosen?
 
  February 21st was declared as International Mother Language
  Dayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mother_Language_Day
 (IMLD)
  by UNESCO.   IMLD originated as the international recognition of
  Language Movement Day, which has been commemorated in Bangladesh
 (formerly
  East Pakistan) since 1952, when a number of Dhaka university students
 were
  killed by the Pakistani police and army in Dhaka during the Bengali
  Language Movement 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Language_Movement.
  This is the only event where people gave their lives to preserve the
  independence of using their mother language.
  To remember them there is a monument named Language Martyr's Monument
 (Shahid
  Minar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheed_Minar,_Dhaka) in Dhaka
  University, Bangladesh. Every year more than a million people give
 flowers
  there. This is a big event in Bangladesh. Many foreigners visit
 Bangladesh
  just to experience the way the Bangladeshi people give respect to those
  brave hearts. Every town of Bangladesh has a Language Martyr's Monument,
  where local people give flowers.  A Language Martyr's Monument is also
  built in Ikebukoro park of Tokyo, Japan. There are also Language Martyr's
  Monument in USA, UK, Italy and many other countries. Please think about
  your Mother Language not only on February 21 but also on other days.
 
 
  With Best Regards,
  Khan Md. Anwarus Salam
 
 
  On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
  On 17/02/2014 Khan Md. Anwarus Salam wrote:
 
  Like last year, I can write a blog post about IMLD and the history
 behind
  it.
 
 
  We are now very close to the deadline, so if you can write something we
  can look into publishing it, even though I'm not sure whether there
 will be
  enough time to complete it with some information about the OpenOffice
  language support. If someone can help with that, we could have a nice
 post.
 
  Regards,
Andrea.
 


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Re: About International Mother Language Day

2014-02-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Great.  Here is Khan's draft along with some information on AOO
 language support:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=international_mother_language_day_2014

 If there are any corrections please get them ASAP.  I'd like to go
 live with in 4 hours or so.

 -Rob

 On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Khan Md. Anwarus Salam
 kman...@gmail.com wrote:
  Here is my blog draft:On International Mother Language Day the UN's
  Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) and UN
 agencies
  participate in events that promote linguistic and cultural diversity.
 They
  also encourage people to maintain their knowledge of their mother
 language
  while learning and using more than one language. Governments and
  non-governmental
  organizations may use the day to announce policies to encourage language
  learning and support. You can visit
  http://www.internationalmotherlanguageday.com/ to know about worldwide
  #IMLD events.
  The Apache OpenOffice project is proud to help commemorate International
  Mother Language Day on February 21.  Read more about why this day is
  important, how OpenOffice supports linguistic diversity, and how you can
  help.Why February 21 was chosen?
 
  February 21st was declared as International Mother Language
  Dayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mother_Language_Day
 (IMLD)
  by UNESCO.   IMLD originated as the international recognition of
  Language Movement Day, which has been commemorated in Bangladesh
 (formerly
  East Pakistan) since 1952, when a number of Dhaka university students
 were
  killed by the Pakistani police and army in Dhaka during the Bengali
  Language Movement 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Language_Movement.
  This is the only event where people gave their lives to preserve the
  independence of using their mother language.
  To remember them there is a monument named Language Martyr's Monument
 (Shahid
  Minar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheed_Minar,_Dhaka) in Dhaka
  University, Bangladesh. Every year more than a million people give
 flowers
  there. This is a big event in Bangladesh. Many foreigners visit
 Bangladesh
  just to experience the way the Bangladeshi people give respect to those
  brave hearts. Every town of Bangladesh has a Language Martyr's Monument,
  where local people give flowers.  A Language Martyr's Monument is also
  built in Ikebukoro park of Tokyo, Japan. There are also Language
 Martyr's
  Monument in USA, UK, Italy and many other countries. Please think about
  your Mother Language not only on February 21 but also on other days.
 
 
  With Best Regards,
  Khan Md. Anwarus Salam
 
 
  On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
  On 17/02/2014 Khan Md. Anwarus Salam wrote:
 
  Like last year, I can write a blog post about IMLD and the history
 behind
  it.
 
 
  We are now very close to the deadline, so if you can write something we
  can look into publishing it, even though I'm not sure whether there
 will be
  enough time to complete it with some information about the OpenOffice
  language support. If someone can help with that, we could have a nice
 post.
 
  Regards,
Andrea.
 


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Ikebukoro park - Ikebukoro Park

Aside from that, would it be desirable to mention how any language can be
developed for AOO, even as an independent effort?


Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-19 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 http://www.italovignoli.org/2014/02/language-support-of-office-suites/

 Don't you love it when they come up with these false comparisons?

 If you look a little bit closer you see that they are releasing and
 counting languages where the UI is only 15% translated.  So yes, if
 you are willing to release incomplete work then you can claim to
 support more languages.  But what kind of support is this?

 A specific example:  Tartar (15% UI translated)

 I thought OOo had a requirement for 80% completion before releasing a
 translation.  With AOO we made the requirement be 100%.  LO releases
 15% complete UI translations ?!

 Of course, we shouldn't judge their release criteria.  That is their
 business (and their users) not ours.  But when they make false
 comparisons in a table, comparing apples-to-oranges, then we ought to
 note it.  It is not fair to claim lower standards are the same as
 greater results.

 Another example:  They've released Hebrew support at 90% complete.  We
 have Hebrew support at 96% complete, but we have not released it yet.

 Another example:  Our Icelandic translation (unreleased) is 95%
 complete.  Theirs (released) is only 88%.

 Another example:  We have 36 languages at 100% complete UI
 translation.  LO has only 13.

 Look at the data and make your own comparisons:

 https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/

 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui/


More recently posted on the blog by the author:

italovignoli February 19, 2014 at 2:12
amhttp://www.italovignoli.org/2014/02/language-support-of-office-suites/#comment-6950
Although the comparison was between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office, I
have updated the table to reflect the situation at AOO provided by that
project.

 In all fairness, even if they're not complete, it's still an impressive
list of languages LO is claiming.

Don


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2014-02-12 Thread Donald Whytock
2014-02-12 12:22 GMT-05:00 René VIDIL jrvi...@wanadoo.fr:

 Bonjour
 J'utilisais jusqu'à présent la version 3.4.1 et en cherchant à résoudre
 quelques problèmes j'ai découvert qu'il existait la dernière version 4.0.1.
 Je l'ai téléchargée sur votre site openoffice.org qui renvoie en fait
 sur heanet.dl.sourceforge.net.
 Apparemment la version téléchargée serait la 4.0.0 !
 Dans un premier temps OO s'est ouvert mais les raccourcis ne
 fonctionnaient pas message raccourci manquant
 Après avoir essayé de résoudre ce souci, sans succès, OO ne s'ouvre plus,
 j'ai décidé de désinstaller OO dans le panneau de configuration mais 
 peu après le début du processus le message suivant apparait :
 Please exit OpenOffice 4.0.0 and the OpenOffice 4.0.0 Quickstarter before
 you continue.
 If you are using a multi-user system, also make sure that no other user
 has OpenOffice 4.0.0 open
 Et je ne peux donc pas désinstaller OO.
 Mon anglais n'est pas parfait mais je crois comprendre que je dois
 m'assurer qu'aucun autre utilisateur à ouvert OO 4.0.0 alors que je suis
 le seul utilisateur de l'ordinateur ..
 Que dois-je faire pour résoudre ce problème ?
 Pourquoi le message indique OO 4.0.0 au lieu de OO 4.0.1 comme proposé
 lors du téléchargement ?
 Merci de votre aide
 Cordialement R.VIDIL



Apologies for the response in English.

http://openoffice.org should NOT redirect to anything. Please let us know
if this did happen.

http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/ is NOT an OpenOffice address, and did not
work when I tried it.

The download page for OpenOffice is
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html

The SourceForge page for OpenOffice is
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/

The current OpenOffice version is 4.0.1.

Bon chance...

Don


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2014-02-12 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.orgwrote:

 Donald Whytock wrote:

 http://openoffice.org  should NOT redirect to anything. Please let us
 know
 if this did happen.
 http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/  is NOT an OpenOffice address, and did
 not
 work when I tried it.


 To avoid confusion: when you download from the official site (i.e. when
 you click the Download button in http://www.openoffice.org/
 download/index.html ) you are, in a sense, redirected to SourceForge,
 since the binary file is downloaded from there. And the download will
 appear to come from something.dl.sourceforge.net (in Europe I've often
 see heanet.dl.sourceforge.net and several others).

 So there are no problems with this redirection. This is what happens for
 a genuine download from the official page.

 Regards,
   Andrea.


Sorry for the alarm, then.  I clicked on the link and got a Sourceforge
page that said, Whoops, we can't find that page.  I thought the worst,
that someone had managed to spoof the site to a Sourceforge project of
their own.

Don


Re: So-called Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2014-02-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Is anyone else noticing that almost no one uses the link to report
 website issues to actually report website issues?

 I wonder whether we're making it harder for ourselves by having this
 link?  I don't mind getting support questions to the dev list, but the
 non-informative subject lines we get is unhelpful.

 Maybe send web site issue reports to Bugzilla instead?


I've never actually seen this link...just seen the results of it here.  I
assume it leads to a form?

Maybe there should be a button/link above the form that says, If this is a
problem with OpenOffice rather than this website, click here.  Something
that takes them to a different form where they put in OS, system memory,
and (for all those my copy has bloatware! complaints) where they got OO
from.

Don


Re: So-called Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2014-02-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org
 wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  Is anyone else noticing that almost no one uses the link to report
  website issues to actually report website issues?
 
  I wonder whether we're making it harder for ourselves by having this
  link?  I don't mind getting support questions to the dev list, but the
  non-informative subject lines we get is unhelpful.
 
  Maybe send web site issue reports to Bugzilla instead?
 
 
  I've never actually seen this link...just seen the results of it here.  I
  assume it leads to a form?
 

 In the footer of every www.openoffice.org page there is a contact us
 link.  That loads this page:

 http://www.openoffice.org/contact_us.html

 Notice that user, unless they are standing on their heads and reading
 from the bottom of the page up, must ignore the advice for support
 questions, ignore the advice for reporting bugs, ignore the note that
 says that the following instructions are *not* for user support, and
 then click the link that clearly says it is for reporting website
 issues.

 I'm at a loss at how it happens that users reach that point.

 -Rob


Yeah...I'd been assuming it was just too easy an option, but looking at
that page...I got nuthin'.

Unless you want to take the Douglas Adams approach...put the link on a
local copy of the webpage stored on a laptop in a filing cabinet in the
basement with a Beware of the Leopard sign.  But that doesn't really
stimulate community...

Don


Re: Application Review - OpenOffice

2014-02-06 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 We did receive your 27-page long questionnaire regarding the
 capabilities and license of the OpenOffice application.   There may be
 some misunderstanding here.


I'm tempted to put that on my cube wall as a quote.


Re: isn't comprised of

2014-02-04 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Rob Weir wrote:
  On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
  On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 00:07:25 -0500
  E. Ward eward...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  Dear Brilliant OOers,
 
  About comprise.
 
  You write, is comprised of six personal productivity applications
 
  Actually, it's, six personal productivity application comprise OO.
 
  That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all
 the time . . . except . . .
 
  I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to
 exploit OO to its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
  Thank you, EWard
 
  Even simpler is to say OpenOffice comprises six personal productivity
 applications
 
 
  The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd edition, gives the passive used
  comprised of, meaning to be composed of, to consist of, attested
  back to 1874.   So there is nothing incorrect about the current
  wording.  To my ears it sounds more natural than your version.  I
  wonder if this is an American/British usage difference?

 Quite possibly. Or even more, a kind of temporal/regional thing: usage
 patterns, like pronunciation, change as this or that population gains
 linguistic dominance (i.e., we do what they do speechwise, even if it
 ain't the Queen's English, or even Twain's).

 But to comprise. I agree with Rob. And that has nothing to do with my
 having a phd in the field. Grammar rules are conventions that serve to
 clarify logical speech operations so that communication is made easier.
 If communication is actually not made easier, then

 But what I usually do, in much of my own writing, is use compose. The
 only rule I like to follow with comprise is that it refers to the
 totality of the objects making up the whole, thus, n comprises y, and
 that should mean that all of y are the n components. But even here,
 there are slippages, and there is no reason that identities need stay
 fixed.

 But along these lines, the only logical insistence one might have in
 grammar is to follow the math: are is plural, none takes the singular,
 as do neither and either and others that logically refer to singles not
 plurals, if read differently. (I shut my eyes to who/whom violations. I
 have not given up hope on this, but do despair. People, it's not that
 hard. Just put it into Latin and think: accusitive, dative; you know,
 it's easy! Much easier than using that Attic Greek you avoided
 memorizing in school.)

 Salve,
 Lovis

 PS, Louis Menand's take down of grammarians protesting too much is worth
 the read, as is, of course Twain's.
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob
 
  --
  Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
 
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One could argue that comprise has more general utility than compose, in
that one commonly hears A is composed of B but not B composes A (unless
B stands for Beethoven).  Whereas A comprises B does sort of imply B is
comprised of A,  assuming is comprised of is valid usage at all.

But yeah, I'd've used is composed of too.  Or simply includes.

Don


Re: Call for Comments: Apache OpenOffice Distributor Best Practices

2014-01-22 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  Details are here:
 
  https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_comments_apache_openoffice
 

 It has been over a month since we put out this call for comments.  You
 can see some of them in this thread, as well as with the blog post:


 https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_comments_apache_openoffice#comments

 The response was generally positive.  However, the volume of responses
 was rather low.  So I do wonder whether there is a large unmet need
 for this.  For example, we have not (to my knowledge) received
 requests for a CD on the mailing list in months now.

 Another data point:  the webpage that is #1 in Google search results
 for the query openoffice cd is:

 http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/

 It receives around 7 visits per day.  Any proposal we came up with
 would be findable to user mainly through that same mechanism --
 searching Google.   Is it worth setting something up for 7 users per
 day?

 Note:  if we removed our web pages that discuss OpenOffice CD's, the
 top link would be a vendor on Amazon.com selling an OpenOffice CD.  So
 in a sense, if we just get out of the way, it would tend to work.
 The risk would be if we see vendors starting to scam users.

 Next steps?  If anyone really wants to have a CD distributor listing,
 I can help.  But it is not sufficiently high on my priority list to
 carry this by myself.  Someone else would need to take the lead.

 Regards,

 -Rob


If you want to take a get out of the way approach, would you nevertheless
want to put up signature files for official releases, such that anything
one does buy can at least be verified before it's installed?

Might be too late at that point to get one's money back, but it could save
the buyer some grief with his machine.  And give the buyer grounds to out a
fraudulent purveyor.

Don


Re: Are there any legal repercussions for banning users from mailing lists?

2014-01-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:

 On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:27:09 -0500
 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

  We (Apache OpenOffice) recently had a user subscribe our users mailing
  list (500+ subscribers), and cause general disruption:
 
  1) Many posts (20+) in a short period of time
 
  2) Posts were off topic
 
  3) She attacked list moderators and other members of the list
 
  4) She threatened that she would report anyone who flamed her to their
  ISP or the Department of Justice for hate crimes.  I was cc'ed on one
  email where she did exactly that to another subscriber of the mailing
  list.
 
  Said person never asked a single question regarding the use of
  OpenOffice, which is the purpose of the users mailing list.
 
  We had several complaints from other users, and several unsubscribed
  because they could not deal with the disruption.  As list moderator I
  banned her.
 
  Then she started flooding our private mailing list, claiming that we
  were violating her civil rights, violating the Americans with
  Disabilities Act, etc., because we banned her.  Reading between the
  lines it sounds like she is claiming the mailing list is a place of
  public accommodation and her disability (which seems to be form of
  ADHD) prevents her from controlling her conduct on the mailing list.
 
  We then banned her from mailing to the private list as well.  But now
  she has started using a new email address, sending more complaints and
  threatening to report us to the Justice Department in two weeks if we
  don't allow her back on the users list.
 
  PMC members are split on whether to ignore her, engage her, ban her, etc.
 
  Note:  she has not requested any specific accommodation.
 
  In my most-recent note to her I wrote:
 
  If you do have a technical question about Apache OpenOffice, I want to
  make sure you are aware that there are several other avenues for
  support described here:
 
  http://www.openoffice.org/support/
 
  If you get stuck on any of those support options, feel free to send me
  a note directly and I, acting as your personal support concierge, will
  point you in the right direction and try to accommodate any special
  needs.
 
  So no one can accuse us of not making a good faith to accommodate her.
   But this has not helped.
 
  Any thoughts on this?  Is there any risk to the ASF or our volunteers
  in moderating mailing lists or banning disruptive users?

 I was always told that the right of free speech was hedged with
 responsibilities. For example one cannot (unwarrantedly) shout Fire in a
 crowded theatre. But this is a European interpretation. US interpretation
 may differ.

 Re the person responsible - if she has been warned about off-topic and
 has repeatedly posted off-topic, then ban her strictly for that - breach
 of Forum rules, nothing to involve her civil rights.


IANAL, but my understanding has been that constitutional rights are
limitations on government, and pretty much government only.  Individuals
and private organizations can make whatever rules they see fit for conduct
in their facilities, within the bounds of criminal law.

ASF as an institution, and its projects in particular, are very opt-in.
 There's no requirement to accommodate anyone because there's no
requirement for anyone to partake.

But again, IANAL.

Don


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2013-12-31 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net
 wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Southwest Media wrote:
  I cannot find an acceptable contact for my problem with open
  office and I HATE forums they are for lazy companies who do not
  want to service customers..
 
  I have a question who at this organization can I e mail my
  question too??
 
  I cant stop this crazy thing from trying to self correct and its
  doing it all wrong so I take half an hour to type a sentence this
  is NUTTS!!! What is wrong with this thing???
 
  Please tell me who in tech I can e mail director I can just go
  find a soft ware competitor
 
 First understand that this is not a company. OpenOffice is open source
 software created and maintained by volunteers under the auspices of the
 Apache Software Foundation. Therefore there is not a person that you can
 send questions to.

 There is nothing wrong with it, it is simply proceeding under the
 default autocorrect options. These options can be changed by the user.
 In Writer go to Tools-autocorrect options and set the options you
 want on the different tabs.

 Regards
 Keith McKenna


Adding the originator.


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2013-12-18 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:24 PM, grumpy rp...@q.com wrote:


 From this page:
 http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html

 taking the link Installation FAQ which goes here:
 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/Installation

 results in this message:

 There is a problem with this website's security certificate.

  The security certificate presented by this website was issued for a
 different website's address.


Confirmed in IE8.  Though I don't get it in Chrome.

Don


Re: new version

2013-12-16 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic 
stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 Where I can download the newest version of AOO, for testing purpose?

 Regards,
 Wlada


Usually from openoffice.org.  Specifically,

http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

Or do you mean the newest pre-release version?

Don


Re: draft blog post: Call for Comments: Apache OpenOffice Distributor Best Practices

2013-12-04 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Keith N. McKenna
keith.mcke...@comcast.netwrote:

 Change CDs to CD's.


Why?


Re: Openoffice is being sold on ebay

2013-11-29 Thread Donald Whytock
Hi Luis...

Thank you for your concern.  However, since Apache OpenOffice is free to
distribute and re-distribute, it's considered legal to sell it on Ebay,
inasmuch as it's a sale of a CD/DVD that happens to have AOO on it.

Please note that Apache does not endorse or guarantee any copy of AOO not
downloaded from an AOO site.

Don

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Jorg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:

 Hello,

  -Original Message-
  From: luis e [mailto:didakti...@hotmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:35 AM
  To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
  Subject: Openoffice is being sold on ebay
 
  To whom it may concern:
 
  I found out that there are sellers in ebay selling CDs with
  Openoffice. You can see some examples here:
 
  http://m.ebay.com/itm/251386841813?nav=SEARCHsbk=1
 
  http://m.ebay.com/itm/251388556478?nav=SEARCHsbk=1
 
  I will try to contact ebay to let them know about this issue.


 And what problem do you see?

 It's very welcome if OpenOffice is sold, because thereby it becomes
 widespread.

 See the arguments in:
 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html.en


 Greetings,
 Jorg


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Re: Openoffice is being sold on ebay

2013-11-29 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.dewrote:

 Hello,

  From: dwhyt...@gmail.com [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com] On

  Please note that Apache does not endorse or guarantee any
  copy of AOO not
  downloaded from an AOO site.

 Is not it better to say that in general there is no guarantee it, no
 matter where
 the download comes from? (Or do I misunderstand your statement?)

 See point 7 in:
 http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html


We don't warrant AOO in any case...we provide it as-is.  However,  we can
state that binaries people download from AOO sites are built from AOO
source and don't contain anything else; we can't guarantee that for copies
from any place else.

Don


Re: Openoffice is being sold on ebay

2013-11-29 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.dewrote:

  We don't warrant AOO in any case...we provide it as-is.
  However,  we can
  state that binaries people download from AOO sites are built from AOO
  source and don't contain anything else; we can't guarantee
  that for copies
  from any place else.

 Possible. But why should we do that _explicitly_?

 If, this point really matter then he should be in the license, it is,
 however,
 only marginally important, we should not especially mention it because to
 guarantee also includes a legal aspect.

 A legally effective promise we can not keep, is rather bad for our
 reputation, so
 it is better to promise less and deliver more than to promise more and
 keep less.

 No, no misunderstanding, I'm sure the binaries coming from the Apache
 pages, 99.9%
 sure are (likely to 99.9 ...) but not 100%, and why should we do so as
 if our
 server are invulnerable?


We make that statement on kind of a regular basis.  There are people who
email the list, either directly or through the web form, saying, AOO
installed a toolbar!, AOO installed bloatware!, AOO installed a
virus!, etc.  Our routine answer to this is that, no, AOO downloaded from
AOO sites doesn't install any of those things; if it did, they didn't get
it from us.

Don


Re: Openoffice is being sold on ebay

2013-11-29 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Regina Henschel
rb.hensc...@t-online.dewrote:

 But I'm concerned about the way the product is shown. For example in
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-Office-Word-Excel-
 Compatible-Open-Office-Professional-Edition-2013/281137965681
 Either it is not our OpenOffice, then it may not named so, or it is our
 OpenOffice, then Apache and trade mark is missing.

 Or this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Open-Office-Microsoft-Word-Excel-
 2007-2010-Compatible-Pro-Professional-Software/150935048983
 From content is is likely an OpenOffice.org 3.4.1, but the box says MT
 Software Solutions OpenOffice Suite. It gives the impression, that the
 application is developed by MT Software Solution.


I seem to recall from the handoff from Oracle that OpenOffice isn't an
Apache trademark...that we have Apache OpenOffice now, and that
OpenOffice.org came with the license, but we didn't receive OpenOffice
because it was being used in too many different countries by too many
different people.

So as long as they're not actually using Apache trademarks (including the
gulls, the feather, etc.) I suppose they can call it whatever they want,
even if it's just a hello world VBscript inside.

Don - not a lawyer


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice web site

2013-11-21 Thread Donald Whytock
Hi Michel...

Apologies for the response in English.

By Outlook, do you mean email?  Apache OpenOffice does not currently have
an email client.

Don


2013/11/21 Michel de CENAC m.per...@sfr.fr

 Bonjour et un grand merci pour m’avoir permis de charger votre OpenOffice
 4.0.1 (gratuitement).
 Elle fonctionne très bien.

 Par contre, je suis à la recherche de Outlook !
 l’avez-vous dans vote site Web ?
 Sinon ... Ou puis-je la trouver ?

 Mr Michel PERES
 1, avenue de Lignan
 33360 CENAC
 FRANCE

 m.per...@sfr.fr
 tél : 05 56 20 75 82


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2013-11-15 Thread Donald Whytock
2013/11/15 couvreur laurence couvre...@yahoo.fr

 Bonjour,

 Le 23.10.2013 à 19h09 j'ai téléchargé une version normalement gratuite
 d'open office sur votre site internet.
 Pour cela il fallait envoyer 2 sms pour obtenir des codes afin de
 poursuivre le téléchargement.
 Aujourd'hui ces 2 sms me sont facturés 10euros TTC par mon opérateur!
 Aussi la notion de gratuité n'est elle pas l’absence de transaction
 financière?
 Cordialement,

 Laurence Couvreur.


openoffice.org ?


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2013-11-15 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 11/15/2013 07:29 PM, schrieb couvreur laurence:

  Bonjour,

 Le 23.10.2013 à 19h09 j'ai téléchargé une version normalement gratuite
 d'open office sur votre site internet.
 Pour cela il fallait envoyer 2 sms pour obtenir des codes afin de
 poursuivre le téléchargement.
 Aujourd'hui ces 2 sms me sont facturés 10euros TTC par mon opérateur!
 Aussi la notion de gratuité n'est elle pas l’absence de transaction
 financière?
 Cordialement,

 Laurence Couvreur.


 First of all, this is an English-speaking mailing list. I don't know any
 French, so please allow me to answer in English.



 You cannot have downloaded OpenOffice from our (www.openoffice.org)
 website as we don't charge any money to download our software.

 In general, please download only from the original vendor or at least from
 approved/trusted 3rd party websites.

 For Apache OpenOffice please use only the following download webpage. This
 will forward you to a download offering from our partner SourgeForge:

 http://www.openoffice.org/download/

 HTH

 Marcus



 FYI - English translation from Google:

 On 23.10.2013 at 19h09 I downloaded a free version of normally open office
 on your website.
 For this it was necessary to send 2 sms to obtain codes to continue
 downloading.
 Today these two sms are charged me 10 euros TTC per my operator!
 Also the notion of free Is not the lack of financial transaction?


Assuming the translation worked properly, he's not saying he was charged
money for the download.  He's saying whatever site he was downloading from
required him to send two text messages in order to get a validation code
for the download.  Then whoever he sent the texts to billed his phone.

I'm guessing whatever site he used not only misrepresented AOO, it also
misrepresented free and ripped him off.

I find it ironic that there are two ads in my Gmail session as I type this
offering Free OpenOffice Download.

Don


Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility Support

2013-11-13 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
 trunk, which I understand will be soon:

 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to

 Does anyone have anything else to add?  A quote from an assistive
 technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.


 Looks good in general.  How does vision-impaired compare to blind or
low-sight?

Don


Re: Interested in a technical cross-platform mailing?

2013-11-12 Thread Donald Whytock
...Does that bottom part mean this mailing list is subscribed to his
mailing list?

Don


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:54 PM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe 
mengualjean...@free.fr wrote:

 Hi, We have just founded a group, called liberte0 (Freedom 0). Its purpose
 is to promote the accessibility for everybody, so that a high variety of
 users know the free software in accessibility matter, and to let a place so
 that people can have info on accessibility. This group is French, so our
 core mailing is in French, but it is about our actions with users and some
 support to french-speaking users (feedbacks, etc.). But in parallel we
 opened a multilingual website, whose purpose is to speak mainly in English.
 This is a technical mailing list. 2 purposes: 1. enabling to new dev who
 want to work in accessibility technologies or to make thir free software
 accessible to have a place to ask questions, have feedbacks, with technical
 devs, so that they can understand that accessibility is not so hard, but
 it's especially an approach, and not a big effort. It's useful because we
 meet often devs 7who are interested but who don't know where to begin,
 where to have doc about the widgets, the at-spi, assistive technologies,
 etc. Typically I wasn't good to answer to openbox's dev who wanted to do
 efforts about a11y of her WM, I'm sure you could gi(e her basics to
 proceed. And maybe it would give ideas to some people to contribute to
 accessibility so that it is in progress. 2. I feel today one who want to
 have a global technical approach of the accessibility, in particular in GUI
 matter, needs to be subscribed to various lists. I think, even if I know
 most devs are subscribed to all lists, that it'd be useful to have a
 platform where all devs and power-users could have technical exchanges, if
 they work for Qt, GTK, distros, oriented or not, at-spi/qt-at-spi, etc. I
 think this mailing can gather on a single place all the a11y devs, that
 will enable to everybody to have the same info immediately, to discuss it,
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Re: OpenOffice.org Portable - programosy

2013-11-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 11/06/2013 01:26 PM, schrieb Partnership Programosy:

  Hello,

 Can we ask you to add our link:
 http://www.programosy.pl/program,openoffice-portable.html
 in this place:
 http://www.openoffice.org/awards/

 This program has been awarded five stars by our editors.
 We would be honored if on your website will be placed one of our logo:
 http://programosy.pl/img/stars.png or
 http://programosy.pl/images/b_programosypl.png or
 http://www.programosy.pl/favicon.ico or link.

 Programosy.pl has ~40 000 unique users visits a day.

 ***Please reply. It is very important to us. We will be grateful. *


 My opinion:

 Our awards webpage is for our OpenOffice versions only. We should not
 start to list other kind of software - even if it's similar or based on
 OpenOffice.


If it's truly a port of AOO, perhaps it deserves mention on another page?
 Whatever happened to the third-party page?

Don


Re: Another use for AOO...

2013-11-06 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/suburbs/plainfield/community/chi-ugc-article-district-202-to-sell-surplus-laptops-and-desk-2013-11-05,0,1820004.story

 School district selling off old computers to the public.  They wipe
 the harddrive and install Microsoft Windows Vista (?!) and Apache
 OpenOffice.


I guess Microsoft didn't want its Vista licenses back.


Re: Draft blog post: 75 Million Downloads of Apache OpenOffice

2013-10-30 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 As predicted we hit 75 million yesterday.  I updated the  various
 charts and added them to a new blog post:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=75_million_downloads_of_apache


the full table http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html our the
website - the full table http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html on
the website

on the Y-axis). - on the Y-axis.)

Windows 8, is in second place - (suggested) Windows 8 for second place

Aside from that, is it more useful/intuitive to show the RPM/DEB ratio, as
opposed to the multicolor fraction-of-volume you use for Windows?  I
realize it's only two values, but even for two values what's clearer for a
user to read?

Don


Re: Draft blog post: 75 Million Downloads of Apache OpenOffice

2013-10-30 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 As predicted we hit 75 million yesterday.  I updated the  various
 charts and added them to a new blog post:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=75_million_downloads_of_apache


 the full table http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html our the
 website - the full tablehttp://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html on
 the website

 on the Y-axis). - on the Y-axis.)

 Windows 8, is in second place - (suggested) Windows 8 for second
 place

 Aside from that, is it more useful/intuitive to show the RPM/DEB ratio, as
 opposed to the multicolor fraction-of-volume you use for Windows?  I
 realize it's only two values, but even for two values what's clearer for a
 user to read?

 Don


Oh, and trademark disclaimer.


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2013-10-28 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:26 AM, MD Otley mdot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 The Other FAQ page ( http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-other.html)
 needs to be updated.
 * Several questions (and answers) still say OpenOffice.org
 instead of Apache OpenOffice.
 * Sun is no longer an independent company.  For example, the link
 to the StarOffice page in the last answer is broken, and should be replaced
 with http://www.oracle.com/us/products/031968.htm
 Respectfully,
 MD Otley


Thanks to MD Otley for the feedback.  The faq-other.html page is part of
the porting of the former website, and at the moment isn't linked directly
to the AOO site, though it's reachable via the search box.  Bringing the
FAQ up to date is an ongoing process.

Navigating through the main site, one can find FAQ pages in the
documentation wiki at

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ

These are also a work in progress, but are likely to be more current.

Given that http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/ doesn't even have an index.html,
perhaps these pages should be moved to the wiki and removed...?

Don


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2013-10-28 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Davicia Thomas-Morgan 
notary2u...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can't donate or downloadboo!

 DGT Morgan


 Hi Davicia...

Did you try http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html ?

As for donating, the ASF donations page says there's a problem with Paypal
donations (we are receiving reports of failures using this link), but the
Amazon Payments link seems to work.

Don


Re: Downloads by Country (updated data)

2013-10-23 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Updated table here:

 http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html

 The last update was in early August.

 The top 10 has remained stable.  The first change in the table is at
 position #12, where Belgium overtook India for downloads.

 But good news is that Brazil, India and Belgium have now each crossed
 the 1 million download mark, which makes them Apache OpenOffice
 Superpowers in my book ;-)

 Regards,

 -Rob


Out of curiosity, which language pack did the Antarctica download include?


Re: SySaver malware?

2013-10-15 Thread Donald Whytock
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, ofae...@aol.com wrote:


 Earlier this week I downloaded the update, and then was directed to a page
 to pick a free gift app or something purporting to be from you-all for
 getting the update.  I selected something called ZIPdownload or something
 like that.  Soon every few links or even just blank parts of webpages I
 clicked on would instead open a new tab (I'm using Google Chrome Browser)
 offering me various convoluted consumer surveys, prizes, gift cards, etc.
  The URLs of the pages 'popped-up' in this way included elements similar to
 those of the website I was trying to read or click from, so at first I
 assumed they were a new kind of annoying popup ad not yet blocked by normal
 popup blocking.


 Then today I started seeing ads on Wikipedia!  They had a fundraiser
 recently, so I wondered if they'd had to just cave and sell space.  These
 ads were churning fast too, unlike normal web ads, and they were starting
 videos and audio automatically in their banners and squares.  This all
 became intrusive, so, suspicious, I found this page
 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/05/14/ads-on-wikipedia-your-computer-infected-malware/.
  So I went into my browser extensions and found something unfamiliar to me
 calling itself SySaver and not saying anything about what it is (and I am
 extremely conservative about installing new programs/etc. on my laptop
 here, as well as knowledgeable about computers and software in general).  I
 googled SySaver and found mentions connecting it with ecommerce, and
 thought it might be the culprit, even though it's not the one mentioned in
 the 2012 Wikimedia article.  So I Trashed it in Extensions, Uninstalled it
 via Control Panel, noticed it had been installed just on 9/26, two days
 ago, same as ZIPdownload, so for good measure I uninstalled ZIPdownload
 too.  Somewhere while I was doing this, my browser got closed w/o asking
 me, so I reopened it, restored my closed tabs via the yellow warning bar,
 and the ads seem to have disappeared from Wiikipedia, as well as the
 extraneous neo-popups... so far.


 Sorry if this is long-winded, but I never know what will be helpful to
 you-all, so I figure to err on the side of caution and give you these
 details.




 ---Pete in Pennsylvania


Hi Pete...

Thanks for your concern.  Sorry this wasn't responded to sooner.

Apache Open Office is free to download and distribute, so it's possible for
there to be any number of legitimate copies out there.  However, the only
ones we can swear by are our official downloads, from the official site at
openoffice.org.  We also have Sourceforge distros; the links to the
specific Sourceforge downloads are at
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html

If you downloaded from any other site, we have no control over it being
virus/malware free.  Was this an official AOO download?

Don


Re: draft 4.0.1 announcement blog post

2013-09-26 Thread Donald Whytock
Does that need to be MS Excel?


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=announcing_apache_openoffice_4_0

 Short and direct.

 Is there anything else worth mentioning, from a project perspective?
 I tried to avoid simply repeating what the release notes already say.

 If I understand correctly we'll go live with the announcement on
 Tuesday.  So we'll want to ensure the website download page is ready
 first.

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Re: New AOO 4.0 review article (PC World)

2013-09-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 http://www.pcworld.com/article/2048446/apache-openoffice-4-0-review-new-features-easier-to-use-still-free.html

 Title is Apache OpenOffice 4.0 review: New features, easier to use, still
 free


Does someone want to work on the pseudo-Victorian dictionary?  There might
be demand for a language pack that includes programmetry and 'pon.

Don


Re: Can we do this email thing (whatever it is called)?

2013-09-17 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Another approach would be via a feed that is loaded by AOO itself at
 first load.  Many products have something like that, a tips dialog
 that gives a new tip every time the product starts, or once a week or
 something.


I would recommend against having the product dependent on making an
internet connection on startup.  That might interfere with people who work
offline or have iffy connections.

But a lot of products have a pop-up on startup with tips, which I assume
are packaged with the product.  That can be made optional, it can cycle
through tips or select from them randomly, it can allow the users to page
through the tips if they want, and you can make the tip file a periodic
mini-update without requiring an entire release.

This wouldn't necessarily preclude an email tip, but the email tips can be
ones that are new to everyone, and might eventually be added to the tip
file. (ooo-tips@ ?)

Don


Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

2013-09-06 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mr. Phan Anh ppa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is the alternative link:

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.0.0_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download

 Besides, aware that, the attached elements should be in zip, not by insert
 them inside the email. Your previous email doesnt contain any picture.


Plus the mailing list tends to filter attachments.

I believe there's a known issue on the download page where it requires
Javascript to run. I am unable to see the links using my office's IE8,
where some scripting is turned off; however, I can see them in Chrome.

Don


Re: I would like to get notified when the korean language pack is ready. thank you :D eom

2013-09-04 Thread Donald Whytock
Hi Brooke...

You may want to subscribe to the AOO announce list:

announce-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org

It's fairly low volume, and tends to include announcements of languages
becoming available.

Don



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Re: Yet another flyer

2013-08-30 Thread Donald Whytock
No, but Apache cares about legal issues, and therefore might not want
someone else's trademarks (however valid or frivolous) infringed upon in
the context of presenting Apache's own valid ones.

Don


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.comwrote:

 Personally, I don't care about that other entity.


 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:53 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 30 August 2013 18:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Nice one! Though OpenOffice on its own is someone else's trademark,
   so care should be taken in abusing it.
 
 
 
  I mean, *not* to abuse it. Sorry!
 
 
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Re: Yet another flyer

2013-08-30 Thread Donald Whytock
Eh, vitriol has a long half-life.  Anyway, about content...

Issue free copies of the software to students with their course -- I
might suggest Provide rather than Issue, because for some reason I read
that as Issue-free on the first pass.

book, with Writer all are simple tasks -- suggest book are all simple
tasks with Writer.

straight forward - straightforward

Exploit decorative treasures, such as special shapes such as banners,
stars and captions, from the Gallery - Exploit decorative treasures,
including special shapes such as banners, stars and captions, from the
Gallery

Create 3D objects with A simple click - Create 3D objects with a simple
click

Available free form: - Available free from:

I see your disclaimer box for commercial products.  I honestly don't know
if that obviates the need for TMs here and there.  Anyone else know?

Don



On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ok - I've been hearing about this for 9 years and there has never been a
 problem - I was a bit curt in my reply.


 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org
 wrote:

  No, but Apache cares about legal issues, and therefore might not want
  someone else's trademarks (however valid or frivolous) infringed upon in
  the context of presenting Apache's own valid ones.
 
  Don
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Personally, I don't care about that other entity.
  
  
   On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:53 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
On 30 August 2013 18:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Nice one! Though OpenOffice on its own is someone else's
 trademark,
 so care should be taken in abusing it.
   
   
   
I mean, *not* to abuse it. Sorry!
   
   
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Re: Yet another flyer

2013-08-30 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org
 wrote:
  No, but Apache cares about legal issues, and therefore might not want
  someone else's trademarks (however valid or frivolous) infringed upon in
  the context of presenting Apache's own valid ones.
 

 Trademarks apply to a specific class of product.  There is no other
 OpenOffice, Apache OpenOffice or OpenOffice.org that is a software
 application.This is why the jobs website Monster.com can exist
 along with Monster Cables, or Apple Records can exist along with Apple
 Computer.  So long as we use the full name at first use for clarity,
 we should feel free to use the shorter form in the rest of the
 document.  This has been our practice on the website, press releases,
 documentation, etc.


Actually, Apple Records and Apple Computer had a very hard time existing
with each other for many years...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v._Apple_Computer

...But yeah, I can see that if you lead with Apache OpenOffice it
establishes context.  Thanks.

Don


Re: Bug ??

2013-08-29 Thread Donald Whytock
Sorry for the response in English.

This mailing list usually blocks attachments.  Do you have a place to host
the file?

Or can you explain with more detail?

Don


2013/8/29 VERRON Jacques jacques.ver...@orange.fr

 Bonjour,

 ** **

 Depuis fort longtemps j’ai un soucis avec ce type de document réalisé à
 partis d’un fichier en wmf (ou Emf).

 Imprimé le et vous comprendrez.

 Les zone en dégradé se transforment en carré.

 Il y a des solutions pour utiliser le document en le transformant en
 bitmap par exemple mais ce serait mieux en natif.

 Sous Corel draw il n’y a pas de pb.

 ** **

 Salutations et longue vie à Open office Apache

 ** **

 *VERRON Jacques*

 *5, Allée des Chèvrefeuilles*

 *86000 POITIERS*

 * *

 *0549013258*

 *[image: Ins_Arpete_2]*

 ** **



Re: Invitation to use Google Talk

2013-08-29 Thread Donald Whytock
Is this meant as an IRC altenative?

Don


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Google Talk talk-nore...@google.comwrote:

 ---

 You've been invited by Kay Schenk to use Google Talk.

 If you already have a Google account, login to Gmail and accept this chat
 invitation:

 http://mail.google.com/mail/invite/ANGjdJ_eZNoH9Ka6VHcMNXzDzn3BHS3eyz6GRivX-rgg4d9c3_P6YTtfUZZVgHRPYuXXka3ME8a2a6mkfwxe

 To sign up for a Google account and get started with Google Talk, you can
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Re: Where do I download Open Office 4.0?

2013-08-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 23 August 2013 14:55, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  Hi Kit,
 
  Rory gave you another link that should work.  But so we can debug
  things more on our end, could you let us know was operating system you
  are using, and what browser version?
 
 
  Response, off list, was that she was using Win 7 64 bit and IE 10.
 

 Whatever client is used to access the page, ISTM that the download box
 should still be present.


It isn't present for me under IE8 on WinXP, but this is my office system
and javascript is probably turned off.

Don


Fwd: Open Office 4.0

2013-08-22 Thread Donald Whytock
Forwarding this from the l10n list because of the bad link report.

Don

-- Forwarded message --
From: Susanne Demant susa...@sd-hobby.dk
Date: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Subject: Open Office 4.0
To: l...@openoffice.apache.org


Hi,
I just want to tell you, that I - although OpenOffice 4.0 is not with
danish translation - want to download.
How come I can't deside wether or not to download the english version?

This kind of piss me of ;-) I would love to explore the new release, but
no, I am in Denmark, and then I dont understand english?  Yah right!!

I guess you guys have a great answer :-)

The link to the danish site on this site dont work
http://www.openoffice.org/**download/
http://www.openoffice.org/download/-  it links to
http://da.openoffice.org/ and the danish site is
http://www.openoffice.org/da/ ;-)

You are all doing a great job, and I am looking forward to new 4.xx
releases in danish, I will try to find the latest release in danish, just
becaurse there is no alternative :-/

Kindly
Susanne Demant
Danmark


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Re: Should download pages *require* Javascript?

2013-08-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:29 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 20 August 2013 01:20, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de
 wrote:
  Am 08/19/2013 09:51 PM, schrieb sebb:
 
  On 19 August 2013 20:27, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org  wrote:
 
  On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
  On 19/08/2013 sebb wrote:
 
 
  Note that the page http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.htmlalso
  requires Javascript!
 
 
 
  This is not so good. The noscript option should direct the user to
  http://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/
  (users who disable JavaScript are likely to be able to browse the
  FTP-like
  structure they will see there).
 
 
  Whatever method is chosen, I think it should be possible to download
  AOO without the use of Javascript.
 
 
 
  It should also be possible to download OpenOffice in the cases where
  JavaScript parsing breaks, i.e., we should have alternative download
  links
  that are always visible (working JavaScript, broken Javascript, no
  JavaScript).
 
 
  I think this is the key insight.  There are actually three cases to
  consider:
 
  1) Java script disabled
 
  2) Javascript is supported, but not working with our page
 
  3) Javascript working fine.
 
  Some of the more recent reports are about #2.  These are older
  versions of Internet Explorer, e.g., I.E. 6.  Anoscript  block will
  not help in this case.
 
 
  But if it is possible to detect the broken Javascript without
  crashing, then it would be possible to treat the browser as if it did
  not have Javascript.
 
 
  Right, has anybody an idea how to detect such broken JS engines?
 
 
  From this test it looks like the main issue is Internet Explorer before
 I.E. 8:
 
  http://browsershots.org/http://www.openoffice.org/download/
 
  One approach is to see if you can code around that error and get it to
  work correctly on older I.E. installs.
 
  Another approach is to use one of these techniques to detect older
  I.E. and then fall back to a non-script page:
 
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537509%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

 It might also be possible to use the HTTP headers User-Agent and
 Accepts-Language as a backstop for when Javascript is not available.
 This might need some Infra config support.

  -Rob
 
  Marcus


Just me-too-ing here...I can't get to the download list right now from my
office, with IE8, scripting disabled and a somewhat draconian firewall.  I
can get to SourceForge, though.

Should there be an If that doesn't work, click here link, perhaps
pointing to...?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/

Don


Re: Should download pages *require* Javascript?

2013-08-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:


 In the past it was, sorry, a pain in the ass to keep this webpage
 up-to-date as there were always changes in paths, version number and
 languages (new were included, old were dropped out). Copy  paste errors
 were often occurring. Now it is much easier to update it as the table is
 generated via JS logic and this logic is filled via a few variables.


  If it were turned into a static page, I think it might be a better
 alternative to the ASF mirror structure.


 IMHO this wouldn't change anything, except for JS or no-JS.

 So, it seems we need an intermediate step between the green box and the
 big table.


Can the table be generated server-side, perhaps, by a PHP script?

Don


Re: Should download pages *require* Javascript?

2013-08-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 08/20/2013 08:37 PM, schrieb Donald Whytock:

 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de
  wrote:


 In the past it was, sorry, a pain in the ass to keep this webpage
 up-to-date as there were always changes in paths, version number and
 languages (new were included, old were dropped out). Copy  paste errors

 were often occurring. Now it is much easier to update it as the table is
 generated via JS logic and this logic is filled via a few variables.


   If it were turned into a static page, I think it might be a better

 alternative to the ASF mirror structure.


 IMHO this wouldn't change anything, except for JS or no-JS.

 So, it seems we need an intermediate step between the green box and the
 big table.


  Can the table be generated server-side, perhaps, by a PHP script?


 Good question but I don't know. Mostly it depends on:
 - can the script grab the content of the JS variables from the webpage?

Not sure I understand this question.  A PHP script would be pushing HTML
(and perhaps embedded JS) from the server...it runs before the JS, and
therefore before any JS variables get set.  Where does the JS now get the
data to build the table?


 - which server do you mean?

Whatever server is hosting the download page.  A PHP script is server-side
and can serve as a webpage -- rather than having an index.html, you'd have
an index.php.


 - who is willing/able to change it into PHP?

This is the biggest question, really. :)  I believe I'm able to do the PHP,
though you'd probably want matching CSS, which isn't really a strong point
for me.

Don


Re: Should download pages *require* Javascript?

2013-08-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 08/20/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb Donald Whytock:

  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de
  wrote:





  - which server do you mean?

  Whatever server is hosting the download page.  A PHP script is
 server-side
 and can serve as a webpage -- rather than having an index.html, you'd have
 an index.php.


 OK, seems without Infra support this isn't possbile.


You're currently editing server-side files in order to change the embedded
javascript, right?  What files are you modifying?

Don


Re: Should download pages *require* Javascript?

2013-08-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 The trick is to work with the Apache CMS.  We already have a system
 where source files (like MDText and HTML) are converted into HTML
 which we then review and publish.  That's how our templating works.
 The glue is Perl.  And I bet Python is used behind the scenes for the
 MDText conversion.

 This is not interactive on a per-request basis.  But if we can think
 of this as a data-driven problem where we have an XML (or CSV or some
 other structured data file) that we want to convert into some web
 content like JSON or HTML, and have the web content automatically
 regenerated whenever the underlying data file changes, then we might
 consider the CMS as part of the solution.

 This could work well for our update notification scripts as well.
 These should also probably be data drive.  And I bet they would use
 some of the same data that is needed for the download pages.

 Wouldn't it be cool to update an XML file describing our release files
 and then have it automatically generate the download page logic as
 well as the update notification XML's?


It'd probably be good to have the info in generic XML anyway.  That could
be AJAX-ed by JS client-side or used server-side to dynamically generate
the page.

Don


Re: [IDEA] Back to School with AOO blog post

2013-08-19 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:12 PM, fred juan diaz diaz_frede...@yahoo.fr
 wrote:

 En date de : Ven 9.8.13, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de a
On 06.08.2013 at 5:10 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com
   wrote:On 6 August 2013 15:56, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com
   wrote:
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Ian Lynch
   ianrly...@gmail.com
   wrote:
On 6 August 2013 15:40, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
   wrote:
   
It is that time of year now:  back
   to school.
   
I wonder if this could make a good blog
   post.


So...did this ever happen?

Don


Re: Microsoft Censors OpenOffice Download Links

2013-08-16 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.netwrote:

 I've downloaded OOo several times in the past through torrents because it
 was much faster. And I noticed that my file was also shared at a not
 negligible rate.

 I think this is something worth implementing. I'm not from a generation
 that is used to download but I think that many (young) users look at this
 way first.

 Hagar


  Objet : Re: Microsoft Censors OpenOffice Download Links
 

  2013/8/16 :
   Reported on the forum:
  
 http://torrentfreak.com/microsoft-censors-openoffice-download-links-130814/?utm_source=dlvr.itutm_medium=twitter
  
 
  The URLs mentioned in the article look scary to me, with version that
  never really existed, like 3.3.2. As you know there are several
  websites that claim to offer OpenOffice downloads but then bundle it
  with adware. I wouldn't assume that torrents are any safer.
 
  It would be worth asking if anyone really needs AOO torrents and
  whether we should look at providing official ones.
 
  -Rob
 
   Hagar


We discussed this last year in a thread titled BItTorrents -- do we care?
last posted to on 16 October 2012.  General consensus seemed to be
favorable.  What's Infra's take on bittorrent?

Don


Re: Microsoft Censors OpenOffice Download Links

2013-08-16 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net
 wrote:
  Objet : Re: Microsoft Censors OpenOffice Download Links
  Not to speak for them, but I suspect they would point out the fact
  that we there are over 100 Apache projects, and they all seem to do
  fine with distribution via the mirrors.
 
  Personally, I'd wonder where this rates with us in terms of priority.
  Compare to, say, forum stability improvements, code signing for our
  installers, and further buildbot coverage, where do torrents rate?
 
  Of course it's not a priority.
  But think about the mechanism of torrent: once it's initiated, it
 spreads by itself without any input needed. I'm not sure we need powerful
 resources for the seeds, we can even limit the number of uploads I guess.
 And then let the torrent spread among users.
 
  A forum was not in the field of the ASF scope. The AOO forum is still
 doing and rather well, there is a lot of cooperation and feedback when
 information is forwarded from on side to the other. So why not make a
 torrent a first for ASF?
 
  Please remember that you're handling an office suite, it's not a niche
 program, it's something that is heavily popular, you tell it yourself when
 you inform the list about the millions downloads. Ubuntu offers torrents
 for example.
 

 AOO is popular.  Torrents are not.  I bet that 1% of downloads were
 of torrent, when OOo had them.

 Remember, a common question from users is I just downloaded
 OpenOffice and now I cannot find it.  So skill level of typical user
 is not ideal for explaining how to download via P2P.

  If ASF does not want to do new things because no other ASF project has
 even tried, then I'm rather worried about the future. Especially when on
 the other side LibreOffice has a so efficient team, very good at marketing
 their project.
 

 1. Maybe ask LibreOffice how many torrent downloads they see?  That
 would be an interesting number to know.

 2. This is not a question of avoiding doing something new.  It is a
 question of prioritization based on cost and benefit.

 3. Torrents are not even new. They are old technology.

 4. There is nothing to prevent someone from seeding a torrent for AOO
 today, right now if you thought it was important.  It does not need to
 come from Apache.


Infra could conceivably create torrents for every ASF distro file, probably
on an automated basis.  Were that to happen, the effort by the AOO TLP
would be nil and the effort proportionally related to AOO would be
negligible.

Of course, this could take some significant setup effort on Infra's part,
and if only the AOO torrents were ever used someone might say, Why are we
doing this for only one TLP?

It would be best if ASF could do it so as to add legitimacy to the torrent.
 Otherwise, if AOO itself was doing it, it would need to be on a
respected/respectable torrent server, such that we could point to it and
say, That is the official AOO torrent.

Maybe a cheap 10gig VM?

Don


Re: OpenOffice Distribution

2013-08-12 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Primeira Escolha - Informática 
Eletrónica paulo.al...@primeiraescolha.pt wrote:

 Good day.

 ** **

 I’m Paulo Lopes Alves, from Portugal and I would like to know the
 following:

 ** **

 I own a little computers company and I would like to be an official
 distributor of OpenOffice. What do I need to do to become one?

 ** **

 Best regards

 ** **

 *___
 *

 *Paulo Lopes Alves*

 *  Telem.: 966 188 631*

 *paulo.al...@primeiraescolha.pt*

 *  *[image: rsz_rsz_primeiraescolha_logo]**

 *Rua das Alfarrobeirasn º 60 - Bicesse * 2645-310 Alcabideche * Telefone:
 309 962 350*

 *www.primeiraescolha.com * www.primeiraescolha.pt *
 ge...@primeiraescolha.com*

 ** **

Hi Paulo...

In the simplest case, you download copies of the installation files and
hand them out as you please.  The files are free to download and distribute
as long as you don't change them.

If you want to use Apache or OpenOffice trademarks, logos and the like to
advertise, you should look at http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html .

Don


Re: [IDEA] Back to School with AOO blog post

2013-08-06 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 6 August 2013 15:40, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

  It is that time of year now:  back to school.
 
  I wonder if this could make a good blog post.   Of course, AOO being
  free is core part of the story.  But even better would be if we had a
  top 10 list of ways in which AOO is great for school.
 


 1. Use the same software at home and at school without worrying about
 licensing
 2. Participate in the AOO community and provide useful things for others
 while you learn
 3. Fix broken Word documents
 4. Provide choice and promote transferrable skills by using more than one
 type of tool
 5. Get a qualification referenced to the European Qualifications Framework


6. Fits nicely in a small/low income community's school budget.

Don


Re: Downloading latest version of Open office

2013-08-01 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi Ed,

 You should never need a phone number or make a call to download or
 otherwise activate Apache OpenOffice.

 Please download from http://www.openoffice.org/download

 Regards,
 Dave

 On Jul 31, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Edward Reyes wrote:

  i think you guys blew it this time. T-Mobile will not complete a call
 without the prefix ONE, which means the number cannot be verified unless
 you spell out the complete number. e.g. 1-626-422-4343.
 
  Thank you,
  Ed


The original email had no context, and I can't find an email it was
supposedly replying to.  A weird attempt at phishing?

Besides, T-Mobile works fine for me without the 1.

Don


Re: Web Development program?

2013-08-01 Thread Donald Whytock
Depends on what you mean by a web development program.  There's webpage
editors that you can use to prepare HTML files that can be placed on a
webserver; Dreamweaver is a big commercial name for this.  There are some
free editors too, but I don't know if any of them have commercial-grade
functionality.  You may be interested in the following links for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website_builder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_editor

There are also packages that you can load onto a webserver that run as web
applications and act as a website, which allow you to add and modify
content online.  Have a look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_content_management_system

You can start at these links and find lists of software packages.  Please
note that this is not an official recommendation or endorsement of any of
them by the Apache Software Foundation.

Good luck...

Don



On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Stephen Guesman greenworks...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear Folks -

 Does AOO have (or can recommend) a free web development program?

 I have a domain name and a host, I just need a program to develop the site.
 Seems like all the 'free web site builders' are selling the hosting and/or
 domain registry.

 Stephen Guesman
 GreenWorks Design/Build
 greenworks...@gmail.com
 205-919-6231



Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

2013-07-30 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:59 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi

 A while ago we discussed to get more bloggers.

 Since I have 1 years birthday in a couple of days, I have made a blog.

 I am not a native speaker, so I assume there are some mistakes in there,
 feel free to correct them.

 But more importantly, is this a post we as community would like to make
 public ?


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=developer_in_aoo_1year_celebration

 Please be gentle this is my first blog.

 rgds
 jan I.


Sometimes, when I'm proofing material from an EFL speaker, I find myself
inclined to not try to fix certain things because they look naturally
authentic and sincere.  Excessive proofing runs the risk of editing out
some of the raw passion and enthusiasm being expressed.  Especially in
cases like this, where passion and enthusiasm are sort of the point of the
blog post.

But I can give it a shot, if you like...?

Don


Re: problem with new logo

2013-07-24 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

 The problem is simple the Sans Pro font doesnt display properly when
 rendered by other engines.
 font-family=Source Sans Pro Light

 I recomend a simple edit, to change from Fonts to Paths, that way the
 nodes and form is statically set, the render would be numerical and
 will be more accurate.

 I generate one here:
 http://imagebin.org/265395


I tried downloading and working with the image at that link but ran into
problems.  Chrome didn't want to open it at all until I replaced the TM
character with the string TM and shrank the font size to fit.  After
that, the logo was still messed up in Draw in the same way.

Don


problem with new logo

2013-07-23 Thread Donald Whytock
Hi all...

I'm trying to work with the .svg for the new logo, but I'm having problems.
 In Draw, on two different machines, both 3.4.1 and 4.0, it looks like the
following:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwli-fLYVnjtdnlMdkdoMXN5cG8/edit?usp=sharing

Would this be a problem with Draw or the .svg?

Don


Re: problem with new logo

2013-07-23 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.orgwrote:

 Hi all...

 I'm trying to work with the .svg for the new logo, but I'm having
 problems.  In Draw, on two different machines, both 3.4.1 and 4.0, it looks
 like the following:


 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwli-fLYVnjtdnlMdkdoMXN5cG8/edit?usp=sharing

 Would this be a problem with Draw or the .svg?

 Don


BTW, it displays fine in (of all things) IE8.


Re: problem with new logo

2013-07-23 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
  On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
  Hi all...
 
  I'm trying to work with the .svg for the new logo, but I'm having
  problems.
   In Draw, on two different machines, both 3.4.1 and 4.0, it looks like
 the
  following:
 
 
 
 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwli-fLYVnjtdnlMdkdoMXN5cG8/edit?usp=sharing
 
  Would this be a problem with Draw or the .svg?
 
  Don
 
 
 
  I used the optim.svg from:
 
 
 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/
 
  to render the logo for the  websites -- 300 (wide) x136 then cropped in
  two directions.
 
  The svg came up fine for me in Gimp on Linux.  That said, since I'm not
  and svg expert, I don't know if the svg has problems or not.
 
  Sorry, I can't be more help.
 

 Ok, re AOO4 Draw -- yes, this is what I get also...h


I'd used Draw to be apropos.  I never expected irony. :)


Re: Release coordination proposal

2013-07-22 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/22/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

  2) What should the legacy link go to now?  Is 3.3.0 still legacy?
 If so, what is 3.4.1?   We might need to reword and restructure that
 destination page, but I think it is OK for now.


 In this context I understand legacy release as a release from a former
 instance - here Sun/Oracle. With the planned EOL for 3.4 this can be
 cleaned-up, too.


Thought the planned EOL was for 3.3.  Not that an EOL for 3.4 doesn't make
sense, given 3.4.1...

Don


Re: [RELEASE]: availability of uploads and synchronize SF mirrors

2013-07-21 Thread Donald Whytock
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/21/2013 02:10 AM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):

  Am 07/20/2013 12:45 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):

 Here a little update what I can see:

 1.
 https://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**
 files/4.0.0/binaries/https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/


 The builds seem to be completely received on SourceForge. So, for me
 it's done.

 2.
 http://www.apache.org/dist/

 No openoffice directory and therefore no binary and source builds.
 Maybe Juergen and Infra are still working on this. I'll look again today
 evening/tomorrow morning (European timezone).


 While the night the sync has taken place and the AOO 4.0 release is now
 fully available here:

 http://www.apache.org/dist/**openoffice/http://www.apache.org/dist/openoffice/

 Thanks to the magic helper.


 Marcus


I looked in http://www.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries/en-US/ but
didn't see any actual binaries...just hash keys and rather small .asc
files.  Am I looking in the wrong place?

Don


Re: [RESULT][VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-19 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote:

 The vote period to release the RC2 (based on release branch AOO40,
 revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 has ended.

 The ballot result in 24 votes, 24 +1 votes including 14 binding PMC
 member votes.

 3 binding +1 votes are necessary for the release. That means the ballot
 closed successful to release the RC2 as AOO 4.0

 Vote tally

 +1 Jan Iversen (binding)
 +1 Keith McKenna
 +1 Olaf Felka
 +1 Sylvain Denis
 +1 Marco A.G. Pinto
 +1 V Stuart Foote
 +1 Samer Mansour
 +1 Ricardo Berlasso (binding)
 +1 Rory O'Farrell
 +1 Rob Weir (binding)
 +1 Shengfeng Liu
 +1 Kay Schenk (binding)
 +1 Marcus Lange (binding)
 +1 Regina Henschel (binding)
 +1 Andrew Rist (binding)
 +1 Donald Harbison (binding)
 +1 Xuacu
 +1 Juergen Schmidt (binding)
 +1 Yuzhen Fan
 +1 Andrea Pescetti (binding)
 +1 Armin Le Grand (binding)
 +1 Herbert Duerr (binding)
 +1 Kazunari Hirano (binding)
 +1 Andre Fischer (binding)

 Thanks

 Juergen


Imacat voted -1.  Is he non-binding?

Don


Re: Draft Blog Post: Rejected

2013-07-16 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 A quick and timely post:

 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=rejected

 Regards,

 -Rob


Apache OpenOffice 4.0:  Quality worth waiting for.

Makes me think of standing in line for way too long at KFC, thinking of
their slogan...There's fast food...and then there's KFC.

I like it.  Self-deprecation FTW.  Reinforces for people that AOO is
people-built.

Don


Re: Crowdsourcing wanted features for OpenOffice?

2013-07-16 Thread Donald Whytock
Nothing initiated by AOO itself, but nothing preventing someone from
starting one on their own.

Don


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM, webassistant5 webassistant5@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello,
 I know several other open-source projects are offering bounties and
 crowdsourcing for feature requests. In this way the money is pooled and
 given to open-source developers to implement quality new features for their
 programs.

 Is there any current implementation of this for OpenOffice? E.g. PubSoft (
 https://www.pubsoft.org/**pubsoft.py https://www.pubsoft.org/pubsoft.py)
  KickStarter / IndieGogo / etc.

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Re: New Product and collaboration

2013-07-16 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Hans Langsholt langsh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a Product idea and are looking for partners and affiliates.

 I have a idea of a webservice which could benefit the OpenOffice Product
 also indirctly if it get a succes. I am looking for different partners to
 show investors that the product is something that really can be a hit.

 Without say With it is without a NDA I can say this:
 - Service is free for users.
 - Companies (not just webcompanies) will pay to use the service, this to
 offer customers this needed service.
 - Without developed a real Income model reveneau can be made from ads, and
 sales from webshops that has deals With.

 What can the Collaboration be:
 - Shares in Return for developement
 - Exchange of ads by using open Office as one of the providers of Reading
 the products offeres or other.
 - Develope the product togheter.

 Bottomline is there any possibility of some type of Collaboration?

 kindly regards
 Hans j Langsholt


The answer to this, I believe, is lengthy and involved, but amounts to
several flavors of no.

Apache OpenOffice currently belongs to the Apache Software Foundation, a
non-profit corporation.  It has no shares to trade, and I don't believe
it's equipped to deal with shares of stock given it.

Apache sites don't run ads, and don't host them.

Development on Apache OpenOffice is done by volunteers, who do work on the
project on an unpaid basis, presumably in conjunction with holding other
jobs.  There are no employees, therefore there are no employees to task
with working on outside projects.  For this reason, Apache can't be hired
to do work.

I doubt the Apache OpenOffice project can even give any sort of
recommendation or endorsement regarding your project, as the project
doesn't even give recommendation or endorsement of endeavors directly tied
to the project in the interests of fairness and objectiveness.

All that being said, Apache volunteers aren't bound to any sort of
exclusivity, and can partner with you as they please in your endeavor.
 They just can't do it in the name of the Apache Foundation.

Don


Re: Coordination on AOO 4.0 Release Announcement

2013-07-15 Thread Donald Whytock
Will the new distributor page be opened up in conjunction with the new
release?

Don


Re: Draft blog post: Facebook and the growing fanbase

2013-07-02 Thread Donald Whytock
Made some changes for grammar and spelling, and added a link to the
reference to the dev mailing list.

I have the original offline.  Does the blog have revision history?

Don


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 7/2/13 9:01 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote:
  Hi all
 
 
 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=facebook_fanpage_and_the_growing
 
 
  This is my first blogdraft for Apache ever. I will add a chart about the
  growing number too, as soon as I know how to add images to Roller.

 I am sure some native speakers can help with correcting the text.

 But anyway I also noticed a growing activity there and social media is
 indeed important to reach out to our users.

 Juergen

 
  Greetings Raphael
 
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Re: Draft blog post: Not Interested

2013-06-27 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=not_interested

 This is another reference post, that we can point people to in the
 future.  It will help avoid explaining this over and over again, for
 recurring questions like these.

 Regards,

 -Rob


relevant, non-spammy - relevant and non-spammy

Did you want to say anything about lack of a particular point of contact
and unlikelihood of returning phone calls?

Don


Re: Draft blog post: With Apache OpenOffice you get what you don't pay for

2013-06-17 Thread Donald Whytock
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=with_apache_openoffice_you_get


Supplies are limited...technically true, if you're trying to avoid
traffic overload on the link...

Don


Re: Draft blog post: Selling and Buying OpenOffice CDs

2013-06-11 Thread Donald Whytock
Okay, got it now.  Under the circs, then, do you still want it proofed?


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote:

 502 Bad Gateway


 On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=selling_and_buying_openoffice_cds


 Another FAQ-type post, since we get regular questions on this topic.

 But I see Kay has also started a discussion on the list related to
 reviving the distributor page on the website.  So I'll hold-off
 posting this to see if that discussion leads to something new to tell
 the sellers.

 Regards,

 -Rob

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Re: Draft blog post: Selling and Buying OpenOffice CDs

2013-06-11 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org
 wrote:
  Okay, got it now.  Under the circs, then, do you still want it proofed?
 

 At this point, looking more for content/message review.  Does this
 answer the questions that we are receiving?  Any additional points we
 should make?


Checksum verification, perhaps?  Apache does not warrant or guarantee
anything Not Invented Here, so to make certain your purchased copy is
correct you can follow the steps linked here?


Re: Draft blog post: Selling and Buying OpenOffice CDs

2013-06-11 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org
 wrote:
  On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org
  wrote:
   Okay, got it now.  Under the circs, then, do you still want it
 proofed?
  
 
  At this point, looking more for content/message review.  Does this
  answer the questions that we are receiving?  Any additional points we
  should make?
 
 
  Checksum verification, perhaps?  Apache does not warrant or guarantee
  anything Not Invented Here, so to make certain your purchased copy is
  correct you can follow the steps linked here?

 That's an important one.  Unfortunately getting someone (non-Linux
 user) to install an MD5 checksum tool is non-trivial and as such will
 tend not to be done.

 Something I've wondered ... Is it possible at all to implement a
 checksum calculator that runs locally in Javascript?  The tool would
 ask the user to browse for their download, calc the checksum, and
 then, based on the filename, retrieve the expected checksum from the
 website and compare the two.  Until we make it as easy as that I think
 end-users will never do it.


I like that.  Since all Apache downloads I've seen have MD5 keys, this
seems like something that would be useful foundation-wide.  An Infra
request/suggestion?


Re: Logo next steps

2013-06-11 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Kevin Grignon
 kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote:
  I propose we take a final pass to prepare the logo for production.
 
  The vector artwork should be converted curves, the ff elements need to
 be combined, and some font kerning adjusted.
 
  Then we should document the logo on the AOO UX wiki.
 
  Who is preparing all the new graphics?
 

 Whoever volunteers.  But if you have some specific changes in mind it
 would probably be faster to make them yourself and post a new SVG (or
 sent it to me) than to describe it in enough detail that I, without
 expertise in the area, can make the changes myself.

 In any case, if we are going to make changes to the master logo then
 let's do that first, before creating the bitmaps.


Pardon if I missed this in earlier discussions, but...is the new logo going
to apply to 4.0 and onward?  Is it okay if 3.4.1 is associated with the old
logo?

Don


Re: Draft blog post: When will OpenOffice version X be released?

2013-06-06 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=when_will_openoffice_version_x

 Since we get this question frequently, I thought it would be good to
 have a canonical response we can point people to.

 It needs some editing, but mainly looking for content feedback initially.


There's a comma I'd move, but otherwise the only real comment I have is
that I'd use N and N+1 instead of N-1 and N.  I personally think that'd be
more intuitively understandable to laypeople.

I gather this or a permalink to it will go in the FAQ?

Don


Re: Blog about sidebar

2013-06-03 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote:

 Changed that to

 A little known feature of OpenOffice is that extensions can provide
 panels for the task panel (now called sidebar).

 I am not sure if parenthesis and dot/period should be interchanged but
 .) just looks too wrong for me.  Shall I change it?

 No, ). is correct.  The bit in parentheses is affecting a piece of the
sentence directly, and therefore is part of the sentence.  It's not like
quotes.

What would really look wrong is .)..  And that sentence I just typed is
technically wrong too.

Don


Re: [VOTE] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

2013-06-03 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 Everyone is welcome to vote, though only PMC votes are binding.


My non-binding vote...Of the choices offered, putting Kevin's edgier birds
toward the bottom and Chris' bolder font toward the top.  Chris' looks the
most scalably workable, equally attractive on books, CD covers, websites
and convention banners.

My ranked preferences for the AOO 4.0 logo are:

1st Choice: Chris Rottensteiner

2nd Choice: Samer Mansour

3rd Choice: none of the above

4th Choice: Kevin Grignon A

5th Choice: Kevin Grignon B



Re: Blog about sidebar

2013-05-31 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:

 On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:52:33 +0200
 Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote:
 snip
 
  I applied the rest of the changes (some of my errors are so
  embarrassing).  Thank you very much.
 
  -Andre

 If I could write any other language than my own as well as you do, I'd be
 very proud!


something is either new - something either is new

both in Apache OpenOffice (and OpenOffice.org before that) as well as in
Symphony. - both in Apache OpenOffice (and OpenOffice.org before that)
and in Symphony.
or
in Apache OpenOffice (and OpenOffice.org before that) as well as in
Symphony.

Paragraph starting with The property panels that let you for example:
there's a mix of tone here, with the use of could.  Is it about things
that were done, or things that have yet to be done?  The overall tone of
the section suggests it's about things that were done, so could items
don't really fit.

The third group are non-modal dialogs - (recommending, to get around
is/are) The third group consists of non-modal dialogs

extensions can add new decks - (suggesting) extensions can now add new
decks

 there may no yet be a panel -  there may not yet be a panel

Seconding Rory on the what the user, you, is currently doing.  Much of
the rest of the article talks in terms of you, and you so close to is
looks a bit awkward.  I'd go with what you are currently doing.

where busy getting the project going - were busy getting the project
going

Even downstream has started -- Is downstream in this sense as a noun
common usage in the AOO user community?  It may need expansion, such as
adaptations, derivative works, etc.

how anyoing - how annoying

panels for the sidebar.  The old sidebar. -- Since it wasn't called the
sidebar before, this might distract the reader with the question, WHAT
old sidebar?  How about panels for the task pane (the old sidebar).

One last thing...Did you mean for the headers to all be the same size?

Don


Re: Next steps for AOO 4.0 Logo Selection

2013-05-30 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.netwrote:

 Le 30/05/2013 22:53, Rob Weir a écrit :

  I think the important thing is to realize that long-standing
 OpenOffice users, like you and me, have strong opinions and
 perceptions on this that are not necessarily reflective of the views
 of the broader user base.  We're too close and too familiar with the
 old logo.  So I discount your views on this just as I discount my own.
   I look more toward the survey for an unbiased view.


 OK but we should allow the users to decide if they want to keep the
 current logo. If it's not among the other candidates, it denies this right
 to the users.

 I thought the current logo was among the surveyed logos...?

Don


Re: Next steps for AOO 4.0 Logo Selection

2013-05-28 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 wrote:

 The only way I can visualize the book notion is that I am seeing an
 unfolded piece of paper.  If this is two facing pages of an open book, the
 problem is there is nothing to suggest the rest of the book.


It could be bookish with the addition of a cover -- a widened dark V
underneath the bird.  But of course then you lose the birdishness.

Alternately, extend the wing tips into scroll spirals.  But that risks
failing at bookishness AND birdishness.

So the flat orb is likely to be the new standard?  Will the round orb then
be deliberately retired?

Don


Is 3.4.1 still incubating?

2013-05-22 Thread Donald Whytock
I see on the downloads page (http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html)
that the current version is listed as *Current Version 3.4.1
(incubating).  *Since 3.4.1 is the current official release, and since
incubating has more to do with Apache internal policies than the release
itself, should the release still be called (incubating)?

Could shorten the actual filenames too, but I suppose we're stuck with
those for now...?

Don


Re: Update of pages oo.o credits

2013-05-20 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi

 This pages about credits of members [1], were did the last updated:
 2010-11-15, long time.

 1 - http://www.openoffice.org/welcome/credits.html

 Think need update.

 I has read in others emails for a list of volunteers, could
 improvements here also.

 Albino


Plus the talk of project leads.  Is this a list of Oracle employees?

Don


Re: draft blog post

2013-05-15 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_one_year_50

 I'd like to get this out today.

 -Rob

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pleased pleased - pleased (unless, of course, we're just really,
really pleased)

noticeably summer lull - noticeable summer lull

unit of 1000 - units of 1000

sight growth in Windows - slight growth in Windows (?)

Also, I myself find the yellow line for Opera in the Trend in Browsers
graph kinda hard to see.

Don


Request for Blog Access

2013-05-15 Thread Donald Whytock
Hi Marcus/Dave...

I have a Roller account now, and my proposal went through for blog access.
 Please grant blog access to dwhytock.

Thanks...

Don


Re: Request for Blog Access

2013-05-15 Thread Donald Whytock
Got it.  I'm in.  Thanks.

Don


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi Don,

 You should have received your invitation.

 Regards,
 Dave

 On May 15, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:

  Hi Marcus/Dave...
 
  I have a Roller account now, and my proposal went through for blog
 access.
  Please grant blog access to dwhytock.
 
  Thanks...
 
  Don


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Re: [proposal] Accept Donald Whytock as blog editor

2013-05-13 Thread Donald Whytock
Not seeing any nays, I'll go ahead and petition Infra.  Thanks, all.

Don


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote:

 Am Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2013 um 20:59 schrieb Donald Whytock:
  This is a lazy-concensus proposal to add me (Donald Whytock,
  dwhyt...@apache.org) as a blog editor. If there are no objections by
  Monday I'll open a JIRA.
 
  Thanks...
 +1 definitely a good addition, looking forward to some good blogs

 Juergen
 
  Don




Re: OO CD Distribution

2013-05-10 Thread Donald Whytock
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@apache.org
 wrote:

  Is there a larger version of the orb graphic?  Something, say, big enough
  to use as a CD label background?
 
  Don
 

 The svg file for the flat orb can be found at:

  http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/svg/orb.svg

 and resized.

 If you're thinking about using the shaded orb that's in the web site
 logo, I don't find just that orb in svg format anyway. Maybe Michael
 Acevedo could provide us with one as he supplied the orb+lettering logo
 we're now using.

 I think the the svg for this complete logo is at:

 http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/svg/OOo_Website_v2_copy.svg

 (see additional info at:

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.x+-+Logo+Explorations



The flat orb works nicely, thanks.  At least for a prototype.

Don


Re: [WWW]The AOO blog gives a 502 Bad Gateway error

2013-05-10 Thread Donald Whytock
Working now, but very slow on the load.  Perhaps that's what's just short
of failing from a hit burst?

Don


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:15 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 10 May 2013 16:56, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

  On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:28 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
   As in subject: the blog site is not working:
  
   Bad Gateway
  
   The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
   Apache/2.0.63 Server at blogs.apache.org Port 443
  
 
  Appears to back up now.
 
  I don't know if it is a coincidence or not, but our blog seems to go
  down whenever we have a high profile announcement.  We saw this with
  the 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 announcement as well.  In this case it went down
  right after I publicized the logo survey results to Twitter, Facebook,
  Google+ and the announcement mailing list.  The blog comes back
  eventually, but this does blunt the effect of any announcement, since
  many readers will  just see the error and move on, never returning
  later to try again.
 

 The problem, as I see it, seems to be that blog.a.o goes through erebus,
 together with a lot of other sites, and it seems erebus doesnt like burst
 of traffic.

 Switches have been changes within the last 24 hours, causing some of the
 delays.


  I wonder whether it worth looking at putting Wordpress onto a VM and
  using that, maybe mapping it to blog.openoffice.org?  I use WordPress
  on my personal blog and with caching enabled I've withstood several
  Slashdot'ed posts without going down.  So it can handle the load.
 

 I think we should make a strategy for www, blog, cwiki and mwiki so we get
 feewer more integrated products, that work together.

 If we do that, we could put it on 1 vm, and have a lot less maintenance.

 that said, I have good experience with wordpress...and would love to use it
 not only for blog but also www.

 rgds
 jan I.

 
  -Rob
 
   Regards
   Ricardo
 
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Re: Draft Blog Post: Results of Apache OpenOffice 4.0 Logo Survey

2013-05-09 Thread Donald Whytock
Couple minor typos...Is there anything I need to do to get access to the
blogs page?  Is it something other than my Apache ID?

Don


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=results_of_apache_openoffice_4

 I was able to get comments from each designer except from Chris R (no
 contact info available) and Robin (no response to emails).

 Regards,

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