Re: future of OpenOffice

[RA Stehmann]

Am 13.01.2017 um 11:39 schrieb RA Stehmann:

> 
> I am looking for a Template for "Game of live".

Sorry:
"Game of life"

Regards
Michael




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Re: future of OpenOffice

[RA Stehmann]

Am 13.01.2017 um 10:43 schrieb toki:

> ^1: All of the games (Flight Simulator, Space Invaders, Tick Tack Toe)
> have been removed from LibO and AOo.  However, templates for various
> games are available.

I am looking for a Template for "Game of live".

Kind reagards
Michael





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Re: future of OpenOffice

[RA Stehmann]

Is the past on topic for the future?

Is a dogmatist a good pontifex?

Regards
Michael




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Re: future of OpenOffice

[RA Stehmann]

Am 11.01.2017 um 11:34 schrieb Nagy Ákos:
> The code is owned by comunity (1500+ individual people) not by TDF.
> Each developer own our part from code.
> 
> And I don't think that majority from this people want to change the
> licence, because with LGPL+MPL the whole LO code need to be leave open,
> with apache licence the code can be closed, like IMB Symphony grab the
> OOo code, and close it.
> 

So a merge with the ASF as suggested by Suhail Ansari is not possible.
That is a good reason for EOD.

Regards
Michael





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Re: ASF Table at FOSDEM

[RA Stehmann]

Am 04.01.2017 um 19:13 schrieb Sharan Foga:
> Hello Everyone
> 
> I'm posting a message here to make sure that you all know there will be only 
> one combined ASF projects table at FOSDEM this year.
> 
> https://s.apache.org/hCGA
> 
> I did apply for 2 tables (one for OpenOffice and one for other ASF projects) 
> but they were completely oversubscribed and had to reduce our allocation to 
> only one. This means that OpenOffice won't have a permanent table and will 
> need to plan time to be present on the general ASF one. 

That is inappropriate, but no tragedy.

> I've been updating the details on the FOSDEM wiki page so please take a look 
> and highlight when people from the OpenOffice community would like to be 
> present at the ASF table to promote the project.
> 
We are 3 persons of the common Apache OpenOffice booth team at FOSDEM.
You can be sure, that at least one of us will be at the booth all the
time (not the same person all the time ;-) ). We need people not only
behind the table, but also in front of it.

We will reduce our booth equipment a little bit to save place.

Kind regards
Michael





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Re: Questions about AOO Users

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

only a few remarks:

Am 24.11.2016 um 07:02 schrieb toki:
> On 23/11/16 22:10, Crystal wrote:
.
> 
>> 2.)Approximately how many users of OpenOffice are there worldwide?
> 
> Being FLOSS, there is no way to know if one download represents one
> user, or 40,000 users. Likewise, there is no way to know if the same
> person downloaded the program two or more times. Currently, there are
> roughly 100,000 downloads of Apache OpenOffice every day.
> 
> To do the statistical analysis of OS, and where people download the
> program from, go to
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/json?start_date=2015-01-01&end_date=2016-11-22
> 
> One major issue, is that this data is from SourceForge, and reflects
> that percentage of the population that uses either Windows, or Mac OS X.
> Linux users tend to download AOo from the distro repository. Users of
> versions of *Nix tend to compile from source.

In most Linux distributions AOO is yet not included. So nowadays Linux
users are in the same situation like other users.

But there are more ways of distribution than SourceForge. There are
other mirrors and download possibilities. Magazines distribute AOO via
optical media. You can get AOO from your neighbour. AOO is part of Free
Software compilations like the PrOOoBox. And so on ... .

Because there is no permission or registration needed to share or
distribute AOO, all figures are not really significant to identify the
number of users.

You can only say, that AOO has one of the largest number of users of all
Free Software projects.
> 
>> 4.)On average per year, how many times does OpenOffice release an 
>> update/patch?
> 
> Currently, AOo does one release per year.
>  
Even that is no fix figure. If more releases are neccessary, there will
be more.

Kind regards
Michael



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Next Events

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

the next events with our participation are:

OpenRheinRuhr

5th and 6th of November 2016 in Operhausen, Germany, Ruhr area. Very
nice location: a museum of industry. Next to a train station and very
near free (as in free beer) parking. One of the main events in Germany.

http://openrheinruhr.de/

A week later:

T-Dose

T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use
and development of Free Software. During this event Free Software
projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and knowledge. This
years event will be held at the Fontys University of Applied Science in
Eindhoven on November 12 and 13.

http://t-dose.org/

Come and visit our booth!

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: In regards to Open Office

[RA Stehmann]

Am 02.10.2016 um 14:05 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:

> 
> And the truth is this there are two ISO standards, and neither of the two is 
> an
> ISO standard second class.
> 
I disagree with the second half sentence for a variety of reasons. But
that is no topic for this mailing list.

Kind regards
Michael





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Re: Hello

[RA Stehmann]

Hello Mark,

thank you for your offer and a heartly welcome.

Regards
Michael
Duesseldorf, Rhine-Area, Germany

Am 28.09.2016 um 02:04 schrieb R. Mark Aldrich:
> Hi,
> 
> My name is Mark Aldrich and I am planning on offering my help with 
> development. I live in Beaverton, Oregon, USA, a city just southwest of 
> Portland. I think of myself as a software engineer because I have been 
> writing code for over 40 years. In my spare time, I do woodworking.
> 
> I am currently going through the first section of the Orientation Module.
> 
> Mark
> 




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Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

[RA Stehmann]

Am 08.09.2016 um 14:21 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:

> 
> There are two articles on german technical and Free Software news
> portals and regarding to the comments they also got a lot of attention.
> 

Sorry, it was uncomplete:

There are two articles on german technical and Free Software news
portals about our new recruitment mailing list and  ...

Kind regards
Michael



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good news

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

I contacted Heise, an IT-newsportal, and had a little success:

They report about our recruitment mailing list:

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Mailingliste-fuer-neue-OpenOffice-Entwickler-eingerichtet-3314692.html

Kind regard
Michael



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Re: Resigning from Apache OpenOffice

[RA Stehmann]

Am 02.09.2016 um 15:43 schrieb Kay Schenk:
> I'm resigning from Apache OpenOffice. I've been an unpaid volunteer with
> OpenOffice.org and Apache OpenOffice since April, 2001.  At this point, I'm
> thinking it's time to move on.
> .
> 
Thank you very much for your great work. And good luck for the future.

With a little tear in my eye

Michael




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Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

[RA Stehmann]

Am 02.09.2016 um 14:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

> 
> What is obvious is that the AOO project cannot support, at the present
> time, being an end-user focused effort. I would suggest we focus on not
> being one, but instead being a framework or library that can be consumed
> by actual end-user implementations.
> 

If AOO is not an end-user focused project a lot of people will leave
this community because they will be useless. People who are doing
end-user support, who are doing end-user documentation and are doing
what we call "marketing" etc.

Also people, who build binaries are obsolet. Only coders will be needed
and I don't know, whether all remained will stay under that conditions.

I don't see a great difference between that way and a retirement.

The first way might be the "Apache way", but it is definitely not the
way for and of the OpenOffice community.

Just my 2 cents.

Kind regards
Michael






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Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

our discussion became public:

http://www.linux-magazin.de/content/view/full/106599

This shows a public interest. So "going public" seems not to difficult.

Kind regards
Michael





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FrOSCon 2016

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

Free Software is the topic of FrOSCon (Free and Open Source Software
Conference). This year on 20th and 21st August 2016 the computer science
department of the University of Applied Sciences Bonn-Rhein-Sieg, in
St.Augustin, near Bonn, the former capital of the Federal Republic of
Germany, supported by the "Linux/Unix User Group Sankt Augustin" (LUUSA)
and FrOSCon e.V.  organized a good and interesting program with talks
and workshops for visitors of all ages. The event was topped off with a
fair of booths from FLOSS projects and companies. The social event,
celebrated at Saturday night, offered the opportunity to exchange
opinions with other visitors, speakers or volunteers. FrOSCon is one of
the three largest and most important events of its kind in Germany.

Apache OpenOffice had a booth at FrOSCon 2016. Our experienced and "well
networked" booth team exhibited Apache OpenOffice and the ASF to
visitors, speakers, volunteersand and other exhibitors.

Our booth was amongst other things decorated with a roll up display
showing the new ASF logo and we distributed amongst other things
stickers with the new ASF logo and little stickes with the new feather,
which were in demand.

On our booth computer we could present the version 4.1.2 with the new
patch and a nightly build of the 4.2. to the public.

Our booth "hosted" also a friend from the LibreOffice project, so
visitors could get authentic advice for both products. Also a member of
the Board of Directors of "The Document Foundation" visit our booth a
few times to talk with us.

We also had the opportunity to talk with an ASF member.

The next events with an Apache OpenOffice booth in the region will be
the OpenRheinRuhr in Oberhausen, Germany, and T-Dose, Eindhoven, The
Netherlands, both in November.

Kind regards
Michael







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Re: Anfrage

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

I will foreward this posting to users...@openoffice.apache.org .

Kind regards
Michael

Am 01.05.2016 um 12:29 schrieb p...@pc-stammtisch-eichenau.de:
> W. Rasenberger   82 223 Eichenau, Taubenstraße 17,
>1.5.16
> 
> (: 08141 / 386 126
> 
> 
> 
> ~  dev@openoffice.apache.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Betreff/Bezug: Writer
> 
> 
> 
> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> 
> 
> 
> eine eingefügte Grafik nimmt leider die gesamte Satzspiegelbreite ein.
> 
> Wie muß ich vorgehen, um hier von Anfang an die Grafik auf eine bestimmte 
> Breite zu beschränken? In den dazugehörigen Vorlagen fand ich leider nichts 
> diesbezügliches.
> 
> 
> 
> Falls es diese Möglichkeit noch nicht gibt, bitte ich Sie hiermit, diese sehr 
> bald zur Verfügung zu stellen.
> 
> 
> 
> Mich interessiert Ihre Stellungnahme. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mit frdl. Gruß!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> W. Rasenberger
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Re: Food for Thought

[RA Stehmann]

On 15.02.2016 23:14, Patricia Shanahan wrote:


> The typical AOO user is a Windows-using non-programmer. I found just
> building AOO on Windows a challenging two week project, for which I
> needed a lot of help, despite prior familiarity with Subversion and
> Cygwin. As a practical matter, most people who need a bug fixed to make
> AOO useful to them simply do not have the option of taking it into their
> own hands.
> 
> Incidentally, that cultural difference may affect the severity of data
> loss bugs. I find someone working for an extended period on a document
> with no revision control or off-site backup a little shocking at first
> sight. Then I realized I learned about the importance of revision
> control and off-site backup on the job, not in my non-programming life.
> 
> Maybe it would be helpful for the PMC to select a very, very short "Most
> wanted" list, based on user requests, feedback at conferences etc. That
> would help new AOO recruits pick a focus.

There are two differences between AOO and most of the other Apache projects.

The first is a technical one: The huge size of the code.

The second is a "social" one: AOO is an enduser project, and not a
project developing code used by it-professionals. Patricia described it
well above.

So AOO has to find a special "Apache Way" of doing things proper.

I'm a living example for that: I'm a member of the PMC without ever
having written a single line of code for AOO (Shame on me ;-) ). I
think, you won't find such cases in other Apache PMCs.

For an OpenOffice supporter it is quite normal doing other things than
developing the code: Doing QA, documentation, translation, user support
and training, extensions, so called marketing etc.

So we have to find procedures, how all these people with different
functions can collaborate in a proper way.

Just a little more "Food for Thought".

Kind regards
Michael





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FOSDEM 2016

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

you can find my report about the FOSDEM 2016 and the Apache booth (in
german language) with a picture under:

http://blogs.fsfe.org/stehmann/?p=1703

Kind regards
Michael



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Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2016

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

the "Chemnitzer Linux-Tage" will be on 19th and 20th of March 2016. It's
one of the largest Free Software events in Central Europe.

Apache OpenOffice will have a booth there.

We will also present the new Apache logo.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: John McCreesh

[RA Stehmann]

We will never forget his name.

We never met him, but when we start working with OpenOffice.org, we read
each single line of his "OpenOffice.org 1.0, ODBC, and MySQL 'How-to'" [0].

Kind Regards
Michael

[0] http://www.unixodbc.org/doc/OOoMySQL9.pdf




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Re: Fwd: Your stand proposal for FOSDEM 2016 has been rejected

[RA Stehmann]

On 15.12.2015 10:10, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Perfect, so we go for the common big booth as we hoped! Do we need any
> OpenOffice-specific materials?
> 
We have some english and french flyers, but in black and white only. So
dutch flyers are needed (and italian of course ;-) ).

We have also german flyers (black and white and colour).

We have pins and stickers (with sea gulls).

We could need some more sticker postcards.

I hope, the Apache people will bring some feathers.

Regards
Michael






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Fwd: Your stand proposal for FOSDEM 2016 has been rejected

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

good news wrapped as bad news:

There is no Apache OpenOffice stand at FOSDEM 2016, because there is a
common Apache booth (see below). Our wishes will become true. Good news!

Mechtilde and I will be there with some materials presenting Apache
OpenOffice.

We look forward to see you at FOSDEM 2016.

Kind regards
Michael

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Your stand proposal for FOSDEM 2016 has been rejected
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 21:24:38 +0100 (CET)
From: FOSDEM Stands Team 
To: Michael 

Hi Michael,

The FOSDEM stands team is sorry to have to inform you that your request
for a stand for 'Apache OpenOffice' has been rejected.

Like most years, we received roughly twice as many requests for stands
as we have tables available. We have aimed to grant as many requests as
feasible and to increase the diversity of the accepted stands. Because
of this, we have unfortunately had to reject some projects that have
been present in previous years years.

However, we did accept the proposal from the 'Apache Software Foundation'
and grant them two tables. It might be possible to present your project
via their stand in some way. However, it will be up to them to decide if
and how they would like to do this. The primary contact for this
proposal is Daniel Gruno . We have suggested to
him that he may contact you.


Kind regards,

Johan van Selst
FOSDEM stands team






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Fwd: Ihre Praesentation bei den Chemnitzer Linux-Tagen 2016

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

we made a request for a booth on the  Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2016 at 19th
and 20th of march 2016.

See https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2016/de

Kind regards
Michael


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Ihre Praesentation bei den Chemnitzer Linux-Tagen 2016
Date: Thu,  3 Dec 2015 17:58:18 +0100 (CET)
From: CLT2016 Live-Team 
To: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de

Hallo!

Vielen Dank fuer Deinen Beitrag zu den Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2016. Weitere
Informationen erhaeltst du im Januar per E-Mail.

Bitte kontaktiere das Live-Team bei Fragen und Problem per E-Mail:
l...@linux-tage.de

Viele Gruesse, das CLT-Team 2016


Hier nochmal die wichtigsten von Ihnen übermittelten Daten:

Anzahl gemeldeter Personen: 2
Die gemeldeten Personen sind:

Anrede:m
Titel: Dr.
Vorname:   Michael
Nachname:  Stehmann
Email (intern):anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de
Email (extern):
Webseite (privat): http://canzeley.de
Beruf: Rechtsanwalt
Firma:
Webseite (Firma):  http://rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de/

Anrede:w
Titel:
Vorname:   Mechtilde
Nachname:  Stehmann
Email (intern):o...@mechtilde.de
Email (extern):
Webseite (privat):
Beruf:
Firma:
Webseite (Firma):

Beitragstitel: Apache OpenOffice

Abstract: Apache OpenOffice ist die  Freie und offene Büro-Software für
Textverarbeitung, Tabellenkalkulationen, Präsentationen, Grafiken und
vieles andere mehr. Als Freie Software implementiert es einen weltweit
anerkannten offenen Standard.

Apache OpenOffice, derzeit in der Version 4.1.2, ist das Ergebnis mehr
als zwanzigjähriger professioneller Softwareentwicklung. Diese Software
gibt es nicht nur für die gängigen Plattformen, sondern auch in
zahlreichen Sprachen. Es wird besonders für den produktiven Einsatz in
Büros und Verwaltungen entwickelt.

Apache OpenOffice ist aber nicht nur ein ausgereiftes Softwareprodukt,
sondern auch eine großartige, weltweite Gemeinschaft von Entwicklern,
Autoren von Dokumentation, Übersetzern, ehrenamtlichen Helfern für
Anwender und auch Menschen, die Apache OpenOffice auf Veranstaltungen
präsentieren.

Webseite (Beitrag): http://www.openoffice.org/de/

Aufsteller: 2
Tische: 1
Stehtische: 1
Sonstiges:

Laptops:   3
PCs:   1
Monitore:  1
Beamer:0
Sonstiges: Switch, Kabel etc.

Bemerkungen:







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T-Dose 2015

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

bad news:

Because of personal reasons, we are unable to go to Eindhoven this weekend.

We have to cancel the booth, if nobody else wants to run it.

Regards
Michael



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OpenRheinRuhr 2015

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

we have a booth at the OpenRheinRuhr 2015 in Oberhausen in Germany. Next
to our booth were our friends promoting the ProOO-Box.

You find my report (with pictures) in german language under:

http://blogs.fsfe.org/stehmann/?p=1602

The next booth will be at T-DOSE

http://www.t-dose.org/

on 28th and 29zh of November 2015 in Eindhoven, The Netherlands.

And we hope for a  great common Apache stand at FOSDEM in Brussels.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: [DISCUSS] Fwd: Re: FOSDEM 2016 - Call for Participation - Fwd: Acknowledging your stand request (Apache OpenOffice)

[RA Stehmann]

FYI

Regards

Michael


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Acknowledging your stand request (Apache OpenOffice)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:36:37 +0100 (CET)
From: sta...@fosdem.org
To: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de
CC: sta...@fosdem.org

Stand Request for FOSDEM 2016

We acknowledge that we have received your request for the following stand.
After we review all stands requests, we will inform you accordingly via
email.

Project: Apache OpenOffice
Coordinator: Michael Stehmann
Coordinator email: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de
Secondary contact: Mechtilde Stehmann
Secondary email: o...@mechtilde.de

Description:
Apache OpenOffice is the leading Free office software suite for word
processing, spreadsheets, presentations, graphics, databases and more.
It is available in many languages and works on all common computers. It
stores all your data in an international open standard format and can
also read and write files from other common office software packages.

Apache OpenOffice is the result of over twenty years' software
engineering. Apache OpenOffice is now developed by a great international
community.

Coordinator's affinity to the project:
member of the Project Management Committee (PMC), committer

Why does it fit FOSDEM
Apache OpenOffice has joined FOSDEM often in the past.

This request is only for the case, Apache do not get a common booth (stand).

Relevant URLs:


Number of tables:
One

Special requirements:


Kind Regards,
FOSDEM 2016 stands team






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Re: [QA]

[RA Stehmann]

Hello Dolores,

it's pleasant, that you will support our QA.

Confirming new defect reports and verifying fixed defects are important
task to improve our Free Office Suite.

Kind regards
Michael



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Thank you!

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

heartfelt thanks go to all of you, who worked on 4.1.2.

It is a precision landing for OpenRheinRuhr http://openrheinruhr.de and
T-DOSE http://www.t-dose.org/ .

Very special thanks go to Andrea.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[RA Stehmann]

On 28.10.2015 09:41, JZA wrote:

> 
> Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
> fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
> just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
> focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
> about exactly?
> 
Writing blog posts about the people in the community, especially "fresh
blood" seems to be a good idea.

Kind regards
Michael




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Re: [VOTE] Release 4.1.2-RC3 as OpenOffice 4.1.2

[RA Stehmann]

On 23.10.2015 13:50, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> So please VOTE on releasing RC3 (as defined above) as OpenOffice 4.1.2:
> [  ] +1 Approve
> [  ]  0 Abstain
> [  ] -1 Disapprove, with explanation
> 
+1 Approve

de-deb 32 bit

Regards
Michael



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64 bit Linux builds for 4.1.2

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

for testing 64 bit Linux builds are needed.

Do we have any we can use for testing AOO 4.1.2?

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: [DISCUSS] Fwd: Re: FOSDEM 2016 - Call for Participation

[RA Stehmann]

On 28.09.2015 23:08, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 28/09/2015 RA Stehmann wrote:
>> as promised Mechtilde and I will join the Apache booth (stand) team at
>> FOSDEM 2016.
> 
> So you think it's better not to apply (additionally) as OpenOffice? We
> don't have any assurance that the ASF will be granted a stand, and
> OpenOffice has always been granted one for years.

Before your posting, I've no doubts, that Apache will get a booth at
FOSDEM, if they ask for it. Especially, if they say, they will come with
Apache OpenOffice.

Apache is one of the major (and greatest ;-) ) projects in the Free
Software world.

> 
>> It's a great pleasure for us, that the greater Apache Community joins
>> FOSDEM with a booth.
> 
> I was assuming/understanding that we would have sent both the OpenOffice
> request (highly likely to be approved; but less important) and the ASF
> request (new, so less likely; but more important). And that, if both
> were approved, we would merge the tables, or if one was approved we
> would share the table.

We might get a problem, if both booths are granted, but in different
places. It isn't a proper behavior to quit one of the booths in that case.

> 
> So no doubt we would all be together, in any case; I thought we would
> try and maximize the chance of getting a presence.
> 
> It appears Daniel has already sent a request on behalf on the ASF
> (deadline is in November) but I haven't seen it at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2016 or on the
> lists, so I have no idea about the contents. I just want to be sure that
> the ASF at large, and OpenOffice as part of it, get a presence under
> whatever name; and that we maximize our chances to be at FOSDEM.
> 

Perhaps we should make a conditional request. But the best thing would
be, that Daniel ask the orga sufficiently early before the deadline.
They are all nice human beings.

Regards
Michael





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Re: [DISCUSS] Fwd: Re: FOSDEM 2016 - Call for Participation

[RA Stehmann]

On 28.09.2015 22:45, Guy Waterval wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm intending to come to help you on the stand for french speakers. It will
> be a real pleasure to meet you again.
> 
> Regards
> 
We also look forward to meet you again.

Regards
Michael



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Re: [DISCUSS] Fwd: Re: FOSDEM 2016 - Call for Participation

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

as promised Mechtilde and I will join the Apache booth (stand) team at
FOSDEM 2016.

It's a great pleasure for us, that the greater Apache Community joins
FOSDEM with a booth.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: T-Dose 2015 - Helpers wanted

[RA Stehmann]

On 31.07.2015 11:42, jan i wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Super to hear we will have presence at one more event, thanks for making it
> happen.

Just for totality:

We also join the OpenRheinRuhr in Oberhausen on 7th and 8th of November
2015.

http://openrheinruhr.de/aussteller.html

I'll ask the german community for helpers.

> 
> I cannot participate, but I can offer
> - Apache stickers (if you are running low)
> - A big Apache feather poster to hang behind the booth (lending not to keep)
>

Whether I'll need more feather stickers, I'll Know after OpenRheinRuhr.
Thank you very much for your offer.


> We are finally getting the big apache feather poster available here in
> europe (big thanks
> to Sally for sponsoring this from the marketing budget).
> 
> If you want I can get it sent to you after ACEU, and you either return it
> or keep it to FOSDEM.
> 
> Please also remember AOO still have an account with money, to be spent for
> marketing, so
> if you need AOO related material it is possible.
> 

T-Dose ist an import but manageable event. So our roll up will last.

Kind regards
Michael




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Re: ODF 1.2 and AOO ?

[RA Stehmann]

On 17.07.2015 14:00, Simon Phipps wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, jan i  wrote:
> 
>>
>> I thought ODF 1.2 was relative old, but I might be wrong.
>>
> 
> While it was approved as an OASIS standard in 2011, it only became an
> official and approved ISO standard in mid-June. More at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_standardization#OpenDocument_1.2

So it's something for our marketing.

Now we can say, that AOO supports the newest ISO standard of document
formats (Yes, other Free office suits do it, too.)

Regards
Michael




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Re: abmeldung

[RA Stehmann]

On 20.05.2015 18:18, Georg-Friedrich Schneider wrote:
> sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> 
> Ich bitte mich von der  "users...@openoffice.apache.org" abzumelden und
> meine E-Mail Adresse zu streichen, um keine Anfragen mehr zu erhalten.
> 
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> 
> G.-F. Schneider
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> 
> 
Das kannst Du nur selber.

Unter jeder Email steht, wie es geht: "To unsubscribe, ..."

Gruß
Michael



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Re: Double licence ALv2.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0

[RA Stehmann]

On 11.03.2015 10:53, jan i wrote:
> On 11 March 2015 at 10:33, Guy Waterval  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As it seems that I will be retired in advance (4 years) in July, I will
>> have more time and I plan to join another project. As this project uses a
>> different licence (CC-BY-SA 3.0), I would use for my original
>> contributions, currently under ALv2.0, a double licence (ALv2.0 and
>> CC-BY-SA 3.0) to make my contributions regarding OpenOffice (currently docs
>> only) available for the 2 projects.
>>
> We do not have a problem with double licensing, actually it is in use for
> quite a number of places.
> 
> The preferred way is of course to submit the original with the ALv2
> license, and then add the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license when committing to the
> second project. This is the standard way with absolutely no problems
> independent of how closed or open the second license is.
> 
> You can also add the double license directly in our repo, here we would
> need to look more careful at the license to see if it limits our own usage
> or that of downstream projects.
> 
A second license in addition to ALv2.0 can't limit the usage because the
user has the choice to contract one or both of the licenses.

But: if a user creates a derived work and puts it unter CC-BY_SA only,
Apache can't use the derived work.

("Use" includes also "improve" and "share".)

So the problem is the use of improvements.

Kind regards
Michael




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Re: [VOTE][RESULTS] What should we do with the "Why Compliance?" page on the website

[RA Stehmann]

On 23.02.2015 17:41, Rob Weir wrote:

> [ ] Make changes in that text parts where the facts are wrong or the
> tone does not fit or ASF rules were broken.
> 
> 4 PMC votes for this option: Rob,Marcus, Kay and Juergen

Here's another vote (binding) for this alternative.
> 

> It looks like Andrea is already proposing some revisions, so the
> majority option is already in progress,
> 

I've great confidence, that Andrea will do this work very well.

Kind regards
Michael





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Re: OOo4Kids & OOoLight Status

[RA Stehmann]

On 15.02.2015 23:14, Guy Waterval wrote:


> 
> You could reduce the number of options here. For instance OOoLight is not
> necessary. The differences with OOo4Kids are too small.
> Novice, Intermediate and Advanced (AOO without modifications) should be
> enough (personal opinion).
> 
IMO the brand (OOoLight) should be kept and a special skin, so adults
need not to use a "kiddy" skin, if they want to use a lighter office suit.

But this may not be important.

Regards
Michael



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Re: OOo4Kids & OOoLight Status

[RA Stehmann]

On 13.02.2015 09:05, jan i wrote:

> 
> 
>> I cannot see them included in the original IP clearance, so my best guess
>> is that they were forgotten, but others might know more.
> 

I think, that both products are derived works from OpenOffice.org.

Maybe the people, who developed both projects, have not all signed a
copyright assignment contract with SUN or Oracle.

So we have to aware some legal problems.

We should find out first, who are the developers of these products and
how we can contact them.

OOo4Kids is a fine product and can be important for the success of Free
Software.

Kind regards
Michael







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Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate "Compliance Costs"

[RA Stehmann]

On 02.02.2015 14:34, Simon Phipps wrote:

> 
> That sounds a good move, Andrea. However, one question that needs asking is
> why the AOO project (as opoosed to Apache in general) needs this page at
> all. Now that LibreOffice uses the Mozilla license (which is not known for
> compliance risks), which GPL-licensed suite is this page helping users
> avoid?
> 

All licenses with a copyleft, even with the weakest, force developers
into compliance (but never users). A developer has to find out in all
cases, whether he or she could satisfy the copyleft clause and - if
applicable - in what way she or he can do it.

A problem as well is, that there are too many free software licenses.

Nevertheless I'm a "fan boy" of a powerful copyleft. Freedom is
necessarily stressful.

Kind regards
Michael





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Re: FOSDEM from a personal view.

[RA Stehmann]

On 02.02.2015 19:31, jan i wrote:

> I had a talk with a couple of other non-AOO apache people, and we all
> agreed to try and make an apache stand next year (with AOO of course), to
> have ASF represented, and to help Stehmanns in their good work.

A good example for the way Apache should go, was the booth (stand) next
to us. There were a lot of "yapc"s all around the world,before perl
people realize that it is a good idea to have booths on "normal" free
software conferences. Even there was a perl dev room at FOSDEM there
were a lot of talks at the perl booth too.

Apache was not present on "normal" free software conferences I know,
before OpenOffice became an Apache project and continued marketing
activities on these conferences.

Everybody knows the Apache webserver and OpenOffice is wellknown too.
But Apache as whole and many Apache projects might have advantages by
better public relations.

So it might be our gift as a "new" Apache project to promote Apache (as
a whole) as a more and better integrated part of the free software
community.

So let show us the diversity of Apache!

Kind regards
Michael

P.S.: Thank you very much for your commendation, Jan.





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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[RA Stehmann]

On 30.01.2015 19:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> 
> Who of the two candidates do you prefer to replace Andrea Pescetti as
> the OpenOffice project PMC Chair?
> [ ] Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid)

[X] Jan Iversen (jani)
binding

Regards
Michael Stehmann



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Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair

[RA Stehmann]

On 26.01.2015 15:20, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:17 AM, jan i  wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to
>> change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is
>> generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send
>> this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role.
>>
>> I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time
>> limit.
>>
> 
> But is there a limit on how many times one can vocally resign from a
> community before one loses credibility?
> 

Not one or two times, not seven times and not seven multiplied by
seventyseven times.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: [DISCUSS] #1 New PMC Chair (was RE: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice)

[RA Stehmann]

On 25.01.2015 00:20, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

Apart from his official duties the PMC chair is seen as the
representative of AOO by the public (Whether we like it or not.)

So IMO we have to discuss what are our expectations to a PMC chair in
that role.

As said "critical" points are the relations to LibreOffice and to
companies, which are able to contribute code or anything else to our
project.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: FOSDEM materials, shipping address

[RA Stehmann]

On 19.01.2015 13:43, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> RA Stehmann wrote:
>> If nobody else wants to do the job, please send the marketing materials
>> for FOSDEM to me
> 
> This is being handled off-list. Materials will be delivered directly to
> me in Brussels. This gives us one extra day. Margins should be
> comfortable since Michal should be able to send stuff already tomorrow.
> 

Ok, because it was off-list, I didn't know that. It was important for
me.that Michal, who obviously did a fine job, gets an answer.

Kind regards
Michael





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Re: Step back from the PMC

[RA Stehmann]

Very sad to hear that.

A great loss for the germanophone community.

With the very best wishes for your professionell an personal future.

Michael

On 19.01.2015 08:56, Raphael Bircher wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> To be honest, I hate to write this mail. I don't like to left the
> OpenOffice Community. Everyone who knows me, knows that I have invested
> a load of time in this project. I was a part since nine years.
> Unfortunaly I have to leave now. I was also one of the Facebook Admins,
> I will kick myself out today.
> 
> I like to say thank you to you all and wish you all the best for the
> future.
> 
> In the heart I will stay a Apache!
> 
> Bye Bye Raphael
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> 
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Re: FOSDEM materials, shipping address

[RA Stehmann]

On 18.01.2015 11:28, Michal Hri wrote:
> Hi,
> I need *exact* shipping address, where to send marketing materials for 
> FOSDEM. Thanks in advance,Michal Hriň
> 
If nobody else wants to do the job, please send the marketing materials
for FOSDEM to me:

Dr.Michael Stehmann
Gladbacher Str. 3
D-40764 Langenfeld
Germany

(This isn't the address for the invoice ;-) .)

We will go to Brussels on Friday, 30th of January, so the material
should come earlier. It would be better, if the material arrive in this
week.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[RA Stehmann]

On 15.01.2015 01:00, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> 
> Do you approve that, in his capacity as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair,
> Andrea Pescetti submits a resolution to the Board asking to be replaced
> by Louis Suárez-Potts as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair?
> [ ] +1 Yes
> [ ]  0 Abstain
> [ ] -1 No
> 

[ ] +1 Yes
[ ]  0 Abstain
[X] -1 No

I think the time is wrong now to change the PMC chair.

IMO we (committers, PMC members, etc.) should discuss first, what we
expect from a PMC chairperson and how we can support him (or her).

What is our role model for a PMC chair? Candidates has described, what
they want to do and what they expect from us, But IMO they don't know
our expectations and our ideas of the improvement of the project.

Afterwards candidates can better appreciate, whether they are fit and
proper to fullfill this function to improve project and community. And
maybe we'll have a real choice between two or more candidates than.

Andrea has made a great job and it's very honorable, that he wants to
give us the chance to find a new person representing and leading our
project. So it's hard for me to say to him: please stay a little longer.

But time isn't IMO ripe yet.

Excuse my poor english.

Kind regards
Michael











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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[RA Stehmann]

On 14.01.2015 01:46, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Remember that, beyond the "basics", we still can consider the "extended
> wishlist"
> 

This

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16085134929/

is IMO a very proper picture for a poster.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[RA Stehmann]

On 14.01.2015 01:46, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> 
> 
> Michael, Mechtilde, what about the quantity? Shall we go for about 500
> pins with the plain orb and 500 stickers with the OpenOffice logo and a
> 15-year statement? What remains unused at FOSDEM could be used for other
> events.

That seems to be proper quantities.

Regards
Michael





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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[RA Stehmann]

On 12.01.2015 23:22, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:

> Of course, the community could create such roles—Marketing Leads, say. Done 
> that before, and it works fine. But I’m also keen—and I think others are, 
> too—in keeping to a minimum bureaucratic structures. (Not because I dislike 
> bureaucracy—I don’t, in theory, as a means of resolving differences—but 
> because titles and roles tend to calcify, and that I don’t think anyone 
> likes.) 

In the "historic" germanophone community we have roles called
"Ansprechpartner". That means a person, to whom topics can be addressed.
We have "Ansprechpartner" (contact persons) for marketing, QA; Mac-port,
website, translation etc..

So it was clear, that these persons had adopted a special responsbility,
but there was no special power given to them.

I think, it might be a first step, if some of the PMC members would
tell, for what topic they can be a contact person. Maybe we can add this
in the list of the PMC members on the website, improving transparency,
like we do it for mailinglists, blog, svn, bugzilla, wiki and social media.

Kind regards
Michael




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Re: Apache OpenOffice - Best Free Software 2014

[RA Stehmann]

On 31.12.2014 17:44, Donald Harbison wrote:
> Best free software of 2014: OpenOffice
> 
> 
> Wishing everyone volunteering in Apache OpenOffice a Happy New Year!
> 
The same old story:

There are two comments (2015-01-02 10:10 CET): LibreOffice is better and
the award is worthless.

How poor!

Regards
Michael





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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[RA Stehmann]

On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> RA Stehmann wrote:
>> On 19.12.2014 08:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>> Great, and do we need pins too? See
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; we
>>> can probably print/reprint some, I think we ran out of them during
>>> ApacheCon Budapest.
>> Yes, we need such pins very much. They run very well.
> 
> OK, so if we need them it will be time to have them printed!

Thank you.
> 
> FOSDEM, as Jan remarked, is the beginning of our "15 years"
> celebrations. So we could actually print pins and much more.
> 
> What would you like for the stand in general? We have a dedicated fund
> for events, so, within reason, costs are not a problem.
> 
> The important things are:
> - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
> in the next few days for this

The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.

English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
years" celebrations, they have to be produced.

We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
spanish ones).

We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.

Sticker postcards have been running out.

Little sweets are welcome.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[RA Stehmann]

On 18.12.2014 21:29, jan i wrote:
> On Thursday, December 18, 2014, RA Stehmann 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> we, Mechtilde and me, hope to see you at FOSDEM 2015.
> 
> I will be there, with apache stickers and a big smile.
> 
Thank you for your kind support.

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[RA Stehmann]

On 19.12.2014 08:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 18/12/2014 jan i wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 18, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> we, Mechtilde and me, hope to see you at FOSDEM 2015.
>> I will be there, with apache stickers and a big smile.
> 
> Great, and do we need pins too? See
> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; we
> can probably print/reprint some, I think we ran out of them during
> ApacheCon Budapest.
> 

Yes, we need such pins very much. They run very well.

Kind regards
Michael




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Fwd: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

we, Mechtilde and me, hope to see you at FOSDEM 2015.

Kind regards
Michael

 Original Message 
Subject: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:35:19 +0100 (CET)
From: FOSDEM Stands Team 
To: RA Stehmann 

Hi Michael,

The FOSDEM stands team is glad to be able to inform you that your request
for a stand for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted.
There will be one table reserved for you.

You will receive further information about what's expected of you closer
to the event date.

Looking forward to seeing you at FOSDEM 2015!


Kind regards,

Wynke Stulemeijer
FOSDEM stands team




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Re: Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2015

[RA Stehmann]

Sorry, there is a bug in my posting:

The application deadline for booths is on January _7th_ 2015.

https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2015/en/programm/anmeldung/live

Regards
Michael




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Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2015

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

Mechtilde and me will not take part at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2015.

https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2015/en/

So we will not organize the booth there (like in the last years).

I have asked the germanophone community, whether other persons will do
this job.

The application deadline for booths is on January 15th 2015.

 https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2015/en/programm/anmeldung/live

Regards
Michael



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Re: AOO at T-DOSE

[RA Stehmann]

On 04.11.2014 23:44, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 18/10/2014 Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote:
>> event will be held on 25 and 26 October 2014 at the Fontys
>> University of Applied Science in Eindhoven.
>> http://www.t-dose.org/
>> Like in the past Apache OpenOffice will participate with a booth.
> 
> How did it go? Thank you for attending so many events in Europe. If you
> wish to share some details by e-mail (or of course in a blog post, but I
> won't nag everybody too much with the need to use our blog more often),
> please do.
> 

I've so many events to report about and next weekend (8. + 9.11.) is the
next event (OpenRheinRuhr) with an Apache OpenOffice booth, but I will
try to find time for this.

Regards
Michael




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Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)

[RA Stehmann]

On 24.10.2014 11:14, Michal Hriň wrote:
> 
> 
> Dňa 24.10.2014 o 09:59 Jürgen Schmidt napísal(a):
>> On 24/10/14 07:54, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
 From: Andreas Säger [mailto:saege...@t-online.de]
>>>
 Being a customer, I do see things differently.
 Every OOXML file is a vote against ODF.
>>>
>>> theoretically correct, but practically?
>>>
 One day in future LO will save ODF as a secondary
 option.
>>>
>>> Possible.
>>>
>>> But where is the problem? Either OOXML *is* ISO standard or is not
>>> ISO-standard.
>>>
>>> If the problem is however that MS is 'meddling' in the standard, then
>>> it is a political issue that requires policy responses - not a
>>> question of software development.
>>>
 Finally MS wins
>>>
>>> There is no tomorrow (or "finally") for it - MS wins today.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Berliner-Finanzaemter-wechseln-zurueck-auf-Microsoft-Office-2430961.html
>>>
>>>
 MS comes up with the next shit
>>>
>>> life is not a pony farm and competition is not a throw with cotton
>>> balls. It is about the competition and we have to face, and not whine.
>>>
>>
>> I believe a decision like the one in Berlin is always political
>> motivated. See for example the upcoming discussion about the same topic
>> in Munich after changes in the administration.
>>
> 
> If you had elections in Berlin recently, that is it why ...
> 

No elections, but Berlin gets a new chief major this year.

Regards
Michael



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Re: Proposal: AOO 4.1.2

[RA Stehmann]

On 24.10.2014 10:11, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 24/10/14 10:00, RA Stehmann wrote:
>> On 23.10.2014 18:16, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> A short term goal, in addition to whatever 5.0 discussions we want to have.
>>>
>>> Let's try for a 4.1.2 release containing:
>>>
>>> 1) Whatever new languages/language updates we have, including of
>>> course dictionary updates.
>>>
>>> 2) Fixes for any critical bugs, especially any introduced in AOO
>>> 4.1.1.  Do we know yet which bugs these are?   Do we have a short list
>>> of the most critical ones?
>>>
>>> 3) Patches merged in from new dev volunteers.
>>>
>>> I think #3 is extremely important here.  Although not as evident to
>>> users, these small fixes and small enhancements reflect wins in the
>>> community.   We've had many new dev volunteers in the past few months
>>> working on "easy fixes".   Let's try to help them get their good work
>>> into the hands of users via a release, and give us all the good
>>> feeling that comes from shipping code.
>>>
>>> So this might be a slower release, since we're focused on new
>>> volunteers and mentoring them takes time.   But I think this is a
>>> worthwhile investment in the community.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>
>> It's ok for an exceptional case, but normally we should follow the
>> established release schema: x.y.0 and than x.y.1 and than either x+1.0.0
>> or x.y+1.0.
>>
>> It was communicated and is well known by the users, and we should
>> demonstrate reliableness.
>>
>> I don`t like a x.y.5 or higher version for AOO. I love distinction ;-).
> 
> Let's see the logic behind the version numbers
> 
> ..
> 
> : huge release with visible changes and new features including
> incompatible API changes if necessary. Translation updates are most
> often necessary to address the UI visible changes.
> 
> : smaller improvements of features that don't need any
> translation. And of course any kind of bug fixes.
> 
> : only selected bug fixes and most often only critical ones. This
> includes any potential security issues.
> 
> Keeping this in mind a 4.2 would probably make more sense but will we
> have enough fixes and minor improvements in place?
> 

I'm with you and Rob in this special case. Rules need exceptions.

But we have to communicate this exception very well and should
afterwards follow our approved schema again.

Kind regards
Michael





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Re: Proposal: AOO 4.1.2

[RA Stehmann]

On 23.10.2014 18:16, Rob Weir wrote:
> A short term goal, in addition to whatever 5.0 discussions we want to have.
> 
> Let's try for a 4.1.2 release containing:
> 
> 1) Whatever new languages/language updates we have, including of
> course dictionary updates.
> 
> 2) Fixes for any critical bugs, especially any introduced in AOO
> 4.1.1.  Do we know yet which bugs these are?   Do we have a short list
> of the most critical ones?
> 
> 3) Patches merged in from new dev volunteers.
> 
> I think #3 is extremely important here.  Although not as evident to
> users, these small fixes and small enhancements reflect wins in the
> community.   We've had many new dev volunteers in the past few months
> working on "easy fixes".   Let's try to help them get their good work
> into the hands of users via a release, and give us all the good
> feeling that comes from shipping code.
> 
> So this might be a slower release, since we're focused on new
> volunteers and mentoring them takes time.   But I think this is a
> worthwhile investment in the community.
> 
> What do you think?
> 

It's ok for an exceptional case, but normally we should follow the
established release schema: x.y.0 and than x.y.1 and than either x+1.0.0
or x.y+1.0.

It was communicated and is well known by the users, and we should
demonstrate reliableness.

I don`t like a x.y.5 or higher version for AOO. I love distinction ;-).

Kind regards
Michael




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Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[RA Stehmann]

Two thoughts:

1. Concerned people found it problematically that OOo depended so much
on SUN and later Oracle.

So the situation under the "roof" of the Apache Software Foundation is a
real progress. So we shouldn't complain that IBM doesn't try to dominate
our project by creating new dependencies, but encourage people to join
our project as developers and more companies to support us.

2. For a "Productivity Suite" the release cycle is proper. Neither
bigger companies nor smaller enterprises want to roll out a new version
of an office suite each quarter. So even a bigger time lag between
versions would fit.

And the brand is so well known that we don't need press releases every
month. We should continueing (and maybe force) our marketing activities;
saying our users we make a non harum-scarum but firm progress.

So concerns are needed but no lamenting. We should find out, what our
opportunities are, and jump at them in time.

Regards
Michael




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Re: Which project Instance has jurisdiction in disputes?

[RA Stehmann]

On 24.09.2014 13:45, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> From: RA Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de] 
> 
>> We discussed that topic on the list. To ban an email address 
>> isn't very
>> effective, because that person is able to join the mailing list with
>> another email address.
> 
> I explained very carefully, we are _not_ talking about _any_ troll but a 
> _known_ troll and are finished we http://de.openoffice.info forum already 
> with him. (I'm in this forum Moderator.) 
> I do not speculate but I'm talking about what has already practically taken 
> place.

Maybe the troll's name is known, but nobody in the internet knows that
you are a dog.

It's easy to subscribe the list (and that's good so) and it's very easy
to get an email address. So there is no real barrier for a troll.

He's rather more dangerous afterwards, until we recognize he's the same
troll again under a new address.

> 
>> I've declared, if the community really wants to have another 
>> moderator,
> 
> And I think such an approach is absurd. A moderator must be willing to endure 
> criticism without threatening with equal resignation. 

I don't have any problems with criticism.

But I'm not willing to follow instructions, which aren't reasonable.

And I'm not willing to ban someone without the accordance of my
co-moderator. There are good reasons, why mailing lists have to have two
moderators.

If Jörg wants a handyman, he has to look for another person.

He is a moderator (of three) of the other germanophone mailing list. He
can also become moderator of the users-de list. And than he's able to to
do what he thinks is a reasonable action. And than he has take the
responsibility for his action, if the action manifests useless and
harmful.

Kind reagards
Michael



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Re: Which project Instance has jurisdiction in disputes?

[RA Stehmann]

On 24.09.2014 10:50, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>  

>> I'm the moderator, Jörg means. The other moderator of that list is
>> Raphael, member of our PMC.
>>
>> I don't want to protect trolls, but there are different meanings about
>> how to handle the problem.
>>
>> I only refuse the way of acting Jörg wants to dictate me.
> 
> I am dictating here nothing.

Ok, excuse my poor English.

I only refuse the way of acting Jörg wants to instruct me.

We discussed that topic on the list. To ban an email address isn't very
effective, because that person is able to join the mailing list with
another email address.

So some people proposed to ignore his posting and, if that person gives
wrong advices to users, to mark them factually as a wrong advice.

I think, that's a proper way. But the other supporters has to support
that way, because I don't know anything better than that person.

But some people react very angry. That seems to "feed the troll".

Now Jörg confides me anymore and that's very irksome for the
germanophone community, There are sometimes strong disputes between him
and me.

I've declared, if the community really wants to have another moderator,
I will abdicate, no problem: I've enough other ways to support Free
Software. But Jörg names that as a behavior of a politician (That's no
flattery.).

Kind regards
Michael




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Re: Which project Instance has jurisdiction in disputes?

[RA Stehmann]

On 24.09.2014 09:33, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> What is the situation? 
> On one of the project mailing lists (users...@openoffice.apache.org), a 
> moderator refuses to act against a troll. 
> 
To make things clear:

I'm the moderator, Jörg means. The other moderator of that list is
Raphael, member of our PMC.

I don't want to protect trolls, but there are different meanings about
how to handle the problem.

I only refuse the way of acting Jörg wants to dictate me. I don't refuse
to act against troll postings in a proper way.

Kind regards
Michael






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Apache OpenOffice at T-Dose 2014

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

like in the last year Apache OpenOffice will take part at T-Dose 2014 in
Eindhoven, The Netherlands.

http://www.t-dose.org/2014/projects

T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use
and development of Open Source Software. During this event Open Source
projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and knowledge. This
years event will be held on 25 and 26 October 2014 at the Fontys
University of Applied Science in Eindhoven.

http://www.t-dose.org/location

It would be nice to have dutch speaking persons for our booth and to say
"Hello" to a lot of friends of Apache OpenOffice during the event.

Regards
Michael



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Re: Feature porting from LibreOffice

[RA Stehmann]

On 09.09.2014 20:58, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Guy Waterval wrote:
>> Not possible for a developer to use a double licence ?
> 
> Sure it is possible. And it is also possible for the copyright holder to
> add the Apache 2 license to work previously released under other,
> usually more restrictive, licenses.
> 
>> Or maybe the double licence is only possible with a couple of two
>> copyleft
>> licences or not copyleft but not with a mix, as a couple with a copyleft
>> licence and another non copyleft ?
> 
> This is totally wrong. I'm sure it's a honest question in your case, but
> a lot of people use this kind of "fake questions" to deliberately spread
> uncertainty about licenses. So, in short, these second group of
> questions is nonsense.
> 
>> Other  question : if an original work is produced under a double licence,
>> which  is the licence of a derivate work : obligatory the initial double
>> licence of the original work or one or the other of the original work ?
> 
> For the meaning we give to "double", this means "take this code under
> either license A or license B, whichever you prefer". If one of the
> option is the Apache License version 2, we can take the code and improve
> it under the Apache License version 2. Then other projects that chose
> more restrictive licensing terms can obviously use our improved code.
> 
> There's no need that I always state that I'm not a lawyer and this is
> not legal advice, right?
> 

I'm a lawyer (Rechtsanwalt - Bundesrepublik Deutschland) and this is not
a legal advice, but Andrea is right.

Regards
Michael



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Re: Feature porting from LibreOffice

[RA Stehmann]

On 09.09.2014 15:10, Markus Wernig wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Obviously there are some features in AOO that do not exist in LO and
> vice versa.
> 
> I was wondering what the current possibilities are to get certain
> features from LO integrated into AOO.
> 
> Background: I am currently trying to get some devs together to fix a
> feature (creating digitally signed PDFs) that exists under the
> "experimental" features of LO (and does not work at the moment). If that
> should succeed, I would like to see that feature also in AOO.
> 
> Would this be possible at all? Or would we need to rewrite the entire
> code and practically reimplement it in AOO?
> Just how would we go about it once it is fixed in LO?
> 

That's a problem of licenses. The Apache License has no so called
copyleft, so LibreOffice can use our code. But LibreOffice uses licences
with a (weak) copyleft, so we can't use their code, if the developer
doesn't use also the Apache License (v 2.0) for his or hers code.

So: if you want to share your code with Apache OpenOffice, use the
Apache License version 2.0.

But there midht be strong problems, if your patch is a derivative work
from code which is under copyleft licenses only.

Regards
Michael






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Re: Marketing - Apache logo

[RA Stehmann]

On 07.05.2014 21:49, Detlef Nannen wrote:

> ** Mechthilde u. Michael Stehmann Working for events in Belgium an Rhine-Area
and in The Netherlands

> - where will these people use them (list of events, conferences)?
> 
> ** Kieler OpenSource und Linux-Tage (2d) at Kiel
> ** Berlin, Linuxtag at Berlin
> ** Linuxtage at Chemnitz
> ** Cebit at Hannover, (planned 2015 or 16, we need support)
> ** OpenRheinRuhr at Oberhausen
> ** FROSCON at Brüssel (Bruxelles, Belgium)
> ** Augsburg, Linux-Infotag (South-Germany)
> ** Linuxday at Dornbirn (Austria)
> ** Linuxwochen (Linuxweeks) in Austria (planned in 2015)

and T-Dose (Eindhoven)

FrOSCon is in St. Augustin (near Bonn, Rhine Area), in Brussels the
event is called FOSDEM - we visit both

There are some more events. We can ask friends to place our flyers there
(if we have some).

Regards
Michael




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Strange bounce mails

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

I'm a moderator of the users...@openoffice.apache.org mailing list.

Since today I#m getting strange bounce mails,if I tried to approve a mail

Regards
Michael
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Yes, I want to Approve that mail.

Regards
Michael


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Re: Introduction

[RA Stehmann]

Hello Danette,

and a heardly welcome to our project.

What are your favorite domains you like to work in:

coding,
ducumentation,
QA,
writing extensions or making templates,
marketing,
supporting users or
helping to improve the web pages?

Regards
Michael

On 24.03.2014 20:39, Danette Fernando wrote:
> Good Afternoon! I am, a stay at home mom from Chicago. I am looking to make
> a career change and learn new skills to re-enter the workforce after 5
> years. I am excited for this learning opportunity.
> 
> Danette
> 




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Marketing - Apache logo

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

I've got a little parcel from America. A lot of stickers with the Apache
logo.

In Brussels they run very well. I hope in Chemnitz etc. also.

Regards
Michael



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Fwd: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

Our stand proposal at FOSDEM has been accepted.

But we requested two tables and will get only one (that will become a
little bit cuddly ;-) ).

Regards
Michael

 Original Message 
Subject: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:28:17 +0100 (CET)
From: FOSDEM Stands Team 
To: Dr. Michael Stehmann  

Hi Michael,

The FOSDEM stands team is glad to be able to inform you that your request
for a stand for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted.
There will be one table reserved for you.

You will receive further information about what's expected of you closer
to the event date.

Looking forward to seeing you at FOSDEM 2014!


Kind regards,

Wynke Stulemeijer
FOSDEM stands team




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Re: I think good news from Germany

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

I tried to write down some notions based on the article and some
reactions (in german language)

http://www.mail-archive.com/users-de@openoffice.apache.org/msg01844.html

(Feel free to tranlate it.)

I've got accordance from germanophone community members.

Very short abstract:

Let us furthermore covert our claim "Productivity Suite".

Regards
Michael



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Re: German community needs a second mailing list for effective working

[RA Stehmann]

+1

It's not only Open Rhein Ruhr, but also FOSDEM (Brussels), Chemnitzer
Linuxtage (Chemnitz, Saxonia), FrOSCon (St.Augustin - near Bonn) and
T-Dose (Eindhoven) we participate.

Regards
Michael (Stehmann)

On 11.12.2013 09:22, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> The members of the German community would like to approach you with our wish 
> to install a second mailing list (dev...@openoffice.apache.org) moderated by 
> Jörg, Raphael und Michael (Stehmann).
> 
> The purpose of this separate list would be to distinguish general user 
> questions from specific discussions among the project members and so avoid 
> the ensuing confusion.
> 
> Our needs for internal communication are growing by the day. E.g. when it 
> comes to coordinating our participation in fairs. We strongly believe that 
> this kind of public activity is very useful in order to popularize AOO and 
> win over new collaborators as well as new user groups. Recent examples are:
> 
> http://openrheinruhr.de/aussteller.html (Mechtilde und Michael (Stehmann))
> http://www.linuxday.at/ (Raphael und Detlef)
> 
> A further reason for our request is the increase in mail traffic, from around 
> 50 posts monthly only a year ago to almost 250 posts at present.
> 
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Bernd
> Detlef
> Jan
> Jörg
> Josef
> Markus
> Matthias 
> Michael (Höhne)
> Michael (Stehmann)
> Romana
> Raphael
> Richard
> 
> (members and supporters of the german AOO community)
> 
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> 
> 




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Re: Open Office

[RA Stehmann]

A short tip to the german users mailing list.

Sehr geehrter Herr Gruberbauer,

ich erlaube mir, Sie auf die deutschsprachige Mailingliste

users...@openoffice.apache.org

aufmerksam zu machen.

Weitere Hinweise zu dieser Mailingliste sind unter

http://www.openoffice.org/de/about-ooo/about-mailinglist.html

zu finden.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Michael Stehmann



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Fwd: Ihre Praesentation bei den Chemnitzer Linux-Tagen 2014

[RA Stehmann]

I made our application for Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2014.

More in January 2014.

Regards
Michael

 Original Message 
Subject: Ihre Praesentation bei den Chemnitzer Linux-Tagen 2014
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:31:05 +0100 (CET)
From: Live-Team 
To: anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de

Hallo!

Vielen Dank fuer Deinen Beitrag zu den Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2014. Weitere
Informationen erhaeltst du im Januar per E-Mail.

Bitte kontaktiere das Live-Team bei Fragen und Problem per E-Mail:
l...@linux-tage.de

Viele Gruesse, das CLT-Team 2014


Hier nochmal die wichtigsten von Ihnen übermittelten Daten:
Anzahl gemeldeter Personen: 3
Die gemeldeten Personen sind:

Anrede:Herr
Titel: Dr.
Vorname:   Michael
Nachname:  Stehmann
Email (intern):anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de
Email (extern):i...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de
Webseite (privat): www.rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de
Beruf: Rechtsanwalt
Firma: Apache OpenOffice
Webseite (Firma):  http://www.openoffice.org/de/

Anrede:Frau
Titel:
Vorname:   Mechtilde
Nachname:  Stehmann
Email (intern):o...@mechtilde.de
Email (extern):
Webseite (privat): www.mechtilde.de
Beruf: Verwaltungsangestellte
Firma: Apache OpenOffice
Webseite (Firma):  http://www.openoffice.org/de/

Anrede:Frau
Titel:
Vorname:   Michaela
Nachname:  Stehmann
Email (intern):webmas...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de
Email (extern):
Webseite (privat):
Beruf: Studentin
Firma: Apache OpenOffice
Webseite (Firma):  http://www.openoffice.org/de/

Beitragstitel: Apache OpenOffice

Abstract: Apache OpenOffice, ein Apache-Top-Level-Projekt, ist die
führende Freie Bürosoftware und eine internationale Gemeinschaft zur
Entwicklung und Promotion derselben und zur Unterstützung ihrer Nutzer.
Apache OpenOffice ist das Ergebnis von über zwanzigjähriger
kontinuierlicher Softwareentwicklung und bereits millionenfach im
Gebrauch. Texte, Tabellenkalkulationen, Präsentationen, Zeichnungen und
Formeln können mit dieser Officesuite erstellt, auf Datenbanken kann
zugegriffen werden.
Erweiterungen erhöhen den Funktionsumfang. Gespeichert werden alle
Dokumente standardmäßig in Open Document Formaten.

Webseite (Beitrag): http://www.openoffice.org/de/

Aufsteller: 2
Tische: 1
Stehtische: 1
Sontiges:

Laptops:   3
PCs:   1
Monitore:  1
Beamer:0
Sonstiges: Switch, Kabel, Mehrfachsteckdose

Bemerkungen:





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Apache OpenOffice @ T-DOSE

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use
and development of Free Software. During this event Free Software
projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and knowledge. This
years event will be held on 26 and 27 October 2013 at the Fontys
University of Applied Science in Eindhoven.

http://www.t-dose.org/

This year Apache OpenOffice will be present at that nice event on both
days with a stand.

Mechtilde and Michael hope to meet and talk to some well known and some
unkown friends of Free Software and the Free Office Suite there.

Regards
Michael



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Re: FOSDEM 2014

[RA Stehmann]

On 22.08.2013 07:29, janI wrote:
> 
>>
>> Thanks for the info, a year goes so fast.
> 
> Is anybody planning anything for FOSDEM ?


I'm planning a stand at FOSDEM 2014. If nobody contradicts, I'll
register a Stand for Apache OpenOffice, when this registration will be open.

Helpers are welcome.

Regards
Michael







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Re: AOO on Debian/Ubuntu via APT Repositories

[RA Stehmann]

Hello Mike,

I watched my wife packaging two little programs for the Debian
repository (she's  not finished yet, but on a good way.)

My resume is:

It's one thing putting AOO into some deb packages. But it's another
thing packing AOO in a proper way, so it's fit fpr the Debian repository.

The second thing is a very hard job and IMO impossible without the
friendly support of experienced Debian Developers.

Just my two cents.

Regards
Michael

On 16.08.2013 04:26, Mike Dupont wrote:
> Hello,
> because there are no source packages in debian format the packages
> will not be accepted officially.
> 



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FOSDEM 2014

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

"Proposals for main track presentations should be submitted using Pentabarf:

https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/

Developer room proposals should be emailed to devro...@fosdem.org and be
as detailed as possible. In particular, coordinators should indicate
their affinity with the topic being proposed and provide a rough idea of
the content they plan to schedule.

Key dates:

15 September
deadline for developer room proposals
1 October
deadline for main track proposals
accepted developer rooms announced"

https://fosdem.org/2014/news/2013-08-06-call-for-participation/

Regards
Michael



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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[RA Stehmann]

On 06.08.2013 16:18, Rob Weir wrote:

> Or maybe the point you are missing is the distinction between a
> "quiet" approach and a "secret" approach.  These are not the same
> thing.  I'm not proposing secrecy.   But one can be transparent
> without drawing unwanted attention to a request.
> 

"Quiet" but not "secret" asking the developer privately and
contributing publicly might be a way to handle that problem for this moment.

But Jürgens idea getting a public statement of LibreOffice developers,
whether LibreOffice wants to cooperate or not, would cause public
transparency and perhaps could make things easier.

But it might be not the right time to action that idea now.

Regards
Michael




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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[RA Stehmann]

On 06.08.2013 15:43, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

>> I think it is more "tact" than "luck".  But we have had some success
>> in making such requests in the past, generally quiet requests directly
>> to the developer.  Most open source developers write code because they
>> want it to be used and for people to benefit from it.  So if you give
>> them an opportunity for their code to be even more widely used, this
>> aligns with their goals as well.  But such requests must be made
>> quietly, via private email, since there is a lot of peer pressure to
>> be uncooperative with Apache.
> 
> mmh, I don't like this under the hood tactic, I would prefer a public
> blog post to invite developers to provide their patches under ALv2 to
> make them available to all users of any OpoenOffice derivative.
> 
> Why not asking directly? I personally don't care about people shooting
> against me, especially not if their reasons are so stupid and against my
> understanding of open source.
> 
> Really open minded people will see the benefit of contributing to the
> core and fix problems where the code intially comes from.

An under the hood tactic wouldn't work, because the AOO sources are
open, so everybody can see contributions coming from "LibreOffice
developers". You can't keep the contributions secret.

So IMO ask them in an open way - hoping to find open minded people.

Regards
Michael




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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[RA Stehmann]

On 06.08.2013 13:41, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
>> On 8/6/13 11:40 AM, FR web forum wrote:
>>> Hello dev,
>>>
>>> Some enhancements exists in LibO and published under MPL v2
>>> Example:
>>> RTF import filter https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58819 [1]
>>> Calc polynomial curve 
>>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35712#c10 [2]
>>> Do you think it is possible to integrate this into AOO next release?
>>
>> I believe we can't use it. MPL is category b and we can use external
>> libs for example and can link against it. But we can't use patches on
>> Apache licensed code that are under MPL only. We can only accept ALv2
>> patches on this code. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is the crux
>> with this license conglomerate that makes no sense at all. And I believe
>> many people don't get the details what it really means.
>>
> 
> That is my understanding as well.  But remember, LO is not licensing
> these patches at all.  The developers who write the code are providing
> the license.  This is a subtle difference, but it means the developers
> are free to license the patch under ALv2 as well.  So if there is
> something we really would like to integrate we can approach the
> developer and ask if they would be willing to license the patch under
> ALv2.   I believe that some of the independent LO developers are also
> frustrated with the LO hoarding that is going on.
> 
MPL has a very weak copyleft, but it has one. So you can't mix it with
code, which is licened unter a non-copyleft licence like the AL.

The LibreOffice developers don't want to have a management of copyrights
by their foundation. So you have to talk to each developer, whether he
or she is willing to licence his or her code under the ALv2 too.

Good luck!

Regards
Michael




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Re: AOO in the Linux distros

[RA Stehmann]

On 25.07.2013 12:24, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

>> Please NO trademark war against Linux distributions.
> 
> nobody wants a trademark war, we simply want that it is taken careful
> and don't underestimate the power of our brand.
> 
> I really would like to collaborate with the distros and also with
> volunteers of LibreOffice.
> 
> The question is how wec an collaborate with LO best, the current
> approach how they take stuff from AOO is damaging open source in
> general. They can take it but the communication how they do it is key
> here. And to be honest I have no respect for this but I also believe
> that this is only driven by a smaller group of people and not the
> broad LO community.

That isn't a problem caused by the GNU/Linux-distributionsor their
maintainers. It's caused by some LO-developers.
> 
> I hope they will see the benefit of closer collaboration in the future.
>
That would be the best - especially for the users of a Free office-suite.
> 
> Linux distros will hopefully be more open if we can find maintainers
> who are interested to help and improve our building and packaging
> process. This is a minimal requirements to find the way back into the
> distros. Maybe not all but the ones that are open and believe in open
> source.
>
We have to find out the needs and necessities of the distros. And we
need people who are willing and able to package AOO in the distros' way.
That's not easy.
>>
>> As I told some weeks ago we need volunteers to maintain Apache 
>> OpenOffice in each GNU/Linux Distributions.
> 
> agree that is key for all further steps to fnd the way back in any
> distro. We need people who are interested to help here in this area
> 
There a not a lot of people in the world who are able and willing to do
that. AOO (and LibrOffice also) is really a beast of code.

Regards
Michael



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Re: Can somebody please commit the update of the de-websites

[RA Stehmann]

Hi Rob,

I can understand your concerns, but they aren't drasticly.

I'm with you, that we have to make clear, the Box isn't a product of the
ASF but distributed by the "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..".

But on the other hand the "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V.." isn't
any old third party.

It's a charitable german entity supporting Free office software. It's
still supporting Apache OpenOffice. The computer an the monitor at our
Fosdem stand were provided by "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..".

Disclaimer: I'm no member of that club, but know persons who are.

So IMO it's ok to put that news in the news line of the homepage, making
clear, who's the distributor of that product.

Regards
Michael



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Re: euskal encounter 2013

[RA Stehmann]

On 16.06.2013 02:22, RGB ES wrote:


> 
> I did a quick translation into Spanish
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/AOO_Flyer-ES.odt
> 
> Layout must be checked because I do not have the used fonts installed on my
> system. Also, the original EN doc have a missing half paragraph under
> "Base", it seems, because there is a phrase that makes no sense. The "hole"
> is marked on the translation with a note.
> 

Thank you for your quick response.

Regards
Michael



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euskal encounter 2013

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

on July 25-28  there is a great event in Bilbao (Basque Country).

http://www.euskal.org/en/

A friend of mine is organizing a booth to promote Free Software there.

Are there any flyers or posters in spanish language or basque?

Because he is travelling from the Rhine Area, I need them until July 1st.

It would be great, if people from our community can join the booth (or
make an own) on this event.

Please contact me in that case.


Regards

Michael





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Re: Interviews with OpenOffice Extension Authors

[RA Stehmann]

Am 21.03.2013 17:28, schrieb Rob Weir:
> I'd like to do some interviews, via email, with OpenOffice extension
> authors.  These would be featured on the OpenOffice blog, which gets
> 5000 or so visits per day from OpenOffice users.  This is a good way
> to promote your extension.
> 
> If you are interested in this, please send me an email, with a link to
> your extension.  I'll try it out and come back to you with questions.
> 

Hello Rob,

I'm the author of Canzeley, a lawyers program for german lawyers. It
beases upon OpenOffice and MySQL. The client is an OpenOffice extension.

http://canzeley.org

Because it's for german lawyer, all manuals are in german.

Part of Canzeley is Forderungsberechnung367.ots, which is a spreadsheed
template containing some macro code.

http://templates.openoffice.org/de/node/2018

Regards
Michael




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Re: ping

[RA Stehmann]

Am 15.03.2013 03:51, schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
> ping..
> 
pong



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Re: event in april in Belgium

[RA Stehmann]

Am 13.03.2013 00:32, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

> As for gadgets, I don't think we have anything available besides what
> Mechtilde and Michael may have. And it makes sense to wait for the new
> logo before printing any new gadgets.
> 

We have nothing, that's recent. Only historic stuff.

Regards
Michael





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Re: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)

[RA Stehmann]

Am 05.03.2013 00:55, schrieb Jeffrey Deutsch:
> Hello,
> 
> The first category listed here, Favorite Office Suite for Windows, has
> both OpenOffice and LibreOffice as separate competitors. I've voted
> for LibreOffice since (1) that's what it is now and (2) it currently
> has a majority of votes, so we should not split the vote and let one
> of the corporate suites win.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff Deutsch

I'm not able to vote for LibreOffice, because it isn't my choice.

Regards
Michael



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I love Free Software

[RA Stehmann]

Hello,

Thank you very much to all of you, men and women, developers,
QA-persons, authors of documentation and all others, who support this
great Free office-suite.

Tanks to all, who remain true to our MissionStatement:

"To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality
and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."

http://www.openoffice.org/about/

Kind regards
Michael



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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[RA Stehmann]

Am 08.02.2013 11:34, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> Hello Michael, 
> 
>> IMO it's not the best way trying to make Apache OpenOffice part of
>> GNU/Linuy distributions again to blame them.
> 
> Please can I have this sentence in german? 
> I've been thinking now 5 minutes, but I'm not sure what you mean _exactly_.
> 

Bitte schön:

Meines Erachtens nach ist es nicht der beste Weg, Apache OpenOffice
wieder in die GNU/Linux-Distributionen hineinzubekommen (sie wieder zu
einem Teil der GNU/Linux-Distributionen zu machen), diesen Vorwürfe zu
machen.

(Wobei "blame" etwas stärker gemeint sein kann, etwa im Sinne
"beschuldigen", "anschuldigen".)

Regards
Michael




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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[RA Stehmann]

Am 08.02.2013 10:57, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> Hello,
> 
>>> It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux 
>> distributions using such
>>> transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
>>> their system.
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use
> 
> Mmh ... 
> 
> I read that, but what is your opinion? Did you mean that the current 
> situation is OK or this needs to be improved?
> 
> I think Rob's statement was correct, or in other words:
> 
> Maybe Pepsi is good, Maybe Coke is good, Maybe both are good
> 
> but:
> 
> Pepsi in a Coke bottle is not good and Coke in a Pepsi bottle is also not 
> good.
> 
> 
> note:
> I'm _not_ talking about the _technical part_, because of it I do not know 
> enough. But I'm talking about the public impact of terms.
> 
IMO it's not the best way trying to make Apache OpenOffice part of
GNU/Linuy distributions again to blame them.

Yes, I'm also talking about the public impact.

So let's concentrate to the thinks, which are now important, as Andrea
has proposed.

Regards
Michael





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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[RA Stehmann]

Am 07.02.2013 22:10, schrieb Pavel Janík:
>> In my opinion the problem is not only the problem with the trade mark (or 
>> the simple program-name) but also a public relations problem.
>> I do not know the team of Feodora, but I know many people of LO / TDF and, 
>> let me be clear, _some_ (_not_ all) consider it well to cultivate a public 
>> representation that users subliminally says that LO's successor OOo is . 
>> (not as an official statement, but subliminally)
> 
> Is it LO who is infringing on our trademark or is it Fedora who is misusing 
> our trademark for other project? Shouldn't we notify Fedora people politely 
> about this situation and let them (and help them!) solve the issue first?

It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux distributions using such
transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
their system.

Regards
Michael




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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[RA Stehmann]

Am 07.02.2013 13:26, schrieb janI:

> If it is so classic, then  for sure the ASF laywers could inform Fedora
> about the problem, and ask them to correct it, independently of whether or
> not AOO is distribtuted. I assume that since they are the distributors they
> need to make sure that their contributors uses valid trademarks.
> 
> This might be a problem on other distros as well.
> 
> Or is life not as simple as I think ?
> 
No, it isn't.

It isn't really nice to sue another free software project.

And using trademarks to break another free software projects will, seems
no good idea nor a good public relation since Mozilla tried it. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project

Because of the licence it's quite easy to fork and rebrand AOO, so we've
to be carefully to guard and promote our brand and save the respect of
our project in the free software community.

Regards
Michael



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