Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

2021-09-06 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue., 31 Aug. 2021, 09:44 Hao Wang,  wrote:

> Thanks for introducing me to the new term Ribbon. Looks like that's what
> I'm aiming for.
> In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a
> web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ?
>

One of the reasons I stick to OpenOffice are CUA menus.
Menus are not hidden based on "context" or where the cursor is within the
document.

Please, stick to CUA menus. If it becomes yet another "ribbon UI" madness
it will be tone for me to either look for something else or keep using old
versions.

There are plenty of UX pundits that question the usefulness of "ribbon"
like user interfaces.

Why the Ribbon is wrong
https://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/05/why-the-ribbon-is-wrong.html

"*For a user interface to be effective, it has to be consistent. Consistant
is not what the ribbon is about. It suffers from large buttons, small
buttons. Buttons labelled with words, buttons labeled with icons. Sometimes
what appears to be a button is only a text label; clicking it does
nothing." *

Microsoft Office Ribbon sucks – Julie Larson-Green should design prison
complexes instead of software UI
https://moralvolcano.wordpress.com/2015/07/26/microsoft-office-ribbon-sucks-julie-larson-green-should-design-prison-complexes-instead-of-software-ui/

The Ribbon Sucks
http://blog.schauderhaft.de/2009/01/08/the-ribbon-sucks/

https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2018/09/05/outlook_updates_microsoft_ribbon/
*Microsoft's incoming updates to Outlook on Windows and web aim to strip
away the cruft that has built up in the interface over the years. Outlook
for Windows The veteran email client has seen its interface become
gradually ever more cluttered, with the divisive ribbon inflicted on the
toolbar just over 10 years ago"*


The ribbon interface, however, does in fact suck. I’m used to it, I can use
it, but it is fundamentally more annoying and slower to use than the old
drop-down-menus-plus-toolbars interface for a number of reasons. One of
them is that it only lets you do one kind of thing at a time, so you have
to switch back and forth all the time. So for instance, say I want to mess
with tables, or I’m in a spreadsheet and I want to do some sorting. But,
I’m going to want to do some basic formatting with this stuff as well. With
old interfaces or the Open/LibreOffice interface, I can use my table stuff
or sorting stuff dropdown menu, or in the case of OpenOffice I’ve maybe got
a little floating toolbar for it. But my normal stuff toolbar is still
showing, so I can fiddle with it and then format it (set whether it’s
showing as dollars or euros, how many decimal points, center a heading,
whatever) and then fiddle with it some more. With the ribbon, every time I
do a different thing I have to switch back and forth, because with the
ribbon it’s basically like wiping out your toolbar and replacing it with a
different one every time you do something different. Another problem is
that for a lot of things to do with processing words, I actually prefer
thinking in terms of words to thinking in terms of fairly arbitrary little
pictures–go figure. So making it necessary to pick my actions from a large
spread of icons, even with a mouse-over so that if I hover over each icon I
will eventually probably figure out what I need, does not make me
enthused–I’d rather have the option of a relatively short list of words in
a dropdown menu, even if it means that menu might have to nest an extra
level. The ribbon in lots of ways really is a step down in interface design"
https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=11809

So, please, "just because everyone else is doing it" is not a valid
technical reason.

Lots of atrocities were done in the name of progress. Many times it was
just a fad.

FC


Re: Big Sur 4.1.x core dumps

2020-12-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 30/12/2020, Steve Lubbs  wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> There are professional, non-trivial Native OSX apps that don't run on
> Big Sur.

I wrote about all the software that had issues with BigSur. it´s a long list
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201208/13454345846/apples-failure-to-ensure-backwards-compatibility-big-sur-leaves-developers-quite-sour.shtml

For instance, Apple managed to break the Java_Path environment
variable, breaking all Java IDEs in the process.

*facepalm*
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Re: Policy to deal with old web content - Archiving pages?

2020-12-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue., 29 Dec. 2020, 05:55 Jörg Schmidt,  wrote:

>
>
>
> Much easier, and imho functionally sufficient, would be a footer on each
> archive page informing that this is an archive page plus a link to the
> start page (web and wiki) of the current pages.
>

I like the model used by Mozilla here:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/Web/Browser_Detection_and_Cross_Browser_Support

Header " *This is an archived page.* It's not actively maintained."

Blurb: " *Warning:* *The content of this article may be out of date.* This
article was written in 2003"


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Re: Does AOO 4.1.8 run under macOS Big Sur?

2020-11-28 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 28/11/2020, Bidouille  wrote:
>
>> Seems to be "Big Sur" only, see:
>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128415

This is the third piece of open source software that worked on
Catalina but was suddenly broken on BigSur: VirtualBox 6.1 and
Netbeans also had to be modified to address api changes in Big Sur.

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Re: Delete the mailing list general-es

2020-11-21 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 15:11 Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

>
> Shutting down a list breaks a link between some (many?) users and the
> OpenOffice project.


Agree

If, instead, we switch the list -and other
> low-activity lists- to "members only" mode, the moderator will have just
> minimal activity and conversation can be started at any time (and of
> course new members can join by self-subscribing as usual).
>
> Note that I'm also writing this as moderator of a couple lists:


I agree with Andrea's point.
I moderate the virtualbox users community mailing list that Sun
Microsystems decided to discontinue at one pint in favor of web based
forums.

So we moved it to a mailman list hosted on sourceforge, and made it
subscribers-only.

It has been low-volume but very useful for user that for whatever reason
prefer a mailing list over web forums.

Just my $0.02
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released

2020-11-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 12:00 Jim Jagielski  wrote:

> I posted a tweet from our official twitter account.
>

Congrats for this release.
You might want to know that MSFT is back to its dirty tricks and prevents
the signed installer from running, courtesy of "Smartscreen" part of
"Microsoft Defender".

I've posted a tweet with screenshots

https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/1326340013190221826?s=19

It's obvious that hiding the "run anyway" button behind a second click on
"more info" has the intent of people giving up, be scared, and not run it.

FC

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> > On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> >
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> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:51 AM
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
> >>
> >> Am 11.11.20 um 08:49 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmar...@apache.org]
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:34 AM
>  To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>  Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.8 released
> 
>  10 November 2020 - Apache OpenOffice, the leading Open
> >> Source office
>  document productivity suite, announced today Apache
> >> OpenOffice 4.1.8,
>  now available in 41 languages on Windows, macOS and Linux.
>  [...]
> >>>
> >>> I think it is absolutely obvious that version 4.1.8 is an
> >> update (and not an upgrade).
> >>> I don't understand why this is wrongly labeled in the
> >> announcement as well as in the release notes.
> >>
> >> a new release within the 4.1.x release branch cannot be big by
> >> definition of the version schema. So, so using the word
> >> "upgrade" is not
> >> wrong. This is my opinion.
> >>
> >> And to be honest, I don't see a problem here. The difference
> >> of meaning
> >> between "update" and "upgrade" is not really big.
> >
> > Good release notes, as well as good documentation and much more are a
> necessary part of good software.
> > Why is it once again seemingly more important to reject criticism than
> to take it up and consider it for the future?
> >
> > I'm sorry Marcus, it's just this climate in the community that has kept
> me from working more intensively for a long time.
> >
> >> Feel free to use the respective wording in the German version. :-)
> >
> > yes, I had already done that
> >
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Re: IBM Plex font

2018-08-09 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 8/9/18, Marcus  wrote:
>
> even when it looks nice, is great with scaling and also compatible with
> the AL, I'm wondering what a good purpose could be? Adding a new font
> without any reason would just increase the install size about some
> megabytes (when I see this right at [1]).
>
> [1] https://github.com/IBM/plex/releases/tag/v1.1.3
>
> Marcus

One of the reasons I always selected StarOffice, besides supporting
the then-parent-company behind OpenOffice.org (Sun Microsystems) was
the addition of clipart and fonts.

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=29652=5

"Font stuff: There are new "metrically compatible" TrueType Microsoft
Windows core fonts. Font substitution is better. You can set up font
substitution with a new improved algorithm that makes the matching
better, including across platforms."

Back to the IBM font... it´s
 OpenType.zip is 3.82 MB
 TrueType.zip is 4.46 MB

I just downloaded TrueType.zip from the github project page,
decompressed it to its own subfolder, and recompressed it to 7zip
format using p7zip -mx9 (maximum compression). The resulting packaged
size is 2MB

2MB doesn´t seem like a killer size increase to me...

Just my two cents worth...
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Re: Bad news regarding future Java use?

2018-04-21 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Apr 21, 2018, 6:36 AM Pedro Lino  wrote:

>
> People reading something, jumping to conclusions, and freaking out. Move
> along, nothing to see here...
>
>
> I don't think so. Maybe there is a good reason why another office suite
> moved all the scripting to Python.
>

I don't want a broken language that fails miserably if I mistake a space
for a tab.

>
> Facts: there are OpenJDK builds for Windows, Linux, Mac and even Linux ARM
> https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html
>
>
> Fact: Windows users (the vast majority of AOO users) already have or are
> more familiar with Oracle Java
>
Moot point. Repeat after me: Java is OpenJDK is Java. The implementation
and provider doesn't matter. Could be Zulu from Azul Systems. It's Java
compatible, built from the same sources and TCK certified.

https://www.azul.com/downloads/zulu/

> Fact: under the Windows OS the OpenJDK is 64bit only but AOO  is 32bit only
>
Even 32bit Linux buids are getting harder to come by.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2016/07/05/linux_letting_go_32bit_builds_on_the_way_out/

Time to move to x64
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Re: Bad news regarding future Java use?

2018-04-20 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 11:27 AM Pedro Lino  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> If I understand the notice correctly this will not be a problem for
> personal use at home but all OpenOffice features requiring Java can not be
> used within a company unless the company buys a Java license...
>
> I hope I misunderstood the message :(
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>

People reading something, jumping to conclusions, and freaking out. Move
along, nothing to see here...

Facts: there are OpenJDK builds for Windows, Linux, Mac and even Linux ARM
https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html

Plus, this
https://twitter.com/OpenJDK/status/957987021271822337?s=20

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Re: Resigning as RM for 4.1.x

2017-10-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 10/10/17, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 11:54:54 -0400
> Jim Jagielski  wrote:
>
>> Have we ever released a X.Y.Za?
>
>
> Does it matter? There is a first time for everything.  Why throw all the
> 4.1.4 work away and start again with 4.1.5?
> Or call it 4.1.4.1
>
> Rory

+1

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Re: Java 9 32-bit

2017-10-03 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 10/3/17, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> Now what:
> 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences
> (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us to?
> 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform (*nix
> users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be
> available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO.
> 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support.
> 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which is
> liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped?
>
> Damjan

Tempest in a teapot. You do know that Oracle isn't the only provider
of Java or OpenJDK, right?

Options
1. You can buiild your own 32-bit x86 binary based on OpenJDK sources.
2. make AOO compile OK on 64 bit thus making AOO a 64-bit Windows app,
able to use any 64-bit JRE (Oracle JRE, IBM JRE, Azul's Zulu JRE)
3. Have you asked Azul Systems if they can provide a 32-bit build?
4. Compile the Java code in AOO as native with Java 9's AOT compiler?
http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/295

Just my $0.02
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Re: Eclipse vs other IDEs (was: Re: Ide for Open Office (was Building OO))

2017-07-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 7/19/17, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> What is so "very basic" about Eclipse? It's an excellent IDE, among the
> best C++ IDEs I ever used, and the only IDE I use to develop AOO.
>
> I only used Visual Studio a little, and it seemed very good at the .NET
> languages, but poor at C++. What does Visual Studio do, that Eclipse CDT
> doesn't?

What does Eclipse do that Netbeans doesn't?

Just curious, thinking aloud...
;)

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PS: I'm seriously interested if anyone has succesfully used Netbeans
for working with AOO source..

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Re: What is the oldest Linux that AOO can run on? Is there a policy wrt baseline libraries/distro release?

2017-01-21 Thread Fernando Cassia
> For the current 4.1.x series the baseline is so far going to stay CentOS 5.x;
> They will need glibc >= 2.5; this requirement is deliberately chosen  so that 
> it is satisfied by
> virtually all Linux-based desktop systems available today.

Thanks Andrea. That was exactly what I was looking for!.

FC

On 1/19/17, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 13/01/2017 Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> I wonder what are the older Linux version that AOO-current (whatever
>> is the latest version) will run on?
>
> Version 4.1.3 is built on CentOS 5 with glibc 2.5.
>
>> And I'm trying to create a VM with the oldest possible, still
>> supported Linux version, with AOO on it.
>> CentOS 5.5 is still a target platform?
>
> We use the latest CentOS 5, so this would be CentOS 5.11. But binaries
> will work on all the CentOS 5.x series and everything newer than it
> (which basically means any modern, non-modern and even quite old
> Linux-based desktop system).
>
>> And going forward, what do you plan to use as a base? is there a
>> policy? like "the oldest version of CentOS still supported"? or
>> "latest CentOS -1" or what?
>
> For the current 4.1.x series the baseline is so far going to stay CentOS
> 5.x; I expect we may want to revise this after 4.1.4 is released, but
> for the moment this was not discussed.
>
>> Or are the AOO Linux binaries just expected to work on any Linux
>> regardless of glibc version?
>
> They will need glibc >= 2.5; this requirement is deliberately chosen  so
> that it is satisfied by virtually all Linux-based desktop systems
> available today.
>
> Regards,
>Andrea.
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What is the oldest Linux that AOO can run on? Is there a policy wrt baseline libraries/distro release?

2017-01-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
I wonder what are the older Linux version that AOO-current (whatever
is the latest version) will run on?

I'm not concerned too much about kernel but glibc which is a common
cause of hassles.
And I'm trying to create a VM with the oldest possible, still
supported Linux version, with AOO on it.

CentOS 5.5 is still a target platform?

And going forward, what do you plan to use as a base? is there a
policy? like "the oldest version of CentOS still supported"? or
"latest CentOS -1" or what?

Or are the AOO Linux binaries just expected to work on any Linux
regardless of glibc version?

Thanks,
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Re: Inquiries

2016-08-28 Thread Fernando Cassia
[This somehow landed on the dev list]

On 8/28/16, John Yoko Ono Lennon  wrote:
> Does Apache have
> Old English font available?
> How stable is it?
> I have used WPS but it always collapses.
> Upgrade costs?

Apache Open Office uses whatever fonts you have installed on your system.
Once you have a new font installed on your system, AOO will show it,
and you will be able to use it in your documents.

This web site has 44 Old English fonts available for free download
http://www.1001fonts.com/old-english-fonts.html

I have downloaded e.g. Canterbury fonts from the above page, extracted
the .ttf to the fonts folder on my system (since I use LinuxMint, a
variant of Ubuntu Linux, I used as destination the fonts folder
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice - but if you use Windows it's
usually c:\windows\fonts, on Mac, check your OS documentation, I can't
help you with fruity OS), and lo and behold, I could use it on my AOO
text documents, just by selecting the font name from the drop-down
menu.

Here is a screenshot:
https://s12.postimg.org/ul6oec2ul/font.png

Hope this helps. Good luck!
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Re: Merge with LibreOffice?

2016-08-04 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 8/3/16, Christoph Reg  wrote:
> Greetings, dear AOO community.
>
> Please note first that this message is not supposed to be flaimbait or
> trolling of any kind.

It is. Have a nice day.

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Re: Is it time to shut down this effort?

2016-07-23 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 7/23/16, Keith N. McKenna  wrote:

> It can't hurt, but I don't see it having any more success than other
> efforts that have been made over the last 4 - 5 years.
>
> Keith

Let's shut down the project altogether, because, why bother. It's
doomed to failure. That's what you're saying.

Why don't you go with LO and attempt to shut down some lists over there?

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Re: Cross Script vulnerabilities in AOo Extensions?

2016-04-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 4/7/16, toki  wrote:
> All:
>
> In reading
> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/noscript-and-other-popular-firefox-add-ons-open-millions-to-new-attack/
> is the same type of vulnerability is possible with AOo extensions?
>
> jonathon

"By piggybacking off the capabilities of trusted third-party add-ons,
the malicious add-on faces much better odds of not being detected."

The spiral of restrictions only helps the #infosec rock stars continue
being in the spotlight and keep their jobs.

This is akin to someone "discovering" that a forks and knives can be
used as lethal weapons. So let's restrict kitchenware. Better yet,
let's implement a security measure by tying the forks and knife to the
table  to restrict movement of the fork and knife only a few inches
from the dish. But then some "security researcher" will discover that
the wire can be cut by malicious users. So the rope will be replaced
by a steel wire.

Then one day one security researcher will discover that malicious
users can use the steel wire to strangle people.

This can go on ad-infinitum. Hey, just found that pens, those
innocuous devices used for writing and present in the pockets of
numeroous geeks, can be taken by surprise by a bystander and poke you
in the eye!. This is a grave security vulnerability. Let's put all
pens under lock!.

#sarcasm
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Re: Thoughts on a new build system for AOO

2016-02-06 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 2/6/16, Fernando Cassia <fcas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GYP_(software)
>
> BSD license, written in Python, used by Chrpmium so Windows should be
> supported too.
>
> If it doesn't help, sorry about that... just wanted to add my $0.02
> FC

I meant Chromium. Sorry for the typo I'm on a small tablet so expect
more to come ;).
By the way, here's a nice overview of all build systems out there
including some details I didn't know about Boost's Build

https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons/wiki/SconsVsOtherBuildTools

---long quote--
Boost.Build is a system build on the Boost.Jam substrate. Like Make,
it is able to deduce a sequence of build steps given just sources and
a target type. Unlike Make, it knows about different types of
compilers that are common on various systems, and the different steps
involved in compiling for Windows vs Unix. This knowledge allows the
user to describe what needs to be built in high-level terms, without
concern for low-level details such as the compiler's specific flags,
the way that the operating system handles dynamic libraries. The goal
is to be able to write a single, simple, build description (Jamfile)
that is likely to work with any compiler and/or operating system, even
ones you can't personally test on. It also has built-in support for
variant builds, options (e.g. include paths and threading options)
associated with the usage of particular libraries, and the running of
test cases (including automatically setting up necessary environment
variables such as LD_LIBRARY_PATH).

The Boost Build V2 system can create multiple variant and/or compiler
builds in a single build step (e.g. debug objects and release objects
are compiled into separate directories). The learning curve may be
steeper if you're used to directly manipulating low-level build
details such as compiler flags, but you get much more of a
full-featured build system right out of the box. With SCons you could
achieve the same results, but you would have to build an extensive
system on top of it with several more layers of abstraction. Or you
can write much more complicated Sconsfiles, designed to deal with each
of several supported compilers and operating systems individually. The
Boost.Build team is seriously considering the use of Scons as its
low-level build substrate.
--end quote--

 cons: boost build "only works for c and c++ code"
http://www.boost.org/build/tutorial.html

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Re: Thoughts on a new build system for AOO

2016-02-06 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 2/5/16, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> Hi Patricia .. good point about IDE's.
>
> We have a dilemma here:
>
> On one side ~80% of our users are Windows-based so it would certainly
> be ideal to use an environment where we keep both our users and our
> developers in sync. Unfortunately the majority of our developers are
> not Windows based so ideally we should have an environment that people
> on Mac and UNIX find acceptable.
>

Sorry to parachute into the conversation, I'm not a c/c++ dev and I'm
mostly a lurker on this list but just wanted to mention another option
that you guys might have missed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GYP_(software)

BSD license, written in Python, used by Chrpmium so Windows should be
supported too.

If it doesn't help, sorry about that... just wanted to add my $0.02
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding

2016-01-08 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Patience! Let's see what Roberto has to say


Something has been puzzling me lately. What if this is delliberate?. I
mean, people setting up these "fake AOO" sites and then joining the SF.net
advertisers network only to hurt AOO?.

Can an individual project hosted on SF.net, choose to only display adverts
from advertisers that have a long track record of "no problems/complaints"
(a "scoring" if you prefer)? That would be a good way to remove the people
who join the sf.net advertising network with the only purpose to do these
AOO scams and hurt AOO.

Besides the "removal" of offending advertisers, is there any other legal
action that could be taken by the ASF, SF.net, or both? Can we at least
know who they are and publicly shame them? (I suppose if the adverts
networks can pay revenue to them, that they already know who they are and
whom to send the checks to).

Just thinking aloud...
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding

2016-01-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Is it possible for SourceForge to implement an active blocking if any ad
> that has "Office" or "OpenOffice" anywhere in the content?


It's not as simple as that, some evildoers create ad buttons that show the
word "download" or a "play" button (forward triangle).

It should be really easy to fix for SF.net if they wanted:

1. CLEAR MESSAGE in bold text, +2 typeface "Your download will start
automatically, DO NOT CLICK anywhere until it has started".

2. CLEAR separation of the ads and the page information, e.g. 3-pixel thick
line/separator, with the text "ADVERTISING SPACE".

I wonder if anyone from AOO has approached them and requested they
implement something like this?. LEGIT advertisers shouldn't oppose...

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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding

2016-01-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Jan Høydahl  wrote:

> Apache’s mirrors already have the binaries, and should handle the load.


It has been argued repeatedly that they wouldn't.

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Re: [QUESTION] Getting to AOO for Java (AOO4J)?

2015-11-08 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton 
wrote:

> There has been suggestion, and some expressed support, for AOO becoming a
> Java application.
>

+1 I think it would be nice. Previous work on Java based office suites show
promise and that this is possible.

Cases in point:

1. ThinkFree Office
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkFree_Office
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/1579/1/
(the biggest annoyance back when I tried it were jagged fonts, but the Java
platform has gained support for font hinting in later releases and even
HiDPI fonts in Java9).

2. JoeOffice
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2614544/office-software/java-developer-says-he-built--launched-basic-open-source-office-suite-in-30-days.html
Promising work, based on the Netbeans Platform.

3.xfy (now: xMetal)
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2671944/application-development/reinventing-the-office-suite.html

Never tried it, but the above article makes some good points.


>
>  1. NO STANDING-STILL ASSUMPTION. My first assumption is that one can't
> cease Apache OpenOffice maintenance and support while something like a
> redevelopment on Java occurs. It is pretty unthinkable that development of
> a Java version can be accomplished inside the release cycle (even the past
> lengthy cycle), and that migration from AOO as we know it can't be done
> like throwing a switch on the universe.
>

Of course not, Still, the umbrella AOO project can produce and DOES produce
AOO for several platforms, right, well, Java is a platform too.
"AOO for Java" or "AOO Java" sounds about right. Independent of work on the
C/C++ codebase.


>2. FORKING TO MAKE AOO4J?  One could consider making a project fork.
>

The word "fork" only has negative connotations and very little positives,
if you ask me. Think about all the negative headlines that could be written
with that word.

No thanks, I prefer "AOO extended to support Java" (AOO for Java or AOO
Java).

Remember that "Open Office" (the brand name recognition / mindshare) is
AOO's main asset. Even if you guys re-released "Joe's Office" with an
Apache Open Office brand name attached to it, I bet you would get 10x more
users than whatever "Joe's Office" was able to achieve. ;)

Why not join forces and invite the "Joe's Office" developer to such a
project? Just thinking aloud.

Just my $0.02
FC


Re: AOO -> LO or MS O

2015-09-03 Thread Fernando Cassia
"After LibreOffice came out, Oracle released one version of Oracle Open
Office before deciding that the project wasn’t worth the effort
.
It laid off the programmers and gave the code and trademarks to the Apache
Software Foundation, under Apache’s liberal open source license."

That's one version of events. Another version of events is this.
http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder

"Shuttleworth has a fairly serious disagreement with how the
OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice split came about. He said that Sun made a $100
million "gift" to the community when it opened up the OpenOffice code. But
a "radical faction" made the lives of the OpenOffice developers "hell" by
refusing to contribute code under the Sun agreement. That eventually led to
the split, but furthermore led Oracle to finally decide to stop OpenOffice
development and lay off 100 employees."

That's different from "deciding it was not worth the effort".

Why the FUD on a dev list, anyway?

FC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Tony Stevenson  wrote:

>
> This is an interesting read:
>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2015/sep/03/switch-openoffice-libreoffice-or-microsoft-office?CMP=twt_a-technology_b-gdntech
>
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
> --
> Tony
>



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Re: StarWriter for DOS needed

2015-06-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Jan Eric Hogh jan.h...@outrange.de wrote:

 I recently registered at the OO-forum and asked if someone could send me a
 download link for this really old piece of software (StarWriter for DOS,
 may also be called StarWriter compact 2.0 for DOS).
 One of the moderators told me to email the developer list, because he is
 sure that someone there has an archive of old versions.


The founder of Stardivision Gmbh,Marco Boerries is on Twitter, and very
approacheable.
@t3killer https://twitter.com/t3killer

https://twitter.com/t3killer

I suggest you contact him. I´m sure he could donate a copy of that
abandoned software to The Internet Archive (Archive.org), for historical
reasons...
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Re: Question about your product

2015-03-21 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Rose Langer r.lan...@live.nl wrote:

 She asked me about it but i was unable to answer a question. She wonders
 about privacy of your product. Her question basicly was wether you or
 anyone else can see what she writes? Like it is somehow send or saved
 without her knowing?
 I hope you can help/inform us and many thanks in advance!


Hi Rose.

Apache Open Office is a desktop application. That is, a program that is
installed in your computer and works in your computer, locally. It doesn´t
work on the web neither is it a so-called cloud application (like
Google Docs is) which work on the web and sends documents to the cloud.

With Apache Open Office, like with traditional Microsoft Office, what you
write stays on your computer (provided that you save your work files to
hard disk, and don´t e-mail those files :).

Hope this helps.
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Re: Re: Breach of confidentiality

2015-03-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

 Wouldnt that just breach more confidentiality agreements?


Person sends message with confidentiality tagline to a mailing list, issues
legal challenge to shut down the whole World Wide Web.
News at 11:00

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Re: Need to integrate OpenOffice writer in java project

2015-03-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Sharoon D. Dcunha 
sharoon.dcu...@laurusis.com wrote:

 This is Sharoon from Laurus Infosystems Bangalore, India. I am glad to
 know that your derivatives like StarOffice are being integrated to certain
 products and solutions


StarOffice no longer exists. A byproduct of the Libreoffice fork was Oracle
laying off the OpenOffice devs which worked on the commercial product (by
then renamed Oracle Open Office (sans the .org)

See http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder


 . I have few queries which you probably can resolve:
 I need an inline editor to be integrated to my java J2EE project  that can
 edit word and excel documents online and save it without being downloaded.
 Are there any utilities like API's or jars that you provide to integrate ?


OpenOffice.org and now AOO is written in C, not Java.


 Are there any dependencies while using it(framework or database wise)?


Look, for your work you are better off looking at http://www.joeffice.com/
which is Java based

Is it open source or paid software?
 Waiting for your reply .


To be blunt, for a software engineer you come across as very unreliable, if
you can't seem to do basic googling to see if the project you are asking
about is open source or not, or if it is written in java or C.

I for one would never hire you or the company you work for, seeing that you
were unable to check the AOO site or the wikipedia entry for AOO.

I say the above speaking only for myself and as a lurker on this list not
formally associated with the AOO dev team.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

2015-01-26 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com
wrote:

 * One conceivable drawback is that Kivy also uses Kivy Language, for
 creating sophisticated user interfaces[,] though it does not seem to be
 required for creating naive UIs. Kivy is in Python and their conference
 presentations seem to be mostly at PyCons. One might wonder about the use
 of Python for something claiming speed as a virtue.


Ouch.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

2015-01-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Yuri Dario mc6...@mclink.it wrote:

 having written or updated most of the OS/2 code in VCL project, I have
 some experience with it.

 I'm not enterint the debate QT-yes/QT-no, I will only offer a
 developer point of view.

 We can simply use QT like an existing operanting system API, like OS/2
 PM or windows GDI/windowing. As we create a window using the os native
 api, we can also create a window using QT API. Same for drawing,
 printing, etc...


So, what you suggest is actually a VCL-to-QT bridge.

If that is actually doable, technically speaking, that sounds like a good
FOSS project to start on its own.
Don´t restrict it to the realm of AOO, make it a separate endeavour then it
can be used in AOO.

Just saying... don´t restrict the mindshare and reach of the project to
AOO, make it as wide and far-reaching as possible.

FC


Re: [OT] RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

2015-01-15 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 wrote:

 The sales success of Microsoft Office and Office 365 suggest that
 (almost) everyone is inaccurate


IMHO for me this is not (and has never been) an valid argument. People Buy
MS Office because:

1. they have tons of documents written in Microsoft's file formats,
2. because only Microsoft Office guarantees file read/write compatibility
with MS Office documents
3. because they were trained in MS Office and 90% of the tutorials you find
on the web are about how to do [x] in MS Office, not LO, and not AOO
4. Because it's the standard and the business/organization has been
buying MS Office since the beginning of (IT) times...

So, basically, it's all about leverage and vendor lock-in.
I haven't met a single MS Office user who rushed to the store to buy MS
Office licenses because of the lovely Ribbon UI...

Of course, my $0.02...
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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

2015-01-15 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 wrote:

 Maintaining the independently-developed VCL GUI framework is an
 important concern.  (Then there's UNO as a cross-platform COM
 derivative.)


There's two possible approaches that I could see, long-term.

#1

Separating the VCL GUI Framework as a separate Apache project, boosting its
adoption into OTHER FOSS and Apache projects. This way, it gets more
developers, more usage, and more fixes, faster.

1b Doing the same for UNO

#2 Making AOO.Next use OpenJFX 2.2+, which is, incidentally, what ORCL
wanted to do with OpenOffice.org and StarOffice before the LO freedom
fighters *pun intended* caused the demise of the product and the layoffs.

http://www.devx.com/blog/2009/06/ellison-hints-at-oracles-java.html

OpenJFX is open source, and beginning with 2.2, allows native packaging of
JFX apps without requiring the installation or availability of the JRE.

Plus, OpenJFX allows the GUIs tweakling to be done in CSS, which in turn
allows for simple portability to mobile devices.
see http://code.makery.ch/blog/javafx-vs-html5/

So far, JavaFX seems to be pretty robust for mission critical apps... if in
doubt ask NASA ;)

http://tune.pk/video/2534676/polaris-javafx-controlsfx-and-fxyz-supporting-nasa-missions

For #2, however, there's licensing issues (OpenJFX being GPL) which I won't
get into because I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how easy it'd be to
integrate with AOO..

#3 (I know I said two... but...) There's Apache Pivot's WTK tookit. I have
no idea of how well it compared to JavaFX
http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials/

Food for thought, thinking aloud.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

2015-01-15 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 wrote:

 I resonate with these remarks (two extracts below).  I particularly want
 to acknowledge all of the work that Kay Schenk and several others have put
 into making AOO more approachable by new developers.


Ideed, Innovation for change's sake leads to Microsoft's Ribbon UI that
(almost) everyone hated.
In other words, when it comes to GUI design, if it ain't broken, don't fix
it.

just my $0.02
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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

2015-01-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:

 oweted


I intended to write ported

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Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

2015-01-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:57 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:


 I have been working with Qt for many years and have in one project made a
 converter from something similar to our UI descriptions to a Qt
 environment.


I have only experience as an end user of poweted QT apps to the windows
platform, and I can say: avoid it like the plague.
QT apps on Windows tend to become hugue, the bloat added by QT libs is
considerable and plus, the QT apps ported to windows are SLOW TO LOAD.

The size of all the QT libs loading before the app can even be displayed
surely plays a role.

Just my $0.02
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Re: SourceForge and commercial ads - continued

2014-11-20 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Roberto Galoppini 
roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually none of our direct advertisers ask us to deliver similar ads, nor
 we would allow them to do that.
 Unfortunately advertising networks like Google allow that to happen, and
 that's where the problem comes from.


Thanks for the info. At least we know who to blame.
I wrote the above under the assumption that Sourceforge ran its own online
adverts network.

FC


Re: SourceForge and commercial ads - continued

2014-11-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Bernard Marcelly marce...@club-internet.fr
 wrote:

 I see a blue square indicated : updatechecker.
 When I click it I get another panel from http://www.marbiz.net saying (in
 french) :
   Searching for OpenOffice latest version
   Download button
 And then the Conditions :
 chapter 0. Objet: services offered by FULLTIME NETWORKS LIMITED., adresse
 2 Martin House, 179-181 North End Road, Londres W14 9NL, Reino Unido


IMHO this needs to stop. It should be something as simple as a section in
the SourceForge terms of service for its advertisers banning adverts that
impersonate or mention FOSS projects hosted on sourceforge.net, maybe
adding something about deceptive advertising or deceptive clicking.

I mean it´s one thing to offer an OpenOffice add-on and another entirely
to offer an AOO download from an external site.

If SourceForge doesn´t put an end to this, they´re willing accomplices and
are hurting AOO with full knowledge.

Just my $0.02
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Export to swf of presentations = useless for uploading to Youtube

2014-05-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
Hi there,

Apache OpenOffice 4.1 here, WinXP64. (yes, xp64, long story, no I
won't upgrade).

I created a 64-slides long presentation using AOO.
I need this converted to video to upload to Youtube.
I read somewhere that you could export to SWF and that Youtube accepts
SWF uploads.

So I used the Export function and saved the presentation to SWF.

Strangely, a 13.5 megabytes big presentation is conveted after the export to...
a 903 kbytes swf file (and the export takes a long long time).

So, being the Human Magnet for Software Bugs, it seems I've hit the
first AOO bug in the export to swf function... ;)

When I upload this to Youtube, YT shows me a still frame while
processing, warns it couldn't identify the audio codec (my
presentation has a mp3 audio embedded), and after a while says done!
when you watch the video, it lasts less than half a second.

Which explains why a 13.5 MB stills presentation couldn't possible
turn into a VIDEO of 903 kbytes...

Where can I upload this test document for devs to test?. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Export to swf of presentations = useless for uploading to Youtube

2014-05-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:35 AM, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote:
 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10t=62260hilit=youtube

While I appreciate offers of help, that sidesteps the question of how
a presentation of 13+ MB can be turned into a 903K SWF file. What is
the SWF export good for, then?

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Re: Export to swf of presentations = useless for uploading to Youtube

2014-05-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 While I appreciate offers of help, that sidesteps the question of how
 a presentation of 13+ MB can be turned into a 903K SWF file. What is
 the SWF export good for, then?

Just to answer myself... I get it now, export to SWF writes a FLASH
SLIDESHOW of the presentation, it´s now SWF video or a Flash video by
any means...

(Realized that by opening the swf file with a browser, it works, as a
slideshow flash object, sans audio).

I think this is an usability bug, it should be properly labelled ¨SWF
slideshow not just export as swf.
Specially when there´s tons of documents talking about uploading swf
video to youtube. Confusion might arise... (I know, TECHNICALLY SWF
is a container, it could be anything, SWF video, swf slideshow, but if
AOO does export as SWF Slideshow and not swf video, then the option
should be apropiately labeled ¨SWF Slideshow.

Just my $0.02
Thoughts?
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Re: Export to swf of presentations = useless for uploading to Youtube

2014-05-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 SLIDESHOW of the presentation, it´s now SWF video or a Flash video by
 any means...

sorry, typo, I mean´t ¨It´s NOT swf video or Flash video by any means...

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Re: [DISCUSS] possible blog topic -- AOO and Linux: a marriage made in heaven! :)

2014-05-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote:

 * An interesting academic study would be to evaluate the effect Google has
 had in popularizing open standard formats, like ODF, which for
 unconscionably long it referred to as openoffice format, as well as in
 popularizing Linux, albeit sans any prominent community engagement
 (Android). My guess is that the effect has been: who cares, represented by,
 I just want it to work! which of course is what we all want, especially
 those of us really very interested in open standard formats.


1. You mean Google Docs, that doesn't support ODF and forces users to
convert documents back and forth?.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/docs/S6IkdnuH91E

2nd, Android is not Gnu/Linux

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Re: Softpedia: Apache OpenOffice Downloaded More than 100 Million Times, but Not on Linux

2014-04-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 So what am I missing here?

Could be many things, from worst to less bad: Payola, bias, prejudice,
copy-paste journalism repeating the facts from the Other Side,
ignorance... ;)

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Re: Adding from SourceForge to download page

2014-04-16 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 All of our client downloads including product binaries, extensions, and
 templates are served from SourceForge. I would suggest a statement at the
 top of the complete Download column that says something like --
 Trusted downloads served by SourceForge if you think that would help.


I like this approach. But I'd rephrase it to
Please note: Apache OpenOffice downloads are hosted at Sourceforge.Net, so
if your browser redirects there, it is normal.
 [What is SourceForge?]

It would be ideal if you can make a pop-up blurb/baloon and when you hover
the mouse over what is sourceforge explaining what it is.
See this for what I mean...

http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/06/12/tooltips-scripts-ajax-javascript-css-dhtml/

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Re: Adding from SourceForge to download page

2014-04-16 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:

 It would be ideal if you can make a pop-up blurb/baloon and when you hover
 the mouse over what is sourceforge explaining what it is.


I think theselook pretty nice
http://www.beauscott.com/examples/help_balloons/doc/examples.htm

MIT-licensed .js
http://www.beauscott.com/2008/03/02/helpballoonjs-version-20/
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Re: Adding from SourceForge to download page

2014-04-16 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Roberto Galoppini 
roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:


 Or maybe a simple Downloads served by SourceForge, trusted for open
 source?


Yes, I understand that, but I'm fearing the Joe Averages won't get the
meaning of served by or read it and continue reading without stopping to
think what it implies, and will freak out at the redirect nevertheless...

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Re: Adding from SourceForge to download page

2014-04-16 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 If we had a simple, clean page, I think users would be less confused.
 The more we load up the page with text and links, trying to be
 helpful, the more users will be overwhelmed and doubt themselves.  I
 think we're far past the over-saturation point on the download page
 already.  I count 67 links on the page already.  Mozilla manages to
 help users download Firefox with only three links in addition to the
 download itself:  Systems  Languages, What's New and Privacy.



Then the alternative is for the download link script instead of just
jumping to sourceforge, display a new page reading ¨You´re being redirected
to Sourceforge.net download servers... ¨ wait a few seconds then proceed
with the redirect.

Thoughts?
Just my $0.02
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Re: Cost savings by using a thinner typeface

2014-03-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 Interesting story:


 http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/living/student-money-saving-typeface-garamond-schools/index.html?c=uspage=0



http://fcw.com/articles/1998/09/27/dod-agency-sheds-the-paper-trail.aspx

DOD's paperless contracting goals are part of DOD's overall Defense Reform
Initiative unveiled last year by Vice President Al Gore and Secretary of
Defense William Cohen. The department's re-engineering goals include the
creation of a paperless society by the year 2001, Cohen said, and the
movement of all paper-based documentation and transactions to electronic
media.

I guess a paperless society will take some more time... ;)

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PS: I noticed Samsung has started offering its own toner-saving software
(aka Print optimization) in their web site for its laser printer. It
reduces ink usage by offering a preview of the printout (before it's sent
to the windows print spooler) and then lets you adjust grayscales and
basically sets brightness higher (blacks become grays, grays become
lighter grays, etc) saving a lot of toner in the process. Perhaps this
could be integrated as a toner saver feature in the print preview dialog,
so it benefits everyone not only those with Samsung printers or those who
have installed third party ink saving software?
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Re: More annoying FUD

2014-02-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 Of course, we shouldn't judge their release criteria.  That is their
 business (and their users) not ours.  But when they make false
 comparisons in a table, comparing apples-to-oranges, then we ought to
 note it.

LIARS, that's the word.

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Re: Openoffice is being sold on ebay

2013-11-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:34 PM, luis e didakti...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I will try to contact ebay to let them know about this issue.

 Regards


And this is wrong because?

Even if it were a GPL license piece of software (it itsn't) it's perfectly
fine to sell open source software.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

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Re: openoffice fuck u

2013-11-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
2013/11/19 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie

 The world is full of people who believe that using a computer excuses them
 from any necessity of rational thought.


The world is getting dumber every passing day. And Google and Microsoft are
partially to blame with the dumbing-down of user interfaces.

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Re: ComputerWorld: Apache OpenOffice 4 vs. LibreOffice 4.1

2013-11-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote:

 interesting read, it contains still some misleading info and missed to
 say where the sidebar feature in LO comes from but anyway.


Interesting how forks jump the version number to a higher number than the
parent projects to mislead unsuspecting visitors that the fork is somewhat
newer and better than the parent project.

I mean, if a project a is at v 6.0 and then you say project b is a fork of
project a and project b is at version 6.1, many would concluse that the one
with v6.1 is newer and better. I think this is deliberate.

The MySQL fork MariaDB and its version jump to 10.x vs MySQL 5.x comes to
mind, and before that, Microsoft started the trend of version number
jumping when Word battled Wordperfect, and WP was at version 5.x, MS
WinWord jumped from version 2.0 to 6.0, so suddenly the revies were about
the battle of MS Word 6.0 vs Wordperfect 5.x. Get the idea? The one with
the lower version number gets the less developed subliminal message.

I think Apache OpenOffice should thus jump to version 8.0 for the next
release, and when LO releases ita 8.1 AOO releases version 10. And so on
until this madness and dirty trick ends. ;)

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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

2013-10-21 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:

 Given the number of Android devices out there and growing I can see a time
 where if its not editable there it won't be worth considering.


I think it's worth educationg consumers that tablet form factor does not
necessarily mean Android OS on a ARM CPU.

I'm using a MSI Windpad 110W with 10 screen and AMD Fusion CPU/GPU (APU).
I can run any darn x86 OS I want on it, Win7, Ubuntu Linux, Fedora Linux,
FreeBSD.

There are many other x86 tablets with CPUs from AMD and Intel.
Why people continue restricting themselves to ARM/Android devices (besides
50%+ lower cost) when they could have the power of a full laptop on a
tablet form factor is beyond me...

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Re: Open office

2013-10-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Alan ti...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Are there any plans to make soft wear available for I Pad?


What is Soft wear, Alan?. Sounds like garmends that are soft to the touch.
Oh, you must mean software.


 Alan T.


See this offering to run OpenOffice on iPad. Be warned that it's a SERVICE
that you must pay for.

https://www.rollapp.com/openoffice

Regards,
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Re: Open office

2013-10-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:

 See this offering to run OpenOffice on iPad. Be warned that it's a SERVICE
 that you must pay for.


I forgot to say that it's currently in beta, and that you can sign up (for
now) free of charge.

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Re: Open office

2013-10-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote:

 rollApp charges now? How sad.


No they don't, as it's beta. But I'd expect them to eventually do.
How else would they fund it?. Banners?

The whole SAAS move is about charging a monthly or yearly subscription for
things that before were free when installed into your PC. Look at GMail,
they don't charge you for the service, but they charge you for extra cloud
storage.

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Re: Una nueva fuente de descargas de software - http://www.openoffice.org/es/

2013-10-02 Thread Fernando Cassia
2013/10/2 anita nita.na...@gmail.com:

La Lista a la que escribiste es una lista en ingles.

 Encontré su sitio web mientras buscaba software, y encontré su sitio web muy
 interesante J

Es un proyecto de software libre. Las descargas se hacen desde los
mirrors de Sourceforge.

 Note que están dando el enlace a  http://www.openoffice.org/es/
 http://www.openoffice.org/es

Esa es la pagina en español del proyecto OpenOffice

  de la página
 http://www.portalprogramas.com/ http://www.portalprogramas.com/

Yo no veo ningun enlace alli a portalprogramas.

 Yo formo parte de un proyecto local español que permite incrementar la
 disponibilidad de software en español.

Ah si? como? Ya que Apache Openoffice YA ESTA disponible en español,
me temo que no hay mucho por hacer al respecto.

Me preguntaba si no le molestaría actualizar el enlace a la página web del
proyecto  http://es.downloadastro.com/

Por que habria Apache OpenOffice enlazar a un sitio de terceros?

Ademas, tu sitio, emprendedora local ofrece entre otras descargas
adobe photoshop y luego de licencia dice version completa (!?) que
no es un tipo de licencia que yo sepa, e intenta descargar un
ejecutable downloader de 640k.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6540/t4ic.jpg

Asi que en lo personal DownloadAstro no me inspira NINGUNA CONFIANZA.

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Re: A question about StarBasic

2013-09-02 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Clarence GUO clarence.guo...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm totally green at StarBasic and VBA


I suggest you read this. Since StarOffice was OpenOffice.org -w some
addons- which is now AOO, it is totally relevant.

http://toolkit.its.isu.edu/Documentation/StarOffice/StarOffice_Basic_Guide_en-US.PDF

You will understand then that StarBasic -or OpenOffice Basic- is NOT VBA,
and that things aren't a drop-in replacement. Similar, yes. For instance,
VBA is Windows-Only and hence can interface to Windows-only services, while
StarBasic/OOBasic is, like Open Office,needs to run on multiple platforms.

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Re: [RELEASE]: propose snapshot build for AOO 4.0.1

2013-09-01 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/snapshot/

 The wiki is not yet updated and I won't have time to do it.

Thanks!

What is the difference between Windows and Windows2 subdir contents?

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Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot build for AOO 4.0.1

2013-08-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:

 we have prepared a new snapshot build for AOO 4.0.1 for Windows, MacOS
 and Linux based on the SNAPSHOT tag.

 The SNAPSHOT tag rev. 1518670 is based on revision 1518667 on branch AOO401

First minor visual annoyance. I clicked on the AOO launcher and got this:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5526/9owy.jpg

I actually expected this (full screen).
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8707/qsna.jpg

I can understand individual apps (Calc, Writer, Impress, etc) not
launching full screen (Id actually prefer everything to launch full
screen, but I understand that some people might need to have two apps
open at once to copy/paste data, so respecting the last window
position/size might be nice for some), but in the case of the main
OpenOffice app launcher, not running it full screen is UGLY. Notice
the AOO logo cut in the screenshot.

These small things, IMHO, make a lot of difference wrt the first
impression that users get. If I have to click to maximize the window
to start working, thats one additional annoyance...

Just my $0.02
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Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot build for AOO 4.0.1

2013-08-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 Is your screen resolution really 800x500? In that case you are running
 OpenOffice below the system requirements of 1024x768
 http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo40.html but, I would
 also add, you are running it at a very unusual screen resolution...

I'm running Win7 64bit on a MSI Windpad tablet. Native screen
resolution is 1280x800.

If the screenshot was resized, Imageshack did it.

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Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot build for AOO 4.0.1

2013-08-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 but, I would
 also add, you are running it at a very unusual screen resolution...

Dont be confused by the large Firefox buttons in the window in the
back (1st screenshot), thats a special Firefox theme that allows
easier navigation with the tablet's touch screen and my fat fingers,
by making FF toolbar buttons 2x the size.

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Re: [RELEASE]: new snapshot build for AOO 4.0.1

2013-08-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:

 The wiki page is updated and for Linux you can find archive builds as
 well directly in the directory (not linked via the wiki).

Thanks for the heads up , Jürgen. Can you point us to the download
dir? Im not sure what wiki or what page within such wiki youre
referring to. I'd like to test Windows builds if possible.

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Re: Slashdot Article

2013-08-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Simple Good simpleng...@gmail.com wrote:
 MS Office uses much less resources. This is a
 bad decision on the part of OpenOffice developers.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/office-system-requirements-FX102921529.aspx#

For home
Office Home  Student 2013
COMPONENT REQUIREMENT
Computer and processor 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster x86-bit or x64-bit
processor with SSE2
Memory 1 GB RAM (32-bit); 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 
Hard disk 3.0 GB available disk space 

Please do not feed the troll.
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Re: [RELEASE]: preparation for AOO 4.0.1

2013-08-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
 In preparation for an AOO 4.0.1 release I have first created a AOO400
 tag based on revision 1503704. I have also created a new branch AOO401
 based on branch AOO400 based on the head revision of the branch.

 I noticed that Yuri checked in some code on the branch already. Can we
 please follow some guideline how we handle such release branches?

Is there a chance to get a fix so that AOO 4.0.1 starts properly
maximized ALL THE TIME?

On Windows at least (Win7 64bit) it didn't. Of course after maximizing
it, it started maximized after the fact (probably reading the last
window size from some saved preference, but the fact that it doesn't
automagically maximize its window annoys me. Is there a bug report for
this? Anyone else seen this? Any rationale for the app not starting
maximized?.

On a related note, the first thing I do (since the StarOffice 3.1
days) when I open a new document is set zoom level to Optimal (or
optimize width, I'm not sure right now how it's called).

Why isn't this the default is beyond me. Otherwise, with the standard
zoom level lots of horizontal screen real state is wasted. Thoughts?
Comments? Expletives? ;)

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Re: [RELEASE]: preparation for AOO 4.0.1

2013-08-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
 But if
 we change it it annoys potentially other users. The question is what
 would be the correct and most often wanted default.

What is the purpose of showing margins, and by extension, seeing text
smaller, (less zoom level)?. Is there any data the user can put on
Margins? change the margin colors? put pictures in margins?. In short:
what use is there for margins taking a sizeable portion of the screen
size?

I'm not saying we should NOT show margings, after all, in Optimal
width, a portion of the margins is seen, but not 50-100 pixels of
them, on every side.

I'm not even saying the view with margins is wrong, maybe someone
wants to look at the bigger picture. But for TYPING text, optimal
width is the best. So, again, why isn't that option the default?.

Maybe the UX guys can comment?. And yes, I'd love to see a survey. And
even better, some telemetry (like Firefox' ) about how many users,
when typing or browsing text documents, end up viewing the document in
optimize width mode).

Thanks for taking the time to answer, btw. Appreciate it.
Best regards,

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Re: [discuss] drop support for Java 5 and Java 6 for Windows

2013-08-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:
 My arguements for a drop of the Java 5 and Java 6 support on Windows are:
 - JRE 5 is quite old and no longer officially available
 - JRE 6 is no longer officially available
 - JRE 6 has certain security risks and the corresponding tools on Widnows
 are reporting to update to JRE 7

Yes, Java 6 on windows is EOL'd.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html

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Re: [discuss] drop support for Java 5 and Java 6 for Windows

2013-08-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Peter Eberlein
pet@refofd.verwalt-berlin.de wrote:

 If Java 6 has been dropped and Java 7 wasn't found on the system, wouldn't
 it be better to replace the general MsgBox There was no Java environment
 found by Java 7 or higher wasn't found?
 Otherwise people who know that they have 1.6 installed may be confused.

+1

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Re: Release 4.0.0 binaries storage and SF

2013-08-02 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Henk P. Penning penn...@uu.nl wrote:
   I would like to (properly) exclude dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries/
   from the mirrors. This directory now only contains checksums
   (.md5's, .asc's and .sha256's) ; and on the mirrors only empty
   directories (because checksums are excluded for mirrors).

I'm just an end user lurking here, but care to explain why AOO is not mirrored?

There is a local Apache mirror site at
http://mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/apache/

and I was surprised to find it didnt contain any AOO binaries,just empty dirs.
http://mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/apache/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries/

Instead, I had to download from the nearest SF.net mirror which is in
Brazil and very overloaded (or with ooor routing from my FTTH ISP, I
dont know).
TIA

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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

2013-07-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 Any AOO binary cannot be installed on AIX as it is not optimized and
 compiled for this operating system. That means first at least one developer
 has to port AOO to AIX.

I remember the good old days when AIX sales reps touted its ability to
run Linux apps just a recompile away...

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/software/aix/linux/index.html
The AIX operating system (OS) has a long history of standards
compliance and it is generally straightforward to rebuild Linux
applications for AIX. The AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications
demonstrates the strong affinity between Linux and AIX operating
systems.

Oh well, marketing...
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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

2013-07-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Looks really challenging. Thanks for your little insight.

 Marcus

I suggest you guys ask the IBMers who did the Aix Toolbox project
http://sourceforge.net/projects/aixtoolbox/ . They have a mailing list
@ sourceforge (but no files hosted there)
http://sourceforge.net/p/aixtoolbox/mailman/aixtoolbox-list/ which
shows most activity sems to have dried up by mid-2009

This thread is particularly insightful
http://sourceforge.net/p/aixtoolbox/mailman/aixtoolbox-list/?viewmonth=200906

Once upon a time IBM had a nice intranet... where IBMers of one
product group could request help to other groups...
Maybe Rob Weir could find someone from the AIX group willing to help?
Just thinking aloud..

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Re: Use AOO under IBM AIX?

2013-07-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 IBM is a big company, and I don't have regular context with any AIX
 people right now.  I did a decade ago when I was working on C++ port
 of Apache Xalan, the XSLT processor.  Getting it to work on AIX was a
 key requirement.  Of course, that was quite a while ago.  But I can
 ask around to see if anyone is interested and AOO port.

 As others are saying, this is a big task for one person, but there is
 sufficient interest, of the kind that leads to more developer
 volunteers, then anything is possible.

If you read fully the 2009 mailing list thread @SF.net that I pointed
earlier you will se that at one point on it, someone mentions an
alternative repository which has newer versions of some of the ported
Linux libs to AIX than the ones at IBMs Toolbox page. If you can get
from such site newer ported versions of linux libs gnu tools and and
build environment (gcc etc) then you will be halfway there.

Like old Sunsite for Solaris, which took popular FOSS GNU/Linux apps
and ported those to Solaris, I think its highly likely that some
hardcore aix sysadmins out there might have newer gnu components built
for aix on their own ftp server. It usually doesnt take many people to
do that, just a single commited individual can do it. Im saying this
because I know that the IBM OS/2 ports of popular FOSS apps like
apache, postgresql and php are the effort of a single person in
Australia...

Wait, I saved you some work, here is the AIX site referenced above:
http://www.perzl.org/aix/

---
On this website you find AIX Open Source packages which I have
compiled, tested (as much as I can) and packaged on AIX5L V5.1 or
higher. They are intended to replace 100%-compatible the IBMTM AIX
Toolbox for Linux Applications. These packages are provided as-is,
meaning I support them as much as I can
---
the update history link shows he last updated packages 5 days ago.

Its safe to conclude,then, that IBM Toolbox for AIX is dead and
buried, and that if one intends to get Apache Openoffice 4 built for
AIX, one should get the latest gnu tools,linux libs and compilers
ported to AIX from Michael Perlz site perlz.org/aix/, not the IBM
site.

By reading his about me page, he sounds like someone who should be
kindly invited here...
http://www.perzl.org/aix/index.php?n=Contact.AboutMe

Ok, enough thinking aloud for today... hope this helps...
FC
PS: I'd tell IBM to edit the Toolbox pages to highlight its an
abandoned effort
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Re: Article on the Register

2013-06-12 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:

 completely the now open


Sorry the above line should be completely IGNORED Netrexx

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Re: Article on the Register

2013-06-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote:

 I just read this article [1] on the Register: Apache devs: 'We'll ship no
 OpenOffice before its time'

 It is sad that it has the usual misinformation:


You should find the email of the publication's news editor and write a
polite yet firm complaint, saying in fewer words what you said here, put
the writer in cc:, then lay back and enjoy the fireworks. It also helps if
you put such letter on-line and reference it in your e-mail.

Just an idea.. ;-)

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Re: Build AOO in Win7 Troubles

2013-06-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote:

 we use Cygwin as build env only and compile with the Microsoft compiler.
 We have no runtime dependency to Cygwin.


Thanks! that's good to know.

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Re: Build AOO in Win7 Troubles

2013-06-06 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Ivan Fuentes jiv...@gmail.com wrote:

 What do i need to do to fix the nos??


http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/
?

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Re: Build AOO in Win7 Troubles

2013-06-06 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/
 ?


or perhaps MinGw32

http://mingwrep.sourceforge.net/

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Re: [VOTE] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

2013-06-04 Thread Fernando Cassia
Chris Rottensteiner
--

HERE IS THE BALLOT:

My ranked preferences for the AOO 4.0 logo are:

1st Choice: None of the above

2nd Choice: Logo-04

3rd Choice: Logo-34

4th Choice: Logo-36

5th Choice: Logo-26

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Re: Find a better name for sidebar?

2013-05-23 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:

 Please also see the difference and the potential advantage for our program - 
 a sidebar is just a sidebar but a ...our special name for *our* sidebar... 
 is a little bit more, is the original.

+1

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Re: Results from AOO 4.0 Logo Poll

2013-05-05 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 The survey ran for a week,and received over 5000 responses.  I wrote
 up the results, along with some charts, and put them here:

 http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/


When I wanted to vote, it was over already.

I personally wouldn't lose any time redesigning the visual identity UNLESS
the new design is clearly superior with the old one, and there's concensus
that there's SOMETHING WRONG with the old one to begin with.

You don't see corporations changing their logos very much, if at all,
sometimes, it can have disastrous results. Why change something has very
positive brand recognition?.

If it's a minor restyling, maybe, but even small changes can have
disastrous results.
Think New Coke

Of couse, I'm the minority in this view and if you've gone so far I suspect
you're going to change it anyway.

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Re: [CODE][PROPOSAL]: AOO 4.0 getting rid of the 3 layer office, part 1

2013-03-27 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote:

 On demand I can provide test builds if there are people interested to
 help with testing.

 Juergen


Great work. May I suggest you upload such test builds to some cloud drive
(GDrive, dropbox, etc) and share the url to the list? TIA!

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Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

2013-03-26 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 My ordered preference would be 1, 3


yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft
presentation titled 'how Microsoft Office is better than
OpenOfffice.org OO.o lacks database? check!

My opinion is that maybe Sun put HSQLDB in there to fill in the need for a
resident database engine, which in the commercial offering (StarOffice) was
filled by Adabas D.

One can still read the positive reviews of StarOffice where the database
module is praised:

http://www.amazon.com/Sun-Microsystems-0614647643195-StarOffice-7/dp/BDG2N4


* StarOffice Adabas (database application) is included (getting MS Access
requires buying MS Office Pro) and is easier to use than MS Access. Adabas
integrates with other StarOffice apps so, for instance, users can easily
create mail merge documents.
///

So, if HSQLDB is not up to par, maybe the realistic solution is to find a
database engine lightweight and powerful enough to take the role that
Adabas D had in StarOffice?.

FC
PS: I read this whole thread as 'we don't want to maintain this code, since
we don't understand it, and we fear it's buggy'. But the solution in any
case is replacing the database module for another, or improving the
existing code, not making excuses for saying 'people don't use databases
after all so it should be gone'.


Re: Adabase...

2013-03-04 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 It seems we have a fair amount of code devoted to dealing with AdaBase.
 And, it seems, this used to ship with OpenOffice (well Star Office
 actually). I can't find a lot of activity surrounding this lately.

It´s ADABAS, not Adabase.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADABAS

And what is wrong with supporting a third party database?.

Adabas community edition (90 day trial) continues to be available for download.
https://www.softwareag.com/corporate/products/adabas_2010/download/default.asp

Use Google, it is your friend. ;-)

Best regards,
FC

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Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-17 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 My impression was that even if we made no changes, from the user's
 perspective, they would lose all extensions.  This is due to the
 change in base directory for the profile.  So all extensions would be
 lost and need to be reinstalled.  So there will be no doubt in the
 user's mind, even if they do not read the release notes, that the
 extensions are gone.

Just copy the Firefox way A dialog reading something like Oh,
we´ve detected some extesions, checking for compatibility with 4.0...
followed by the following extensions are not compatible with 4.0 and
have been disabled, you might want to check [url] for newer versions
compatible with 4.0.

Of course, automated checking of each extension on a central database
(like FF does) would be great, but the half-solution (informative
message) above is better than nothing.
Just my $0.02
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Re: Updating Java libraries

2013-02-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Michael Lam mnsyl4...@verizon.net wrote:

 It is partially to address the JDK issue but there have been improvements
 in HSQLDB for both performance and conformance that would be helpful which
 is why I lean more towards updating to the latest rather than patching the
 existing


+1
fwiw
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Re: Updating Java libraries

2013-02-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Fred Ollinger folli...@gmail.com wrote:

 but we should also
 respect that many distros are probably going to ship java 6 for a
 while.


for example?

FC


Re: Updating Java libraries

2013-02-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Fred Ollinger folli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Haha, I don't know. I could be wrong.


OpenJDK 7 is the current version, OpenJDK 8 is coming along nicely.

OpenJDK 6 is the past. Yes, there' s been some RedHat volunteers saying
they' ll keep releasing OpenJDK 6 updates and security fixes, but from a
developers'  perspective it' s as unattractive as some .Net developer still
using the Net 1.0 APIs... or a Java developer still using JDK 1.4 for that
matter.

Ubuntu: OpenJDK 7
http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/openjdk-7-jdk

Fedora 18: OpenJDK 7
http://pkgs.org/download/java-1.7.0-openjdk

SUSE: OpenJDK 7
http://software.opensuse.org/package/java-1_7_0-openjdk

Debian: OpenJDK 7
http://packages.debian.org/sid/openjdk-7-jre

ArchLinux: OpenJDK 7
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/jre7-openjdk/

So, again: we should also respect that many distros are probably going to
ship java 6 for a while. = SciFi ?

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Re: Updating Java libraries

2013-02-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Fred Ollinger folli...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, I won't build with java6 anymore then.


don' t get me wrong, I don' t want to influence your decissions one way or
the other.
For sure there's a lot of openjdk 6 installed out there.

My point was that, going forward, most distros will have openjdk7.

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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

2013-02-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote:

 We should argue that the aliases came from OpenOffice and that they were
 hijacked if you want by LibreOffice. They even used the package name in
 the past to install LibreOffice and not OpenOffice. We tolerated it
 because we had no updated version in place with the latest security
 fixes. But that's it and the game changed, we have a current version and
 will provide future versions.


+1

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Re: AOO on the Cloud

2013-02-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto bin...@apache.orgwrote:



 A suggestion for the future of Apache OpenOffice. :-)

 --
 Albino Biasutti Neto
 Software Livre | Open Source | Free Software
 albino.ws  ...  @bino28 no identi.ca
 ~bino28 -- s.apache.org/zKb


http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/11/08/1658257/cloud-version-of-openoffice-in-the-works

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Re: envelope addressing

2013-01-27 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Ivor Williams
ivorwilliam...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

 Request mWIKI account
   Thank you,
   Ivor V


I´m curious, why the subject line envelope addressing ? And do you
have problems with the Tab key that makes line indentation so weird?

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Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18

2013-01-24 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.org wrote:

 It's not enough to remove LO, at least in all previous fedora versions,
 you have to blacklist lo in /etc/yum.conf with a line

 exclude=libreoffice*

Sorry for nitpicking. But should this be automated as part of the
install? maybe show a little dialog saying we´ve detected that your
system is configured to use a piece of software that is incompatible
with AOO. Want the installer to automatically disable it so that AOO
can install? [Yes/No]

The curse of the Linux world is the tutorials that tell users how to
do things by editing certain files, and installers that, having known
for years that such manual procedures are required, do not make the
slightest effort to automate the process.

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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

2013-01-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
 That dies
 of course rely on having at least a significant minority of drug free
 competitors!

 :-)

I think you pasted your reply into the wrong GMail compose window. Or,
I´m beginning to lose track of where this thread is going. ;)

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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

2013-01-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Skate to where the puck will be
 rather than where it is or has been.

That´s fine. So, who wants to add a -vncserver switch to AOO ? ;)

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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

2013-01-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 That´s fine. So, who wants to add a -vncserver switch to AOO ? ;)

Hmmm I´ve been researching this and it turns out all VNC
implementations out there are GPL.

BUT there´s this interesting solution with an Apache license...

http://www.freerdp.com/

FreeRDP is a free implementation of the Remote Desktop Protocol
(RDP), released under the Apache license. Enjoy the freedom of using
your software wherever you want, the way you want it, in a world where
interoperability can finally liberate your computing expeience

Ha! it looks as if I had written it with regards to AOO thin client ;)
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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

2013-01-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ha! it looks as if I had written it with regards to AOO thin client ;)

I´ll try to see if this thing is buildable and I can sort f make a
wrapper-launcher for AOO...

FC


Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

2013-01-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Joost Andrae joost.and...@gmx.de wrote:
 Oracle Cloud Office cannot be compared with developments like StarPortal or
 Sun ONE Webtop that needed office processes to run on client side. Oracle
 Cloud Office used the ODF file format to render it by using JavaScript. OTOH
 bulk document conversions were done by an office process on server side.
 Oracle Cloud Office scaled far better.

Joost,

Very interesting information.

However, I never,ever ever ever mentioned any ORCL product so I don´t
know why you bring that up :)

Personally, I´d just envisioned a way to put Apache OpenOffice on my
Linux server and be able to acess it from my Nokia N800 tablet running
Mer Linux and a VNC client, among other older systems, but in a
seamless way, not running a full vnc session with Linux windows
manager etc

I also have a pair of IBM Network Stations (powerpc) that I can use as
thin clients by booting the FreeBSD port tailored for those.

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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

2013-01-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
 What we really need is a cloud version of AOO like Google Docs.

We don´t *need* ONE thing. That´s the beauty of open source, ´we´
could do *several* things.

I for one don´t ´need´ an AJAX / HTML5 version of AOO... GDocs is fine...

I personally think browser based apps are a pig, and doing apps in
JScript is insane. I had Chrome open the other day just with GMail and
it was using over 150 MB of RAM

A thin client virtualized version on the other hand would use the PC´s
CPU and horsepower and deliver great speed to even to lowest powered
devices.

But of course, that´s going in a different direction from the current fad

FC


Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

2013-01-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Swimming against global trends is not a sensible idea when you have
 very limited resources and very little time.

Never implied that. Just said it´d be cool to have the current AOO
edition repurposed -or extended- to also serve thin clients over VNC
would be useful. That is adding a wrapper or connector or middleware
-call it as you want- not re-engineering everything.

Of course that doesn´t prevent or deter AOO project leaders from going
Ajax, HTML5 or whatever fancy inefficient trend comes next.

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