Re: OpenOffice-org Staging Site Published

[Marcus]

Am 23.07.24 um 20:01 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenOffice/job/OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build/901/console


when comparing both console output:

Build #890 - Success:
https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenOffice/job/OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build/890/consoleFull
...
 > git --version # 'git version 2.34.1'
...
 > git fetch --tags --force --progress -- 
https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice-org.git 
+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* # timeout=10

...

Build #901 - Error:
https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenOffice/job/OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build/901/console
...
 > git --version # 'git version 2.17.1'
...
 > git fetch --tags --progress -- 
https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice-org.git 
+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* # timeout=10

...

Two different Git versions are used and the get fetch commands are 
different, from there the problem starts. Anyway, I think only Infra can 
help here.


My 2 ct.

Marcus




Am 23.07.24 um 18:48 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Do we have a problem with gitbox <-> github synchronization?

Am 23.07.24 um 18:46 schrieb Apache Jenkins Server:
OpenOffice » OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build - Build # 894 - Still 
Failing:


Check console output at 
https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenOffice/job/OpenOffice-org-Staging-Site-Build/894/ to view the results.



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Re: What happened to our document repository for type detection tests?

[Marcus]

Am 22.06.24 um 14:53 schrieb Bidouille:

I remember from old time that the QA team at Sun/Oracle had really a
lot of documents for general and special testing.

These were not part of the code repository and were loaded from their
own test software. Maybe this is the link to the storage outside of
the project.


If you have an URL, you can try to get with the WayBack machine
https://wayback-api.archive.org/


they were stored on an internal server.

Marcus


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Re: What happened to our document repository for type detection tests?

[Marcus]

Am 22.06.24 um 03:56 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

...

Those documents are not in Git, and were never in trunk.

It would be good if we could get those documents back and continue testing
them.

Does anyone know what happened to them?


I remember from old time that the QA team at Sun/Oracle had really a lot 
of documents for general and special testing.


These were not part of the code repository and were loaded from their 
own test software. Maybe this is the link to the storage outside of the 
project.


When these documents were not part of the handover to the ASF, then I 
think they are gone.


Marcus


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Re: T-DOSE 2024

[Marcus]

Am 04.06.24 um 14:44 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:

[...]

It was also this year an interesting weekend.


thanks a lot for your efforts that you invest in these events.

Marcus


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Re: New icon theme

[Marcus]

Am 31.05.24 um 18:40 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
However, if someone knows other icons to use, please speak up. 

Another good resource is https://iconify.design/

It is important that the icons share the same style, though.

Perhaps we could settle on a stylistic direction we are happy with from 
what is publicly available, and ask the author to contribute to 
OpenOffice a complete set? There is a chance they might be interested in 
doing this.


In fact, I happen to know the developer of iconify.design personally, I 
could ask for help finding a professional graphics volunteer for this task.


ha, what a great chance. Would be lovely to get such an contribution. Of 
course if it fits.


Marcus




2024-05-31 19:06, Matthias Seidel rašė:

Some may already have seen it, I opened a PR to add a new icon theme.

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/214

This is just a proof of concept. I used icons from Remix because they 
are available and under ALv2:


https://remixicon.com/

However, if someone knows other icons to use, please speak up.

Until we have consensus on this topic the PR will remain a draft open 
for everyone.


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Re: New icon theme

[Marcus]

Am 31.05.24 um 18:06 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Some may already have seen it, I opened a PR to add a new icon theme.

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/214

This is just a proof of concept. I used icons from Remix because they 
are available and under ALv2:


https://remixicon.com/

However, if someone knows other icons to use, please speak up.

Until we have consensus on this topic the PR will remain a draft open 
for everyone.


thanks, looks good. Very minimalist but many people like this style, So, 
it's perfect to have an icon set - in a future release.


PS:
I thought "remix" is a mix of existing icons. ;-)

Marcus


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Re: Apache OpenOffice Downloads - Analyze errors of stable release

[Marcus]

Am 29.05.24 um 05:50 schrieb Rosalind Wright:

https://www.openoffice.org/download/analyze.html

I've got Sonoma 14.4.1 as my operating system and it won't let me download the 
latest version of open office


please try this link:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.15/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.15_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg/download

Marcus


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Re: Apache OpenOffice Downloads - Analyze errors of stable release

[Marcus]

Am 29.05.24 um 05:50 schrieb Rosalind Wright:

https://www.openoffice.org/download/analyze.html

I've got Sonoma 14.4.1 as my operating system and it won't let me download the 
latest version of open office


please try this link:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.15/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.15_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg/download

Marcus


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Re: ?subject=Reporting%20broken%20download%20link

[Marcus]

Am 24.05.24 um 01:44 schrieb adams william:

clicked the link just now after your email

still got this

This site can’t be reached
The webpage at 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.15/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.15_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download
 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web 
address.


when both links - the SourceForge site and even the site which is hosted 
and manged by Apache itself - fails to download but other users can 
download, then I don't see a problem on our side. Especially also when 
it seems that you have problems with your clock setting somewhere in the 
Windows setup.


Some hints for more help:
- Have you tried just one alternative mirror site via the grey "Problems 
Downloading?" button? Or some more or maybe all?
- Do you have tried to download the software from another PC and copied 
the downloaded file to you XP computer?



trying to get something for winxp but it seems to not respond to winxp and 
chrome
any other ways to get that software?  or did you all give up on xp updates.


If you are still using Windows XP then I strongly recommend to consider 
the mail from D W from today. XP was given up by Microsoft in 2014 which 
is now 10 years ago!


Therefore we also don't develop anymore for Windows XP. Of course you 
can use Apache OpenOffice on such systems. However, when something is 
not working correctly then we are sorry but cannot help anymore.


I hope this helps.

Marcus




________
From: Marcus [marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 23:21
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; adams william
Subject: Re: ?subject=Reporting%20broken%20download%20link

I've downloaded from both websites a second ago and haven't seen a
problem. So, in general it's working.

When you have problems with specific mirror servers then just change
them. On the SourceForge webpage there is a grey "Problems Downloading?"
button. Just click on it and choose a different mirror from the popup
dialog.

HTH

Marcus



Am 23.05.24 um 04:58 schrieb adams william:

dl failed -  site not found
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.15/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.15_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download

using winxpsp3 latest chrome for winxpsp3

This site can’t be reached
The webpage at 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.15/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.15_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download
 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web 
address.
ERR_SPDY_PROTOCOL_ERROR

-

also both alternate sites failed

https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.15/binaries/

Your clock is ahead
A private connection to downloads.apache.org can't be established because your 
computer's date and time (Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 2:51:25 AM) are incorrect. 
NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID

[nonsense.  my clock is accurate to the time zone used]



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Re: ?subject=Reporting%20broken%20download%20link

[Marcus]

I've downloaded from both websites a second ago and haven't seen a 
problem. So, in general it's working.


When you have problems with specific mirror servers then just change 
them. On the SourceForge webpage there is a grey "Problems Downloading?" 
button. Just click on it and choose a different mirror from the popup 
dialog.


HTH

Marcus



Am 23.05.24 um 04:58 schrieb adams william:

dl failed -  site not found
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.15/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.15_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download

using winxpsp3 latest chrome for winxpsp3

This site can’t be reached
The webpage at 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.15/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.15_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download
 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web 
address.
ERR_SPDY_PROTOCOL_ERROR

-

also both alternate sites failed

https://downloads.apache.org/openoffice/4.1.15/binaries/

Your clock is ahead
A private connection to downloads.apache.org can't be established because your 
computer's date and time (Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 2:51:25 AM) are incorrect. 
NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID

[nonsense.  my clock is accurate to the time zone used]



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Re: Bugzilla Improvement to fix confusion Fwd: New Open Office account?

[Marcus]

Am 27.03.24 um 23:21 schrieb Dave Fisher:

It seems that it has become difficult to create a bugzilla account and we need 
to update our guidance/

I think that at a minimum we should:

1. Change the footer text on our bugzilla that reads

"In case of problems with the functioning of Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla, 
please contact aoo-bugzilla-ad...@apache.org. Please Note:this e-mail address is 
only for reporting problems with Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla. Mail about any 
other subject will be silently ignored.”

To

“For additional information about this Bugzilla instance including requesting an 
account please see [about Bug 
Tracking](https://openoffice.apache.org/bug-tracking.html 
<https://openoffice.apache.org/bug-tracking.html>}’

2. We can then add improvements to the bug-tracking page at any time.


first we should clarify if we want to use the existing description Wiki 
page [1] or to add much text to the projects page [2].



Anything else?


I don't see any setting in the admin sections of Bugzilla. So, I think 
we need the Infra team to change the text.


[1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/HowToFileIssue
[2] https://openoffice.apache.org/bug-tracking.html

Marcus




Begin forwarded message:

From: David 
Subject: Re: New Open Office account?
Date: March 27, 2024 at 2:43:00 PM PDT
To: us...@openoffice.apache.org
Reply-To: us...@openoffice.apache.org

The account creation page  with that information seems to have been disabled; 
however that email address aoo-bugzilla-ad...@apache.org is also referenced in 
the footer on every page on Bugzilla.

Dave Fisher wrote:

Try sysad...@openoffice.apache.org <mailto:sysad...@openoffice.apache.org>

If you could also identify the url where you see that notice and send that as 
well.

Best,
Dave


On Mar 27, 2024, at 4:57 AM, john silver  wrote:

How would one go about getting a New Open Office account to submit bugs or suggestions? 
previously when I went to get a new account it said "User account creation has been 
disabled." and that I need to send an email to aoo-bugzilla-ad...@apache.org but 
when I sent the email it came back with a failure notice.



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Re: MS Office 2010+ "Agile" encrypted OOXML documents are working now!

[Marcus]

Am 16.03.24 um 12:12 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

That sounds great!

If nobody is faster than me I will cherry-pick your commit to AOO42X 
tomorrow.


Thank you for your massive work.


also from me a big thank you. Keep up the good work!

Marcus




Am 16.03.24 um 04:49 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

Hi

Bug 118236 with 7 votes, the inability to open password-protected
(encrypted) OOXML files from MS Office 2010+, is now fixed in trunk :-)

---snip---
commit 506fa58b1970084a0caacb50b3a805e469be4756 (HEAD -> trunk,
origin/trunk, origin/HEAD)
Author: Damjan Jovanovic 
Date:   Sat Mar 2 18:47:05 2024 +0200

 Implement the (MS Office 2010+) OOXML "Agile encryption" support, so
that we
 can open such password-protected OOXML files.

 Adds all the Agile encryption XML tokens and namespaces, and 
parses the

XML
 from EncryptionInfo stream, gets OpenOffice to recognize the file is
encrypted
 and ask for a password, and successfully decrypts the file if 
password

is
 correct.

 Also a number of other fixes and improvements:
 - Sorted main/oox/source/token/tokens.txt so it's in alphabetical 
order

   (wrong order might have broken certain tokens?).
 - Refactored how OOXML encryption is generally handled. It's now 
in its

   own file.
 - Added logging to the FilterDetect class. It logs to the 
office-wide

default
   logger.
 - Added a flush() method to the BinaryXOutputStream class.
 - Changed FilterDetect to use XMultiComponentFactory and
XComponentContext
   instead of the deprecated XMultiServiceFactory.
 - Error handling was generally improved.
 - Exception safety and some memory safety (::std::vector instead of
new[])
   in all the new code. Memory leaks should not be possible.

 Much of the code involved in the decryption was ported from the
excellent
 Apache POI project, so it's been credited in our NOTICE file.

 Patch by: me
---snip---


It took much longer than I expected:

The MS-OFFCRYPTO specification was unclear, and plain wrong in some 
parts,
eg. "SHA-1" in the spec but "SHA1" in actual OOXML documents; I've 
made our

code support both.

The "Standard" encryption from MS Office 2007 that we already 
supported was
itself a mess, and much work was needed to refactor and clean up that 
code

before the "Agile" encryption could also be added.

Then XML parsing had to be added, since Agile encryption specifies 
settings

in XML instead of binary like Standard encryption did. XML handling in
OpenOffice is pretty outdated, with no support for namespaces, but at 
least

the newer "FastParser" does support namespaces and is in fact very fast
because it converts strings to unique integers, and packs namespaces into
bit fields, for faster comparisons. I ended up updating the main/oox
FastParser to support the new Agile encryption namespaces and elements.

MS-OFFCRYPTO also only describes encryption, not decryption, and since we
can only read OOXML, only decryption matters.

Apache POI code was tremendously helpful in figuring out the decryption
process. Most of the decryption code I added was just ported directly 
from

theirs, and thus I've added Apache POI to our NOTICE file (please check
that I've done it correctly). Also several bugs were figured out by
simultaneously stepping through our code in gdb and their code in 
NetBeans,

and comparing respective values. A big thank you to the Apache POI
developers, whose OOXML support is still better than ours in many ways!

I used OpenSSL for all the message digest and encryption stuff, both
because our MD5 and SHA1 algorithms are broken (bug 127661), and because
Agile encryption requires many digests and ciphers that OpenSSL supports
but we don't.

Anyway, it works now. All encrypted OOXML files should work, eg. text
documents, spreadsheets, presentations, etc.

Other issues I am aware of:
- We only support password encrypted documents. Certificate encrypted
documents: not yet. ODF 1.3 also added certificate encryption, so maybe
that's something we should develop together.
- There are other variations of encryption we still don't support, eg. 
the
"Extensible" encryption, the "RC4 CryptoAPI" encryption, "XOR 
obfuscation",

etc. Apache POI would be a good source for those too. It's unclear to me
how widely those are used, and whether they are worth implementing.
- It may need to be rearchitected when we add OOXML writing.
- A lot of other required cleanups to our code were discovered, will
discuss those separately.

I've squashed all my work into a single commit, so it can be easily
cherry-picked to AOO42X and maybe even AOO41X when people are happy 
with it.


Regards
Damjan



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Re: MIME types for WMF/EMF

[Marcus]

Am 22.02.24 um 20:41 schrieb Pedro Lino:

On 02/22/2024 4:01 PM WET Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:



Should we change the MIME types to "image/wmf" and "image/emf"? We would
presumably also keep aliases like "image/x-wmf" and "image/x-emf". Inkscape
can paste "image/x-emf". Should we keep the existing MIME types as aliases
too, so we can copy and paste to and from LibreOffice?


+1 on changing  the MIME types to improve compatibility with Inkscape and other 
programs.
I'm not sure LO still uses the same types. In my experience copying from LO to 
AOO usually doesn't work that well (at least under Windows)


+1 to change MIME types and keep the aliases.

Marcus


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Re: [Issue 101010] Direct svg or eps export from calc

[Marcus]

The things would show really nice improvements in clipboard functions 
and format offering. Go for it. :-)


Marcus



Am 22.02.24 um 16:50 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

Thank you everyone.

There are still a few further clipboard improvements I have planned, which
I'll elaborate on separately, but briefly:
- it might not work on macOS, and probably needs another patch.
- SVG can be copied out of OpenOffice, but cannot be pasted into OpenOffice
yet.
- Neither can we paste any other vector graphics format from Inkscape. We
might need to change our MIME types for WMF and EMF to image/wmf and
image/emf, also known as image/x-wmf and image/x-emf (which Inkscape uses).
- Only on Windows, can WMF and EMF be copied out of OpenOffice. On other
platforms it uses the wrong MIME types, application/x-openoffice-wmf and
application/x-openoffice-emf, which nothing else supports, so you can't
paste.
- Inkscape doesn't sort its clipboard formats in descending order of
quality (vector graphics formats before raster graphics formats), which is
a bug in Inkscape. But we should handle such buggy apps by looking for
vector graphics formats first, then falling back to raster formats if none
are found. At present PNG is offered before SVG, so we could paste the
worse format first!
- There are probably all kinds of other clipboard improvements I haven't
even thought of yet :-).

Oh and I really like the fact we only offer vector image formats for charts
and drawing on our clipboard at the moment. LO also offers image/png, which
can probably be pasted in a wider number of applications, but will waste
space, and be blurry when zoomed.

Damjan

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 12:36 AM Marcus  wrote:


I hope my commendation is not coming too late. ;-)

I also think that this is a great extension of he clipboard formats.
One reason more to work more on the way forward to AOO 4.2.0.

Marcus



Am 14.02.24 um 16:48 schrieb Dave Fisher:

CC to dev@ for exposure.

I think that this fix is absolutely cool!

Best,
Dave


On Feb 13, 2024, at 8:46 PM, bugzi...@apache.org wrote:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=101010

dam...@apache.org changed:

What|Removed |Added




  CC||dam...@apache.org

--- Comment #2 from dam...@apache.org ---
With bug 112829 fixed, you can directly copy charts from Calc in SVG

format,

but you still need to paste and save them somewhere else.

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Re: [Issue 101010] Direct svg or eps export from calc

[Marcus]

I hope my commendation is not coming too late. ;-)

I also think that this is a great extension of he clipboard formats.
One reason more to work more on the way forward to AOO 4.2.0.

Marcus



Am 14.02.24 um 16:48 schrieb Dave Fisher:

CC to dev@ for exposure.

I think that this fix is absolutely cool!

Best,
Dave


On Feb 13, 2024, at 8:46 PM, bugzi...@apache.org wrote:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=101010

dam...@apache.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||dam...@apache.org

--- Comment #2 from dam...@apache.org ---
With bug 112829 fixed, you can directly copy charts from Calc in SVG format,
but you still need to paste and save them somewhere else.

Is that an acceptable solution?



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Re: Aufnahme Referenzkundenliste

[Marcus]

Am 31.01.24 um 19:30 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 31.01.24 um 17:45 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

Do they want this page updated:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html


That is a list of consultants.

But looking at it it seems very outdated, so we should work on that one, 
too.


Seems to be a generated from XML:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/tree/main/assets/bizdev/consultants



How do we do that?

And let's keep it please.


Most likely he wants to be added to the German OpenOffice.org(!) 
customer list:


https://www.openoffice.org/de/marketing/referenzkunden.html


he speaks about the customer list. So, it's this one.
This is just a HTML file that needs to be updated.

Marcus



On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 4:26 PM Matthias Seidel 


wrote:


Has anyone worked on this?

Or should we remove this list at all?

Regards,

    Matthias
Am 14.11.23 um 19:16 schrieb Florian Dederichs:

Hallo Apache Team,

Wir würden gerne in die Referenzkundenliste aufgenommen werden

Kunde: Operations & Consulting Munich GmbH

Adresse: Baaderstrasse 27a, 80469 München

Kontakt: Florian Dederichs

Bemerkung: Wir benutzen seit unserer Gründung 2017 OpenOffice und sind
extrem zufrieden was den Support und die Leistungen angeht. OpenOffice
beweist dass Open Source Projekte Sinn haben. Homepage:
https://www.ocmconsulting.de/

Herzlichen Dank und weiter so!

Florian Dederichs



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Re: is the list filtering too strict, or what?

[Marcus]

I had to accept your mail, So, I think you are simply not subscribe with 
this mail address to the list.


Marcus



Am 26.01.24 um 10:33 schrieb Yury Tarasievich:
It is the second time my email didn't make it into the list, or, at 
least, into the list archives at 
https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/maillist.html.


The emails were sent (and not returned) on Jan 20 and on Jan 26 (today, 
at about 8:00 UTC).


Wonder if this one would make it.



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Re: odf-1.3 branch pushed, progress update

[Marcus]

Am 16.01.24 um 17:50 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

I've now pushed my "odf-1.3" branch upstream, which has some initial ODF
1.3 compatibility patches, a patch adding a new constraint for the RECEIVED
function, and another to only make the upgrade dialog appear when version >
1.3.

There are 3 useful parts to the ODF 1.3 specification, part 2 dealing with
packaging, part 3 with the OpenDocument schema, and part 4 with
OpenFormula. So far I've mostly been developing part 4. Of the 34 issues
under part 4, 20 are now complete, which means part 4 development is
already 59% complete.


from zero to 59% in a few days. That's great.! :-)


So far only 1 issue needed a code change, and at least 1 more also will,
but the impression I get is that the vast majority of changes were made not
because ODF 1.3 is hugely different from ODF 1.2, but because parts of ODF
1.2 were wrong or ambiguous and they wanted to fix the specification for
the sake of better interoperability with other implementations (probably
Microsoft Office). A lot of the design decisions seem to have been made in
favour of AOO/LO, standardizing on how we already work, leaving us with
little or nothing to change :-).


That's interesting. So, when we want to support ODF 1.3 we just need to 
change / implement little code. That means also that no bigger or many 
problems should occur. At least this is my hope.

Even better.


Confluence has been working surprisingly well.


:-)


Would anyone like to help?


If you mean coding, then you have to teach me C++ first. ;-P
Honestly, here I won't be of any help. Other things depend.

Before we bring this into a release, we should discuss and define how we 
want or should offer the ODF 1.3 support.


My suggestion:

Instead of putting this as a selectable option in the Save dialog, we 
should add this to the other ODF version parts (see menu "Tools - 
Options - Load/Save - General - Default file format and ODF settings").


I don't know how loading is working. But I would expect that the header 
data is read and the ODF version is recognized with some magic numbers.


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Re: ODF 1.3 development

[Marcus]

Am 16.01.24 um 17:32 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

Marcus wrote:
I would like to move the other Wiki content into Confluence as 
management is better there. However, it's may too much for my free time.


Even if you could move it, the mwiki would need to stay active as it 
does not appear that cwiki has a file upload to use it to distribute or 
documentation.


sure, I don't meant to move everything, so that it is empty.
It's more the "normal" documentation on the pages itself. ;-)

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Re: ODF 1.3 development

[Marcus]

Am 14.01.24 um 18:44 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 7:23 PM Marcus  wrote:

Am 12.01.24 um 19:19 schrieb Marcus:

Am 10.01.24 um 06:36 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

[...]

Can someone please create such a Wiki page, or give me access to do so?

[...]


that's a good idea. I'll create a new page in our Confluence Wiki.


please have look here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ODF+1.3+Changes

You should have access to the page, so you can finish the first items
yourself.


Thank you. I was hoping to use Mediawiki. I don't know why anyone uses
Confluence. It's terrible, bloated, slow, expensive, messy, proprietary and
closed source. The ASF is probably only getting it for free as a form of
marketing.


I cannot see the most as disadvantages, especially together with JIRA 
it's great - which we are not using.



Anyway since so much was added to Confluence already, I've decided to
continue there, and have added the part 2 and part 4 tasks as well now, and
updated the items I already looked at.


I would like to move the other Wiki content into Confluence as 
management is better there. However, it's may too much for my free time.


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[SUGGESTION] Don't make the commits too big

[Marcus]

@all AOO developers

In order to prevent problems like this ...
"I need to find a specific code change in a commit big like the Mount 
Everest"

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124285

... we should agree that commits should not be too large. Then a 
regression, missing code part or else is much easier - and faster - to find.


E.g., doing the code changes of this wiki page is one commit should be 
prevented but split in reasonable commits:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ODF+1.3+Changes

What do you think?

Thanks

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Re: ODF 1.3 development

[Marcus]

Am 12.01.24 um 19:19 schrieb Marcus:

Am 10.01.24 um 06:36 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

[...]

Can someone please create such a Wiki page, or give me access to do so?

[...]


that's a good idea. I'll create a new page in our Confluence Wiki.


please have look here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/ODF+1.3+Changes

You should have access to the page, so you can finish the first items 
yourself.


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Re: ODF 1.3 development

[Marcus]

Am 10.01.24 um 06:36 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

[...]

Can someone please create such a Wiki page, or give me access to do so?

[...]


that's a good idea. I'll create a new page in our Confluence Wiki.

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Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.15-RC2 as GA

[Marcus]

Am 15.12.23 um 21:14 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
I don't think we can expect any more votes... Thanks to those who did 
take the time to test!


Quick reminder:

I am only available until December 23.

If we want to release 4.1.15 this year we need to do it soon. Otherwise 
we must postpone it to 2024.


@Jim:
Would you like to close the vote?
Or is there any thing to do on your side?

Thanks

Marcus




Am 07.12.23 um 17:17 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 07.12.23 um 17:13 schrieb Czesław Wolański:


The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:
    [X] yes / +1
    [ ] no / -1

My vote is based on:
    [X] binding (member of PMC)
    [X] I have built and tested the RC from source on Windows 10 64-bit
 en-US (full)
    [X] I have tested the binary RC on Windows 7 and 11 (both 64-bit) 
with

two configurations:
 1. pl (full) + de, en-US, fr (langpack)
 2. en-US (full) + de, fr, pl (langpack).


Can you please post that also in the [VOTE] thread?

I don't think it gets lost here, but "sicher ist sicher"! ;-)


Le jeu. 7 déc. 2023 à 12:04, Matthias Seidel 
 a

écrit :


Am 06.12.23 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:

To push this topic:

I'll find time for testing on Friday or Saturday.

What about others?

And we still have open tasks (even for the easiest things) in our
Release Schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.15

Is there really no big interest in a release here?


Am 28.11.23 um 16:45 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary
community builds of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.15-RC2 as GA.

These artifacts can be found at:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.15-RC2/

Please cast your vote:

The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:
 [ ] yes / +1
 [ ] no / -1

My vote is based on:
 [ ] binding (member of PMC)
 [ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]
 [ ] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.15-RC2 as GA

[Marcus]

Small correction:

Of course it it:

- Windows 10 Home 64-bit 22H2 Build 19045.3570
- Installed AOO 4.1.15m2 (Build 9813 - Rev. 5f13fa0070)



Am 10.12.23 um 14:25 schrieb Marcus:

Am 28.11.23 um 16:45 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:
    [X] yes / +1
    [ ] no / -1

My vote is based on:
    [X] binding (member of PMC)
    [ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]
    [X] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


tested on:
- Windows 10 Home 64-bit 21H2 Build 19045.3570
- Installed AOO 4.1.15m1 (Build 9813 - Rev. 5f13fa0070)

- Installed "de" full install + "ast" langpack
- Switched the UI languages while testing

Checksums:
- Tested checksums for all source tarballs
- Tested checksums for the install + langpack files de, ast

Document tests:
- Existing, older DOC, XLS, PPT documents
- Existing, older DOCX, XLSX, PPTX documents
- Created new docs for Writer, Calc, Impress and opened / edited the 
saved file with all languages


Everything without problems.



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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.15-RC2 as GA

[Marcus]

Am 28.11.23 um 16:45 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:
[X] yes / +1
[ ] no / -1

My vote is based on:
[X] binding (member of PMC)
[ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]
[X] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


tested on:
- Windows 10 Home 64-bit 21H2 Build 19045.3570
- Installed AOO 4.1.15m1 (Build 9813 - Rev. 5f13fa0070)

- Installed "de" full install + "ast" langpack
- Switched the UI languages while testing

Checksums:
- Tested checksums for all source tarballs
- Tested checksums for the install + langpack files de, ast

Document tests:
- Existing, older DOC, XLS, PPT documents
- Existing, older DOCX, XLSX, PPTX documents
- Created new docs for Writer, Calc, Impress and opened / edited the 
saved file with all languages


Everything without problems.

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[DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.15-RC2 as GA

[Marcus]

To push this topic:

I'll find time for testing on Friday or Saturday.

What about others?

Marcus



Am 28.11.23 um 16:45 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary community builds 
of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.15-RC2 as GA.

These artifacts can be found at:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.15-RC2/

Please cast your vote:

The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:
[ ] yes / +1
[ ] no / -1

My vote is based on:
[ ] binding (member of PMC)
[ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]
[ ] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


This vote will be open for 14 days to allow for sufficient time for testing, 
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Re: Pootle Server Update

[Marcus]

Am 23.11.23 um 19:44 schrieb Czesław Wolański:

Le jeu. 23 nov. 2023 à 19:12, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

No reaction on the CouchDB and JMeter dev-lists for 3 weeks...


Long enough to make an informed decision...


Should we disable these projects on our Pootle server? It is just one
click for me... ;-)


"That’s one small step for (a) man. One giant leap for mankind."  ;-)

Just in case: is it reversible?


that would be also my question.

+1 from me when the revert is also easy.

Thanks

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Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.15-RC1 as GA

[Marcus]

Am 11.11.23 um 22:59 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 09:51:42AM +0100, Matthias Seidel wrote:

[...]

@All: There are still a lot of tasks open in our Release Schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.15

If you want to participate, please volunteer!


I subscribed myself for CVE related stuff.

I added a missing task: after the announcement email, send
announcement emails for each new CVE.


That's good. Thanks for that.


I am not sure if I there is a template I should edit, so that this new
task will also be listed in next release schedule pages? There is a
"template" link but it leads to a non-existent page.


In the past we had one but I think it got lost over the time. We use the 
most recent one and copy it in order to get a new one.

I've deleted the template link.

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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.15-RC1 as GA

[Marcus]

Am 01.11.23 um 15:54 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

  The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:
 [X] yes / +1
 [ ] no / -1

  My vote is based on:
 [X] binding (member of PMC)
 [ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]
 [X] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


tested on:
- Windows 10 Home 64-bit 21H2 Build 19045.3570
- Installed AOO 4.1.15m1 (Build 9812 - Rev. 0a12a2c199)

- Installed "en-US" full install + "es" langpack
- Switched the UI languages while testing

Checksums:
- Tested checksums for all source tarballs
- Tested checksums for the install + langpack files de, es

Document tests:
- Existing, older DOC, XLS, PPT documents
- Existing, older DOCX, XLSX, PPTX documents
- Created new docs for Writer, Calc, Impress and opened / edited the 
saved file with all languages


Everything without problems.

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Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.15-RC1 as GA

[Marcus]

At the moment I'm very busy with my daily job and private things.
I hope to have the time on Sunday or Monday.

Sorry for exhaust the vote this time.

Marcus



Am 01.11.23 um 15:54 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

[...]
  This vote will be open for 14 days to allow for sufficient time for testing, 
review, and voting.
[...]


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Re: (openoffice) branch trunk updated: The HTML tag ended with HTML 4, and newer versions of javadoc (Java 17's at least) support HTML 5 tags only. Use instead.

[Marcus]

Am 06.11.23 um 18:50 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

I've now pushed commit 61a74f2854935294cdc5bceabf0de6a4347799ae which
changes that file to use  instead of , which should work far
better, as it's already used in other javadoc comments.


thanks, that's great.
I've commented the mail thread with the  problem.
Maybe we can go on also with that problem.

Marcus




On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 10:06 AM Matthias Seidel 
wrote:


Hi All,

Of course, I could disable building of the SDK to get builds of trunk
again, but this does not solve the problem.

What do we want to do?!

Regards,

 Matthias

Am 31.10.23 um 22:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Damjan,

Am 29.10.23 um 16:44 schrieb dam...@apache.org:

This is an automated email from the ASF dual-hosted git repository.

damjan pushed a commit to branch trunk
in repository https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice.git


The following commit(s) were added to refs/heads/trunk by this push:
   new 872b251390 The  HTML tag ended with HTML 4, and newer
versions of javadoc (Java 17's at least) support HTML 5 tags only.
Use  instead.


This seems to break our buildbot (with Java 8) in module ODK:

https://ci2.apache.org/#/builders/58/builds/689

Regards,

Matthias


872b251390 is described below

commit 872b2513907e4389be70e2d9b563f47e0d2c5a9f
Author: Damjan Jovanovic 
AuthorDate: Sun Oct 29 17:42:38 2023 +0200

  The  HTML tag ended with HTML 4, and newer versions of javadoc
  (Java 17's at least) support HTML 5 tags only. Use  instead.
   Patch by: me
---
   .../star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java| 46
+++---
   1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 23 deletions(-)

diff --git


a/main/javaunohelper/com/sun/star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java

b/main/javaunohelper/com/sun/star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java
index 1fe5cb..9f362fb013 100644
---
a/main/javaunohelper/com/sun/star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java
+++
b/main/javaunohelper/com/sun/star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java
@@ -127,9 +127,9 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
   }
 /**
- * Trims the capacity of this ArrayList instance to be the
+ * Trims the capacity of this ArrayList instance to
be the
* list's current size.  An application can use this operation
to minimize
- * the storage of an ArrayList instance.
+ * the storage of an ArrayList instance.
*/
   synchronized public void trimToSize()
   {
@@ -143,7 +143,7 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
   }
 /**
- * Increases the capacity of this ArrayList instance, if
+ * Increases the capacity of this ArrayList instance, if
* necessary, to ensure  that it can hold at least the number
of elements
* specified by the minimum capacity argument.
*
@@ -167,7 +167,7 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
* Appends the specified element to the end of this list.
*
* @param o element to be appended to this list.
- * @return true (as per the general contract of
Collection.add).
+ * @return true (as per the general contract of
Collection.add).
*/
   synchronized public boolean add(Object o)
   {
@@ -189,7 +189,7 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
* @param index index at which the specified element is to be
inserted.
* @param element element to be inserted.
* @throwsIndexOutOfBoundsException if index is out of range
- *  (index < 0 || index > size()).
+ *  (index < 0 || index > size()).
*/
   synchronized public void add(int index, Object element)
   {
@@ -218,8 +218,8 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
* list is nonempty.)
*
* @param c the elements to be inserted into this list.
- * @throwsIndexOutOfBoundsException if index out of range
(index
- *  < 0 || index > size()).
+ * @throwsIndexOutOfBoundsException if index out of range
(index
+ *  < 0 || index > size()).
*/
   synchronized public boolean addAll(Collection c)
   {
@@ -246,8 +246,8 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
* @param index index at which to insert first element
*from the specified collection.
* @param c elements to be inserted into this list.
- * @throwsIndexOutOfBoundsException if index out of range
(index
- *  < 0 || index > size()).
+ * @throwsIndexOutOfBoundsException if index out of range
(index
+ *  < 0 || index > size()).
*/
   synchronized public boolean addAll(int index, Collection c)
   {
@@ -302,7 +302,7 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
   }
   }
   /**
- * Returns true if this list contain

Re: (openoffice) branch trunk updated: The HTML tag ended with HTML 4, and newer versions of javadoc (Java 17's at least) support HTML 5 tags only. Use instead.

[Marcus]

Am 04.11.23 um 11:05 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
Of course, I could disable building of the SDK to get builds of trunk 
again, but this does not solve the problem.


What do we want to do?!


what is the problem with ?
Does the compiler complain?

Damjan has exchanged  with .
Maybe there is also here an alternativ tag?

Does this help?
https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_tt.asp

PS:
I don't needs answers. I just want to continue the discussion to find a 
solution. ;-)


Thanks

Marcus




Am 31.10.23 um 22:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Damjan,

Am 29.10.23 um 16:44 schrieb dam...@apache.org:

This is an automated email from the ASF dual-hosted git repository.

damjan pushed a commit to branch trunk
in repository https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice.git


The following commit(s) were added to refs/heads/trunk by this push:
  new 872b251390 The  HTML tag ended with HTML 4, and newer 
versions of javadoc (Java 17's at least) support HTML 5 tags only. 
Use  instead.


This seems to break our buildbot (with Java 8) in module ODK:

https://ci2.apache.org/#/builders/58/builds/689

Regards,

   Matthias


872b251390 is described below

commit 872b2513907e4389be70e2d9b563f47e0d2c5a9f
Author: Damjan Jovanovic 
AuthorDate: Sun Oct 29 17:42:38 2023 +0200

 The  HTML tag ended with HTML 4, and newer versions of javadoc
 (Java 17's at least) support HTML 5 tags only. Use  instead.
  Patch by: me
---
  .../star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java    | 46 
+++---

  1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 23 deletions(-)

diff --git 
a/main/javaunohelper/com/sun/star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java b/main/javaunohelper/com/sun/star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java

index 1fe5cb..9f362fb013 100644
--- 
a/main/javaunohelper/com/sun/star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java
+++ 
b/main/javaunohelper/com/sun/star/lib/uno/helper/InterfaceContainer.java

@@ -127,9 +127,9 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
  }
    /**
- * Trims the capacity of this ArrayList instance to be the
+ * Trims the capacity of this ArrayList instance to 
be the
   * list's current size.  An application can use this operation 
to minimize

- * the storage of an ArrayList instance.
+ * the storage of an ArrayList instance.
   */
  synchronized public void trimToSize()
  {
@@ -143,7 +143,7 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
  }
    /**
- * Increases the capacity of this ArrayList instance, if
+ * Increases the capacity of this ArrayList instance, if
   * necessary, to ensure  that it can hold at least the number 
of elements

   * specified by the minimum capacity argument.
   *
@@ -167,7 +167,7 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
   * Appends the specified element to the end of this list.
   *
   * @param o element to be appended to this list.
- * @return true (as per the general contract of 
Collection.add).
+ * @return true (as per the general contract of 
Collection.add).

   */
  synchronized public boolean add(Object o)
  {
@@ -189,7 +189,7 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
   * @param index index at which the specified element is to be 
inserted.

   * @param element element to be inserted.
   * @throws    IndexOutOfBoundsException if index is out of range
- *  (index < 0 || index > size()).
+ *  (index < 0 || index > size()).
   */
  synchronized public void add(int index, Object element)
  {
@@ -218,8 +218,8 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
   * list is nonempty.)
   *
   * @param c the elements to be inserted into this list.
- * @throws    IndexOutOfBoundsException if index out of range 
(index

- *  < 0 || index > size()).
+ * @throws    IndexOutOfBoundsException if index out of range 
(index

+ *  < 0 || index > size()).
   */
  synchronized public boolean addAll(Collection c)
  {
@@ -246,8 +246,8 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
   * @param index index at which to insert first element
   *    from the specified collection.
   * @param c elements to be inserted into this list.
- * @throws    IndexOutOfBoundsException if index out of range 
(index

- *  < 0 || index > size()).
+ * @throws    IndexOutOfBoundsException if index out of range 
(index

+ *  < 0 || index > size()).
   */
  synchronized public boolean addAll(int index, Collection c)
  {
@@ -302,7 +302,7 @@ public class InterfaceContainer implements Cloneable
  }
  }
  /**
- * Returns true if this list contains the specified 
element.
+ * Returns true if this list contains the specified 
element.

   *
   * @param elem element whose pres

Re: Certificate expired in 10 days

[Marcus]

Am 06.11.23 um 09:10 schrieb Bidouille:

End of certificate for *.openoffice.org: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:59:59 GMT
Anyone take care of this?


thanks for the hint.
There is an automatic process for renewal that should run this week.

Marcus


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Re: Ukrainian Website

[Marcus]

Am 25.10.23 um 12:19 schrieb Ворошило Олексій:
With pleasure and thanks to you too, Matthias, your participation is 
invaluable!


thanks a lot to you both for localization and integration.

It's great to see that our main webpages are now also available in 
Ukrainian language.


Marcus




25.10.2023 12:52, Matthias Seidel:

Just FYI:

We managed to get the Ukrainian website translated:

https://www.openoffice.org/uk/

Thanks again to Oleksiy for his continuous work!



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Re: "Roadmap"

[Marcus]

Am 17.10.23 um 16:52 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 05.10.23 um 16:50 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

Matthias Seidel wrote:


I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

  - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in 
good condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" 
fixed on some Linux distribution.


  - Start on removing the blocker for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan 
already fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.

    Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?

  After the release of AOO 4.1.15 we should have the AOO41X branch 
ready for an "urgent" release, but otherwise concentrate on AOO42X.


I expect a long testing phase for AOO 4.2.0 because of the new 
translations, new code (in parts 10 years old, but never released to 
the public) and expected problems with user profiles when updating.


What do you think?


Regarding a 4.1.15 release: I am ready when you are!

That said, I will not be available between Christmas and New Year. ;-)

The Release Schedule is already open for volunteers:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.15


I've put my name to many tasks.
However, there are still many tasks for more volunteers.

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Re: Add Mongolian to Pootle?

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Am 12.10.23 um 14:57 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 11.10.23 um 20:38 schrieb Marcus:

Am 11.10.23 um 18:49 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

Matthias Seidel wrote:


I see a lot of activity at the Mongolian dictionary.

Should we add Mongolian to Pootle to enable translation?

We could try to import some strings from our source:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/tree/trunk/extras/l10n/source/mn


does someone know how much is already translated (UI + help)?


Looking at the file size I would expect about 30% (overall) to be 
translated. But we only finally know, when we import the SDF.


I hope that we can make use of the SDF file. I would love to support 
more languages.


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Re: Add Mongolian to Pootle?

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Am 12.10.23 um 01:00 schrieb David Robley:

On 2023-10-12 05:08, Marcus wrote:

Am 11.10.23 um 18:49 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

Matthias Seidel wrote:


I see a lot of activity at the Mongolian dictionary.

Should we add Mongolian to Pootle to enable translation?

We could try to import some strings from our source:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/tree/trunk/extras/l10n/source/mn


does someone know how much is already translated (UI + help)?

+1. Would be a way of demonstrating our commitment to supporting 
non-G-20 languages.


that's right. Even when the translated parts are way below 100 %.

We have only a few languages that do not belong to G20 members:
Esperanto, Hebrew, Khmer, Serbian [Cyrillic], Tamil, Thai, Vietnamese


What do you means with G-20 languages?

 G20 is often used to reference the Group of 20 - 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G20


OK, these G20.

In general, we shouldn't forget that we care about languages, not countries.

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Re: Add Mongolian to Pootle?

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Am 11.10.23 um 18:49 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

Matthias Seidel wrote:


I see a lot of activity at the Mongolian dictionary.

Should we add Mongolian to Pootle to enable translation?

We could try to import some strings from our source:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/tree/trunk/extras/l10n/source/mn


does someone know how much is already translated (UI + help)?

+1. Would be a way of demonstrating our commitment to supporting 
non-G-20 languages.


What do you means with G-20 languages?

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Re: Ugly UI [Was: "Roadmap"]

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Am 06.10.23 um 22:07 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 07:18:37PM +0200, Marcus wrote:


Am 06.10.23 um 18:39 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 18:31:01 +0200
Marcus  wrote:


Am 06.10.23 um 18:02 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Hi Matthias


On 10/06/2023 3:44 PM WEST Matthias Seidel  wrote:



Does it mean we need to include this library in the installer?


Either bundle it (when possible) or include instructions in the Release
Notes.


If it's not possible to bundle it (due to the *Open* Source license!) would it 
be possible to create a library dependency (or something similar) so that it is 
automatically installed after?


I hope so, as this is a good way to get it installed when necessary.


Adding manual instructions is a further complication. OpenOffice has mostly 
been abandoned by Linux users, adding further separate requirements is adding 
another reason not to install it...


Nevertheless is a hint is helpful. ;-)
Therefore I've create new release notes for 4.1.15 and add a text at the
end "For Linux Users":

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.15+Release+Notes


+1 for mentioning it in the release notes.


Help needed:
I know how to check and install the library via RPM. But how to do it
with the DEB package system?


Typically in a deb system the install command for package.deb is

sudo dpkg -i package.deb


I'd rather suggest:

sudo apt install libgdk-pixbuf-xlib-2.0-0

On Debian-based systems, apt fetches the package from the
distribution's archives, together with any missing dependencies, and
then install it.  It's more like the dnf comand.

dpkg only works on packages you already downloaded.
It's like the rpm command.


OK, as I've used dnf for RPMs I've now also used apt for DEBs.

@All:
Please have a look if that psart of text is OK or what should be written 
in another way.


Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Ugly UI [Was: "Roadmap"]

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Am 06.10.23 um 18:39 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 18:31:01 +0200
Marcus  wrote:


Am 06.10.23 um 18:02 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Hi Matthias


On 10/06/2023 3:44 PM WEST Matthias Seidel  wrote:



Funny, I *thought* I already did that...
But yes, that solves the problem. Thank you!
   
Maybe I missed your previous solution. Sorry!



Does it mean we need to include this library in the installer?


Either bundle it (when possible) or include instructions in the Release
Notes.


If it's not possible to bundle it (due to the *Open* Source license!) would it 
be possible to create a library dependency (or something similar) so that it is 
automatically installed after?


I hope so, as this is a good way to get it installed when necessary.


Adding manual instructions is a further complication. OpenOffice has mostly 
been abandoned by Linux users, adding further separate requirements is adding 
another reason not to install it...


Nevertheless is a hint is helpful. ;-)
Therefore I've create new release notes for 4.1.15 and add a text at the
end "For Linux Users":

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.15+Release+Notes

Help needed:
I know how to check and install the library via RPM. But how to do it
with the DEB package system?



Typically in a deb system the install command for package.deb is

sudo dpkg -i package.deb


thanks, than I use dkpg -l to check for the package.

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Re: Ugly UI [Was: "Roadmap"]

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Am 06.10.23 um 18:02 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Hi Matthias


On 10/06/2023 3:44 PM WEST Matthias Seidel  wrote:



Funny, I *thought* I already did that...
But yes, that solves the problem. Thank you!
  
Maybe I missed your previous solution. Sorry!



Does it mean we need to include this library in the installer?


Either bundle it (when possible) or include instructions in the Release
Notes.


If it's not possible to bundle it (due to the *Open* Source license!) would it 
be possible to create a library dependency (or something similar) so that it is 
automatically installed after?


I hope so, as this is a good way to get it installed when necessary.


Adding manual instructions is a further complication. OpenOffice has mostly 
been abandoned by Linux users, adding further separate requirements is adding 
another reason not to install it...


Nevertheless is a hint is helpful. ;-)
Therefore I've create new release notes for 4.1.15 and add a text at the 
end "For Linux Users":


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.15+Release+Notes

Help needed:
I know how to check and install the library via RPM. But how to do it 
with the DEB package system?


Thanks

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Re: Ugly UI [Was: "Roadmap"]

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Am 06.10.23 um 16:44 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 06.10.23 um 12:56 schrieb Pedro Lino:


This does solve the UI problem.


Funny, I *thought* I already did that...

But yes, that solves the problem. Thank you!


oh f**k, what a difference. :-O

Arrigo, thanks for this great hint.

Matthias, thanks for the screenshot. Somehow I don't got the difference 
compared to my older Fedora installlation from last year.



Does it mean we need to include this library in the installer?


Maybe ...


Either bundle it (when possible) or include instructions in the Release 
Notes.


... at least a new paragraph for this would be very helpful.


Marcus




On 10/06/2023 9:56 AM WEST Arrigo Marchiori  wrote:

Hello All,

On Thu, Oct 05, 2023 at 11:49:34PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:


Am 05.10.23 um 23:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Marcus,

Am 05.10.23 um 23:17 schrieb Marcus:

Am 05.10.23 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 05.10.23 um 21:06 schrieb Marcus:

Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

   - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch
AOO41X is in good condition, but personally I would like
to have the "ugly UI" fixed on some Linux distribution.

I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ
issue(s) at hand?
No, I think it was discussed on a user list but more or less 
ignored.


I only recently moved from Ubuntu 16.04 to 22.04 and discovered
the "ugly UI". But everyone using a newer distribution with
Gnome should probably see it.

I've Fedora 36 with Gnome 43.1.
How / where can I see what you mean?

Found a screenshot...

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/bildschirmfoto_vom_2023-08-05_13-16-38.png

According to:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103671
the solution is: install the libgdk-pixbuf-xlib package.

On Ubuntu Jammy, it is named libgdk-pixbuf-xlib-2.0-0

I hope this helps.



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Re: "Roadmap"

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Am 05.10.23 um 21:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 05.10.23 um 21:06 schrieb Marcus:

Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

  - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in 
good condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" 
fixed on some Linux distribution.


I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ issue(s) at 
hand?


No, I think it was discussed on a user list but more or less ignored.

I only recently moved from Ubuntu 16.04 to 22.04 and discovered the 
"ugly UI". But everyone using a newer distribution with Gnome should 
probably see it.


I've Fedora 36 with Gnome 43.1.
How / where can I see what you mean?

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: "Roadmap"

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Am 05.10.23 um 15:23 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I would like to collect ideas for some kind of roadmap for AOO:

  - Release AOO 4.1.15 before the end of 2023. Branch AOO41X is in good 
condition, but personally I would like to have the "ugly UI" fixed on 
some Linux distribution.


I've no discussions about this in mind. Do you have the BZ issue(s) at hand?

  - Start on removing the blocker for AOO 4.2.0 (in fact Damjan already 
fixed two with one commit) with a release date 2024 in mind.


Even when it's - very likely? - just by accident ;-) , it's nevertheless 
a great start. I hope that we can go on with fixing all.



    Maybe we could release AOO420-dev5 to the public in early 2024?


+1

  After the release of AOO 4.1.15 we should have the AOO41X branch ready 
for an "urgent" release, but otherwise concentrate on AOO42X.


Yes

I expect a long testing phase for AOO 4.2.0 because of the new 
translations, new code (in parts 10 years old, but never released to the 
public) and expected problems with user profiles when updating.


We have done many, many changes between 41X and 42X. If it's just issues 
with the profile, we could be very happy.



What do you think?


I also recommend to do a long testing phase. Therefore we should think 
about to combine this with a Beta test - or more than 1.


Marcus


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Re: Are Forum and Wiki down ??

[Marcus]

Thank you very much for your help. :-)

Marcus



Am 20.09.23 um 16:29 schrieb Daniel Gruno:

On 2023-09-20 06:55, Dick Groskamp via users wrote:
We now are experiencing downtime on Apache OpenOffice fora 
(https:/forum.openoffice.org/en/forum;https:/forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum) and the OpenOffice wiki  (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki).


Sites report error to Firefox and Firefox says it can't connect


Not down, per se, but rather overworked. I have increased the process 
count for httpd, so it can handle a few more users at a time, but this 
is mainly a stop-gap solution. The ideal solution here would be for the 
project to move away from the old prefork methods and to an FPM-backed 
PHP engine for their forum and wiki, which would enable event-based 
processing instead (meaning a lot more users could be served with the 
same resources).




Earlier (2023-09-13) I mailed about slow performance:



We are experiencing a very slow performance on Apache OpenOffice fora 
(https:/forum.openoffice.org/en/forum;https:/forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum) and the OpenOffice wiki  (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki).


Also reported on the mailinglist dev@openoffice.apache.org by French 
user Bidouille


__


Could?Would you check please ?

--
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Re: [GitHub] [openoffice] Pilot-Pirx opened a new pull request, #181: Set the fontcolor always to black

[Marcus]

Am 15.08.23 um 22:00 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 15.08.23 um 21:45 schrieb Pedro Lino:


I'm not sure if this is related to this bug I reported back in 2014?

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125568

I think that issue is more about pptx import...


Although I see the point in setting the interface Font color to Black 
(instead of the current Dark Gray), I hope it does not affect 
documents (as is the case for the reported bug) but you do mention 
printing?


It is not about the interface color, but the font color used in Writer 
documents as default.


For example, if you open an odt (created on Windows) on Ubuntu (with 
Ambience desktop theme) the standard text color will change from black 
to dark gray (#3C3C3C). And of course the printer will then print dark 
gray and not black.


I think documents should look the same, independent from a desktop 
theme. Of course the user still can change the defaults to whatever he 
likes. ;-)


this is also my expectation.

A dark grey is *maybe* still OK. But let's imagine the next theme is a 
brighter grey. Does the normal user know or expect that the printed font 
color is also this grey?

I don't think so. ;-)

So, for me the change to always black is OK.

Marcus



On 08/10/2023 2:38 PM WEST Pilot-Pirx (via GitHub)  
wrote:


Pilot-Pirx opened a new pull request, #181:
URL: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pull/181

    We should set the fontcolor to black by default.
    Some themes on Linux use a slightly different color, for example 
Ubuntu uses a dark gray.

    That drove me mad, because I thought my printer was broken. ;-)
    At the moment I have set the fontcolor manually to black.



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Re: Executable flag

[Marcus]

Am 11.07.23 um 19:30 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 11.07.23 um 18:25 schrieb Marcus:

Am 11.07.23 um 15:40 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Recently I did the "MAJOR" Task of creating a Readme for AOO42X:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/AOO42X/README.md

I am not sure if I am the only person capable to do that, but I begin to
think that some people here are not really interested in contributing to
our project anymore?


IMHO it depends in which area you expect more contributions. If it's
in the software code, then it's indeed limited.


No, I am not talking about code commits. You may have misinterpreted my
sarcasm. ;-)


ha, indeed. ;-)


But basic maintenance of our project can be done by everyone. No excuse!


That's right.

Marcus




Am 29.06.23 um 10:34 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hello All,

Am 04.06.23 um 21:05 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

Hello Matthias, All,

On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 04:57:39PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:


Hi All,

How about all those .java files in

main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/src/org/apache/openoffice/ooxml/viewer/


?

I think they shall _not_ be executable as well.

I have removed all the executable flags where I found them.

But of course, this basic task could have been done by everyone here.

So, please engage in maintaining the code!

Regards,

     Matthias


Best regards.



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Re: Executable flag

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Am 11.07.23 um 15:40 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Recently I did the "MAJOR" Task of creating a Readme for AOO42X:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/AOO42X/README.md

I am not sure if I am the only person capable to do that, but I begin to
think that some people here are not really interested in contributing to
our project anymore?


IMHO it depends in which area you expect more contributions. If it's in 
the software code, then it's indeed limited.


Marcus




Am 29.06.23 um 10:34 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hello All,

Am 04.06.23 um 21:05 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

Hello Matthias, All,

On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 04:57:39PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:


Hi All,

How about all those .java files in

main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/src/org/apache/openoffice/ooxml/viewer/

?

I think they shall _not_ be executable as well.

I have removed all the executable flags where I found them.

But of course, this basic task could have been done by everyone here.

So, please engage in maintaining the code!

Regards,

    Matthias


Best regards.



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Re: blog migration

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Am 30.06.23 um 21:43 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

how do we proceed?


the mission text is now online and linked in the menu.
What is missing for you on the website?

Marcus




Am 19.06.23 um 22:24 schrieb Marcus:

Am 19.06.23 um 22:05 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 19.06.23 um 22:00 schrieb Marcus:

Am 11.06.23 um 19:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

BTW:

I *think* there is a closing  missing here:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/theme/openoffice/templates/blog.html



that's right. I've fixed this now.


Yes, but is the footer really supposed to be inside the header?!

I think Peter had fixed it in his preview branch but not committed yet:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/commit/ed60324a8a1efb84b5d075effe3845dd3618aaa7



thanks for the hint.

The footer is defined in the "base.html". I've deleted it from the
blog page with no negative result.

Marcus




Am 11.06.23 um 19:29 schrieb Peter Kovacs:


Am 11.06.23 um 17:56 schrieb Marcus:

Am 11.06.23 um 15:59 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Thanks!

Is anyone comfortable with an URL like:

https://openoffice.apache.org/blogpage(.html)

Or should we rename it to "blog" or "blogs"?

In the end this is the URL we will advertise and now would be the
best
moment to make a decision.


even when it is indeed a single page where all blog articles are, I
prefer to use just "blog". It's shorter and well known as common
name
for such content.


I have not an opinion. The change is prepared on branch
preview/renameblog.

We would need another ticket for infra to change the redirects


All the best

Peter



Marcus




Am 11.06.23 um 07:16 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

FYI after some discussion is slack a ticket for Infra was opened.

the forwarding is now fixed, you may need to empty your cache.

Am 10.06.23 um 21:02 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Sorry:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/

Am 10.06.23 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi,

Am 10.06.23 um 20:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

I have put this in the ticket.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24222

Am 10.06.23 um 20:17 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

Dear All,

the "Blog" link at the top-right corner of the homepage links
to:
https://blogs.apache.org/ooo/
that is not valid.

It should have been:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo

I fixed that now, but the redirection is a bit wrong (see
ticket).

When it works we can of course use the "new" URL directly on our
page.

Regards,

    Matthias


I think that the correct URL should rather be:
https://openoffice.apache.org/blogpage.html

I made a "git grep blogs.apache.org" and this URL appears in a
_lot_
of files; for this reason I refrained to try fixing this
myself.

I also suggest to make:
https://openoffice.apache.org/blog/
redirect to the above, correct URL
(or maybe, make _this_ the correct URL, as it looks easier to
type).

I hope this helps.



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Re: Delete Bugzilla Account

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Am 28.06.23 um 00:27 schrieb Judy and Jim Aeschliman:

Great.  Please disable the Bugzilla account setup under:  judynj...@hotmail.com


OK, I've now disabled your account.

Marcus




From: Marcus 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:13 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org ; Judy and Jim Aeschliman 

Subject: Re: Delete Bugzilla Account

Am 27.06.23 um 02:26 schrieb Judy and Jim Aeschliman:

Many years ago when I was still using OpenOffice, I created a Bugzilla account 
to report some bugs I had found while using OpenOffice.  I have sent inquiries 
on how to delete the login name and password associated with this account and 
have not received a satisfactory answer.

Please tell me how to delete the Bugzilla login and password.


we do not delete accounts in Bugzilla. But we can disable it. This means
you won't be able to login, create, update or comment issues. However,
your contributions will stay but anonymously. Please note that we cannot
remove the account data from already written comments.

Marcus



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Re: Delete Bugzilla Account

[Marcus]

Am 27.06.23 um 02:26 schrieb Judy and Jim Aeschliman:

Many years ago when I was still using OpenOffice, I created a Bugzilla account 
to report some bugs I had found while using OpenOffice.  I have sent inquiries 
on how to delete the login name and password associated with this account and 
have not received a satisfactory answer.

Please tell me how to delete the Bugzilla login and password.


we do not delete accounts in Bugzilla. But we can disable it. This means 
you won't be able to login, create, update or comment issues. However, 
your contributions will stay but anonymously. Please note that we cannot 
remove the account data from already written comments.


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Re: blog migration

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Am 19.06.23 um 22:05 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 19.06.23 um 22:00 schrieb Marcus:

Am 11.06.23 um 19:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

BTW:

I *think* there is a closing  missing here:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/theme/openoffice/templates/blog.html


that's right. I've fixed this now.


Yes, but is the footer really supposed to be inside the header?!

I think Peter had fixed it in his preview branch but not committed yet:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/commit/ed60324a8a1efb84b5d075effe3845dd3618aaa7


thanks for the hint.

The footer is defined in the "base.html". I've deleted it from the blog 
page with no negative result.


Marcus




Am 11.06.23 um 19:29 schrieb Peter Kovacs:


Am 11.06.23 um 17:56 schrieb Marcus:

Am 11.06.23 um 15:59 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Thanks!

Is anyone comfortable with an URL like:

https://openoffice.apache.org/blogpage(.html)

Or should we rename it to "blog" or "blogs"?

In the end this is the URL we will advertise and now would be the
best
moment to make a decision.


even when it is indeed a single page where all blog articles are, I
prefer to use just "blog". It's shorter and well known as common name
for such content.


I have not an opinion. The change is prepared on branch
preview/renameblog.

We would need another ticket for infra to change the redirects


All the best

Peter



Marcus




Am 11.06.23 um 07:16 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

FYI after some discussion is slack a ticket for Infra was opened.

the forwarding is now fixed, you may need to empty your cache.

Am 10.06.23 um 21:02 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Sorry:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/

Am 10.06.23 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi,

Am 10.06.23 um 20:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

I have put this in the ticket.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24222

Am 10.06.23 um 20:17 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

Dear All,

the "Blog" link at the top-right corner of the homepage links
to:
https://blogs.apache.org/ooo/
that is not valid.

It should have been:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo

I fixed that now, but the redirection is a bit wrong (see ticket).

When it works we can of course use the "new" URL directly on our
page.

Regards,

   Matthias


I think that the correct URL should rather be:
https://openoffice.apache.org/blogpage.html

I made a "git grep blogs.apache.org" and this URL appears in a
_lot_
of files; for this reason I refrained to try fixing this myself.

I also suggest to make:
https://openoffice.apache.org/blog/
redirect to the above, correct URL
(or maybe, make _this_ the correct URL, as it looks easier to
type).

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Re: blog migration

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Am 11.06.23 um 19:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

BTW:

I *think* there is a closing  missing here:

https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/theme/openoffice/templates/blog.html


that's right. I've fixed this now.

Marcus




Am 11.06.23 um 19:29 schrieb Peter Kovacs:


Am 11.06.23 um 17:56 schrieb Marcus:

Am 11.06.23 um 15:59 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Thanks!

Is anyone comfortable with an URL like:

https://openoffice.apache.org/blogpage(.html)

Or should we rename it to "blog" or "blogs"?

In the end this is the URL we will advertise and now would be the best
moment to make a decision.


even when it is indeed a single page where all blog articles are, I
prefer to use just "blog". It's shorter and well known as common name
for such content.


I have not an opinion. The change is prepared on branch
preview/renameblog.

We would need another ticket for infra to change the redirects


All the best

Peter



Marcus




Am 11.06.23 um 07:16 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

FYI after some discussion is slack a ticket for Infra was opened.

the forwarding is now fixed, you may need to empty your cache.

Am 10.06.23 um 21:02 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Sorry:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/

Am 10.06.23 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi,

Am 10.06.23 um 20:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

I have put this in the ticket.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24222

Am 10.06.23 um 20:17 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

Dear All,

the "Blog" link at the top-right corner of the homepage links to:
https://blogs.apache.org/ooo/
that is not valid.

It should have been:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo

I fixed that now, but the redirection is a bit wrong (see ticket).

When it works we can of course use the "new" URL directly on our
page.

Regards,

  Matthias


I think that the correct URL should rather be:
https://openoffice.apache.org/blogpage.html

I made a "git grep blogs.apache.org" and this URL appears in a
_lot_
of files; for this reason I refrained to try fixing this myself.

I also suggest to make:
https://openoffice.apache.org/blog/
redirect to the above, correct URL
(or maybe, make _this_ the correct URL, as it looks easier to
type).

I hope this helps.

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Re: Buildbot config - svn or git?

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Am 15.06.23 um 10:36 schrieb Pedro Lino:

On 06/15/2023 9:30 AM WEST Matthias Seidel  wrote:
  

Thanks to Peter our Linux buildbots are functional again.


Thanks Peter!
  

But the buildbot configuration is still on SVN.

I would prefer it on Git. Opinions?


+1
Yes, that would make sense.


yes, let's move it to Git,

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Re: blog migration

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Am 11.06.23 um 15:59 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Thanks!

Is anyone comfortable with an URL like:

https://openoffice.apache.org/blogpage(.html)

Or should we rename it to "blog" or "blogs"?

In the end this is the URL we will advertise and now would be the best
moment to make a decision.


even when it is indeed a single page where all blog articles are, I 
prefer to use just "blog". It's shorter and well known as common name 
for such content.


Marcus




Am 11.06.23 um 07:16 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

FYI after some discussion is slack a ticket for Infra was opened.

the forwarding is now fixed, you may need to empty your cache.

Am 10.06.23 um 21:02 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Sorry:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/

Am 10.06.23 um 20:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi,

Am 10.06.23 um 20:38 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

I have put this in the ticket.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24222

Am 10.06.23 um 20:17 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

Dear All,

the "Blog" link at the top-right corner of the homepage links to:
https://blogs.apache.org/ooo/
that is not valid.

It should have been:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo

I fixed that now, but the redirection is a bit wrong (see ticket).

When it works we can of course use the "new" URL directly on our page.

Regards,

     Matthias


I think that the correct URL should rather be:
https://openoffice.apache.org/blogpage.html

I made a "git grep blogs.apache.org" and this URL appears in a _lot_
of files; for this reason I refrained to try fixing this myself.

I also suggest to make:
https://openoffice.apache.org/blog/
redirect to the above, correct URL
(or maybe, make _this_ the correct URL, as it looks easier to type).

I hope this helps.

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Re: blog migration

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Am 02.06.23 um 23:05 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

The roller migration can be reviewed at [1].

Please, have a look through the page if something broke that I missed. 
Or Other things we need to look at.


  All pages where moved into a page sub folder. In folder blogs all our 
blog post can be found.


that's great news! Thanks a lot for the migration. :-)


Open Points fron my side:

# FAQ - Blog needs to be rewritten


I don't see a FAQ that needs to be rewritten. However, it's just the 
same step as you would edit another webpage.



# figure out how we can automate the Announcement part in General about


Yes, could be done. But it's no big deal to do it manually. It's just
- copy & paste the old text+links
- exchange a few data
- and that's it ;-)


# fixate the banner and menu on top without overlap effect


I don't see a different behavior when I open / close the Project menu - 
compared with the other menu items.


Another point:
The separator line and the "Continue Reading" link are differently 
positioned for every blog item. It depends how long the blog text is. 
So, the text length could be fixed. Let's see.


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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"

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Am 28.05.23 um 21:03 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 01:34:56PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:


Apart from the major task to write a Readme... ;-)

  - We had some files encoded with CRLF, maybe there are still others?
  - We have a lot of mixed indentation (spaces+tabs) that produce
warnings with newer compilers.
  - We still have a big amount of German comments that need to be translated.
  - We have a vim modeline in some files, shouldn't we use them more?
  - ...

I really don't know where to stop here!

Before we talk about a timeline, let's do the basic tasks...  A
"cleaner" source code may also attract volunteers/developers.

What do others think?


IMHO, the highest hurdle for new contributors, today, is our build
system, especially under Windows.


I'm not a core developer but I tend to +1 here.

Marcus


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Re: Obsolete SVN repo

[Marcus]

Am 28.04.23 um 08:20 schrieb Bidouille:

Do we have an svn archive somewhere?
https://www.openoffice.org/tools/svn_checkout.html


have you checked that this is still working? At least I've no access: 
"Server not found".


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Re: A Message from the Board to PMC members

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Am 05.04.23 um 07:48 schrieb Peter kovacs:

What do you suggest?
I do not see in the mail calls for action in this regard. And the status quo is 
that we will not Push anyone out or define some sort of activity requirement.


I also think that this is a step that should be discussed separately. 
And then within the PMC.


Marcus




Am 4. April 2023 17:13:02 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel 
:

Hi All,

time to start a discussion about our dormant PMC members?

Regards,

    Matthias

Am 29.03.23 um 14:42 schrieb Rich Bowen:

Dear Apache Project Management Committee (PMC) members,

The Board wants to take just a moment of your time to communicate a few
things that seem to have been forgotten by a number of PMC members,
across the Foundation, over the past few years.  Please note that this
is being sent to all projects - yours has not been singled out.

The Project Management Committee (PMC) as a whole[1] is tasked with the
oversight, health, and sustainability of the project. The PMC members
are responsible collectively, and individually, for ensuring that the
project operates in a way that is in line with ASF philosophy, and in a
way that serves the developers and users of the project.

The PMC Chair is not the project leader, in any sense. It is the person
who files board reports and makes sure they are delivered on time. It
is the secretary for the project, and the project’s  ambassador to the
Board of Directors. The VP title is given as an artifact of US
corporate law, and not because the PMC Chair has any special powers. If
you are treating your PMC Chair as the project lead, or granting them
any other special powers or privileges, you need to be aware that
that’s not the intent of the Chair role. The Chair is a PMC member peer
with a few extra duties.

Every PMC member has an equal voice in deliberations. Each has one
vote. Each has veto power. Every vote weighs the same. It is not only
your right, but it is your obligation, to use that vote for the good of
the project and its users, not to appease the Chair, your employer, or
any other voice in the project.

Every PMC member can, and should, nominate new committers, and new PMC
members. This is not the sole domain of the PMC Chair. This might be
your most important responsibility to the project, as succession
planning is the path to sustainability.

Every PMC member can, and should, respond when the Board sends email to
your private list. You should not wait for the PMC Chair to respond.
The Board views the entire PMC as responsible for the project, not just
one member.

Every PMC member should be subscribed to the private@ mailing list. If
you are not, then you are neglecting your duty of oversight. If you no
longer wish to be responsible for oversight of the project, you should
resign your PMC seat, not merely drop off of the private@ list and
ignore it. You can determine which PMC members are not subscribed to
your private list by looking at your PMC roster at
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/  Names with an asterisk (*)
next to them are not subscribed to the list. We encourage you to take a
moment to contact them with this information.

Thank you for your attention to these matters, and thank you for
keeping our projects healthy.

Rich, for The Board of Directors

[1] https://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-members


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Fwd: TAC supporting Berlin Buzzwords

[Marcus]

For your information.



 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Subject: TAC supporting Berlin Buzzwords
Date:Fri, 24 Mar 2023 10:56:36 +0100
From:Gavin McDonald 



Hi All,

The ASF Travel Assistance Committee is supporting taking up to six (6) 
people to attend Berlin Buzzwords In June this year.


This includes Conference passes, and travel & accommodation as needed.

Please see our website at https://tac.apache.org 
 for more information and how to apply.


Applications close on 15th April.

Good luck to those that apply.

Gavin McDonald (VP TAC)


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Re: Review from Microsoft Store

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Am 17.03.23 um 18:45 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I think AOO is now "clean" regarding AntiVirus software:

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/9db2eeb359e8af2565babd4915e12e000d9e19d1342e0ed97c122a1701bd9bd9


that's great.
Thanks for this interesting overview.

Marcus




Am 10.03.23 um 17:15 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Keith,

Am 10.03.23 um 17:01 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi all,

I now have users on the Microsoft Store complaining about "locked"
files after updating to AOO 4.1.14:

Update Broken
The fact that the update doesn't run through the Microsoft Store is a
big red flag for me. It would simplify things if software initially
installed through Microsoft Store updated properly through that
channel. The bigger problem is after installing the update, all my
files are locked. I can't open any of them. All I get is a warning
about the files being password protected when I did no such thing. If
I can't access my files, what's the point. I might as well throw away
money on monthly extortion to access my work via Microsoft Office.

Any idea?

The "problem" with the Store itself is known, but not under our control.

Regards,
Matthias

Hi Matthias;

The only way I could install 4.1.14 was from the Microsoft store. Once
i uninstalled 4.1.13, it is worked with no locked files problems.

The locked files most likely comes from AntiVirus software flagging new
versions of AOO as insecure.

We have reports that AVAST often does that and I am thinking of creating
an account there to upload the binaries and let them get approved.

Regards,

    Matthias


Regards
Keith



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Re: FreeBSD port status

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Am 12.03.23 um 21:36 schrieb Don Lewis:

FYI, I do maintain a FreeBSD port of AOO42X and periodically update it
with newer snaphots of our code.  FreeBSD users can install binary
packages of it.  It was broken for quite a while, but I've gotten it
working again.


it's great to see that you still maintain this port. Even when we don't 
call it as official supported OS, it's one OS more where OpenOffice can 
run on.


Thanks for your work. :-)

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Re: [RESULT] PASSED Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.14-RC1 as GA

[Marcus]

Am 25.02.23 um 15:52 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 25.02.23 um 11:07 schrieb Pedro Lino:

On 02/25/2023 9:45 AM WET Matthias Seidel  wrote:
  
The SourceForge mirrors are now ready, we could release at any time we want.


Remembering that Microsoft does not work on weekends, I would prefer to
do it on Sunday evening. This way AOO 4.1.14 would be available in the
Microsoft Store early next week.

What do others think?

Sounds like a good plan.
It is a good way to start the week :)


Microsoft has changed the Store recently, so an installed AOO is
detected as "installed".

Hopefully it now detects the new release and let's user install the
update...


+1
I'll start with changing the download webpages on Sunday evening 
(European time).


Marcus


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Re: Need help

[Marcus]

Forwarding the answer to Heena as she is not subscribed to this mailing 
list.



Am 21.02.23 um 14:54 schrieb Bidouille:

Hello Heena
You are in wrong place here.
For this kind of question, the best way is to ask on the user maillist or forum.
Example: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65526

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De: "Heena Lalan" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Lundi 20 Février 2023 23:39:47
Objet: Need help


Hello, I have open office bt im unable to convert my pdf to excel .
Can u plz help me?my contact no is 832-661-6094
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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.14-RC1 as GA

[Marcus]

Am 13.02.23 um 13:38 schrieb Jim Jagielski:


[X] yes / +1

[ ] no / -1

My vote is based on

[X] binding (member of PMC)

[ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]

[X] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]


tested on:
- Windows 10 Home 64-bit 21H2 Build 19044.2604
- Installed AOO 4.1.14m1 (Build 9811 - Rev. a0d24fb625)

- Installed "en-US" full install + "de" langpack + "pt" langpack
- Switched the UI languages while testing

Checksums:
- Tested checksums for all source + SDK tarballs
- Tested checksums for the install + langpack files en-US, de, pt

Document tests:
- Existing, older DOC, XLS, PPT documents
- Existing, older DOCX, XLSX, PPTX documents
- Created new docs for Writer, Calc, Impress and opened / edited the 
saved file with all languages


Everything without problems.

Marcus


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AOO 4.1.14: Updated dictionaries

[Marcus]

For the release notes:

Was more than the en-US dictionary updated?
How can I see this?

Thanks

Marcus

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Re: AOO 4.1.14

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Am 08.02.23 um 10:42 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 07.02.23 um 18:26 schrieb Marcus:

Am 07.02.23 um 10:48 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I think it is time for the next release.

I have created the Release Schedule [1] for AOO 4.1.14 now. Please join!

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.14


done. And there are still tasks for volunteering.


Yes, tasks enough and so far the same people like always...

Maybe some people could take a heart and volunteer for a small task?


yes, that would be great.

E.g., the project's website [1] needs to be updated with the release 
data of the new version. Or more QA is always welcome.


[1] https://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html

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Re: AOO 4.1.14

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Am 07.02.23 um 15:09 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 07.02.23 um 14:52 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 2/7/23 4:48 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:


I think it is time for the next release.

I have created the Release Schedule [1] for AOO 4.1.14 now. Please join!

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.14


I volunteered for QA and announcements.


Thanks!

After all the time avoiding it I am now Corona positive...


oh, that's bad. :-(


However, I may still be able to do basic work.


I hope you are OK so far. Get well soon.

Marcus


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Re: AOO 4.1.14

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Am 07.02.23 um 10:48 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I think it is time for the next release.

I have created the Release Schedule [1] for AOO 4.1.14 now. Please join!

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.14


done. And there are still tasks for volunteering.

Marcus


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Re: Extensions site on SourceForge

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Am 07.02.23 um 12:51 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Does anyone have the karma to disable the review section here?

https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/reviews/

It is full of SPAM. Alternatively we need someone to clean up.


I've asked SF.net for request, got it and cleaned up the reviews.

And I've done the same for the templates site.

Thanks for your hint.

Marcus


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Re: New icons

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Am 27.01.23 um 15:35 schrieb Pedro Lino:

Just to make it clear, that was a test build just to see how it looks.

If Majiro is willing to do a full icon set then it should be considered how 
that can be incorporated in a new release

It could be initially included as a new icon theme and if aproved, as the 
default icon theme for a new major version...


+1 to change the icon set only in a major update - and only when it's a 
complete set.


Marcus




On 01/27/2023 1:05 PM WET Gerry Dutchie  wrote:

I see some beautiful new designs for icons passing by. Well done!

Although I would like to point out what "in between" updates of icons (and 
minor updates to the interface as such) mean for a dedicated author of books: go through 
the book and compare all pictures in the book and update where necessary...

I would recommend new icons & a fresh look only in every major update, eg 4.x 
---> 5.x, where new features have been added and existing features updated and 
debugged and the user is presented with greatly enhanced software.



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Re: Nightly Builds

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Am 26.01.23 um 16:49 schrieb Carl Marcum:

On 1/26/23 10:09 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:


I think we can all agree on a 4 week  (30 days) period for archiving the
binaries?


4 weeks max seems fine to me.


for me also, when the build is always done, independent of a commit.


And if possible only build one if there was a commit.


+1


Looking at:

https://nightlies.apache.org/openoffice/install/linux64/?C=M;O=D

we should also think about shortening the filenames. For example the Git
hash could be reduced to the first 10 digits.


Yes, that's too long. With a prefix to recognize that it's a Git hash 
then IMHO it would be great.


Example:

Apache_OpenOffice-SDK_4.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US_2023-01-26_09:13:18_Git_8a7b2c9448.tar.gz

Marcus




Am 22.01.23 um 09:31 schrieb Peter kovacs:
The output from git --log can be filtered to a since date. If we use 
the last build date then we can check if there are entries.

Maybe some other switches would help.

Am 21. Januar 2023 15:03:02 MEZ schrieb Matthias Seidel 
:

Hi Gavin,

Am 21.01.23 um 13:33 schrieb Gavin McDonald:

Hi All,

The nightly builds at https://ci2.apache.org/#/builders/58 are 
using up

much unnecessary
disk space on the nightlies.apache.org server.

Currently Openoffice alone is using more than 1TB - all due to these
nightly builds.
Over 600GB are the linux64 snapshots and the rest are the linsnap* 
ones.


Many many of these snapshots are identical to previous ones, but 
because
the date of the build is included then they are just repeated each 
day.
Even if no commits for weeks there is multi GB tars and debs being 
uploaded

each day.

This seems a waste.

Not only this, but no snapshots are being cleaned up, we have 
snapshots

dating back nearly a year just sitting there.

Lets clean this up and be smarter going forwards.

I would like to see these nightlies changed :-

1. Change to run weekly instead of daily.
2. Instead of, or in addition to 1, build and upload by commit 
trigger.

Just to clarify:

I think the logic should be: Look every day (night) if there was a code
change. If yes, do a build, otherwise skip.

I don't want to trigger a build with every single commit... ;-)

Regards,

    Matthias


3. Clean up snapshots older than 1 month.

Thoughts please



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Re: Delete from list

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Am 19.01.23 um 18:11 schrieb Martin Bauer:

Hi Martin,


Please delete us with the domain www.coco-content-marketing.de out of the
openoffice directory with all subdomains as soon as possible.
Thanks!


we have now deleted your item from the list.

Marcus


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Re: Delete from list

[Marcus]

Is anybody volunteering to delete line 272 in this file?

/content/de/marketing/referenzkunden.html

This will result in:

https://www.openoffice.org/de/marketing/referenzkunden.html

Thanks

Marcus



Am 24.01.23 um 11:09 schrieb Martin Bauer:

Please delete our listing of www.coco-content-marketing.de in all
openoffiice-directories  as soon as possible.
The number of subdirectories is extremely bad for our SEO.

Am Do., 19. Jan. 2023 um 18:11 Uhr schrieb Martin Bauer <
mba...@coco-new-media.de>:


Please delete us with the domain www.coco-content-marketing.de out of the
openoffice directory with all subdomains as soon as possible.
Thanks!


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Re: SourceForge download

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Am 19.01.23 um 17:06 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

It looks like they are up again...


that is great. Luckily just a short hiccup.

Marcus




Am 19.01.23 um 16:09 schrieb Matthias Seidel:


In fact it must have happened in the last couple of hours... ;-)

Am 19.01.23 um 16:05 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:

I can confirm that the versions past 4.1.10 are not available. This
must be a relatively recent mishap as I was checking Source Forge a
couple weeks ago and the files were in place and accessible.



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Re: Reporting broken download link

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Am 19.01.23 um 15:31 schrieb Brieanna Mulvey:

I've been trying to download the full installation of apache open office
but whenever I click the link to download, this message pops up at the top
of the screen and there is no option to download:
"Unable to find any mirror information for the
"/4.1.13/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.13_MacOS_x86-64_install_en-US.dmg"
file. Please select another file.".

I'm a mac user, here are the hardware details:

[...]

I'd be very grateful if you could help resolve this issue so I can download
the full installation.

Many thanks for the service and help provided.
thanks for your hint about the download problem. We have seen this also 
and it was already solved also fast. Luckily it was a problem for just a 
few hours.


Please try again and you should be able to download your favorite 
install file.


Marcus


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Re: Marketing Mailing List

[Marcus]

Am 07.01.23 um 17:31 schrieb Dave:

The marketing mailing list has a deteriorating level of usefulness.
Since 2014 there have been 330 posts, the majority of which had very
little to do with the "marketing" the software or promotion of the project:
 Year Posts
 2014  211
 2015   40
 2016   43
 2017   21
 20184
 20192
 20203
 20213
 20223
Total 330

Apart from the small flurry of activity in 2014 just before Rob Weir
retired from the project. the mailing list has served almost no useful
purpose, other than to attract a steady 24/7 stream of spam posts.

Since the project doesn't engage in any marketing activity and those few
events at which we attend are normally discussed on the dev list, I
propose that, unless any member of the project can offer any clear and
fully justifiable reason for doing otherwise, we shut down the "spam
bait" marketing list.


yes, I also think it's time to remove this mailing list.

Marcus


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Re: Happy...

[Marcus]

Am 01.01.23 um 19:39 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

...new year! ;-)


Happy New Year to all of you! :-)

Marcus


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Re: Fwd: Bug in Calc - Search and Substitute.

[Marcus]

Am 30.12.22 um 19:10 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Am 30.12.22 um 19:00 schrieb Marcus:

Am 28.12.22 um 14:30 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

FYI
Can anyone confirm/test?


maybe a Linux-only issue. On my Linux system with 2 monitors no dialog 
boxes or document windows will disappear.


Do you mean Windows?

I can test Windows in the next days. I have 2 Monitors. I just was not 
at home the past days.


yes, the original reporter is working on Windows 10.

Marcus




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Betreff: Bug in Calc - Search and Substitute.
Datum: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 11:50:18 +0100
Von: Mauro (GMail) 
Antwort an: us...@openoffice.apache.org
An: us...@openoffice.apache.org



Good morning,
I'd like to evidence a bug in Calc.

The base system information are:
- PC: HP Working Station ZBook
- OS: Win10.
- Monitor:
    - Monitor 1: HP Working Station ZBook
    - Monitor 2: Extension Philips 272B

The conditions are:
1) _Use Calc in monitor 2_.
2) Press Ctrl-F to open the Search and Substitute Box.
_Leave the Search and Substitute Box on Monitor 1._
3) Click on More Option Button.
  The Search and Substitute Box disappear, it's no more visible.

The only system to view again the Search and Substitute Box is:
- disconnect the Monitor 2
- open the Search and Substitute Box again.

This bug is present for a long time now and very old version.



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Re: Fwd: Bug in Calc - Search and Substitute.

[Marcus]

Am 28.12.22 um 14:30 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

FYI
Can anyone confirm/test?


maybe a Linux-only issue. On my Linux system with 2 monitors no dialog 
boxes or document windows will disappear.


Marcus




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Betreff:Bug in Calc - Search and Substitute.
Datum:  Wed, 28 Dec 2022 11:50:18 +0100
Von:Mauro (GMail) 
Antwort an: us...@openoffice.apache.org
An: us...@openoffice.apache.org



Good morning,
I'd like to evidence a bug in Calc.

The base system information are:
- PC: HP Working Station ZBook
- OS: Win10.
- Monitor:
    - Monitor 1: HP Working Station ZBook
    - Monitor 2: Extension Philips 272B

The conditions are:
1) _Use Calc in monitor 2_.
2) Press Ctrl-F to open the Search and Substitute Box.
_Leave the Search and Substitute Box on Monitor 1._
3) Click on More Option Button.
  The Search and Substitute Box disappear, it's no more visible.

The only system to view again the Search and Substitute Box is:
- disconnect the Monitor 2
- open the Search and Substitute Box again.

This bug is present for a long time now and very old version.



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Re: Reporting broken download link

[Marcus]

Am 11.12.22 um 19:12 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 11.12.22 um 19:08 schrieb Marcus:

Am 11.12.22 um 17:01 schrieb Brad Blumenthal, Ph.D.:

The problem was a broken link.  I clicked on the link, and it came up
with a server-not-found error.  I saw the link that said, “report a
broken link,” and I followed the instructions.  If it’s not enough
information for you, then fix your instructions.

So, look, I reported your broken link as a courtesy.  I fixed my
problem already.  That Ph.D. down there?  Computer Science.  And I’d
bet $20


But with my hint. ;-)


that if you checked either your http server logs or your uptime logs,
you’d see that server was unavailable at the time I submitted that
report.


Haven't you seen that the download doesn't come from Apache but from
Sourceforge? Obviously not. Maybe you should ask there next time you
have a download problem.


webpage there is a grey "Problems Downloading?" button. Just click
on it and choose a different mirror from the popup


Haven’t you guys ever heard of a “load balancer”?


I don't know why you are so unfriendly. You should be happy that there
are still helping people in the Internet.


Maybe he is some kind of Grinch... ;-)


:-)






On Dec 11, 2022, at 09:07, Marcus  wrote:

Unfortunately, you don't write about the problem. So, we cannot help
a lot here.

I've downloaded a second ago and haven't seen a problem. So, in
general it's working.

When you have problems that could be caused by a specific mirror
server then just change them. On the SourceForge webpage there is a
grey "Problems Downloading?" button. Just click on it and choose a
different mirror from the popup dialog.

Am 09.12.22 um 20:31 schrieb Brad Blumenthal, Ph.D.:

MacOS Ventura 13.0 (22A380)
Problem descriptionExchange this text to describe the problem
(What does not work? What do you expect?)
Browser variablesValues
...



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Re: Reporting broken download link

[Marcus]

Am 11.12.22 um 17:01 schrieb Brad Blumenthal, Ph.D.:
The problem was a broken link.  I clicked on the link, and it came up 
with a server-not-found error.  I saw the link that said, “report a 
broken link,” and I followed the instructions.  If it’s not enough 
information for you, then fix your instructions.


So, look, I reported your broken link as a courtesy.  I fixed my problem 
already.  That Ph.D. down there?  Computer Science.  And I’d bet $20 


But with my hint. ;-)

that if you checked either your http server logs or your uptime logs, 
you’d see that server was unavailable at the time I submitted that report.


Haven't you seen that the download doesn't come from Apache but from 
Sourceforge? Obviously not. Maybe you should ask there next time you 
have a download problem.


webpage there is a grey "Problems Downloading?" button. Just click on 
it and choose a different mirror from the popup 


Haven’t you guys ever heard of a “load balancer”?


I don't know why you are so unfriendly. You should be happy that there 
are still helping people in the Internet.


Have a nice day.

Marcus




On Dec 11, 2022, at 09:07, Marcus  wrote:

Unfortunately, you don't write about the problem. So, we cannot help a 
lot here.


I've downloaded a second ago and haven't seen a problem. So, in 
general it's working.


When you have problems that could be caused by a specific mirror 
server then just change them. On the SourceForge webpage there is a 
grey "Problems Downloading?" button. Just click on it and choose a 
different mirror from the popup dialog.


Am 09.12.22 um 20:31 schrieb Brad Blumenthal, Ph.D.:

MacOS Ventura 13.0 (22A380)
Problem descriptionExchange this text to describe the problem
(What does not work? What do you expect?)
Browser variablesValues
...



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Re: Reporting broken download link

[Marcus]

Unfortunately, you don't write about the problem. So, we cannot help a 
lot here.


I've downloaded a second ago and haven't seen a problem. So, in general 
it's working.


When you have problems that could be caused by a specific mirror server 
then just change them. On the SourceForge webpage there is a grey 
"Problems Downloading?" button. Just click on it and choose a different 
mirror from the popup dialog.


HTH

Marcus



Am 09.12.22 um 20:31 schrieb Brad Blumenthal, Ph.D.:

MacOS Ventura 13.0 (22A380)

Problem description Exchange this text to describe the problem

(What does not work? What do you expect?)
Browser variables   Values
...


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Re: OO losing pictures

[Marcus]

Am 19.11.22 um 11:32 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 18.11.22 um 10:25 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

There have been many reports of OpenOffice files Writer and Impress (not sure 
about Calc), of all versions, suddenly losing pictures, and leaving only a 
blank frame.

I use the Xubuntu LTS versions, running usually the latest Apache OpenOffice, 
more recently the 4.5.0 nightlies.  I have not used Windows since 2007/8, so 
cannot say if the following remarks have relevance to that version

LibreOffice have fixed the problem of picture loss, at a cost (from memory) of 
44,000 euro.

I regularly make and re-edit Impress presentations, some of considerable size 
(~100+ slides, for later selection) and some of 10/12 years of age, and have 
found a method that seems to overcome the picture loss.

My files are stored on a network addressed storage; I have disabled "Save 
Autorecovery every n seconds" (entering 0); in more than 9 years of using that 
setting in OpenOffice, both in the creation and editing of large Impress presentations of 
100+ slides containing images and also of several illustrated booklets, I have never lost 
pictures.  Prior to disabling the AutoRecovery process, I regularly did lose images.

My guess is that the AutoRecovery process, when it happens, does not correctly 
preserve the existing OpenOffice environment, perhaps itself being interrupted 
by input keystrokes from the User.

I do not offer this as a sure-fire solution, but merely record my experience


Thank you for sharing your experience!

A memory corruption may be the main problem, but pictures nowadays are
typically much bigger than they were, when OO was designed.

That said, I would like to increase the memory settings at least for
trunk/AOO42X.

Default is now:

Graphics cache:  20 MB, 5.2 MB per object, Remove after 10 minutes.  20
Objects

Opinions?


just in crease the settings. What about 100 MB and 10 MB for each object?

Marcus


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Re: Certificate issue for *.openoffice.org

[Marcus]

Am 12.10.22 um 19:11 schrieb Marcus:

Am 12.10.22 um 10:37 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:07:14 +0200 (CEST)
Bidouille  wrote:

Firefox can't connect me, indicating that the certifcate for the 
server has been expired since last night.

:-(


I am able to connect using Opera browser on linux (Xubuntu 22.04.1).  
I get the same certificate expired warning, but can then click through 
that warning and connect.


Dave has asked the Infra team to renew the certificate:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-23772

@Dave:
Thanks for taking action. :-)


the website is working again.
Thanks to the Infra team.

Marcus


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Re: Certificate issue for *.openoffice.org

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Am 12.10.22 um 10:37 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 08:07:14 +0200 (CEST)
Bidouille  wrote:


Firefox can't connect me, indicating that the certifcate for the server has 
been expired since last night.
:-(


I am able to connect using Opera browser on linux (Xubuntu 22.04.1).  I get the 
same certificate expired warning, but can then click through that warning and 
connect.


Dave has asked the Infra team to renew the certificate:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-23772

@Dave:
Thanks for taking action. :-)

Marcus


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Re: state of Blockers on 4.2.0

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Am 27.09.22 um 16:11 schrieb Pedro Lino:

+1 in general

It would be better to separate the Bugzilla resolution from other 
comments. Both in the same column is misleading.


Marcus




+1


On 09/27/2022 3:03 PM WEST Matthias Seidel  wrote:

  
+1


Am 27.09.22 um 08:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

I have added some information to the Overview List, to ease the
desicion what to do next.

I also did a quick Review on each issue, and tried to add the state to
the Resolution Column.

Maybe it would be good to add somewhere a rough description what we
need to do next for each issue?

For example:  "need testing on Linux, Windopws, MacOS"

or "Development (3/5) see comment 4"


What do you think?


Am 24.09.22 um 04:48 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Hello all,

I was looking at our blockers for 4.2.0. I am confused atm. If I read
it right, then we have 3 Blockers for Windows and 2 for Mac 0 Linux,
right?

The other open Bugs are they resolved? - For example 126762
<https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126762> seems to be fixed
for 4.2., but state is still open.


I think a bit of clarity would help. I try to look at the MacOsX
build next.


All the best

Peter



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Re: state of Blockers on 4.2.0

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Am 24.09.22 um 04:48 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
I was looking at our blockers for 4.2.0. I am confused atm. If I read it 
right, then we have 3 Blockers for Windows and 2 for Mac 0 Linux, right?


The other open Bugs are they resolved? - For example 126762 
<https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126762> seems to be fixed for 
4.2., but state is still open.


I think a bit of clarity would help. I try to look at the MacOsX build 
next.


we have a list of all 4.2.0 blocker:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Blocker+issues+4.2.0

I don't know if the data is up-to-date - especially the status - however 
it gives you a better overview than the simple listing in Bugzilla.


Marcus


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Re: [DISCUSS] In a few weeks 333 Mio. downloads

[Marcus]

Am 01.09.22 um 23:21 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 01.09.22 um 19:04 schrieb Marcus:

Am 31.08.22 um 16:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 31.08.22 um 00:33 schrieb Marcus:

I've now published a new blog post about the 333 mio. downloads:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/more-than-333-million-downloads


Thanks!

Do we want to link it frome our webpage (News Section)?


Yes, I'll do this.

I've seen that you have created a new logo for this event. Do you plan
to publish this on the homepage, too?

I only changed the existing one linked e.g. on the German and Polish
page. Feel free to use it for the main page, too.



PS:
I've haven't found any setting to show a sharp graphic. So, when
someone knows how to do that ...


I think Andrea posted instructions last time.


Hm, do you remember when it was last time? Then can search.


It must have been around the time of the post for 300 Mio. downloads:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/300-million-downloads-of-apache


thanks for your hint. With this I've found it and a more simple way:

- Insert the graphic via the normal way via "Insert Media File"
- With the respective button change into the "Code View"
- Search for the media URL
- Delete the "?t=true" appendix
  (I think it tells Roller to interpret the graphic as thumbnail

Just in case that someone is searching for a solution.

Marcus




Am 06.07.22 um 20:21 schrieb Marcus:

Am 06.07.22 um 15:29 schrieb Czesław Wolański:

Definitely +1 for a blog post - ganz bestimmt keine Schnapsidee ;‑)


:-D


Is information about the origin of the "Schnapszahl" given on the
Duden
website reliable?
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Schnapszahl


Yes, their decription of the term is right.

Marcus




Am Mi., 6. Juli 2022 um 14:35 Uhr schrieb Keith N. McKenna <
keith.mcke...@comcast.net>:


Marcus wrote:

In a few weeks we will see 333,333,333 Mio. downloads.

In Germany this kind of number is known as "Schapszahl" (English:
repdigit) and is in the most cases a lucky event. Is this also
seen in
other countries?

I would honor this with a blog post. What do you think?

Thanks

Marcus

Marcus;

+1 I think it is a wonderful Idea.

Regards
Keith



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Re: [DISCUSS] In a few weeks 333 Mio. downloads

[Marcus]

Am 31.08.22 um 16:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 31.08.22 um 00:33 schrieb Marcus:

I've now published a new blog post about the 333 mio. downloads:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/more-than-333-million-downloads


Thanks!

Do we want to link it frome our webpage (News Section)?


Yes, I'll do this.

I've seen that you have created a new logo for this event. Do you plan 
to publish this on the homepage, too?



PS:
I've haven't found any setting to show a sharp graphic. So, when
someone knows how to do that ...


I think Andrea posted instructions last time.


Hm, do you remember when it was last time? Then can search.

Thanks

Marcus




Am 06.07.22 um 20:21 schrieb Marcus:

Am 06.07.22 um 15:29 schrieb Czesław Wolański:

Definitely +1 for a blog post - ganz bestimmt keine Schnapsidee ;‑)


:-D


Is information about the origin of the "Schnapszahl" given on the Duden
website reliable?
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Schnapszahl


Yes, their decription of the term is right.

Marcus




Am Mi., 6. Juli 2022 um 14:35 Uhr schrieb Keith N. McKenna <
keith.mcke...@comcast.net>:


Marcus wrote:

In a few weeks we will see 333,333,333 Mio. downloads.

In Germany this kind of number is known as "Schapszahl" (English:
repdigit) and is in the most cases a lucky event. Is this also
seen in
other countries?

I would honor this with a blog post. What do you think?

Thanks

Marcus

Marcus;

+1 I think it is a wonderful Idea.

Regards
Keith



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Re: [DISCUSS] In a few weeks 333 Mio. downloads

[Marcus]

I've now published a new blog post about the 333 mio. downloads:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/more-than-333-million-downloads

PS:
I've haven't found any setting to show a sharp graphic. So, when someone 
knows how to do that ...


Marcus



Am 06.07.22 um 20:21 schrieb Marcus:

Am 06.07.22 um 15:29 schrieb Czesław Wolański:

Definitely +1 for a blog post - ganz bestimmt keine Schnapsidee ;‑)


:-D


Is information about the origin of the "Schnapszahl" given on the Duden
website reliable?
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Schnapszahl


Yes, their decription of the term is right.

Marcus




Am Mi., 6. Juli 2022 um 14:35 Uhr schrieb Keith N. McKenna <
keith.mcke...@comcast.net>:


Marcus wrote:

In a few weeks we will see 333,333,333 Mio. downloads.

In Germany this kind of number is known as "Schapszahl" (English:
repdigit) and is in the most cases a lucky event. Is this also seen in
other countries?

I would honor this with a blog post. What do you think?

Thanks

Marcus

Marcus;

+1 I think it is a wonderful Idea.

Regards
Keith



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Re: Subject: Open Office

[Marcus]

Am 26.08.22 um 07:36 schrieb David Robley:

Hi Paul,

There is no "tech support" address; there is a user's mailing list (see 
third paragraph below)and there is a forum at 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php


for your problem this is best channel to get help.

Please see the Mac section of Instructions for Downloading and 
Installing Apache OpenOffice 4.0, 4.1 Versions - 
https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html#apple


The following is maybe also helpful for you:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.13+Release+Notes#AOO4.1.13ReleaseNotes-FormacOSusers

- Apache OpenOffice will be flagged by the Gatekeeper facility in
  macOS. This is a feature to help guard against malware on Mac
  systems. The Apache OpenOffice disk images are signed by Apache
  as required by Apple, but Gatekeeper may still be triggered. If
  that happens, please follow the below steps.

  - For macOS up to 10.11 “El Capitan”: There is a procedure laid
out at the following link to allow applications not installed
from the Mac App Store to run. See the Mac support article.

  - For macOS 10.12 “Sierra” and up: In Finder, Control-click or
right-click the icon of the app. Select Open from the top of
the contextual menu that appears. Click Open in the dialog box.
If prompted, enter an administrator name and password. This is
needed just the first time you launch Apache OpenOffice.

I hope this helps.

Marcus




On 26/8/22 13:42, Paul Flickinger wrote:
This E-Mail may be going to the wrong people, but I can't find a tech 
support address.  I have tried down loading Open Office three times 
with the same result.  The initial download works fine, but after I 
transfer it to the Applications folder and try to open it, I get the 
following message: "Open Office cannot be opened because the developer 
cannot be verified."  I am using a Macbook Pro (Mid 2012) with MAC 
Catalina, version 10.15.7.  I would appreciate any help you can give 
me or directions to someone who can. Thank you, Paul Flickinger



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Re: 404 error on OpenOffice daily/nightly builds and snapshots

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Am 25.08.22 um 16:42 schrieb Bidouille:

This page: https://www.openoffice.org/download/devbuilds.html
All hyperlinks are wrong for Windows system

Thanks to fix it :-)


@Matthias:
Even from here I don't see any Windows builds:
https://nightlies.apache.org/openoffice/install/

When you give me a hint what the correct links are, I can fix the webpage.

Thanks

Marcus


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[PROPOSAL] Rework of the AOO logo graphics and their names

[Marcus]

When thinking about the new upcoming milestone of 333+ mio downloads 
(see the separate mail thread a few days ago) and looking into the logo 
directory what we have for this event, I've seen it's the little mess 
and that it needs to be cleaned-up.


Therefore I would like to rework the following directory and its content:

.../git.ooo-site/assets/images/AOO_logos

Looking what we have and renaming the filenames to make them more 
descriptive.


What do you think?

Marcus

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Re: Missing Tab function in OpenOffice BASIC

[Marcus]

Am 07.08.22 um 16:08 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Damjan added the missing Tab function in 2015:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=19221#c9

It was done in trunk (4.2.0) at that time.

However it introduced a regression that was fixed now in trunk and AOO42X.

@Carl: Maybe you want to add a qa test for that function?

@All: Would it make sense to cherry-pick this for AOO41X?


is this the respective commit?

https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commit/09edc5ae9fb853902001b332819f1d7f468c4806


If so, when putting the comment changes beside, then it's just a single 
line. So, I think it's OK to merge it also into the 41X branch.


My 2 ct.

Marcus

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Re: [AOO4.1.13] Performance Issues in writer with OLE objects

[Marcus]

Am 03.08.22 um 11:34 schrieb Dave:

Hi Dave,


Sorry folks. Dave Fisher sensed correctly it was a particularly bad day
with some domestic issues I am dealing with at the moment and I should
not have vented my frustrations at people who did not deserve my
"knee-jerk" reaction to a misunderstanding.


I perfectly understand your problem. I also have sometimes situations 
where I need to take a deep breath before going on, e.g., posting; and 
I'm not always successful.


So, I have no problem with this situation - especially as it was just a 
little heat peak and otherwise quite calm - as long as it is not 
escalating. And I really appreciate that you have shared with us the 
root cause.



I would like to put my outburst aside and move on with AOO.


That's great. Thanks for your continued trust in the people, project and 
software. :-)


Marcus




On 02/08/2022 17:12, Dave Fisher wrote:

After 21 years working with users of OpenOffice.org, Apache OpenOffice, and 
LibreOffice Dave’s experience should be respected and not dismissed.

Assume a bad day or frustration instead of further reaction. Apologizing for 
misunderstanding someone is good, friendly community building.

Assume the best,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Peter kovacs  wrote:

Hi Dave,

Can you explain?
I do not understand why Dave is angry.
I dont think Matthias wanted to offend Dave.

Thanks.
Peter

Am 2. August 2022 16:54:04 MESZ schrieb Dave Fisher :

I think you owe Dave an apology, but that’s just my opinion.

If he has truly moved on I expect him to be professional and resign from 
moderation.

All the best,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Matthias Seidel  wrote:


I am not sure what happened here...

But his statement is clear, he now wants to be an "Anti-AOO promoter".

According to Whimsy he is moderator of several OO mailing lists. We
should discuss if we need to remove his rights.

Regards,

   Matthias


Am 02.08.22 um 07:21 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
I am surprised on the end of this discussion. I did not expect a rage
quit.

There is no reason to take this personal. But well I guess it is to
late for that.


Am 01.08.22 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
Hi Matthias,

Sorry, when I used the jovial expression "HOARDS" I didn't realise you
had absolutely no sense of humour.

Since 2001 I have trained more users of OOO.org, AOO and LO than you
have ever had contact with. So please do NOT! (expletives deleted)
talk down to me about users. I know users, YOU DO NOT, you only guess
who they might be.

YOU have just won your beloved project an Anti-AOO promoter. From here
on the ASF and AOO can "Stick it where the sun don't shine".

Don't waste time with any replies, because all messages from this list
will now be directed to null/dev.

BYE AOO!


On 01/08/2022 21:28, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Dave,

Am 01.08.22 um 22:17 schrieb Dave:

Hi Matthias,

Sorry, but you loose that bet.

I temporarily put aside my loathing and detestation of GNOME and
installed the standard Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME desktop edition. My only
readily available box was an AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor with
16Gb
RAM. Not an exact match for Peter's hardware, but possibly close
enough.

Pity these galactic hoards of GNOME users didn't step up and offer
SOMETHING to assist Peter.

I never spoke of *hoards* but I don't think we should ignore our user.

And users normally don't step up, that needs a developer.


@Peter:
On this Ubuntu setup I removed LO and installed the released AOO
4.1.13
edition. I opened your document and tried every trick I could think of
to create a crash, but it remained rock solid.

Is there any difference between the RC and released code?

No.

Regards,

Matthias


Regards
Dave


On 01/08/2022 17:32, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Dave,

Am 01.08.22 um 18:25 schrieb Dave:

Hi Matthias,

Cinnamon, but I run PCLinuxOS KDE on my main production box.

I have never been a fan of GNOME.

I bet you would get a crash when using GNOME. ;-)

Someone should have a look into it, these crashes are annoying and
a lot
of people *are* using GNOME...

Regards,

Matthias


Regards
Dave

On 01/08/2022 16:59, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Dave,

Which desktop environment are you using on Linux Mint?

We do have some issues with Ubuntu (GNOME) and other
distributions when
GNOME is used as DE.

Regards,

Matthias

Am 01.08.22 um 17:53 schrieb Dave:

On 01/08/2022 06:57, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hi all,

I had this morning some wired effects, during my work with AOO.

As soon as I have added a OLE Calc part through Copy&Paste (From
LibreOffice :-D ), I get performance issues including crashes.

Has anyone heard of performance issues in this constraint?

Check out the document:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZScKadukzWfZGeJWsTEaGf1ORrLrmwGl/view?usp=sharing


I am on Ubunutu 20.04. AOO is the 4.1.13 RC candidate.

My machine is an Intel 

Re: [REQUEST] Directory name for the user data in Windows versions

[Marcus]

Am 28.07.22 um 21:35 schrieb Brian Barker:

At 19:31 28/07/2022 +0200, Marcus Noname wrote:
does someone has a documentation source where to find the user 
directories listed for all Windows versions - let's say since Windows XP?


I was going to suggest earlier (when you were discussing telling users 
how to find their profiles) that, if you are using this to talk to 
users, then the environment variable %APPDATA% is (I think) all you 
need. This has the advantage of avoiding two problems: part of the path 
to this is through a folder hidden by default, and some users may not be 
aware of their own Windows user name.


I'm aware of the variable. However, I wanted to avoid this as it's to, 
hm, variable when showing path names as example. ;-)


But maybe it's indeed the best way when covering all Windows versions. 
To reach also the inexperienced users I've to add an explaination how to 
use this variable, e.g., in the Windows Explorer.


Nevertheless, do you have a source for full path names?

Thanks for your help.

Marcus

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[REQUEST] Directory name fot the user data in Windows versions

[Marcus]

Hi,

does someone has a documentation source where to find the user 
directories listed for all Windows versions - let's say since Windows XP?


Thanks

Marcus

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Re: [www] download page (de) - link to report a broken download link

[Marcus]

Am 27.07.22 um 21:41 schrieb Czesław Wolański:

It works. Thank you, Marcus.

BTW: Do you really need a period sign in

  *) Was ist eine Mailing Liste?.

on the said page?...


not really. Maybe I remember that when working again on webpages.

Marcus




Am Mi., 27. Juli 2022 um 21:25 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel <
matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>:


Hi Marcus,

Am 27.07.22 um 21:17 schrieb Marcus:

Am 27.07.22 um 20:38 schrieb Marcus:

Am 27.07.22 um 15:36 schrieb Czesław Wolański:


German version, link "Kaputten Link melden" takes you to a blank page.
Is it by design?

https://www.openoffice.org/de/download/analyze.html


good catch.

I think an include of the English strings is missing.
I'll fix it.


luckily an easy fix.
Done.


Thanks, looks good!

Matthias



Marcus


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