Re: Forums and FAQ

2022-05-16 Thread Marcus

Am 16.05.22 um 20:45 schrieb Dave Fisher:

We don’t have the German Forum on forum.openoffice.org - we link to here: 
https://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html and that links to here: 
https://www.openoffice-forum.de


so, we don't need the strings in German as they won't show up, right?

Thanks

Marcus




On May 16, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Marcus  wrote:

Am 10.05.22 um 02:25 schrieb Dave Fisher:

We need versions of the following strings to add for each language:
./language/en/help/faq.php
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_SPECIFIC' => 'OpenOffice.org 
Community Forum Specific Issues',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_WHERE_CAN_I_FIND' => 'Where can I find 
FAQs relating specifically to OpenOffice.org products?',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_WHERE'=> 'We don\'t maintain an FAQ per se, but you is you start with our Survival Guide, this will explain how to go about using the forum.  You will also find 
specific tutorials in the Tutorials forum.  You can also use the https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/;>OpenOffice wiki as a knowledge source.',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_HOW_TO_ASK'   => ‘
How do I ask a question?',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_HOW'  => 'Please read the Survival Guide before you post. These guidelines and 
rules help the community to make the most of this forum. The remainder of this FAQ coverts general issues 
to do with the using phpBB3.',
Here’s where the strings are used.
./phpbb/help/controller/faq.php
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_SPECIFIC',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_WHERE_CAN_I_FIND' => 
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_WHERE',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_HOW_TO_ASK' => 'HELP_FAQ_AOO_HOW',


can someone show me where the German strings would show up in the forum?
For a (still needed ?) translation I need a bit context.

Thanks

Marcus




On May 9, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Bidouille  wrote:

Hello,

Small problem with FAQ on all forums except EN
https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/download/file.php?id=145454

I don't know how these strings has been added.


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Re: Forums and FAQ

2022-05-16 Thread Marcus

Am 10.05.22 um 02:25 schrieb Dave Fisher:

We need versions of the following strings to add for each language:

./language/en/help/faq.php
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_SPECIFIC' => 'OpenOffice.org 
Community Forum Specific Issues',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_WHERE_CAN_I_FIND' => 'Where can I find 
FAQs relating specifically to OpenOffice.org products?',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_WHERE'=> 'We don\'t maintain an FAQ per se, but you is you start with our Survival Guide, this will explain how to go about using the forum.  You will also find 
specific tutorials in the Tutorials forum.  You can also use the https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/;>OpenOffice wiki as a knowledge source.',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_HOW_TO_ASK'   => ‘
How do I ask a question?',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_HOW'  => 'Please read the Survival Guide before you post. These guidelines and 
rules help the community to make the most of this forum. The remainder of this FAQ coverts general issues 
to do with the using phpBB3.',

Here’s where the strings are used.

./phpbb/help/controller/faq.php
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_SPECIFIC',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_WHERE_CAN_I_FIND' => 
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_WHERE',
'HELP_FAQ_AOO_HOW_TO_ASK' => 'HELP_FAQ_AOO_HOW',


can someone show me where the German strings would show up in the forum?
For a (still needed ?) translation I need a bit context.

Thanks

Marcus




On May 9, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Bidouille  wrote:

Hello,

Small problem with FAQ on all forums except EN
https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/download/file.php?id=145454

I don't know how these strings has been added.


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Re: [IMPORTANT] Scheduling Maintenance for our Forum

2022-05-05 Thread Marcus

Also from me a big thank you for this even bigger work.
It's very much appreciated. :-)

Marcus



Am 05.05.22 um 13:02 schrieb Dick Groskamp:

Thanks for the update Dave. Much appreceated.

Dutch forum looks good.

On 2022/05/04 23:06:54 Dave Fisher wrote:

Maintenance on the Forums is completed!

The Forums are now at phpBB 3.3.7 which was released March 17, 2023. The prior 
version was 3.0.9 released July 10, 2011.

Very, very happy. Future updates should be much easier. I will follow up with 
the Forum sysadmins on these issues:

1. The Italian Forum has a weird display issues. I think that a post will need 
to be regenerated.
2. We need to find forum administrators to replace imacat for each forum.
3. I will need to document the process, customizations and migration steps.

But I’ll need a few days away.

ATB,
Dave


On May 4, 2022, at 7:38 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Https://forum.openoffice.org is now offline with a simple page to checkbook 
later..


On May 4, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:




On May 4, 2022, at 1:14 AM, David Robley  wrote:

Registration works OK; I registered a new user, got the activation email and 
activated the account. Then posted a first message and (as moderator) approved 
it, but I _did not_ get the email advising of approval although the post was 
cleared. I did check junk as that was where the activation email ended up :-).

There is an apparent inconsistency on the mod control panel; some recent events 
that are displayed under the Moderator Logs tab do not appear under the Main 
tab.

While I'm on the topic, is there any chance the change to the search page I 
mentioned at 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105949#p515320 might be 
implemented?

Done! Try it on the EN forum and I’ll propagate to the others.


And, pushing my (our?) luck even more, the extensions Banhammer and stopforumspam 
mentioned in 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=104=96141#p513871

We’re going to need to take full control of the forum sysadmin role once the 
migration is completed.


On 5/2/22 17:28, Dave Fisher wrote:

The en and fr forums are available to test:

https://openoffice-vm1-lw-us.apache.org/

Please test these forums.

Known work to do:
- Restore the Apache Open Office logo in the header
- Return the Apache and Get OpenOffice information in the footer
- Avatars have moved in 3.3.7 need to determine how to move them.

The automatic mySQL migration from 3.0.9 seems to work but takes quite some 
time.

ATB,
Dave


On May 1, 2022, at 11:16 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Apologies for the late communication.

The forums are being updated from phpBB 3.0.9 to 3.3.7.

Differences so far:
1. The subsilver2 theme is no longer available.
2. Analytics are removed due to new ASF privacy policies. We can add back 
analytics that are compliant in the next weeks.
3. Search Display code is changed and I could not see how add 
({NEW_POST_COUNT}) into styles/prosilver/template/index_body.html
4. /style.php is no longer included.
5. /app.php is new.
6. /includes/ucp/ucp_register.php will need to be tested on the French forum.
7. /feed.php is reorganized and it was not clear how to add the customized 
rel=“alternate” to one of the links.

This doesn’t seem bad.
Language packs were found and AOO customizations are added.

I expect to finish late tonight - when ready there will be a test url.

Once the forums are put into maintenance the following will happen:

1. Make sure all the files and images that have been uploaded are copied.
2. Dumps of the mysql databases will be copied over.
3. Forum databases will be updated
4. Forum admins will have a chance to test.
5. Once live we’ll triage any issues.

Bidouille has access to the VM … any other forum admins who are already 
OpenOffice committers may request access.

A warning - this same VM hosts the wiki and the mysql databases.

I’ll be offline for a few hours before returning to this work and to answer any 
questions.

ATB,
Dave


On May 1, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:


Am 01.05.22 um 15:59 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Sun, 1 May 2022 15:53:47 +0200
Peter Kovacs  wrote:


Hello all,


please note, that we schedule a maintenance for the Forum in order to
move database and content to a new machine. This maintenance tasks
includes also a phpBB updates to a recent version, with all the Forum
Modification ported.

The downtime will take place from Monday, 2nd March 2022 1800 UTC until
the end of the same day.


All the best

Peter


Possible typo?  March in place of May?

Thanks Rory, It is May. My mistake.

Rory


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Re: WebDAV module ported from serf to curl; curl using openssl and zlib (was: Re: Openssl, serf and curl)

2022-04-27 Thread Marcus

Am 27.04.22 um 17:44 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Sounds great!


I also think that it's a great progress.

As none-developer I cannot really judge how good and valuable the 
changes are. But all in all I'm happy to see this refactored to have 
less problems.


Well done. :-)

Marcus




Am 26.04.22 um 19:56 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:57 PM Jim Jagielski <mailto:j...@jagunet.com>> wrote:


I'm gonna look into the serf->(lib)curl option... Since we don't
use any of the fancy features of serf, I'm thinking that the easy
option might be best



Hi

I've ported our WebDAV content provider module from Serf to Curl.

While it ended well, and several other bugs were found and fixed, it 
definitely wasn't the "easy option" Jim ;). Starting with conservative 
changes, it ended up needing total restructuring, and became more of a 
rewrite. The crashes were frequent and hung connections many, and I 
had to read up on the HTTP protocol, and read Curl and Serf's source 
code, but eventually I prevailed, and a clean elegant stable Curl 
WebDAV module emerged.


The huge patch is attached for anyone wishing to review and test. 
Unless there are major objections, I'll push it in a couple of days.


STATUS

It builds and works well on FreeBSD and Windows.

Most of the code was reused, and all the operations and semantics 
previously present with Serf, should have been preserved.


Browsing WebDAV files and directories, loading files, overwriting them 
("Save"), creating them ("Save As"), renaming and deleting them, all 
works.


HTTP and HTTPS proxies work. Unlike Serf, Curl could also support 
SOCKS proxies (with minimal further changes), but AOO lacks that 
setting in the proxy UI and configuration.


Authentication works, both to the destination server and to the proxy 
server. I've successfully tested Basic and Digest authentication. Curl 
supports every authentication method Serf does and more.


HTTPS works, with a custom certificate verification function, using 
our own certificate store from NSS and its API (like the Serf code 
used). A bug was discovered (which is in the Serf implementation too) 
where self-signed certificates were being unconditionally rejected; 
apparently NSS wants to see that a copy of that certificate  in its 
certificate chain parameter too. Now they work, and the user gets 
prompted to allow access.


HTTPS and authentication can be used together on the same connection 
and work well, both bringing up their UI dialogs as needed.


A bug was fixed where when username and password were both present in 
the URL (dav://user:pass@host/path), the code was trying to split them 
at the "@" instead of ":".


Unnecessary base64 encoding and decoding was removed, when importing 
the TLS connection's certificates into our XSecurityEnvironment. They 
now come in directly as ASN.1 DER, and still work.


The code was greatly restructured and cleaned up, as Curl's API is 
synchronous and blocking, with parameters set in advance instead of 
through many callbacks, which has allowed using short clear methods, 
and clean separation between the session and request classes. The 
WebDAV content provider has shrunk from 35 to 21 C++ files, 43 to 29 
header files, and 19129 to 15991 lines of code. With WebDAV methods 
centralized and refactored into only 10-20 lines of code each, instead 
of scattered across 4 files, it is much more understandable and 
maintainable now.


Curl is vastly more portable than Serf. We should build easily now 
even on OS/2. We can remain with existing build tools instead of 
needing scons or cmake just to build Serf.


3 now unused dependencies were removed: apr, apr-util, and serf. Serf 
isn't so bad. APR's pool idea is an ingenious way of doing resource 
management in C. However Curl has excellent documentation, guides, 
examples, and detailed explanations and even example code for each 
setting, while Serf has no documentation. Serf might be worth it in a 
project that already uses APR a lot, but we don't.


Instead of the historical, crippled forms of logging like OSL_TRACE(), 
which don't appear in release builds, I've made it use the newer 
com.sun.star.logging UNO component (wrapped in 
comphelper::EventLogger), which was inspired by java.util.logging, 
with configurable verbosity levels, handlers (file and console) and 
output formats (plain, csv), and importantly, which produces output in 
release builds too. I've also made it so that on LogLevel::FINEST, 
Curl's verbose mode is enabled and Curl's debug output is also logged 
through us, with descriptions of what Curl is doing, and logs of all 
HTTP traffic including headers and bodies, before encryption and after 
decryption in the case of HTTPS, giving us tremendous detail that can 
be used for troubleshooting problems.


CURL CHANGED TO USE OPENSSL AND ZLIB

Curl only supports the custom TLS certificate verification fun

Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.12-RC1 as GA

2022-04-21 Thread Marcus

Am 21.04.22 um 19:59 schrieb Pedro Lino:

FYI there are 6 binding votes
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.12#AOO4.1.12-VoteResolution


right, for voting we don't need more time as we have enough. We need at 
least 3 +1 votes but we have already 7 votes (6 of them are binding).


So, do you see any need or additional benefit for more testing (except 
that more in general is of course always good ;-) )?


No criticism, just asking.

Thanks

Marcus




On 04/21/2022 3:02 PM Jim Jagielski  wrote:

  
I'll keep this open for a few more days to allow for more testing and voting...



On Apr 21, 2022, at 1:36 AM, Don Lewis  wrote:

On 13 Apr, Jim Jagielski wrote:

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary community builds 
of
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.12-RC1 as GA.

These artifacts can be found at:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.12-RC1/

Please cast your vote:


The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:

[X] yes / +1

[ ] no / -1

My vote is based on

[ ] binding (member of PMC)

[X] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [FreeBSD]

[ ] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]

I tested the source tarball checksum.

Opening, editing, saving existing calc and writer docs works.


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Re: Bugzilla list_id parameter in URL question

2022-04-21 Thread Marcus

Am 21.04.22 um 23:43 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 4/21/22 4:15 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 21.04.22 um 14:57 schrieb Carl Marcum:
Does anyone know what the list_id parameter is for in the URL after a 
search?


[...]


I did a quick search with Google (bugzilla url list_id) and found this 
as first hit:


https://support-bugzilla.mozilla.narkive.com/jXnwYmle/purpose-of-list-id-url-parameter 


So it seems the list_id may be a saved result, meaning if something 
happens to an issue that would change the search result list it would 
not be updated when using the list_id in a URL.
You have to do a new search or not include the list_id in the URL to get 
the current results.

At least that is the way I'm understanding it.

Now my questions is:
When we provide a URL like this in a release blog post or announcement 
should we do a new search and use the list_id in the URL so we have a 
snapshot in time or

not include it so each user gets an up-to-date result?

For example, if an issue is changed from fixed to reopened, do we want 
that issue to appear in the list after that or not?


It might be easier on the database if we use the list_id at release time 
so everyone that follows the link isn't creating a new entry as long as 
we're okay with the snapshot in time list.


as we present a software release which is fix when published, so it 
cannot be changed afterwards, I would prefer to deliver a list of its 
issues which is also fixed. So, let's include (and just keep) the URL 
paramter.


My 2ct.

Marcus

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Re: Bugzilla list_id parameter in URL question

2022-04-21 Thread Marcus

Am 21.04.22 um 14:57 schrieb Carl Marcum:
Does anyone know what the list_id parameter is for in the URL after a 
search?


[...]


I did a quick search with Google (bugzilla url list_id) and found this 
as first hit:


https://support-bugzilla.mozilla.narkive.com/jXnwYmle/purpose-of-list-id-url-parameter

HTH

Marcus

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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.12-RC1 as GA

2022-04-18 Thread Marcus

Am 13.04.22 um 15:54 schrieb Jim Jagielski:


[X] yes / +1

[ ] no / -1

My vote is based on

[X] binding (member of PMC)

[ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]

[X] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


tested on:
- Windows 10 Home 64-bit 21H2 Build 19044.1415
- Installed AOO 4.1.12m1 (Build 9809 - Rev. 60e0a1c111)

- First with "en-US" full install
- Then "de" langpack
- Then "es" langpack
- Then switched the UI languages

Checksums:
- Tested checksums for all source tarballs
- Tested checksums for the install files en-US, de, es

Document tests:
- Existing, older DOC, XLS, PPT documents
- Existing, older DOCX, XLSX, PPTX documents
- Created a new docs for Writer, Calc, Impress and opened / edited the 
saved file with all languages


Everything without problems.

Marcus

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Re: 4.1.12-dev developer test builds...

2022-04-14 Thread Marcus

Am 09.04.22 um 19:59 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 07.04.22 um 21:53 schrieb Marcus:

Am 07.04.22 um 11:21 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 05.04.22 um 14:44 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Are we ready for a RC1?


So, basically only three person are interested in a new release... :-(

Still, we should just go ahead and build RC1.


count me in.


Great!

The Release Schedule is here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.12


I've added my name to the ususal items.

Marcus




On Mar 27, 2022, at 9:44 AM, Matthias Seidel
 wrote:

Hi Jim,

Am 25.03.22 um 13:24 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

... Are available at

    http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

Thanks!

I tested your builds on Ubuntu 16.04 (64bit) and macOS 12. Working as
expected.


Assuming these look good, we can progress to an RC1

Given that there was not so much response until now I would propose to
wait some more days...

That way people get the opportunity to test the builds and we also
could
integrate the latest English dictionary on Tuesday(?).

My latest build for Windows can be found here:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.12_Win_x86_install_en-US_Test.exe


Looking forward to more feedback!


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Re: 4.1.12-dev developer test builds...

2022-04-07 Thread Marcus

Am 07.04.22 um 11:21 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 05.04.22 um 14:44 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Are we ready for a RC1?


So, basically only three person are interested in a new release... :-(

Still, we should just go ahead and build RC1.


count me in.

Marcus




On Mar 27, 2022, at 9:44 AM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Hi Jim,

Am 25.03.22 um 13:24 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

... Are available at

   http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/

Thanks!

I tested your builds on Ubuntu 16.04 (64bit) and macOS 12. Working as
expected.


Assuming these look good, we can progress to an RC1

Given that there was not so much response until now I would propose to
wait some more days...

That way people get the opportunity to test the builds and we also could
integrate the latest English dictionary on Tuesday(?).

My latest build for Windows can be found here:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.12_Win_x86_install_en-US_Test.exe

Looking forward to more feedback!

Regards,

Matthias


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Re: AOO 4.1.12?

2022-03-17 Thread Marcus

Am 16.03.22 um 16:40 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Thanks! I volunteer to RM. Is that OK?


yes, absolutely. :-)

Thanks

Marcus




On Mar 15, 2022, at 6:43 PM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Just FYI, I created a Release Schedule for AOO 4.1.12:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.12

Feel free to update!


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Re: Is the enclosed still true for AOO 4.1.x Impress

2022-03-15 Thread Marcus

Am 09.03.22 um 22:45 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

The Chapter on Impress in the Getting Started Guide
contains the following note for using media files in Linix
based systems:

In Linux-based systems such as Ubuntu, media files do not
work straight out of the box. You need to download the
Java Media Framework API (JMF) and add the path to jmf.jar
to the Class Path in Tools > Options > OpenOffice > Java.

Is this still true for 4.1.x versions of AOO.


unfortunately, I've no experience with video or sound files in 
presentations on Linux.


Maybe other people can tell their experiences?

Thanks

Marcus

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Re: Is certificate from https:/translate.apache.org expired ?

2022-03-15 Thread Marcus

Am 15.03.22 um 17:01 schrieb Dick Groskamp:

Tried to log in on the Pootle server at https://translate.apache.org.
Firefox can't connect me, indicating that the certifcate for the server might 
be expired or my computerclock is off.

The latter is OK.

Could someone check ?


yes, Firefox tells me that the certificte is expired at Sun, 06 Mar 2022 
12:59:01 GMT.


It seems Infra has to renew it.

Marcus

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Re: Check for English spelling extension updates broken?

2022-03-10 Thread Marcus

Am 10.03.22 um 18:21 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 10.03.22 um 17:52 schrieb Pedro Lino:


Yes, it was updated on March 1st

Thanks to Andrea's clear instructions we now have one more trained "staff" to 
do this update ;)

I can confirm that it also works perfectly under Linux using the 4.1.12 Nightly 
builds


Good to hear!


Maybe this is a good enough motive to release 4.1.12 to all?


This and some other goodies.

I think we can plan the release at this point, so maybe we have
something ready in April?


the more important thing is what we want to have ready for 4.1.2.
But this is not a topic for this thread. ;-)

Marcus




On 03/10/2022 4:10 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
  
Hi Pedro, all,


Am 19.02.22 um 17:56 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Hi Andrea, all


On 02/13/2022 10:11 PM Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
I'm assuming lazy consensus on giving you permissions on the Extensions
site (not the site itself, actually, but the shell access). You should
post here your SourceForge username for you to be added.

Once we are ready with permissions we can then get into details of how
the feed works.

One week later, I assume no one opposes that I have permissions on the 
Extensions shell access?

Who can handle this so you can teach me further steps?

At least on Windows I now get an update notification for the English
dictionary.

So it seems to work again? Many thanks for that!

Looking at:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/17102/75/dict-en-20220301_aoo.oxt/stats/timeline

the download numbers increase now!

Note: With the next AOO release the update notifications should also
work for macOS/Linux again.

Regards,

    Matthias


Regards,
Pedro


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Re: [openoffice-org] branch main updated: Updated download numbers for February and March

2022-03-08 Thread Marcus

Am 08.03.22 um 19:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 08.03.22 um 19:15 schrieb mar...@apache.org:


2022-02-12,35366,325133641
2022-02-13,36749,325133641


There seems to be something wrong?

Also:


2022-02-06,38938,324873405
2022-02-07,48470,324922560


right, with a new commit it will be fixed.

Marcus

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Re: calc date search issue 60307 in AOO41X

2022-02-18 Thread Marcus

Am 18.02.22 um 00:15 schrieb Carl Marcum:

[...]

It looks like in 2015 Damjan provided one line fix and BVT test in 
AOO42X and trunk with git commit 2e4d2335e [2] but it never made it to 
the AOO41X branch.


I'm running a build of AOO41X with this fix included and if it's 
successful and the tests pass I'll submit a PR.


sure, it's great to see that this is the only difference between all 
branches. Please commit when you see that the fix is working.


Marcus

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Re: OOo spelling dictionaries site closed

2022-02-12 Thread Marcus

Am 11.02.22 um 02:34 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:

On Feb 11, 2022, at 9:36, Matthias Seidel  wrote:
Am 11.02.22 um 00:07 schrieb Marcus:

Am 10.02.22 um 23:08 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 10.02.22 um 23:06 schrieb Marcus:

Am 10.02.22 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Can we help here?


I think don't understand the problem:

All extensions can be accessed via the extension webpage. Is this not
an option? If not, what is expected?


Did you read the mail?!


OK, I'm trying a thought. I don't know which content and how it was on
the webpage that is now gone. So, maybe it's rubish.

- Download all extensions
- Extract the pure dictionary files
- Put them on a new webpage
- Exchange the old URL to this new one in OmegaT

Can this work?

BTW:
When I look at the SSL certificate for
"https://download.services.openoffice.org/; (yes, with HTTPS) I've the
feeling that the page was not under our control.


You are right! This site was probably never under our control!

The invalid certificate refers to some domains (e.g.
https://www.ammec.de). Does anyone know "Marco Skambraks"?

@Jean-Christophe:
It looks like OmegaT points to a download page that was not from the
OpenOffice project.
In what format does OmegaT expect the dictionaries? I installed the
Windows version and it does not seem to accept OXT, which is the only
format we offer.

Regards,

Matthias


Thank you both so much for looking into this.

I'm putting Aaron Madlon-Kay, who is the OmegaT project coordinator in Cc.

The process was transparent to the user so it's hard to see what was 
hosted/expected from the site, but from reading the OmegaT code it looks like 
the site hosted a number of zipped .aff + .dic pairs for each language.

https://sourceforge.net/p/omegat/code/ci/master/tree/src/org/omegat/core/spellchecker/DictionaryManager.java

OmegaT displayed the language code, the user selected a language and OmegaT 
downloaded the zip, unzipped it in a dedicated folder and that was it.

Marco Skambraks seems to have been working on accessibility in Linux.
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/accessibility/charter_v1.0
https://www.knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html
https://www.suse.com/c/the-brains-behind-the-books-part-ix-meike-chabowski/

He seems to be heading this company
http://www.ammec.de/

So I guess the belief that we were using an OOo repository was wrong and I'm 
sorry I bothered you.

LibreOffice seems to have a github repository with the unzipped files at
https://github.com/LibreOffice/dictionaries

Either way, we'll have to implement a new solution.

Thank you again for all the work you do on OOo.


don't worry, it's nice to see that we could help to see the problem 
behind the problem. :-)


Good luck that you don't have to change much for the solution.

Marcus




Am 06.02.22 um 08:41 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:

Matthias, Dave,

Thank you very much for looking into this.

If you have an equivalent repository that’s open for external
access, OmegaT will need to update its spelling dictionary
installation process and inform current users that the URI currently
used needs to be changed (not that people change of dictionaries
that often, but just in case.)

Regards,

Jean-Christophe


On Feb 6, 2022, at 1:05, Matthias Seidel
 wrote:

Hi Jean-Christophe,

Thanks for asking here! It is a much better place than Twitter...
;-)

I am wondering if there was a redirection dumped when we switched
the
build system for the homepage?

http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/contrib/dictionaries/
seems to be long gone...

@Dave: Do you have more insight?

Regards,

  Matthias

Am 05.02.22 um 05:03 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:

Hello Devs,

First, thank you for your hard work on OOo. I used to help with
localization when OOo was still managed by Sun.

I am (still) currently helping with OmegaT, the free
‘computer-aided-translation’ tool and we use OOo’s spelling
dictionaries for the spell-checking functionality.

The site that’s hard linked in the code is:
http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/contrib/dictionaries/

But it seems to be definitely down, even though I seem to remember
that it was working a few weeks ago.

OmegaT needs the dictionary files and won’t be able to work with
the OOo extensions.

I understand that such direct access could cause undue load on
your servers, and that’s maybe the reason why you took it
off-line, but if that’s not the case we would love to be able to
keep using your repository, if you still have one. In which case,
would you mind letting us know what would be the equivalent URL?

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Re: OOo spelling dictionaries site closed

2022-02-10 Thread Marcus

Am 10.02.22 um 23:08 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 10.02.22 um 23:06 schrieb Marcus:

Am 10.02.22 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Can we help here?


I think don't understand the problem:

All extensions can be accessed via the extension webpage. Is this not
an option? If not, what is expected?


Did you read the mail?!


OK, I'm trying a thought. I don't know which content and how it was on 
the webpage that is now gone. So, maybe it's rubish.


- Download all extensions
- Extract the pure dictionary files
- Put them on a new webpage
- Exchange the old URL to this new one in OmegaT

Can this work?

BTW:
When I look at the SSL certificate for 
"https://download.services.openoffice.org/; (yes, with HTTPS) I've the 
feeling that the page was not under our control.


Marcus




Am 06.02.22 um 08:41 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:

Matthias, Dave,

Thank you very much for looking into this.

If you have an equivalent repository that’s open for external
access, OmegaT will need to update its spelling dictionary
installation process and inform current users that the URI currently
used needs to be changed (not that people change of dictionaries
that often, but just in case.)

Regards,

Jean-Christophe


On Feb 6, 2022, at 1:05, Matthias Seidel
 wrote:

Hi Jean-Christophe,

Thanks for asking here! It is a much better place than Twitter... ;-)

I am wondering if there was a redirection dumped when we switched the
build system for the homepage?

http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/contrib/dictionaries/
seems to be long gone...

@Dave: Do you have more insight?

Regards,

     Matthias

Am 05.02.22 um 05:03 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:

Hello Devs,

First, thank you for your hard work on OOo. I used to help with
localization when OOo was still managed by Sun.

I am (still) currently helping with OmegaT, the free
‘computer-aided-translation’ tool and we use OOo’s spelling
dictionaries for the spell-checking functionality.

The site that’s hard linked in the code is:
http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/contrib/dictionaries/

But it seems to be definitely down, even though I seem to remember
that it was working a few weeks ago.

OmegaT needs the dictionary files and won’t be able to work with
the OOo extensions.

I understand that such direct access could cause undue load on
your servers, and that’s maybe the reason why you took it
off-line, but if that’s not the case we would love to be able to
keep using your repository, if you still have one. In which case,
would you mind letting us know what would be the equivalent URL?

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Re: OOo spelling dictionaries site closed

2022-02-10 Thread Marcus

Am 10.02.22 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Can we help here?


I think don't understand the problem:

All extensions can be accessed via the extension webpage. Is this not an 
option? If not, what is expected?


Marcus




Am 06.02.22 um 08:41 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:

Matthias, Dave,

Thank you very much for looking into this.

If you have an equivalent repository that’s open for external access, OmegaT 
will need to update its spelling dictionary installation process and inform 
current users that the URI currently used needs to be changed (not that people 
change of dictionaries that often, but just in case.)

Regards,

Jean-Christophe


On Feb 6, 2022, at 1:05, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Hi Jean-Christophe,

Thanks for asking here! It is a much better place than Twitter... ;-)

I am wondering if there was a redirection dumped when we switched the
build system for the homepage?

http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/contrib/dictionaries/
seems to be long gone...

@Dave: Do you have more insight?

Regards,

Matthias

Am 05.02.22 um 05:03 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary:

Hello Devs,

First, thank you for your hard work on OOo. I used to help with localization 
when OOo was still managed by Sun.

I am (still) currently helping with OmegaT, the free 
‘computer-aided-translation’ tool and we use OOo’s spelling dictionaries for 
the spell-checking functionality.

The site that’s hard linked in the code is:
http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/contrib/dictionaries/

But it seems to be definitely down, even though I seem to remember that it was 
working a few weeks ago.

OmegaT needs the dictionary files and won’t be able to work with the OOo 
extensions.

I understand that such direct access could cause undue load on your servers, 
and that’s maybe the reason why you took it off-line, but if that’s not the 
case we would love to be able to keep using your repository, if you still have 
one. In which case, would you mind letting us know what would be the equivalent 
URL?

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Re: Openssl, serf and curl... and NSS

2022-02-10 Thread Marcus

Am 10.02.22 um 20:12 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

Hello Carl,

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:32:57AM -0500, Carl Marcum wrote:


Hi Arrigo,

On 2/10/22 11:00 AM, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

Hello Matthias,

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 03:42:16PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:


Hi Arrigo,

Am 10.02.22 um 15:21 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

Dear Jim, Matthias, All,

On Wed, Feb 09, 2022 at 12:12:09PM -0500, Jim Jagielski wrote:


That's right... I'll wait to even try compiling until things settle
down and we have some slowly moving target I can compile and build
against.


On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:06 AM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Hi Arrigo,

No need to apologize. ;-)

But I think, before we begin to think about upgrading serf we need to
make sure that AOO41X is able to build successfully on all platforms.

Windows and Linux are OK, I think. macOS is still pending?

AOO41X now builds under Catalina, with a single edit to the official
build script: AOO_JAVA_VERSION=1.8

So you build with Java 8?

The official build script contains the setting:
AOO_JAVA_VERSION=1.7

On our Mac mini, the script fails because Java 1.7 is not installed,
and it does not seem to be available on-line for download.


What is the architecture of the Mac Mini?


% uname -a
Darwin administrators-Mac-mini.local 19.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 19.6.0: Sun 
Nov 14 19:58:51 PST 2021; root:xnu-6153.141.50~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64


Asul has x86-64 JDK's available for Java 7 but that's all.

https://www.azul.com/downloads/?version=java-7-lts=macos=jdk


I will try that!

Please allow me to state I had no intention to ``subvert'' current
versions of Java or whatever. For what I understand, Catalina and the
XCode versions installed in our Mac mini do not match the reference
macOS version and tools for our AOO41X builds, and this is absolutely
fine for me, as long as there is someone else who has a system with
the ``official'' architecture and is able to use it.

I am just trying to have a (whatever version of) macOS building AOO,
so that when I commit something, I can test on that architecture as
well. And possibly lower the barriers to entry for others.

So if any of my edits break the builds on ``official machines'',
please let us just revert them.

The Java version change was not even committed anywhere. ;-)

Thank you for reading through my disclaimer. ;-)


Don't worry. I don't see a problem for now. Great that you experiment 
with a different setup to see how it works then.


For the AOO41X release branch we really should try as best and long as 
possible to keep the setup the same like the past releases to give a 
(kind of) guarantee that a new release would run also in the same PC 
environment.


So, the next step is to see if the build is also successful with Java 7. 
But as I see this already in progress . :-)


All fine

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Re: RV: Aranese Spell Checking in libreoffice

2022-02-10 Thread Marcus

Am 10.02.22 um 21:20 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Anyone else?!

This issue is almost 7 years old now...


unfortunately, I'm not a core developer and I don't know anything about 
how to integrate new languages for spell checking.


Marcus




Am 08.02.22 um 19:09 schrieb Peter Kovacs:


On 07.02.22 21:17, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone who can help here?

Currently no clue. sorry.


Regards,

     Matthias

Am 30.01.22 um 12:01 schrieb Javier T:

Hi Matthias

I have been looking at the LibreOffice code and the Aranese language
is partially defined.

Is already defined

FILE ./svtools/inc/langtab.hrc
  { NC_("STR_ARR_SVT_LANGUAGE_TABLE", "Aranese") ,
LANGUAGE_USER_OCCITAN_ARANESE },

FILE ./include/i18nlangtag
#define LANGUAGE_USER_OCCITAN_ARANESE   LanguageType(0x8082)

Remains to be defined

FILE ./i18nlangtag/source/isolang
  { LANGUAGE_USER_OCCITAN_ARANESE,    "oc", "ES", k0    },

FILE ./i18npool/Library_localedata_es.mk
CustomTarget/i18npool/localedata/localedata_oc_ES \

FILE ./i18npool/source/localedata/localedata.cxx
  { "oc_ES",  lcl_DATA_ES },

add the file
/i18npool/source/localedata/data/oc_ES.xml



https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147053



De: Matthias Seidel
Enviado: Jueves, 27 de Enero de 2022 23:56
Para: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Asunto: Re: RV: Aranese Spell Checking in libreoffice


Hi Javier,


My impression is that LO did somehow enable Aranese for spellchecking.


They never added your localedata (oc_ES.xml), at least I can't find
it in their code.


I am not sure what to think of that, maybe others here have an opinion?


Regards,


     Matthias



Am 23.01.22 um 21:44 schrieb Javier T:
Hi Matthias

I have found the mail that I sent them with the modified file that
they indicated to me.

If I remember correctly this was added by the version of libreoffice
5.1

When you open a new document in libreoffice if you select the text,
it lets you define the language of the text or paragraph and
"Aranese" appears there.
When you want to define a language for the document it does not
appear or I know why.
Attached capture and the mail that I tell you.

Thank you.


[cid:part1.65E0CAD6.8A86E85D@hamburg.de]



De: Javier <mailto:javierd...@hotmail.com>
Enviado: miércoles, 13 de mayo de 2015 22:12
Para: jonathon <mailto:toki.kant...@gmail.com>
Asunto: RE: Aranese Spell Checking

Occitan is composed by these diferent variants.

  Alvernès

  Bearnès

  Creixent

  Gascó

  Judeoprovençal

  Llenguadocià

  Montpellerenc (subdialecte)

  Niçard

  Occità llemosí

  Provençal

  Vivaroalpí


Aranese is a Gascon dialect spoken in Aran Valley (Spain)

I think that ISO 639 is a realy bad system to define languages an
their dialects.

Nowadays exists 2 spell checkers for libreoffice

oc_FR -  I think that is Llenguadocian (but I'm not sure)
gsc_FR - A gascon dialect spell checker.

The correct definition maybe can be
FR_oci_leng
FR_oci_gsc

But this isn't a ISO 639 code. Really I don't have a good solution
for that and I'm not sure what are the diferences between the
diferent dialects.

If you defines a code OCI_fr you need to update the oc_FR spell
checker.

In my case I prefer use oc_ES to standarize with the old
aplications. But I'm not sure what is the best choice to define it
in libreoffice.

You can decide at your own criterion, oc_ES or oci_ES. Really is not
a problem for me, because Aran Valley is the only region in Spain
where people speaks occitan. I need just a code.

I send you the locale file.

Thanks



From: toki.kant...@gmail.com<mailto:toki.kant...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:00:18 +
To: javierd...@hotmail.com<mailto:javierd...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Aranese Spell Checking

Javier:

I saw your request for support of Aranese in Apache OpenOffice.

I don't how difference Aranese is from Gascon, nor how different
either
of those are from Occitan.

The primary issue is ISO 639-3 Code OCI, which is for Occitan, and the
various dialects. A spell checker for Aranese will conflict with a
spell
checker for Occitan.
(I am saying that, based on working with spell checkers for various
languages of Southern Africa.)

LibreOffice currently supports Occitan as a language/local.

My suggestion is creating OCI_fr, OCI_ad, OCI_es, and maybe OCI_it as
locales. Get together with users of other dialects/languages that are
classified under OCI, and work up something that is acceptable to
everybody, but still allows them to use the grammar and spell
checkers.

Go to http://www.it46.se/localegen/select_lang.php to create the
locales.
Then either go to https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi and
file a bug requesting creation of the respective locales, or email the
xml, and I'll do that.

The _only_ reason I'm not creat

Re: AOO available in the Microsoft Store app (background information)

2022-01-16 Thread Marcus

Am 15.01.22 um 15:05 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Since there were no public information from me until this "project" was
successfully launched on the last minute in parallel with Windows 11, I
want to give some details (now that I have time):

Microsoft introduced the possibility to publish "classic" Windows
programs via their Microsoft Store app. This was a new feature for
Windows 11 and is now also available for some time on Windows 10.
So what you download and install via Microsoft Store app is an
unmodified binary, identical to what we distribute via SourceForge.

The only requirement from Microsoft were to install AOO totally
"silent". This needed some parameters [1] and a minor change in the
installation of the MSVC runtimes [2].

Downloads point to the Apache Download server [3] because we had issues
with the SourceForge mirrors.

After all, this was technically no big problem but required some
"struggle" with the Microsoft Developer Network.
My thanks go to Santhosh Panchapagesam from Microsoft and to Ross
Gardler (ASF) who made the initial contact.

[1]
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/Microsoft%20Store/Parameters.txt
[2]
https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commit/908cc4a92408d9aa3bc9d002845a580a2175543f
[3] https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/binaries/


thanks for the background information. Let's see if we can see or feel 
one day the increased downloads.


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Re: Happy new year!

2022-01-16 Thread Marcus

Am 15.01.22 um 00:45 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:04:40 +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:


I almost forgot to wish everyone here a happy new year 2022!


Happy New Year to all.


happy new year also to you. :-)


What is your new years resolution? Mine is still 1366x768! ;-)


Mine is to return to a more active status with the project and again start
moving the User Guides along.


Do you have the plan to public them a browsable webpages or PDF files?

Marcus


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Re: Project Planning page on cwiki

2022-01-07 Thread Marcus

Am 07.01.22 um 12:32 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

On Wed, Jan 05, 2022 at 07:03:47PM +0100, Marcus wrote:

Am 05.01.22 um 10:09 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

On Sat, Nov 06, 2021 at 11:57:14AM +0100, Marcus wrote:

Am 24.10.21 um 16:27 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

On 24.10.21 16:13, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

this may have been raised many other times... but why do we keep
publishing release notes under the "Project Planning" cwiki page [1]
when that page starts with a big warning that is only for the
incubation phase? :-)

I think there are a lot of old an new stuff intermixed. We have left the
existing stuff as is and added the new stuff.

My humble suggestion, given the fact that the section contains updated
information, is to create a subpage "Incubation" and then move under
it all subpages related to the incubation period.

I am available to do this work, if no one else has either better ideas
or good reasons not to do so.


Sounds like an improvement. I have no objection. :)


[1]:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Planning


indeed. In the meantime outdated and it could be improved.

As a first step I've deleted the warning.

When you have some concret points that should be improved just tell here or
start in Confluence and we can talk about it.


I suggest we create an "Incubation" subpage of "Project planning" and
move ("reparent"?) into there:


sounds good. We should add a short explaintion text, so tht everyone knows
what can be expected on this and all subpages.


   - Site-PPMC-Plan
   - Site-QA-Plan
   - Site-Dev-Plan
   - IP_Clearance
   - Assigned issues to former Oracle employee
   - ...all other pages explicitly referring to the OpenOffice.org migration

I understand these are somewhat major changes so I want to make sure
no one has objections before starting to implement them.


Thanks for asking. If you need help in or with Confluence please don't
hesitate to ask.


Thank you. I am done now.

The "older" pages are now under
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Incubation


oh, that was fast.

I've add a sentence that the Incubation phase is already finished.

Marcus


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Re: Project Planning page on cwiki

2022-01-05 Thread Marcus

Am 05.01.22 um 10:09 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

On Sat, Nov 06, 2021 at 11:57:14AM +0100, Marcus wrote:


Am 24.10.21 um 16:27 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

On 24.10.21 16:13, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

this may have been raised many other times... but why do we keep
publishing release notes under the "Project Planning" cwiki page [1]
when that page starts with a big warning that is only for the
incubation phase? :-)

I think there are a lot of old an new stuff intermixed. We have left the
existing stuff as is and added the new stuff.

My humble suggestion, given the fact that the section contains updated
information, is to create a subpage "Incubation" and then move under
it all subpages related to the incubation period.

I am available to do this work, if no one else has either better ideas
or good reasons not to do so.


Sounds like an improvement. I have no objection. :)


[1]:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Planning


indeed. In the meantime outdated and it could be improved.

As a first step I've deleted the warning.

When you have some concret points that should be improved just tell here or
start in Confluence and we can talk about it.


I suggest we create an "Incubation" subpage of "Project planning" and
move ("reparent"?) into there:


sounds good. We should add a short explaintion text, so tht everyone 
knows what can be expected on this and all subpages.



  - Site-PPMC-Plan
  - Site-QA-Plan
  - Site-Dev-Plan
  - IP_Clearance
  - Assigned issues to former Oracle employee
  - ...all other pages explicitly referring to the OpenOffice.org migration

I understand these are somewhat major changes so I want to make sure
no one has objections before starting to implement them.


Thanks for asking. If you need help in or with Confluence please don't 
hesitate to ask.


Marcus


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Re: Marketing > Referenzkunden

2022-01-04 Thread Marcus

Hi Martin,

happy new year. :-)

Thanks for your mail. I've add an entry for you / your company. Please 
check on the test webpage if all is correct or something has to / should 
be changed:


https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/de/marketing/referenzkunden.html

Thanks

Marcus



Am 03.01.22 um 15:06 schrieb Martin Bauer:

If you like, you can add our statement to the list
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/de/marketing/referenzkunden.html

Als Content Marketing Agentur nutzen wir OpenOffice für die Erstellung
sämtlicher Texte. Danke für die super Funktionalitäten!
www.coco-content-marketing.de



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Re: Happy new year!

2022-01-04 Thread Marcus

Am 04.01.22 um 17:04 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I almost forgot to wish everyone here a happy new year 2022!


I also wish all of us a happy, healthy and peaceful new year.


What is your new years resolution? Mine is still 1366x768! ;-)


Both monitor are still running with 1920 x 1080. Not really new. ;-)

Marcus


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Re: Translate certificate expired

2021-12-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.12.21 um 08:21 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 09:00:27PM +0100, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 05:33:51PM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:


I don't have the time to do it.

Anyone else?


https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-22581


I was told I should contact sysad...@openoffice.apache.org.
It is in Cc to this message. Who reads that mailbox?


only project internal people. So IMHO it doesn't make sense. ;-)

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Re: Translate certificate expired

2021-12-02 Thread Marcus

Am 02.12.21 um 13:34 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Our certificate on:

https://translate.apache.org/projects/

expired on 28. November 2021.


can we do something to renew it?
I don't think so, maybe a task for the Infra team?

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Re: Apache OpenOffice available in the Microsoft Store on Windows 10

2021-11-22 Thread Marcus

Am 22.11.21 um 17:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 19.11.21 um 00:53 schrieb Marcus:

Am 18.11.21 um 21:51 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Apache OpenOffice has already been available in the new Microsoft
Store on Windows 11 since October.
With the latest App update, the new store is also coming to Windows 10.

Users can now install the latest OpenOffice version with a single click!

The Store Listings are localized in English, German, Italian, Polish
and Portuguese.
Feel free to contact me if you want to add more languages or if you
have any questions.


great news. :-)

Then the new version was worth it to release at this point of time -
to be ready for the Win 10 store.


Yes, I have now tested the store on every Windows PC I got my hands on.
Absolutely no problems so far...

The next task will be to get rid of all these unofficial OpenOffice
offers. ;-)

Do we want to make an announcement?


I would say let's involve someone who has hopefully more knowledge about 
such kind of things. Michael, do you have time to speak about it?


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Re: Apache OpenOffice available in the Microsoft Store on Windows 10

2021-11-18 Thread Marcus

Am 18.11.21 um 21:51 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
Apache OpenOffice has already been available in the new Microsoft Store 
on Windows 11 since October.

With the latest App update, the new store is also coming to Windows 10.

Users can now install the latest OpenOffice version with a single click!

The Store Listings are localized in English, German, Italian, Polish and 
Portuguese.
Feel free to contact me if you want to add more languages or if you have 
any questions.


great news. :-)

Then the new version was worth it to release at this point of time - to 
be ready for the Win 10 store.


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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-10 Thread Marcus

Am 10.11.21 um 11:36 schrieb Dave Barton:

On 09/11/2021 23:48, Marcus wrote:

However, I'm curious to know what you mean with "... why moderators
should hold any more of an exclusive or covert role within the ASF ..."
and why you think there is something secret?


The answer to that "baited" question is: Everybody with any kind of role
within the ASF can be identified, EXCEPT MODERATORS,
Unidentified = Hidden = Secret.


a last attempt:

https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/openoffice#mail

After login you can see all mailing lists with their moderators.

Marcus




On 10/11/2021 04:25, Dave Fisher wrote

That’s ok as long as it is made clear NOT to ever contact moderator
directly about the mailing list>>>
I hope you see the conundrum being presented.


The inbox of all moderators receive posts to owner-, which
effectively is direct contact, but if it is a matter of concern, let's
leave the status quo.

I really would like to end my involvement in this thread now.



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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-10 Thread Marcus

Am 10.11.21 um 05:25 schrieb Dave Fisher:

On Nov 9, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Marcus  wrote:
Am 07.11.21 um 21:18 schrieb Dave:

On 07/11/2021 19:42, Dave Fisher wrote:

Sorry to put it this way Dave, but this is the same answer that I have
had received from you and other PMC members previously.

If your statement is true, then we and the ASF have a very serious and
extreme privacy challenge here:
https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice

In my view anyone who "steps up to he plate" for ANY role in an OPEN
source project should not have any concerns about being identified a
contributor and their role that project. I am not ashamed of being
identified as a (very small, relatively unimportant) contributor to the
AOO project and I suggest that ANYONE who is wishes to adopt this
underhanded, secretive approach, should step away from the project.

I agree about every role except moderation. I moderate 27 different Apache 
Mailing Lists only one of which is an AOO list.

If the community wishes to disclose all of the moderators that would be an 
acceptable outcome.

I read your words, which are the same as you and other PMC members have
previously stated, but I still do not read any explanation as to the
rational of why moderators should hold any more of an exclusive or
covert role within the ASF.
Let's just put this down to my natural stupidity and end this thread,
because there is nothing to be gained by perusing the subject.


normally I would agree. However, I'm curious to know what you mean with "... why 
moderators should hold any more of an exclusive or covert role within the ASF ..." 
and why you think there is something secret?

A moderator is just a committer as you and me. Some are also a PMC member or 
maybe also supporter/committer/member of other ASF projects. But thats it.

I volunteer to create a Wiki page to show who is moderating which mailing 
list(s) - if the community think it has a value.


That’s ok as long as it is made clear NOT to ever contact moderators directly 
about the mailing list.


sure, that and ...


I hope you see the conundrum being presented.


... I won't add any mail address. Names only.

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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-09 Thread Marcus

Am 07.11.21 um 21:18 schrieb Dave:

On 07/11/2021 19:42, Dave Fisher wrote:

Sorry to put it this way Dave, but this is the same answer that I have
had received from you and other PMC members previously.

If your statement is true, then we and the ASF have a very serious and
extreme privacy challenge here:
https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice

In my view anyone who "steps up to he plate" for ANY role in an OPEN
source project should not have any concerns about being identified a
contributor and their role that project. I am not ashamed of being
identified as a (very small, relatively unimportant) contributor to the
AOO project and I suggest that ANYONE who is wishes to adopt this
underhanded, secretive approach, should step away from the project.

I agree about every role except moderation. I moderate 27 different Apache 
Mailing Lists only one of which is an AOO list.

If the community wishes to disclose all of the moderators that would be an 
acceptable outcome.


I read your words, which are the same as you and other PMC members have
previously stated, but I still do not read any explanation as to the
rational of why moderators should hold any more of an exclusive or
covert role within the ASF.

Let's just put this down to my natural stupidity and end this thread,
because there is nothing to be gained by perusing the subject.


normally I would agree. However, I'm curious to know what you mean with 
"... why moderators should hold any more of an exclusive or covert role 
within the ASF ..." and why you think there is something secret?


A moderator is just a committer as you and me. Some are also a PMC 
member or maybe also supporter/committer/member of other ASF projects. 
But thats it.


I volunteer to create a Wiki page to show who is moderating which 
mailing list(s) - if the community think it has a value.


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Re: Openssl, serf and curl

2021-11-09 Thread Marcus

Am 09.11.21 um 22:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 09.11.21 um 21:50 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

I've recently folded in openssl-1.1 to trunk and all branches, but this gets us 
in a corner.

To support this version of openssl, we need to upgrade Serf. This means that we 
need to also update apr and apr-util as well as include a requirement that the 
build server also as SCons installed. This could be problematic, esp for those 
older, legacy systems that we want to continue to support.

One alternative is to simply drop Serf completely; we already require curl, and 
we could start using curl for the WebDav functionality instead of it being the 
(sole, afaict) reason for Serf.


+1 simply for reducing the dependencies on those various libraries. If
it can be done with curl we should try it.


yes, please try it.

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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-09 Thread Marcus

Am 09.11.21 um 13:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I am SO sick of these toxic threads of a certain person...

I don't want to read his conspiracy theories anymore


I also think I can say what I want. It's always understood differently 
and not trying to think about any attempt to change it.



Let's stop this and go back to  work and move on with the project
instead of harming it.


Good point. :-)

Marcus




Am 09.11.21 um 10:58 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:

Hello,

Am 08.11.21 um 20:13 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:


I'm afraid, Marcus, we have a problem of understanding what "all"
means. For me, this is the community and not a few privileged people
who are in PMC.


Maybe some may see it as a privilege. I see it as a (little) burden I
bear voluntarily.

The PMC is not any kind of peerage or order. It's a necessary working
group.



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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-09 Thread Marcus

Am 08.11.21 um 20:13 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

Hello Marcus,


-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2021 5:57 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

Am 08.11.21 um 07:33 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:



-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2021 7:48 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?



when you want to talk about this with names then I invite you
to discuss
this via private@.


with pleasure, but not on private@, but by PM.


sorry but please write to private@, so that we *all* can have
the same
information and can discuss it.


I'm afraid, Marcus, we have a problem of understanding what "all" means. For 
me, this is the community and not a few privileged people who are in PMC.


I don't know in which circle you see a PMC. It's not a club of old men 
or a secret organization like Illuminati or any other voodoo. Please see 
the mail from Dave Fisher he posted on Nov, 07th.



Why I no longer want to write to private@, namely because my experiences with 
requests to private@ are negative, I told you by PM.

For me, the greatest possible openness has always been a 'trademark' of the 
ASF, but with AOO I experience that the PMC tries to build up more insider 
knowledge than is necessary. Knowledge that should actually be known and 
discussed within the entire community.


Sorry I don't know what you mean with "inside knowledge". Some tasks 
have to be handled by the PMC only (e.g., people issues, binding release 
voting, trademark) . This is the rule that comes from the ASF itself.



So please excuse me, but I am not interested in secret talks with the PMC.


And I've no interest to talk to you in private about topic(s) that 
affects actually more people.


Or what do you expect from me? We both talk and I take it further to 
someone else, then further and further? I hope that this is not the 
thing you have in mind.


Finally:
When you have a topic to discuss that affects the PMC, then you have to 
talk with the PMC.


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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-08 Thread Marcus

Am 08.11.21 um 07:33 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:



-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2021 7:48 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?



when you want to talk about this with names then I invite you
to discuss
this via private@.


with pleasure, but not on private@, but by PM.


sorry but please write to private@, so that we *all* can have the same 
information and can discuss it.


PS:
I'm writing this here, so that you know why I don't answer your PM.

Thanks

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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-07 Thread Marcus

Am 07.11.21 um 13:38 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2021 12:22 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?



I wonder who you want to delete from the list *).

It is the normal way that over the time a person earns merit and
therefor gets the committer - and maybe also PMC - status when the
contributions are good and qualifies for it.


Why do we not see this way, but have to realise that some people work actively 
for OpenOffice for many, many years and are denied membership in the PMC, while 
other new project members are promoted to the PMC within a few months?


when you want to talk about this with names then I invite you to discuss 
this via private@.


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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-07 Thread Marcus

Am 06.11.21 um 22:34 schrieb Dave:

On 06/11/2021 19:26, Dave Fisher wrote:

On Nov 6, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Dave  wrote:
On 06/11/2021 10:30, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list
users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam
emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action
was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list
that I had specifically pointed out.

Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try
to write to another moderator and ask for help.

[1]
see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"


I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But
maybe it's a bit outdated.


I have been a moderator for some of our English lists since the
project's poddling days. Unfortunately, my knowledge of German is not
very good, so I would not be of much help for the German users list.

I have asked before why the PMC does not wish moderators to be
identified, but never received any rational answer.


Providing a clear identification of moderators would be a privacy challenge.

The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to 
users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org


As a separate issue, the above mentioned link is seriously in need of
review and update, because many of the people mentioned are no longer
active in, or have resigned from the positions listed.


I wonder who you want to delete from the list *).

It is the normal way that over the time a person earns merit and 
therefor gets the committer - and maybe also PMC - status when the 
contributions are good and qualifies for it.


However, merit lies with the individual and does not expire. It's not 
normal to remove this status just because of inactivity [1].



Also one person listed regrettably passed away last month.


OK, here you are right. However, this page is not under our control and 
has to be updated by the ASF.


[1] https://infra.apache.org/committers.html
see "Is there a set term for acting as a Committer? Will I have to be 
elected again?"


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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.11.21 um 21:11 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:

Am 06.11.21 um 20:26 schrieb Dave Fisher:

The mechanism to contact moderators is to send an email to 
users-de-own...@openoffice.apache.org


I've gotten one from Marcus, but it was really empty.


I've just tried to find out who the moderators of the list are. It was 
not working as I thought. ;-) Then I found the info via Whimsy.


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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.11.21 um 12:36 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:

I'm one of the moderators of users-de. IMO I'm not the only one.

I have gotten some of the spam postings in the past and rejected them.

But it seems so, I got not all.

There should be a ban for some email addresses, but I'm busy at the 
moment. Because it's not trivial it would take some time. There was no 
need for a ban in past. So it would be the first time for me to do such 
a job.


I've tried to unsubscribe the mail address. But maybe it was not 
successful as I'm not a moderator for that list.


BTW:
It's the default contact address from a German bank. IMHO it is obvious 
that this is not really used for sending / getting mails about OpenOffice.


Marcus




Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list 
users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam 
emails would be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action 
was taken, because there is spam again from the sender on the list 
that I had specifically pointed out.


Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try 
to write to another moderator and ask for help.


[1]
see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?



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Re: Project Planning page on cwiki

2021-11-06 Thread Marcus

Am 24.10.21 um 16:27 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

On 24.10.21 16:13, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

this may have been raised many other times... but why do we keep
publishing release notes under the "Project Planning" cwiki page [1]
when that page starts with a big warning that is only for the
incubation phase? :-)
I think there are a lot of old an new stuff intermixed. We have left the 
existing stuff as is and added the new stuff.

My humble suggestion, given the fact that the section contains updated
information, is to create a subpage "Incubation" and then move under
it all subpages related to the incubation period.

I am available to do this work, if no one else has either better ideas
or good reasons not to do so.


Sounds like an improvement. I have no objection. :)

[1]: 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Planning


indeed. In the meantime outdated and it could be improved.

As a first step I've deleted the warning.

When you have some concret points that should be improved just tell here 
or start in Confluence and we can talk about it.


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Re: Who moderates users...@openoffice.apache.org?

2021-11-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.11.21 um 10:16 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

following Dave's advice {1], I contacted one moderator of the list 
users...@openoffice.apache.org I know and was promised that spam emails would 
be rejected in future - unfortunately, however, no action was taken, because 
there is spam again from the sender on the list that I had specifically pointed 
out.

Can someone please tell me who moderates this list? I would then try to write 
to another moderator and ask for help.

[1]
see the thread "How to delete a wrong email list subscription?"


I can see that Michael and Dave could be moderators of the list. But 
maybe it's a bit outdated.


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Re: Registration on Bugzilla

2021-10-29 Thread Marcus

Am 29.10.21 um 15:10 schrieb Bidouille:

- Mail original -

but it's not your mail address I would send the respone to. I'm
confused.

Just to have a response sample to illustrate the tutorial.


A delay that a human simply needs. He is doing the works when he is
doing it. ;-)

Again, it's just to give a correct information in the tutorial
Some end users are rushed ;-)


ah OK, but then it would be better to just ask what the process looks 
like and what will happen for the user.


Here is the process:

When a request is coming to sysadmin@ we check for which tool the 
request is (the mail address is also used for others) and which name and 
mail address. If this not clear we ask and wait for the answer.


So, when users wish to have an acount for BZ, they should write:
- that it is for Bugzilla
- which mail address should be used as login name
- and their real name

When we have the information, we create a new BZ account and give a 
response on sysadmin@, so all admins knows.


The account details incl. the password will be send to the user only. 
And with the request to change it with first login.


That's it. I hope this helps. :-)

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Re: Registration on Bugzilla

2021-10-29 Thread Marcus

Am 29.10.21 um 13:45 schrieb Bidouille:

We have received a request without any name but with "club.acsi" in
the mail address. Is this the user you are asking for?

Yes it was a test
Could you send me a response?
On french forum, we have a tutorial to submit issues on Bugzilla.
I must to update it with new informations


but it's not your mail address I would send the respone to. I'm confused.


And they are sometimes not the fastest workers. ;-)

A human process means which delay to enable an account?


A delay that a human simply needs. He is doing the works when he is 
doing it. ;-)


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Re: Registration on Bugzilla

2021-10-29 Thread Marcus

Am 29.10.21 um 09:22 schrieb Bidouille:

Account registration has been disabled for spamming cause
In https://bz.apache.org/ooo/createaccount.cgi
I read that:
"New accounts must be created by an administrator. The maintainer is 
aoo-bugzilla-ad...@apache.org"
But if I send an e-mail, I get an automated response with:
"To request an account please send an email to sysad...@openoffice.apache.org"
I send a new e-mail to this address but no response since 24hrs.

This registration process is it correct?


yes, but it's not automated. So, a humans have to create the account. 
And they are sometimes not the fastest workers. ;-)


We have received a request without any name but with "club.acsi" in the 
mail address. Is this the user you are asking for?


Thanks

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Re: Happy Anniversary (9 years as TLP)

2021-10-18 Thread Marcus

Am 17.10.21 um 12:04 schrieb Matthias Seidel:


On this day, 9 years ago Apache OpenOffice became an Apache Top Level
Project (TLP).

Thanks to all the volunteers who made that happen and spent their
private time since then!


I also want to say thank you to all users, committers, supports, friends 
for improving OpenOffice in so many ways.


Marcus


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Re: API doc on web site [Was: Accessing the comment object (annotation) in Draw/Impress via API]

2021-10-18 Thread Marcus

Am 18.10.21 um 08:07 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:


replying to myself as a correction.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 07:08:25PM +0200, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

[...]

Those pages should be generated by Autodoc, for what I understand.

Are there any scripts that do this? Or any policies on how and when to
update the API documentation?  For example, I would suggest that each
new release would be a good time to update the API.


I should have written "API documentation" instead of API. I apologize.


ah, that is changing the game. ;-)


I agree that changing the API is a ``big thing'', that we shall be
very careful, and I understand Jörg's and Marcus' concern while
reading my paragraph above!

I suggest we update the _documentation_ whenever possible because IMHO
that can be helpful for developers.


The details can and should be discussed when it comes to updates. But in 
general I agree.



I hope I could clarify my proposal now.


Yes, thanks

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Re: API doc on web site [Was: Accessing the comment object (annotation) in Draw/Impress via API]

2021-10-15 Thread Marcus

Am 15.10.21 um 10:15 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

-Original Message-
From: Arrigo Marchiori [mailto:ard...@yahoo.it.INVALID]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 7:08 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: API doc on web site [Was: Accessing the comment
object (annotation) in Draw/Impress via API]

the API doc is (somehow) part of the website. And what you

are looking for

is maybe here:



https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/part2/conte
nt/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/office/module-ix.html

Thank you! That is what I meant.

Those pages should be generated by Autodoc, for what I understand.

Are there any scripts that do this? Or any policies on how and when to
update the API documentation?  For example, I would suggest that each
new release would be a good time to update the API.


please not really for each release. We should provide our users with a 
stable API at least for the 4.1.x release branch. Maybe also for 4.x.y.


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Re: Accessing the comment object (annotation) in Draw/Impress via API

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus

Am 12.10.21 um 22:06 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:


On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 04:53:56PM +0200, Czesław Wolański wrote:


Recently a user on the English forum inquired how one can change the font
size in a comment box in Draw [1].
He was given the obvious workaround tip and then the discussion started on
how to access the comment object via API.
Though the AOO's IDL reference says nothing in this regard, it turned out
the annotation can be handled
programmatically (at least in OpenOffice Basic).

Hence my questions:
1. Is the API in terms of annotations' handling fully operational?
2. Should the relevant AOO's IDL reference be amended?
see:
https://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/office/module-ix.html


I guess that the "API documentation" is extracted from autodoc or
something like that... how can we update it on our web site? Are there
any scripts or procedures?

Thank you in advance for any pointers,


the API doc is (somehow) part of the website. And what you are looking 
for is maybe here:


https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/part2/content/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/office/module-ix.html

HTH

Marcus


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Re: Packages from Unofficial Apache OO Debian repository updated to version 4.1.11

2021-10-10 Thread Marcus

Am 10.10.21 um 16:22 schrieb Marcelo Santana:

On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 10:13:13 +0200, Marcus  wrote:


Am 10.10.21 um 01:08 schrieb Marcelo Santana:


[...]


BTW:
Is there anything we can or should improve with our DEB files? I'm
wondering of the reason for a second repository.


Well, as far as I've seen, at least to have it in the Debian
repositories, there are many things but I don't have time to do it
according to the DFSG guidelines. So, I've been maintaining the
repository (almost 10 years now) to make it easier for sysadmins to
maintain their groups of desktops updated.

Remember, it's simple to update your AOO just downloading the new
version and typing "dpkg -i *.deb", but it's more complicated when you
have one group of desktops to be updated.


I understand. Thanks for your explaination.


Anyway, if the fact of having a second repository bothers the Apache
OpenOffice project, I have no problem ending it up.


No, that was not the intention behind my question. I just asked of 
curiosity. Not more. ;-)


Marcus


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Re: Packages from Unofficial Apache OO Debian repository updated to version 4.1.11

2021-10-10 Thread Marcus

Am 10.10.21 um 01:08 schrieb Marcelo Santana:

The unofficial Apache OO Debian repository was updated and from now
it provides the version 4.1.11 of Apache Openoffice with all available
languages.

All information needed for new installation or upgrade are available
in the README file[1].

[1]https://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/debian/


thanks for your service.

Please correct a link on top of the "REAME.md" file.
"https://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html; is no longer existing. 
Please refer always and only to "https://www.openoffice.org/download/;.


BTW:
Is there anything we can or should improve with our DEB files? I'm 
wondering of the reason for a second repository.


Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Release announce to Apache moderated due to source link

2021-10-08 Thread Marcus

Am 08.10.21 um 19:18 schrieb Dave Fisher:

On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

I asked Infra to distribute our source packages via ASF mirrors, but
that ticket was closed today:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21497?focusedCommentId=17338060=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-17338060


It’s good because it is on the cdn.

https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/openoffice/4.1.11/source/

Gave me https://dlcdn.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/ which is the cdn. 
“Mirror"

We are good.


nice when it is working now. Last time it was not.

@Carl:
When you use the "closer.lua" link in the mail then it should work.

Marcus




Am 08.10.21 um 19:04 schrieb Dave Fisher:

That will probably be kicked back too


On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:

My Apache announce email got kicked back due to the link to the source not 
using the mirror system.

"Source releases MUST use the ASF mirror system."

I used:
https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html

So I guess I need to use:
https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/

Our download page is wrong. See 
https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-page


I'll send a new one in a while.



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Re: Release announce to Apache moderated due to source link

2021-10-08 Thread Marcus

Am 08.10.21 um 19:04 schrieb Dave Fisher:

That will probably be kicked back too


On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Carl Marcum  wrote:

My Apache announce email got kicked back due to the link to the source not 
using the mirror system.

"Source releases MUST use the ASF mirror system."

I used:
https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html

So I guess I need to use:
https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.11/source/


Our download page is wrong. See 
https://infra.apache.org/release-download-pages.html#download-page


we use already a ASF server. But it has to be also the download system.

I had the same problem with the AOO 4.1.10 release.

However, it's not a big loss when the mail is not accepted. So, don't 
waste any time for this.


Marcus


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Re: Open Office Suggestion

2021-10-07 Thread Marcus

Adding John as he is not subscribed to this mailing list.



Am 07.10.21 um 21:12 schrieb Bidouille:

Feature already reported: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=10864
You can vote for this.

- Mail original -

De: "Heroes Outreach Program Administrator" 

À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Jeudi 7 Octobre 2021 16:19:56
Objet: Open Office Suggestion

I use OpenOffice Calc to track my personal budget, as well as items
and
budgets for our nonprofit, Heroes Outreach Program. There is one
feature
that I would find very useful and that would save me a lot of time.

When selecting the cell background color or font color, I would like
it
if when you clicked on the button that it would color the box in the
last color selected rather than having to go into the drop down and
selecting the same color cell after cell. This function is available
in
Microsoft Excel and I find it very useful and would find it just as
useful in Open Office Calc. I prefer to use open source software
rather
than feeding Microsoft.

Thank you for your time.

--
John L. Morlock



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Re: [CLOSED] [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.10.21 um 20:55 schrieb Marcus:

Am 06.10.21 um 20:17 schrieb Marcus:

Am 06.10.21 um 20:11 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 1:41 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 19:37 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 1:15 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 19:06 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 12:37 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:26 schrieb Dave Fisher:


On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Am 06.10.21 um 18:19 schrieb Dave Fisher:
On Oct 6, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.

SourceForge is ready to go!
I don’t see the files here: 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/

The directory is staged (invisible) until we do the release.

Great. Just checking.

BTW - What time will the “release” happen? Today or tomorrow 
morning? I need to ask security to publish the two CVEs and 
plan to be out this afternoon and evening.


I would prefer later today (European time). Marcus, what do you 
think?


I don't care. My preparations are nearly finished. I can commit 
the changes whenever we want. :-)


However, more important is that the blog announcement and 
release notes are also ready. I can take care for the release 
notes.


I filled in some improvement bullet points but feel free to 
add/change as needed.


I've finished (so far) the release notes. You can copy & paste the 
bugfixes and enhancements from there:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.11+Release+Notes 



We have these two that are already public and could be listed.
CVE-2021-33035 Buffer overflow from a crafted DBF file
CVE-2021-40439 Billion Laughs

CVE 2021-30245 - Code execution in Apache OpenOffice via 
non-http(s) schemes in Hyperlinks
We fixed in 4.1.10 although a little to aggressively and improved 
the handling in this one.

Should we list it again?


please reload the page. I've updated exactly this section. ;-)


I'm about to send the announce email.
Do you want to pull the draft notice down from the release notes now?

I've published the blog


great, then I'll change the blue headlines to the new announcement.


short status:

Main download page - updated
Blue headline - updated
Default download on sourceforge - changed
Project page - updated
Release notes - done
Blog post with announcment - done

Localized download pages - coming next
Mail with announcement - coming next


new status:

Localized download pages - done
Mail with AOO announcement - done

Mail with Apache announcement - coming next
Press Release - coming next
Security texts - coming next

Marcus



I saw the date for Patricia joining the project was missing. I 
searched the archives and came up with a this post as about the 
oldest I could find so I used that year.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9f5c7bbe9c2e46b800ad1dda5a1068a64ff26ab830ff9a9134c3b398%401446081722%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E 








Ah, great.

And of cause the security texts and webpages. I can also take 
over this but need the texts.


Dave, can you please help with the texts?
Carl, can you please finalize the blog post?


If were good with the text I'm ready to publish.
Just say the word.

Also on the announce email draft I'm ready if nobody wants a 
change..


What time are we thinking?


Let's say at 20:00 CET which is in ~ 45 minutes.
Is this OK for all?

Marcus




Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Jim,

Uploads to SourceForge are running.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

The vote on releasing AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA is CLOSED.

The vote has PASSED.

On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Hi Jim,

Am 04.10.21 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Agreed!

Marcus already casted his vote.

Maybe it is time to close the vote and move on?

Regards,

  Matthias

On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Marcus 
 wrote:


Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours 
(which will be Midnight European time)?


Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to 
take part of this vote.


Thanks

Marcus



Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and 
complimentary community builds of

Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.
[...]
This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.



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Re: [CLOSED] [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.10.21 um 20:17 schrieb Marcus:

Am 06.10.21 um 20:11 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 1:41 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 19:37 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 1:15 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 19:06 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 12:37 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:26 schrieb Dave Fisher:


On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Am 06.10.21 um 18:19 schrieb Dave Fisher:
On Oct 6, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.

SourceForge is ready to go!
I don’t see the files here: 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/

The directory is staged (invisible) until we do the release.

Great. Just checking.

BTW - What time will the “release” happen? Today or tomorrow 
morning? I need to ask security to publish the two CVEs and 
plan to be out this afternoon and evening.


I would prefer later today (European time). Marcus, what do you 
think?


I don't care. My preparations are nearly finished. I can commit 
the changes whenever we want. :-)


However, more important is that the blog announcement and release 
notes are also ready. I can take care for the release notes.


I filled in some improvement bullet points but feel free to 
add/change as needed.


I've finished (so far) the release notes. You can copy & paste the 
bugfixes and enhancements from there:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.11+Release+Notes 



We have these two that are already public and could be listed.
CVE-2021-33035 Buffer overflow from a crafted DBF file
CVE-2021-40439 Billion Laughs

CVE 2021-30245 - Code execution in Apache OpenOffice via non-http(s) 
schemes in Hyperlinks
We fixed in 4.1.10 although a little to aggressively and improved 
the handling in this one.

Should we list it again?


please reload the page. I've updated exactly this section. ;-)


I'm about to send the announce email.
Do you want to pull the draft notice down from the release notes now?

I've published the blog


great, then I'll change the blue headlines to the new announcement.


short status:

Main download page - updated
Blue headline - updated
Default download on sourceforge - changed
Project page - updated
Release notes - done
Blog post with announcment - done

Localized download pages - coming next
Mail with announcement - coming next

Marcus



I saw the date for Patricia joining the project was missing. I 
searched the archives and came up with a this post as about the 
oldest I could find so I used that year.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9f5c7bbe9c2e46b800ad1dda5a1068a64ff26ab830ff9a9134c3b398%401446081722%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E 







Ah, great.

And of cause the security texts and webpages. I can also take 
over this but need the texts.


Dave, can you please help with the texts?
Carl, can you please finalize the blog post?


If were good with the text I'm ready to publish.
Just say the word.

Also on the announce email draft I'm ready if nobody wants a change..

What time are we thinking?


Let's say at 20:00 CET which is in ~ 45 minutes.
Is this OK for all?

Marcus




Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Jim,

Uploads to SourceForge are running.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

The vote on releasing AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA is CLOSED.

The vote has PASSED.

On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Hi Jim,

Am 04.10.21 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Agreed!

Marcus already casted his vote.

Maybe it is time to close the vote and move on?

Regards,

  Matthias

On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Marcus 
 wrote:


Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours 
(which will be Midnight European time)?


Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to 
take part of this vote.


Thanks

Marcus



Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and 
complimentary community builds of

Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.
[...]
This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.



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Re: OpenOffice-org Staging Site Published

2021-10-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.10.21 um 20:23 schrieb Dave Fisher:

This build has strange issues and inserted an extra layer of content.

Do not publish.


it is already published. But I cannot see any extra content.
Can you point me to what you see?

Thanks

Marcus




On Oct 6, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Apache Jenkins Server  
wrote:

OpenOffice » OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build - Build # 494 - Successful:

Check console output at 
https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenOffice/job/OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build/494/
 to view the results.



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Re: [CLOSED] [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.10.21 um 20:11 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 1:41 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 19:37 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 1:15 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 19:06 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 12:37 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:26 schrieb Dave Fisher:


On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Am 06.10.21 um 18:19 schrieb Dave Fisher:
On Oct 6, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.

SourceForge is ready to go!
I don’t see the files here: 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/

The directory is staged (invisible) until we do the release.

Great. Just checking.

BTW - What time will the “release” happen? Today or tomorrow 
morning? I need to ask security to publish the two CVEs and plan 
to be out this afternoon and evening.


I would prefer later today (European time). Marcus, what do you 
think?


I don't care. My preparations are nearly finished. I can commit 
the changes whenever we want. :-)


However, more important is that the blog announcement and release 
notes are also ready. I can take care for the release notes.


I filled in some improvement bullet points but feel free to 
add/change as needed.


I've finished (so far) the release notes. You can copy & paste the 
bugfixes and enhancements from there:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.11+Release+Notes 



We have these two that are already public and could be listed.
CVE-2021-33035 Buffer overflow from a crafted DBF file
CVE-2021-40439 Billion Laughs

CVE 2021-30245 - Code execution in Apache OpenOffice via non-http(s) 
schemes in Hyperlinks
We fixed in 4.1.10 although a little to aggressively and improved the 
handling in this one.

Should we list it again?


please reload the page. I've updated exactly this section. ;-)


I'm about to send the announce email.
Do you want to pull the draft notice down from the release notes now?

I've published the blog


great, then I'll change the blue headlines to the new announcement.

Marcus



I saw the date for Patricia joining the project was missing. I 
searched the archives and came up with a this post as about the 
oldest I could find so I used that year.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9f5c7bbe9c2e46b800ad1dda5a1068a64ff26ab830ff9a9134c3b398%401446081722%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E 






Ah, great.

And of cause the security texts and webpages. I can also take over 
this but need the texts.


Dave, can you please help with the texts?
Carl, can you please finalize the blog post?


If were good with the text I'm ready to publish.
Just say the word.

Also on the announce email draft I'm ready if nobody wants a change..

What time are we thinking?


Let's say at 20:00 CET which is in ~ 45 minutes.
Is this OK for all?

Marcus




Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Jim,

Uploads to SourceForge are running.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

The vote on releasing AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA is CLOSED.

The vote has PASSED.

On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Hi Jim,

Am 04.10.21 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Agreed!

Marcus already casted his vote.

Maybe it is time to close the vote and move on?

Regards,

  Matthias

On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Marcus 
 wrote:


Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours 
(which will be Midnight European time)?


Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to 
take part of this vote.


Thanks

Marcus



Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and 
complimentary community builds of

Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.
[...]
This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.



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Re: [CLOSED] [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.10.21 um 19:37 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 1:15 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 19:06 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 12:37 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:26 schrieb Dave Fisher:


On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Am 06.10.21 um 18:19 schrieb Dave Fisher:
On Oct 6, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.

SourceForge is ready to go!
I don’t see the files here: 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/

The directory is staged (invisible) until we do the release.

Great. Just checking.

BTW - What time will the “release” happen? Today or tomorrow 
morning? I need to ask security to publish the two CVEs and plan 
to be out this afternoon and evening.


I would prefer later today (European time). Marcus, what do you think?


I don't care. My preparations are nearly finished. I can commit the 
changes whenever we want. :-)


However, more important is that the blog announcement and release 
notes are also ready. I can take care for the release notes.


I filled in some improvement bullet points but feel free to 
add/change as needed.


I've finished (so far) the release notes. You can copy & paste the 
bugfixes and enhancements from there:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.11+Release+Notes 



We have these two that are already public and could be listed.
CVE-2021-33035 Buffer overflow from a crafted DBF file
CVE-2021-40439 Billion Laughs

CVE 2021-30245 - Code execution in Apache OpenOffice via non-http(s) 
schemes in Hyperlinks
We fixed in 4.1.10 although a little to aggressively and improved the 
handling in this one.

Should we list it again?


please reload the page. I've updated exactly this section. ;-)

Marcus



I saw the date for Patricia joining the project was missing. I 
searched the archives and came up with a this post as about the 
oldest I could find so I used that year.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9f5c7bbe9c2e46b800ad1dda5a1068a64ff26ab830ff9a9134c3b398%401446081722%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E 




Ah, great.

And of cause the security texts and webpages. I can also take over 
this but need the texts.


Dave, can you please help with the texts?
Carl, can you please finalize the blog post?


If were good with the text I'm ready to publish.
Just say the word.

Also on the announce email draft I'm ready if nobody wants a change..

What time are we thinking?


Let's say at 20:00 CET which is in ~ 45 minutes.
Is this OK for all?

Marcus




Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Jim,

Uploads to SourceForge are running.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

The vote on releasing AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA is CLOSED.

The vote has PASSED.

On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Hi Jim,

Am 04.10.21 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Agreed!

Marcus already casted his vote.

Maybe it is time to close the vote and move on?

Regards,

  Matthias

On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Marcus  
wrote:


Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours (which 
will be Midnight European time)?


Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to take 
part of this vote.


Thanks

Marcus



Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and 
complimentary community builds of

Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.
[...]
This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.



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Re: [CLOSED] [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.10.21 um 19:06 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 10/6/21 12:37 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:26 schrieb Dave Fisher:


On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Am 06.10.21 um 18:19 schrieb Dave Fisher:
On Oct 6, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.

SourceForge is ready to go!
I don’t see the files here: 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/

The directory is staged (invisible) until we do the release.

Great. Just checking.

BTW - What time will the “release” happen? Today or tomorrow 
morning? I need to ask security to publish the two CVEs and plan to 
be out this afternoon and evening.


I would prefer later today (European time). Marcus, what do you think?


I don't care. My preparations are nearly finished. I can commit the 
changes whenever we want. :-)


However, more important is that the blog announcement and release 
notes are also ready. I can take care for the release notes.


I filled in some improvement bullet points but feel free to add/change 
as needed.


I've finished (so far) the release notes. You can copy & paste the 
bugfixes and enhancements from there:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.11+Release+Notes

I saw the date for Patricia joining the project was missing. I searched 
the archives and came up with a this post as about the oldest I could 
find so I used that year.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9f5c7bbe9c2e46b800ad1dda5a1068a64ff26ab830ff9a9134c3b398%401446081722%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E 


Ah, great.

And of cause the security texts and webpages. I can also take over 
this but need the texts.


Dave, can you please help with the texts?
Carl, can you please finalize the blog post?


If were good with the text I'm ready to publish.
Just say the word.

Also on the announce email draft I'm ready if nobody wants a change..

What time are we thinking?


Let's say at 20:00 CET which is in ~ 45 minutes.
Is this OK for all?

Marcus




Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Jim,

Uploads to SourceForge are running.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

The vote on releasing AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA is CLOSED.

The vote has PASSED.

On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Matthias Seidel 
 wrote:


Hi Jim,

Am 04.10.21 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Agreed!

Marcus already casted his vote.

Maybe it is time to close the vote and move on?

Regards,

  Matthias

On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Marcus  
wrote:


Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours (which 
will be Midnight European time)?


Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to take 
part of this vote.


Thanks

Marcus



Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and 
complimentary community builds of

Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.
[...]
This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.



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Re: [CLOSED] [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.10.21 um 18:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:26 schrieb Dave Fisher:



On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Am 06.10.21 um 18:19 schrieb Dave Fisher:

On Oct 6, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.

SourceForge is ready to go!

I don’t see the files here: 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/

The directory is staged (invisible) until we do the release.

Great. Just checking.

BTW - What time will the “release” happen? Today or tomorrow morning? I need to 
ask security to publish the two CVEs and plan to be out this afternoon and 
evening.


I would prefer later today (European time). Marcus, what do you think?


I don't care. My preparations are nearly finished. I can commit the 
changes whenever we want. :-)


However, more important is that the blog announcement and release notes 
are also ready. I can take care for the release notes.


And of cause the security texts and webpages. I can also take over this 
but need the texts.


Dave, can you please help with the texts?
Carl, can you please finalize the blog post?

Thanks

Marcus




Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Jim,

Uploads to SourceForge are running.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

The vote on releasing AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA is CLOSED.

The vote has PASSED.


On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Hi Jim,

Am 04.10.21 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Agreed!

Marcus already casted his vote.

Maybe it is time to close the vote and move on?

Regards,

  Matthias


On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Marcus  wrote:

Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours (which will be Midnight 
European time)?

Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to take part of this vote.

Thanks

Marcus



Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary community builds 
of
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.
[...]
This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.



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Re: [CLOSED] Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-06 Thread Marcus

Am 06.10.21 um 17:16 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Uploads are complete and files are on at least 20 mirrors.

SourceForge is ready to go!


OK, then I'll continue the release process now for the website.

Marcus




Am 05.10.21 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Jim,

Uploads to SourceForge are running.

Regards,

    Matthias

Am 05.10.21 um 13:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

The vote on releasing AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA is CLOSED.

The vote has PASSED.


On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Hi Jim,

Am 04.10.21 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Agreed!

Marcus already casted his vote.

Maybe it is time to close the vote and move on?

Regards,

Matthias


On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Marcus  wrote:

Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours (which will be Midnight 
European time)?

Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to take part of this vote.

Thanks

Marcus



Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary community builds 
of
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.
[...]
This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.



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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-03 Thread Marcus

Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:


[X] yes / +1

[ ] no / -1

My vote is based on

[X] binding (member of PMC)

[ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]

[X] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


Tested on:
- Windows 10 Home 64-bit 20H2 Build 19042.1237
- Installed AOO 4.1.11m1 (Build 9808 - Rev. bdb20b2a64)

- First with "en-US" full install
- Then "de" langpack
- Then "pt" langpack
- Then switched the UI languages

Checksums:
- Tested checksums for all source tarballs
- Tested checksums for the install files en-US, de, pt

Document tests:
- Existing, older DOC, XLS, PPT documents
- Existing, older DOCX, XLSX, PPTX documents
- Created a new text doc and opened / edited the saved file with all 
languages


Everything without problems.

Marcus


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Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.11-RC1 as GA

2021-10-01 Thread Marcus
Jim, is it possible to extent the vote for 12 hours (which will be 
Midnight European time)?


Then I've a much better chance with testing *and* to take part of this vote.

Thanks

Marcus



Am 30.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary community builds 
of
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11-RC1 as GA.

[...]

This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.



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Re: Apache OpenOffice on Xing

2021-09-30 Thread Marcus

Am 30.09.21 um 13:12 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

On Xing Jürgen Schmidt is looking for a new moderator (German speaking)
for the Apache OpenOffice group:

https://www.xing.com/communities/posts/neuer-moderator-gesucht-1022924323?cce=emaaa97608.%3ADuB0OsqNVnj2CFA0144fAI

Any volunteers?


IMHO this is best discussed on the dev-de@ mailing list - btw it is 
already running - as it is German only business.


Marcus


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Re: [QA AUTOMATION] Standalone Tests now available in standalone-test branch

2021-09-30 Thread Marcus

Am 30.09.21 um 04:02 schrieb Carl Marcum:
Just an FYI on the status of my work on allowing the automated test 
suites to compile and run tests without a working AOO build environment.
I've started a new branch standalone-test [1] with a README file 
explaining the usage.


[...]


thanks for your work. That this test suite is now more modern but first 
of all usable with a fresh build AOO is a really great improvement.


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Re: AOO41X: Time for RC1?

2021-09-16 Thread Marcus

Am 16.09.21 um 11:57 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I just did a full build of AOO41X for Windows. Everything fine!

IMHO this could be the base for AOO 4.1.11-RC1?

(This is #55779ad04e)


was everything backported to the AOO41X branch that should be included 
also here?


If yes, then we should start the process.

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Re: LAZY CONSENSUS: change IRC links from Freenode to Libera.Chat

2021-08-15 Thread Marcus

Am 12.08.21 um 16:26 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

sorry I am a bit absent in these days.

Edits are "on stage":
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/

Can someone push them into production, please, if they look good?
(they do IMHO)


done, thanks for taking care.

Marcus




On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 03:03:24AM +0200, 
australia.student@tutanota.com.INVALID wrote:


+0.10

Here is the background about freenode to libera.chat
https://kline.sh/

Great to see the updated links

Aug 6, 2021, 16:58 by o...@mechtilde.de:


+1

Am 06.08.21 um 00:35 schrieb Carl Marcum:


Hi Arrigo,

On 8/5/21 4:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:


On Aug 5, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Arrigo Marchiori
 wrote:

Hello All,

following Carl's very good advice, here is my proposal:

   I will merge https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/pull/57
   consisting of changing IRC links from Freenode into Libera Chat, if
   no one objects within August 10th.


Nicely done!


I don’t see any reason to wait. We aren’t going back to Freenode …

Make it so!



I also agree.

Best regards,
Carl



Regards,
Dave


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Re: devtools

2021-08-14 Thread Marcus

Am 14.08.21 um 13:33 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Last discussion on this topic is at [1]

[1] 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r64090cf9de98c0147098b5d7d58b5f248c71b42e06d3dcb1c536bc88%40%3Cdev.openoffice.apache.org%3E 

+1 to move to git. I would separate each tool in an own repository. But 
as long as it is done I would agree to a devtools repository.


To migrate it back into OpenOffice.git I am at -1 because OpenOffice 
Code + Build environment is already hard to learn. Especially for new 
commers.


It is better to cluster by topics.


I also think that code and tools should be separated.

We have the following tools (or maybe also some more):

aoo-stats
bootstrap-connector
build-scripts
bz-tools
genUpdateFeed
guno-extension
hg2svn
lazybones-templates
list-stats
release-scripts
scripts
sdk-examples
svn-stats
updateVersion

I don't think that we should create an own repo for each of them. This 
would be too much overhead. Please let us keep all tools in 1 repo 
together. It's just 25 MB of space or a few MBs more.


Marcus




On 12.08.21 18:00, Jim Jagielski wrote:


Any other opinions or comments?


On Aug 6, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:

To me, it being within OpenOffice.git makes the most sense... but I'm 
fine either way



On Aug 6, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Within /Apache/OpenOffice.git repository? Or a new 
/Apache/OpenOffice-devtools.git?


+1, especially if history is preserved.

Of course there would be wiki and webpages to update.



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Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-30 Thread Marcus

Am 30.06.21 um 23:47 schrieb Carl Marcum:

I think it looks great!

I've tested mobile with Firefox's developer tools and my iPhone 11 with 
Firefox and that looks great too.


I had a look on my desktop with Firefox and the difference now - 
compared with the first steps - is increadible.


The menu / nav now looks more sorted and clear. The menu items are well 
aligned and personally I don't miss any icons for them.


Maybe you can reduce the font size and margins a bit as currently less 
content is fitting on the page than before without the need to scroll.



Thanks for your work on this!


Yes, thanks a lot for making this possible.

Marcus




On 6/30/21 5:13 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:

Hi -

I like where everything is now. When I run google’s Lightroom tool in 
a Chrome Incognito window I get scores of 94, 97, 100, and 100.



On Jun 30, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:


On 30.06.21 20:17, Dave Fisher wrote:

On Jun 30, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Peter Kovacs  wrote:


On 30.06.21 19:25, Dave Fisher wrote:
I like the look at https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org/. 
Please review.
+1, maybe can we have some icons in front of a menu point? like the 
ASF feather in front of the ASF?

The feather in front of “The ASF” is possible.

And maybe an indication which menu point we currently see. Maybe an 
arrow? (if you visit the link and you click on General you would 
see a -> in front of the menu point "About".)
I’m counting on bootstrap for the nav menus and I don’t think that 
is at all easy. It would likely require keeping information about 
what menu a page is part of in the page along with making sure that 
the page is on the menu.

I thought of something like this pseudocode:

if (window.location.href = this.dropdown-item.href) then this.css = 
"selected" else this.css = "unselected"?
I get your idea and it could be a way to do it and there is a way to 
make bootstrap menu items inactive.


There may be some issues with the comparison as the 
window.location.href is fully qualified while we do not want to use 
fully qualified urls for the dropdown-item hrefs (makes testing the 
site painful.)



Hmm, bummer seems not that easy.

So maybe something like:

const boxes = 
documentui.dropdown-menu.show.querySelectorAll('#dropdown-item');


boxes.forEach(box => {
if (window.location.href = box.dropdown-item.href) then box.css = 
"selected" else box.css = "unselected"?


}

Well something along those lines. I really suck at JS, i just try to 
write something so you have a better Idea what I thought of. Could 
well (likely) be this is rubbish.


So for the pages I tried this approach seem to be pretty neat. Pages 
that are not listed on the menue, maybe it is the qwuestion where 
they belong, anyhow.
Actually, I would want to learn how to customize Bootstrap 5 first, 
but I’m not going to do that right now.


There were numerous tweaks needed. The current site did not catch 
the rename of volunteer@ to recruitment@.


Unless there are objections I plan to squash & merge after I get 
the mobile view better.
I tried earlier today on my phone and it did look promising 
already. The Desktop does also look great.

Do you have an android phone, or iPhone?
I tried from an Android phone. Sony Xperia XA2 and now Samsung S8 to 
be exact. I use a Firefox browser.


Now I see a hamburger menu, nice. However the feather makes the menu 
look unaligned. it is great on the desktop.


I am not a gui developer so I am not sure what is state of the art on 
hamburger menus is, but i would intend the other menus, with the goal 
that the text starts always at same point.
IMO the feather is good in the hamburger menu. All of the ASF menu 
items leave the site.


I’m done with UI work for now. It is time to update content. See 
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/preview/refresh/PAGES.md 



All The Best,
Dave

I really like the fact that it incorporates the UI approach we are 
using.

Thanks!
Dave



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Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-29 Thread Marcus

Am 29.06.21 um 18:57 schrieb Dave Fisher:

On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Marcus  wrote:
Am 28.06.21 um 23:44 schrieb Dave Fisher:

I’ve created a feature branch of the project website at 
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/tree/preview/refresh
I’ve updated it to use the ASF Pelican features as developed for the CMS 
Migration of www.apache.org and ten project websites just being completed.
One feature that returns is {#elementid} and permalink support.
Intermediate results are here: https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org


when comparing this with "https://openoffice.apache.org/; I don't see any 
changes. Are there already changes to be noticed?


The only changes to be noticed is the formatting for the three [TOC]


after you last changes I can see now more.
In general, the vertical margins between headlines are wider.


Thanks


I plan to swap from left navigation to top navigation next along with other 
enhancements.


That means all links under General, Community, Develoment ... are horizontal 
links, right?


Yes, and they will collapse to a menu on narrow screens / mobile


OK, then the number of items doesn't matter.


On the example page "https://template.staged.apache.org/; I can see how it can 
look like. However, we have a lot of links more, so how would it look like for us?


Two things.

(1) That’s a limited sample. Each menu will have however many menu items we 
want.
(2) I think we should revisit the menus on a case by case and page by page 
basis.

We have 46 pages:
[...]

Some of these are obsolete and many could use a review.

We might want to add an “Orientation” menu.

I think my next step is to make a table of the pages.


Yes, even with only 46 pages an update sounds reasonable.

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Re: Working on Refresh of openoffice.apache.org

2021-06-29 Thread Marcus

Am 28.06.21 um 23:44 schrieb Dave Fisher:

I’ve created a feature branch of the project website at 
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/tree/preview/refresh

I’ve updated it to use the ASF Pelican features as developed for the CMS 
Migration of www.apache.org and ten project websites just being completed.

One feature that returns is {#elementid} and permalink support.

Intermediate results are here: https://openoffice-refresh.staged.apache.org


when comparing this with "https://openoffice.apache.org/; I don't see 
any changes. Are there already changes to be noticed?


Thanks


I plan to swap from left navigation to top navigation next along with other 
enhancements.


That means all links under General, Community, Develoment ... are 
horizontal links, right?


On the example page "https://template.staged.apache.org/; I can see how 
it can look like. However, we have a lot of links more, so how would it 
look like for us?


Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-06-22 Thread Marcus

Am 22.06.21 um 19:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

What about adding .wpl .m3u etc. to the list of secure file extensions?

I would like to build a new version soon to let our users test...


+1

Marcus




Am 15.06.21 um 18:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 15.06.21 um 18:34 schrieb Marcus:

Am 14.06.21 um 17:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 14.06.21 um 17:39 schrieb Marcus:

Am 14.06.21 um 16:58 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

the original poster of bug 128453 correctly noted that the bug was not
solved _for him_: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128453#c9

In his case, AOO is showing a warning when he tries to open a WPL
file, that is a Windows Media Player playlist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Player_Playlist

Shall we just add it to the list of safe extensions, to solve the
problem?

IMHO we have to be very careful where we draw the line.
Who shoud decide what is on the list and what not?

That's why Arrigo asked here, I think.

When we allow WPL, what about ASX, M3U and other music playlist files?

IMHO they should also be allowed. AOO only passes them to the
player/CODEC of the OS.

would be OK.


And do we want to create always a new release to add something new in
the internal whitelist? ;-)

No, at the moment we want to create a new release based on the feedback
of our users... ;-)

Yes sure, and with a new issue comes a new request and therefore a new
release. ;-)

That's the way how a project like ours is maintained...



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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-06-15 Thread Marcus

Am 14.06.21 um 17:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 14.06.21 um 17:39 schrieb Marcus:

Am 14.06.21 um 16:58 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

the original poster of bug 128453 correctly noted that the bug was not
solved _for him_: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128453#c9

In his case, AOO is showing a warning when he tries to open a WPL
file, that is a Windows Media Player playlist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Player_Playlist

Shall we just add it to the list of safe extensions, to solve the
problem?


IMHO we have to be very careful where we draw the line.
Who shoud decide what is on the list and what not?

That's why Arrigo asked here, I think.


When we allow WPL, what about ASX, M3U and other music playlist files?

IMHO they should also be allowed. AOO only passes them to the
player/CODEC of the OS.


would be OK.


And do we want to create always a new release to add something new in
the internal whitelist? ;-)


No, at the moment we want to create a new release based on the feedback
of our users... ;-)


Yes sure, and with a new issue comes a new request and therefore a new 
release. ;-)


Marcus


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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-06-14 Thread Marcus

Am 14.06.21 um 16:58 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

the original poster of bug 128453 correctly noted that the bug was not
solved _for him_: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128453#c9

In his case, AOO is showing a warning when he tries to open a WPL
file, that is a Windows Media Player playlist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Player_Playlist

Shall we just add it to the list of safe extensions, to solve the
problem?


IMHO we have to be very careful where we draw the line.
Who shoud decide what is on the list and what not?

When we allow WPL, what about ASX, M3U and other music playlist files?

And do we want to create always a new release to add something new in 
the internal whitelist? ;-)


Marcus


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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-06-14 Thread Marcus

Am 12.06.21 um 03:47 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 6/11/21 6:19 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Am 10.06.21 um 15:53 schrieb Matthias Seidel:


Could you provide a test document?

Or (if you use Windows) make a test with this build:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-420-Test/Full%20Installation/Apache_OpenOffice_4.2.0_Win_x86_install_en-US_56e2535bb8.exe 


I posted the wrong link for the build, please try this one:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-4111-Test/Full%20Installation/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.11_Win_x86_install_en-US_6652b2eb2e.exe 


This one works great on my test document!
No warning on the .uno:Reload button or the odf file or inter-document 
links.


I did discover a bug unrelated to this.

When I open the document I created on Linux with the hyperlinks and uno 
button using the file open dialog it opens correctly using Windows 10.
When I open it again using dropdown beside the Open button in the Start 
Center or File > Recent Documents I get an ASCII Filter Options dialog 
and then a General Error. General input/output error and the file 
doesn't open.


Also happens with a production 4.1.9 that was on this system I'm testing 
on.


Can anyone on windows confirm with the file [1]?
[1] http://home.apache.org/~cmarcum/hyperlink-tests/hyperlink-test-doc.odt


thanks for this document.

I've tested it with Matthias' AOO 4.1.11 build on Win 10 and can confirm 
the behavior for showing resp. not showing the warning dialog; 
especially for the Reload-button (URL: .uno:reload).


@Matthias:
I've installed the AOO 4.1.11_807d57542e.exe (from 2021-06-13). The file 
from the above URL above was not available, so I hope this is OK.


Marcus




Am 04.05.21 um 16:05 schrieb k...@kshelton.plus.com:
For some years I've had a Reload button in my Calc document to avoid 
having to use the File menu. Just updated to 4.1.10 and now I get a 
message when pressing Reload button:


This hyperlink is going to open “.uno:Reload”. Do you want to proceed?

Is there a way of switching off this message please?



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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-06-10 Thread Marcus

Am 08.06.21 um 11:16 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Find the Windows build here:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-4111-Test/Full%20Installation/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.11_Win_x86_install_en-US_6652b2eb2e.exe


here my results:

http://www.openoffice.org/
http://www.openoffice.org/test.exe
http://www.openoffice.org/test.ods
https://www.openoffice.org/
https://www.openoffice.org/test.exe
https://www.openoffice.org/test.ods

--> Any HTTP or HTTPS links are opened without warning.

smb://www.openoffice.org/
smb://www.openoffice.org/test.exe
smb://www.openoffice.org/test.ods
file://www.openoffice.org/
file://www.openoffice.org/test.exe
file://www.openoffice.org/test.ods

--> Any SMB or FILE links get the warning dialog before opening.

How can I test with UNO links like ".uno:reload"?

Thanks

Marcus




Am 07.06.21 um 18:09 schrieb Marcus:

Am 07.06.21 um 02:12 schrieb Carl Marcum:

Hi Arrigo,

On 6/6/21 3:56 PM, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

Hello Carl, All,

On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 11:50:12AM -0400, Carl Marcum wrote:


Hi Arrigo and All,

On 6/5/21 5:53 PM, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

Hello Carl, All,

On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 03:47:12PM -0400, Carl Marcum wrote:


Hi Arrigo,

On 6/5/21 9:50 AM, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

Dear Matthias, Czesław, All,

On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 12:39:16PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:


Hi Czesław,

Am 05.06.21 um 12:35 schrieb Czesław Wolański:

Hi Matthias, all

A preliminary check in Calc (Windows 7, 64-bit)

(1) in-document links beginning with #
test: button with link to other sheet
result: OK (no security warning)

(2) .uno:XXX links
result: security warning

(3) Links to local files
test: the "Hyperlink" dialog, button "WWW Browser"
result: OK (no security warning)

That's what I expected, since the patches are for file://

.uno: hasn't been addressed yet

@Arrigo: correct me if I am wrong ;-)

You should have just become wrong ;-)

I found out that there are many checks on the URL protocol. I
suggest
that the warning was not checked at the right moment, but too soon.

Because we had a report of unexpected _execution_ of malicious
links,
I suggest we leave the safety check on hyperlinks _just before
calling
the OS to execute them_.

The result is that HTTP, HTTPS, but also "uno:" and all other
protocols already understood by AOO are not checked, and no
warnings
will appear. We could argue that their safety must be assured by
the
code handling them, as we accepted to delegate the browser for
Internet links.

The latest commit, just pushed to branch bug128453, moves the check
for "safe extensions" (or directory) from the beginning of
hyperlinks'
processing, to just before the execution of the link target by
the OS.
The protocol is not checked any more, because supported protocols
are already filtered out and processed at that point.

This should make all links to non-files work again, and still warn
users when they are going to open JAR's, EXE's and other unknown
types.

What do you think about this?

I like your thinking on this.
I'll build this branch on Linux and test using some of the test
documents
and ones I've made to make sure I understand the different cases.
Then I'll report back.

You can find my 64 bit Linux builds here:
https://home.apache.org/~ardovm/openoffice/bug128453/

I tried the "beta" option of the build script... I hope it works.

Thank you for your cooperation!

Best regards,

I've built the bug128453 branch [1] on Linux CentOS 7 and ran the
test suite
that included the hyperlink tests for the dialogs [2].

I put together some test documents here [3].

Very nice, thank you!

[...]

So far everything looks good and I get the warning everywhere I
expect to
with one exception.
The smb://nonexistant.url.com link does not display the warning and
I get
this output:
---
This tool has been deprecated, use 'gio open' instead.
See 'gio help open' for more info.

gio: smb://nonexistant.url.com/: The specified location is not mounted
---
Note that I build on CentOS 7 and use --enable-gio and
--disable-gnome-vfs
in configure.

Maybe there is a reason the SMB protocol is treated differently
than the
others when there is only the host section of the url?

I'm not saying this is bad but just different. We can discuss...

Sure.

The smb:// protocol is treated like file://. A proof of this is that
the link to "smb://nonexistant.url.com/evil.jar" shows a warning dialog
because the ".jar" extension is not considered safe.

For the same reason, f you create a link to
"smb://nonexistant.url.com/whatever.ods" it will be opened without
warnings.

The link you are discussing points to "smb://nonexistant.url.com/".
The target ends with a backslash, therefore it is considered a
directory, and thus safe.

Thanks for pointing this out. I intended it to end without the /.
For some reason AOO adds the trailing / for the smb link no matter
what I try.
But not for the ot

Re: You are not dead.

2021-06-08 Thread Marcus

Hi Tamika,

thanks a lot for your kind words. We appreciate this very much.

Even when the linked news report is already a bit older, the fact is 
still the same that you have stated already in the subject.


Maybe the fact that we focus on stability and not feature-richness is 
irritating many people, so that they think that nothing is coming anymore.


But:
The work on Apache OpenOffice is still going on. :-)

Marcus



Am 08.06.21 um 02:59 schrieb Tamika Jolly:

Some people are saying you are dying. OpenOffice has been a life saver OMG.
O_O

https://www.zdnet.com/article/openoffice-is-dead-long-live-libreoffice/


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Re: sharing "installed" builds for Linux testing

2021-06-08 Thread Marcus

Am 08.06.21 um 16:08 schrieb Carl Marcum:
Would sharing the "installed" type builds work for Linux testing of 
small changes as long as the architecture was the same?
That way Linux testers wouldn't need to integrate with the system 
similar to Windows users having the option of an administrative install.


I've tested sharing a build from CentOS 7  to Ubuntu 18 and CentOS 8 
without any noticeable issues.


I would prefer this method of installation. It's faster and - the main 
point - not that system-integrated.


As long as we don't need to test any system or installation issues I 
would like to test this way.


Marcus


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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-06-07 Thread Marcus

Am 07.06.21 um 02:12 schrieb Carl Marcum:

Hi Arrigo,

On 6/6/21 3:56 PM, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

Hello Carl, All,

On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 11:50:12AM -0400, Carl Marcum wrote:


Hi Arrigo and All,

On 6/5/21 5:53 PM, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

Hello Carl, All,

On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 03:47:12PM -0400, Carl Marcum wrote:


Hi Arrigo,

On 6/5/21 9:50 AM, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:

Dear Matthias, Czesław, All,

On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 12:39:16PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:


Hi Czesław,

Am 05.06.21 um 12:35 schrieb Czesław Wolański:

Hi Matthias, all

A preliminary check in Calc (Windows 7, 64-bit)

(1) in-document links beginning with #
test: button with link to other sheet
result: OK (no security warning)

(2) .uno:XXX links
result: security warning

(3) Links to local files
test: the "Hyperlink" dialog, button "WWW Browser"
result: OK (no security warning)

That's what I expected, since the patches are for file://

.uno: hasn't been addressed yet

@Arrigo: correct me if I am wrong ;-)

You should have just become wrong ;-)

I found out that there are many checks on the URL protocol. I suggest
that the warning was not checked at the right moment, but too soon.

Because we had a report of unexpected _execution_ of malicious links,
I suggest we leave the safety check on hyperlinks _just before 
calling

the OS to execute them_.

The result is that HTTP, HTTPS, but also "uno:" and all other
protocols already understood by AOO are not checked, and no warnings
will appear. We could argue that their safety must be assured by the
code handling them, as we accepted to delegate the browser for
Internet links.

The latest commit, just pushed to branch bug128453, moves the check
for "safe extensions" (or directory) from the beginning of 
hyperlinks'
processing, to just before the execution of the link target by the 
OS.

The protocol is not checked any more, because supported protocols
are already filtered out and processed at that point.

This should make all links to non-files work again, and still warn
users when they are going to open JAR's, EXE's and other unknown
types.

What do you think about this?

I like your thinking on this.
I'll build this branch on Linux and test using some of the test 
documents

and ones I've made to make sure I understand the different cases.
Then I'll report back.

You can find my 64 bit Linux builds here:
https://home.apache.org/~ardovm/openoffice/bug128453/

I tried the "beta" option of the build script... I hope it works.

Thank you for your cooperation!

Best regards,
I've built the bug128453 branch [1] on Linux CentOS 7 and ran the 
test suite

that included the hyperlink tests for the dialogs [2].

I put together some test documents here [3].

Very nice, thank you!

[...]
So far everything looks good and I get the warning everywhere I 
expect to

with one exception.
The smb://nonexistant.url.com link does not display the warning and I 
get

this output:
---
This tool has been deprecated, use 'gio open' instead.
See 'gio help open' for more info.

gio: smb://nonexistant.url.com/: The specified location is not mounted
---
Note that I build on CentOS 7 and use --enable-gio and 
--disable-gnome-vfs

in configure.

Maybe there is a reason the SMB protocol is treated differently than the
others when there is only the host section of the url?

I'm not saying this is bad but just different. We can discuss...

Sure.

The smb:// protocol is treated like file://. A proof of this is that
the link to "smb://nonexistant.url.com/evil.jar" shows a warning dialog
because the ".jar" extension is not considered safe.

For the same reason, f you create a link to
"smb://nonexistant.url.com/whatever.ods" it will be opened without
warnings.

The link you are discussing points to "smb://nonexistant.url.com/".
The target ends with a backslash, therefore it is considered a
directory, and thus safe.

Thanks for pointing this out. I intended it to end without the /.
For some reason AOO adds the trailing / for the smb link no matter what 
I try.
But not for the other types.  Even in the automated test since it just 
robots the UI.


I've removed the smb link in the test document and uploaded a new copy.

I'll also disable that specific test in the test suite as well due to 
this behavior.




This is the current logic. It may be worth discussing whether we want
to consider links to directories safe or not.

The warning messages you reported about gio are worth another
discussion: we may need to update the way we "talk to" the OS under
GNOME. But as long as it works on current distributions, I would
refrain from changing it.

I hope that the above makes sense.

Best regards,

So now I'll say everything works as expected.

Thanks again for your work on this!


Yes, thanks a lot for your efforts. :-)

Marcus


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Re: SF and AOO download statistics

2021-06-03 Thread Marcus

Am 03.06.21 um 13:43 schrieb Bidouille:

Weird


I don't think that it's weird.

It's a normal thing that you can sit in France and download an English 
version.


The download will be counted as done in France, but the AOO version is 
counted for the English language.


Marcus




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De: "Matthias Seidel" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Jeudi 3 Juin 2021 11:51:33
Objet: Re: SF and AOO download statistics

Hi,

Top downloads are from France, not for the French version... ;-)

Matthias

Am 03.06.21 um 11:48 schrieb Bidouille:

Since a couple of versions, top country for downloading is FR (for
4.1.10 = 13%).
But if I go on details, I see that en-US downloads are 94K and FR
are 46K.
https://www.cjoint.com/doc/21_06/KFdjTDAutNV_capture.jpg



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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-06-02 Thread Marcus

Am 02.06.21 um 00:07 schrieb Peter Kovacs:


On 01.06.21 21:57, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:
I would not go for file://. Can we go for a pattern derivated from 
file://path/document.ods#anchor ?

I am not sure I understand your question, Peter.

I am suggesting not to trust file:// in general, but the anchored URL, 


yes, the securty report is talking about nin-http(s) links, And "ile" is 
not http. There we have to treat this as insecure.



maybe file://*#anchor if you like.
But maybe I got this URL wrong.


Hm, I don't see how an anchor makes the document more secure. ;-)

Marcus


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Re: OOo:eo Localization page

2021-05-31 Thread Marcus

Am 12.05.21 um 20:38 schrieb Marcus:
I would say, let's going on in the mail thread in @L10n. Otherwise it's 
just double postings. ;-)


in the meantime the webpages have been updated and are available:
https://www.openoffice.org/eo/

Please have a look what you want to translate. Then I can help you. :-)

Thanks

Marcus




Am 12.05.21 um 11:33 schrieb Dean.Webber:
I have updated the "main" page for the Esperanto (EO) language. The 
html code is available at https://justpaste.it/8yuud for upload.


The pages have mostly been translated using translate.yandex.com with 
help from en.bab.la/dictionary/english-esperanto/ for the remaining few.


This will still point to the english version of the downloads page, as 
the Esperanto version has been relocated for housekeeping purposes.


If someone could upload this, I can make sure that it looks as it 
should when sitting in the correct location.


As a final check I can translate it back to English, to ensure that 
the meaning has not changed significantly.



I was not sure how the language detection in the page operates, but I 
set the variable for language to "eo" on line 271, is that sufficient?



The original was based from the English (en-GB) version found from 
www.openoffice.org/?redirect=soft<http://www.openoffice.org/?redirect=soft> 
and clicking on "This site is also available in English (en-GB). Just 
click this text to get redirected.". The soft redirect message appears 
when changing from another language back to English.


From: Aivaras Stepukonis 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2021 1:23 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: OOo:eo Localization page

Thank for the link, Marcus!

Yes, as long as the visitors are informed they can help with
localization, keeping the website up to date by removing from sight the
bits that are unmaintained is an appropriate QA step.

Aivaras

2021-05-11 14:01, Marcus rašė:

Am 11.05.21 um 11:35 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:

On the subject of unmaintained, untranslated local webpages.

One should start with a simple set of criteria that allows to
determine what is/is not unmaintained. Something like:

1. incomplete page translation;
2. outdated page layout/design.


the criteria are summarized here:
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fprojects%2Fnative-lang.htmldata=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C6379c6930f444b8bf8c008d9148007f2%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C1%7C637563362414144036%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=DEnEpvYDuzBAw0qhtWplPWqHwMSd8p56Btwk6S0bDXI%3Dreserved=0 




Then one would archive the pages that fall under the above criteria.
The visitors coming from the locales of the unlocalized pages would
instead be directed to the main page with a message "If you can help
translating this page into your native language, let us know!"


This is already done in a slightly different way:
- Pages have English text
- A big, red box with text similar to yours but just a bit more.
- No redirection to the main page

Marcus




2021-05-11 02:07, Marcus rašė:

Am 11.05.21 um 00:18 schrieb Dean.Webber:

How many localization pages need to be translated? How many pages
are 'not maintained'?


the default set has ~40 pages. But I haven't counted the total
amount of words or sentences.


Depending on the extend of the pages, we can adopt a translate
service (which will have some cost attached). For example to
translate 100 pages of similar character length using the yandex
translate api will cost $5.00/month (assuming USD).


Hm, costs are always not a good argument. OpenOffice is made by
volunteers. The same should apply to the creation and maintenance of
webpages or documentation in general.

I don't know the quality of translated languages of Yandex or
others. But I know Google Translate and its quality is ...
improvable. ;-)


Otherwise perhaps a list of these pages can be left for those that
are new recruits, or looking for something to do. So, if they chose
too, they can spend some time working on localizations or
translations. They can then use a translate service (for free) to
convert from the sources to the localization language.

This may result in poor quality translation, but enough for people
to get the general idea, and a good starting point for native
language speakers to modify pages.


As written previously the pages are unmaintained for years. There
are no volunteers that would take care of it. So, translating a part
of it and then others can do the remaining stuff will not come true.

Very seldom we get a mail that someone has seen a message like you
can see here in the red box [1]. We give them a few hints and how
and where to start with translation and then ... noting more. Thats
all.


But honestly, I have no idea of the scale of the localization pages.


The problem is that th

Re: What to focus on next

2021-05-27 Thread Marcus

Am 27.05.21 um 19:53 schrieb Marcus:

Am 27.05.21 um 19:38 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 27.05.21 um 19:10 schrieb Marcus:

Am 27.05.21 um 16:18 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 27.05.21 um 16:07 schrieb Dave Fisher:

IMO there are a couple more issues like hyperlink protocols to
always allow to look into before 4.1.11 builds. So, if you are
looking to build right now then 4.2.0dev.


Yes, 4.2.0-Dev3 would simply be an official "snapshot" of what we have
in branch AOO42X.

4.1.11 needs a lot more work to be released.


Maybe a thread on the release blockers for 4.2.0?


+1


please not as mails. IMHO this will end in a total mess and nobody is
able to keep the overview. ;-)

Good idea!


Better to create a Confluence page, start with the list of opened and
targeted issues [1]. Then we can discuss which issues we can fix for
4.2.0.


I would simply start with the list of Release Blockers:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?bug_status=CONFIRMED_status=ACCEPTED_status=REOPENED_status=RESOLVED_status=VERIFIED_status=CLOSED=flagtypes.name_id=248770=substring=changeddate%20DESC%2Cbug_id%20DESC_based_on=4.2.0_blocker_requested%2B_format=advanced=---=FIXED=4.2.0_release_blocker 



I've started this list:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Blocker+issues+4.2.0

Will now add the classified blockers also.


done.

Let's start the discussion now.

Marcus




On May 27, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Matthias Seidel
 wrote:

Am 27.05.21 um 15:38 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

On May 21, 2021, at 5:02 AM, Matthias Seidel
 wrote:

Am 14.05.21 um 18:56 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

On May 14, 2021, at 1:27 AM, Arrigo Marchiori
 wrote:

I agree, but how many 4.1.X versions do we want to publish
before 4.2.0?
Now that we support two digits, please let us not point to
4.1.99 ! ;-)


FWIW, I tend to agree. We fixed the bug. Maybe its not the best
solution, but I don't see why we should continue to "focus" on
4.1.X at the expense of 4.2.X.

We already made some progress on the Release Blockers for 4.2.0.
But the remaining ones are untouched for long time.

What about a 4.2.0-Dev3? We already planned it when 4.1.10 got
urgent...


So should the push be 4.1.11 or 4.2.0-Dev3?

I don't see a problem to do both?



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Re: What to focus on next

2021-05-27 Thread Marcus

Am 27.05.21 um 19:38 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 27.05.21 um 19:10 schrieb Marcus:

Am 27.05.21 um 16:18 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 27.05.21 um 16:07 schrieb Dave Fisher:

IMO there are a couple more issues like hyperlink protocols to
always allow to look into before 4.1.11 builds. So, if you are
looking to build right now then 4.2.0dev.


Yes, 4.2.0-Dev3 would simply be an official "snapshot" of what we have
in branch AOO42X.

4.1.11 needs a lot more work to be released.


Maybe a thread on the release blockers for 4.2.0?


+1


please not as mails. IMHO this will end in a total mess and nobody is
able to keep the overview. ;-)

Good idea!


Better to create a Confluence page, start with the list of opened and
targeted issues [1]. Then we can discuss which issues we can fix for
4.2.0.


I would simply start with the list of Release Blockers:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?bug_status=CONFIRMED_status=ACCEPTED_status=REOPENED_status=RESOLVED_status=VERIFIED_status=CLOSED=flagtypes.name_id=248770=substring=changeddate%20DESC%2Cbug_id%20DESC_based_on=4.2.0_blocker_requested%2B_format=advanced=---=FIXED=4.2.0_release_blocker


I've started this list:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Blocker+issues+4.2.0

Will now add the classified blockers also.

Marcus




[1]
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced=---_milestone=4.2.0

Marcus




On May 27, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Matthias Seidel
 wrote:

Am 27.05.21 um 15:38 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

On May 21, 2021, at 5:02 AM, Matthias Seidel
 wrote:

Am 14.05.21 um 18:56 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

On May 14, 2021, at 1:27 AM, Arrigo Marchiori
 wrote:

I agree, but how many 4.1.X versions do we want to publish
before 4.2.0?
Now that we support two digits, please let us not point to
4.1.99 ! ;-)


FWIW, I tend to agree. We fixed the bug. Maybe its not the best
solution, but I don't see why we should continue to "focus" on
4.1.X at the expense of 4.2.X.

We already made some progress on the Release Blockers for 4.2.0.
But the remaining ones are untouched for long time.

What about a 4.2.0-Dev3? We already planned it when 4.1.10 got
urgent...


So should the push be 4.1.11 or 4.2.0-Dev3?

I don't see a problem to do both?



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Re: What to focus on next

2021-05-27 Thread Marcus

Am 27.05.21 um 16:18 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 27.05.21 um 16:07 schrieb Dave Fisher:

IMO there are a couple more issues like hyperlink protocols to always allow to 
look into before 4.1.11 builds. So, if you are looking to build right now then 
4.2.0dev.


Yes, 4.2.0-Dev3 would simply be an official "snapshot" of what we have
in branch AOO42X.

4.1.11 needs a lot more work to be released.


Maybe a thread on the release blockers for 4.2.0?


+1


please not as mails. IMHO this will end in a total mess and nobody is 
able to keep the overview. ;-)


Better to create a Confluence page, start with the list of opened and 
targeted issues [1]. Then we can discuss which issues we can fix for 4.2.0.


[1] 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced=---_milestone=4.2.0


Marcus




On May 27, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Am 27.05.21 um 15:38 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

On May 21, 2021, at 5:02 AM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Am 14.05.21 um 18:56 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

On May 14, 2021, at 1:27 AM, Arrigo Marchiori  wrote:

I agree, but how many 4.1.X versions do we want to publish before 4.2.0?
Now that we support two digits, please let us not point to 4.1.99 ! ;-)


FWIW, I tend to agree. We fixed the bug. Maybe its not the best solution, but I don't see 
why we should continue to "focus" on 4.1.X at the expense of 4.2.X.

We already made some progress on the Release Blockers for 4.2.0.
But the remaining ones are untouched for long time.

What about a 4.2.0-Dev3? We already planned it when 4.1.10 got urgent...


So should the push be 4.1.11 or 4.2.0-Dev3?

I don't see a problem to do both?



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Re: ReactOS and AOO

2021-05-17 Thread Marcus

Am 17.05.21 um 15:59 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

ReactOS [1] has made some great improvements lately and I decided to
install it in VirtualBox and test AOO.
The App Manager only has AOO 4.1.5 listed, so I created a Pull Request
to update the database [2].

AOO still has some repaint issues but I really like the combination...

[1] https://reactos.org/
[2] https://github.com/reactos/rapps-db/pull/138


that's great news. Thanks for this.

Do you think that it is possible to get this improved in the near 
future? Then we could add this OS to the list of possible operating 
systems - even when we do not actively support this platform.


Marcus


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Re: Draft of new Templatew for Release Notes

2021-05-16 Thread Marcus

Am 15.05.21 um 18:49 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

Here is a link to a PDF of a draft of the Release Notes Template on
Confluence. The original intent of the template was to create a
consistent and professional look and feel to the documentation we
present to the public.

A number of changes have been made and I welcome all comments and
suggestions on format, wording, and grammar. The PDF can be found at the
Following link: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMYmStvrJNJgQRZMOphRisXB35X


please delete the link to the .../download/other.html webpage as it is 
no longer existing. It's now only a redirect to the main download page.


Furthermore the info text at the top "it's not released yet ..." can be 
changed to a colored box which is more visible (insert the macro "warning").


I've done the changes already for the AOO 4.1.11 page but not for the 
template.


Marcus


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Re: Draft of new Templatew for Release Notes

2021-05-16 Thread Marcus

Am 16.05.21 um 14:33 schrieb Dick Groskamp:


On 2021/05/15 16:49:46, "Keith N. McKenna"  wrote:

Here is a link to a PDF of a draft of the Release Notes Template on
Confluence. The original intent of the template was to create a
consistent and professional look and feel to the documentation we
present to the public.

A number of changes have been made and I welcome all comments and
suggestions on format, wording, and grammar. The PDF can be found at the
Following link: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMYmStvrJNJgQRZMOphRisXB35X


came across the following issues:
___
link  Apache OpenOffice - should be HTTPS


to shorten this:

IMHO every link should be HTTPS.

Marcus


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Re: Release Notes for AOO 4.1.11

2021-05-15 Thread Marcus

Am 15.05.21 um 18:29 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

On 2021-05-14 10:04, Marcus wrote:

Keith, thanks for creating new notes.

I've added a missing space to the headline.
Also moved it to the previously created release schedule, sorry haven't
told about it yet.

I remember that you wanted to create a new template structure for the
release notes. Is this already done? Or is it coming later?


This reflects the new template structure. I will also be sending a link
to a PDF file for all to comment on under its own thread.


Confluence is a Wiki system where everybody can do changes. And you can 
add comments - for the whole page or just select some specific text, and 
click the comment icon on the mouse tip.


Do you see a further advantage with a PDF that the above doesn't fulfill 
yet? Please note that attachments to mailing lists are mostly not possible.


Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Quick poll: can we rename the INCLUDE and LIB variables in Makefiles?

2021-05-15 Thread Marcus

Am 14.05.21 um 21:56 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

I would go for option A- because option B- would lead to _very_ long
command lines and I would expect problems.

But would I stomp on anyone's feet if I did that? Would it be bad
practice? Would it violate any standards?

I am open to suggestions and criticism. Please let me hear your
opinion!


I'm not a core developer, so I don't know the details. However, renaming 
such essential keywords like "INCLUDE" and "LIB" is indeed a heavy change.


IMHO it's the same like switching the build system to gmake, scons or 
whatever. It has to be done very carefully and would be an enormous 
obstacle for us. There are f...cking many makefiles that need to be 
changed. We have tried to change the build system more than one time and 
both were not done until the end.


So, now we have a mix of 3-4 build systems inside the code. With a mix 
of renamed keywords it won't get easier to maintain the code and even 
not for new vontuneers to understand this.


What is currently used for building on Windows?
Any (good) need to chnge thisto VS 2015?

Who should do this change and is there a guarantee that the person is 
doing it until the end?


Is it for sure that this is only influencing how we can build on Windows 
or has it any side effects on the other platforms? If so, renaming is 
more than a normal obstacle.


We need to discuss and decide this very detailed and carefully.

Sorry for these strong words and questions. However, my gut feeling says 
"this is not a good idea".


My 2 ct.

Marcus

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Release Notes for AOO 4.1.11

2021-05-14 Thread Marcus

Keith, thanks for creating new notes.

I've added a missing space to the headline.
Also moved it to the previously created release schedule, sorry haven't 
told about it yet.


I remember that you wanted to create a new template structure for the 
release notes. Is this already done? Or is it coming later?


Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-05-14 Thread Marcus

Am 14.05.21 um 10:19 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Arrigo,

Am 14.05.21 um 07:27 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

Hello Carl, all,

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 07:23:16PM -0400, Carl Marcum wrote:

[...]


Hopefully we can collect the exceptions in the BZ issue noted in this thread
and then agree on the direction.

The few I see so far are:
1. in-document links beginning with #.
2. .uno:XXX links
3. Links to local files.

I think all 3 are candidates but that's just me.

@Arrigo, were you planning on a PR for AOO41X ?

If not, I can try at least some of it but again I'm not really a C++ guy yet
:)

I suggest we make up our minds on the intended solution first, and
then start coding it. We have seen some interesting proposals, some of
which were quite complex (adding configuration settings, dialogs etc).

The three categories listed above would be candidates for
whitelisting, and this would be the quickest fix. But someone fluent
in UNO should first ensure all of us that no.2 is not going to reopen
any other backdoors!

Maybe this topic is worth a discussion with vote, the Apache way? So
we get our roadmap fixed.


There is also the suggestion (Dave's maybe?) that we add the 3
security levels (that are already in the code) for links to the UI
settings and let the user lock it down or open it up from where it is
now.

Yes, I was referring to this and to Peter's ideas.


Yes, but that will only work for trunk/AOO42X since we need to update
the translations too.

I agree, but how many 4.1.X versions do we want to publish before 4.2.0?
Now that we support two digits, please let us not point to 4.1.99 ! ;-)


As "soon" as all Release Blocker are fixed we can release 4.2.0 ;-)


yes, the goal is easy but to reach it that is the challenge.

Marcus


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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-05-14 Thread Marcus

Am 14.05.21 um 07:27 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 07:23:16PM -0400, Carl Marcum wrote:

[...]

I suggest we make up our minds on the intended solution first, and
then start coding it. We have seen some interesting proposals, some of
which were quite complex (adding configuration settings, dialogs etc).


+1

Otherwise we may need more time with improving the fix again and again.

A little Confluence page could be really helpful to collect the possible 
ways and with a column to express our all favorite way.


Marcus


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Re: [openoffice-org] branch main updated: Reworked the entries for 'brand.html' to use the general English text when no translation is available, to lower the effort for updating the website for new r

2021-05-13 Thread Marcus

Am 04.05.21 um 21:57 schrieb Marcus:

Am 04.05.21 um 21:49 schrieb Dave Fisher:

We would likely split the announce off from the brand.

type=brand
home=home
search=buscar
selectedlang=ast
language=Llingua
name=Apache OpenOffice
tagline=La suite de productividá abierta y llibre
logo=AOO_logos/AOO4_website_logo.png
domain=https://www.openoffice.org
divid=bannera
~~

type=annouce
announce=Espublizada Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10
announceurl=https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.10+Release+Notes 


announcetip=Espublizada Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10
~~

announce.gsp:
title="${content.announcetip}">${content.announce}


In page.gsp:
Follow    
With: 

Re: Start working on AOO 4.1.11?

2021-05-13 Thread Marcus

Am 13.05.21 um 07:50 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

can someone please allow setting '4.1.11' as 'Target Milestone' on
BugZilla?

I would like to set it on
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128453


done

marcus


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Re: Hyperlink Warning Message

2021-05-12 Thread Marcus

Am 12.05.21 um 22:12 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

please allow me to top-post as I just need a ``public reminder''.

An Italian user reported another problem [1]: they have links that
point _to the same document_ and trigger the warning.

Even if you do not understand Italian, you can download the attachment
and look at what the buttons do.

URLs are in the form: "#anchor". Therefore, we should remember to
whitelist all links starting with "#", whatever design choice we make.


yes, good point.


Would not it be nice to file a BugZilla issue to collect all the
reports and URLs, as it happened for other ``popular'' bugs?

1: https://forum.openoffice.org/it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9=11231


I don't think that we need another issue for the problem. Why not using 
this one [2] and extend it by comments which URL parts we also want to 
consider:


[2] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128453

Marcus


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Re: OOo:eo Localization page

2021-05-12 Thread Marcus
I would say, let's going on in the mail thread in @L10n. Otherwise it's 
just double postings. ;-)


Marcus



Am 12.05.21 um 11:33 schrieb Dean.Webber:

I have updated the "main" page for the Esperanto (EO) language. The html code 
is available at https://justpaste.it/8yuud for upload.

The pages have mostly been translated using translate.yandex.com with help from 
en.bab.la/dictionary/english-esperanto/ for the remaining few.

This will still point to the english version of the downloads page, as the 
Esperanto version has been relocated for housekeeping purposes.

If someone could upload this, I can make sure that it looks as it should when 
sitting in the correct location.

As a final check I can translate it back to English, to ensure that the meaning 
has not changed significantly.


I was not sure how the language detection in the page operates, but I set the variable 
for language to "eo" on line 271, is that sufficient?


The original was based from the English (en-GB) version found from 
www.openoffice.org/?redirect=soft<http://www.openoffice.org/?redirect=soft> and clicking 
on "This site is also available in English (en-GB). Just click this text to get 
redirected.". The soft redirect message appears when changing from another language back 
to English.

From: Aivaras Stepukonis 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2021 1:23 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: OOo:eo Localization page

Thank for the link, Marcus!

Yes, as long as the visitors are informed they can help with
localization, keeping the website up to date by removing from sight the
bits that are unmaintained is an appropriate QA step.

Aivaras

2021-05-11 14:01, Marcus rašė:

Am 11.05.21 um 11:35 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:

On the subject of unmaintained, untranslated local webpages.

One should start with a simple set of criteria that allows to
determine what is/is not unmaintained. Something like:

1. incomplete page translation;
2. outdated page layout/design.


the criteria are summarized here:
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fprojects%2Fnative-lang.htmldata=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C6379c6930f444b8bf8c008d9148007f2%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C1%7C637563362414144036%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=DEnEpvYDuzBAw0qhtWplPWqHwMSd8p56Btwk6S0bDXI%3Dreserved=0


Then one would archive the pages that fall under the above criteria.
The visitors coming from the locales of the unlocalized pages would
instead be directed to the main page with a message "If you can help
translating this page into your native language, let us know!"


This is already done in a slightly different way:
- Pages have English text
- A big, red box with text similar to yours but just a bit more.
- No redirection to the main page

Marcus




2021-05-11 02:07, Marcus rašė:

Am 11.05.21 um 00:18 schrieb Dean.Webber:

How many localization pages need to be translated? How many pages
are 'not maintained'?


the default set has ~40 pages. But I haven't counted the total
amount of words or sentences.


Depending on the extend of the pages, we can adopt a translate
service (which will have some cost attached). For example to
translate 100 pages of similar character length using the yandex
translate api will cost $5.00/month (assuming USD).


Hm, costs are always not a good argument. OpenOffice is made by
volunteers. The same should apply to the creation and maintenance of
webpages or documentation in general.

I don't know the quality of translated languages of Yandex or
others. But I know Google Translate and its quality is ...
improvable. ;-)


Otherwise perhaps a list of these pages can be left for those that
are new recruits, or looking for something to do. So, if they chose
too, they can spend some time working on localizations or
translations. They can then use a translate service (for free) to
convert from the sources to the localization language.

This may result in poor quality translation, but enough for people
to get the general idea, and a good starting point for native
language speakers to modify pages.


As written previously the pages are unmaintained for years. There
are no volunteers that would take care of it. So, translating a part
of it and then others can do the remaining stuff will not come true.

Very seldom we get a mail that someone has seen a message like you
can see here in the red box [1]. We give them a few hints and how
and where to start with translation and then ... noting more. Thats
all.


But honestly, I have no idea of the scale of the localization pages.


The problem is that there is nobody who can take care of these
pages. The effort for a few or even one person is enormous. I mean
the project people. Volunteers of course would takeover only one
language.

I don't want to be seen as carrier o

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