Re: AOO -> LO or MS O

2015-09-03 Thread Tony Stevenson


> Interesting yet not quite accurate.

I never made any claims to it's accuracy.  I was hoping someone would do
exactly what Rich suggested, but preferably without the prompting that
Rich afforded the group.

The reason for sending it to this list was to see the reaction it got,
and how that reaction was handled within the group.

I would still say that there needs to be a positive reply to this
article. Framed correctly and without any tension, animosity, or
negative connotations at all. To demonstrate how grown up we are.  Hell,
it could even acknowledge and accept that the project is struggling and
is trying a,b, and c to address those.  

Just a thought.

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AOO -> LO or MS O

2015-09-03 Thread Tony Stevenson

This is an interesting read:   

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2015/sep/03/switch-openoffice-libreoffice-or-microsoft-office?CMP=twt_a-technology_b-gdntech
 




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Re: Ian Lynch (ingotian) passed away

2015-09-03 Thread Tony Stevenson

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015, at 11:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:


> I hope that someone who knew him better will volunteer and write a 
> couple paragraphs for the OpenOffice blog in his memory.
> 

The ASF also has it's own memorials page -
http://www.apache.org/memorials/


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Re: Ian Lynch (ingotian) passed away

2015-09-03 Thread Tony Stevenson
On a formal note the PMC chair ought to probably notify root@ and
secretary@ of this. 

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> I was astonished to learn, a couple days ago, that Ian Lynch passed 
> away. Many of you were probably closer to him and already got the news 
> (Ian passed away three months ago) but I don't recall reading it on the 
> OpenOffice lists.
> 
> I had never met Ian, but I knew him as a key contributor in the 
> Education sector. He was also an OpenOffice committer and PMC Member; 
> his Apache id was "ingotian".
> 
> I hope that someone who knew him better will volunteer and write a 
> couple paragraphs for the OpenOffice blog in his memory.
> 
> See http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/ian-lynch/ for more details.
> 
> Regards,
>Andrea.
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Re: 2015-08-25 When Speaking as the Chair

2015-08-25 Thread Tony Stevenson

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, at 06:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 [BCC to the AOO PMC]
 
 From the Chair,
 
 It occurs to me that the role of the Chair of the Apache OpenOffice
 Project Management Committee is often seriously over-estimated.  There is
 also a level of prestige that may be associated with it that tends to
 give more weight to what I might say than otherwise.

Why? I really do not get how you might come to that conclusion. As there
is no prestige, or weight to be added when doing day-to-day activities. 

 It is important for me that others understand that for the most part, the
 PMC Chair is no different than another member of the PMC, other
 committers, and the many other contributors in the Apache OpenOffice
 community.

Exactly! This is in direct contradiction of your opening paragraph.

 I don't want to have my communications to now be taken with
 more authority than they would were I not the Chair.   

For anyone who knows how the ASF works they will know that this is not
even possible. As you are no more senior, and therefore carry no more
authority.

 So, when I am speaking as the Chair, I will always introduce my emails
 with From the Chair.  That means I am operating in the context of my
 responsibilities as an Officer of the Foundation.  

Wow. I find this whole line of thinking extremely disheartening and
quite frankly condescending and disingenuous. It borders on the
ludicrous. 

 In all other cases, there is no distinction.  If it is about PMC matters,
 it must be regarded as only something any PMC member could do or say. 

Again, how does PMC chair change this?  It does not.  

 And in all cases, for weighty matters consensus is sought and you will
 usually know how that has or has not been achieved in the usual way that
 [PROPOSAL], [DISCUSS], and [VOTE] mail threads are handled.
 
 Thank you for the support that I have been offered and the trust you have
 placed in me as I undertake this new role.

I do hope this PMC can see it's way past all this rigmarole and to a
lighterweight, flexible and frankly functional (not combative) future.  

 
  - Dennis


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Re: QUESTIONS RE: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum

2015-08-17 Thread Tony Stevenson
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 Thanks Tony, this reminds me of some questions that would help us understand 
 what is involved.  These questions are anyone knowledgable of the current 
 arrangements:
 
 I see four levels of support to wikis and forums:
 
  1. User Account and Content Administration
 I believe this is handed.  Does anyone believe it is not?


How do you mean handled? This function is managed within the two
products by those who manage them already. In other words this is fully
devolved to the AOO PMC to determine how this should be managed.


  2. Administering the Running Service
 That is, a server administrator for the service (not necessarily the host)
 Is this done?  Do we need a replacement or an expansion here?  What are 
 prerequisite qualifications for being able to do this.


Again this is down to the PMC to determine how to best do this.  Right
now Infra provide a number of VMs for AOO to run the service on. This is
mostly due to significant historical inertia when AOO first joined the
ASF, but also because it is what the PMC wanted to make their lives
easier. 

If you want these to be come more managed by Infra then a significant
number of changes would need to be made to make this happen.  Not least
of which is moving the system into Puppet. This is a non-trivial piece
of work which I'd estimate would take a member of paid staff at least
4-6 weeks to complete (minimum). 


 
  3. Administrating the Server that hosts the Service
 I assume this is where one deals with Ubuntu upgrades and such, whether 
 the server is real or virtual.
 Is this provided by the project?  Do we need a replacement/expansion here 
 from within the project?  Again, what are prerequisite qualifications?


Again, due to historical inertia and what I suspect is fear of letting
go in the past (perhaps even now in the present) this element was
handled at the PMC's discretion - with the caveat that Infra would force
an update where required (say SSL vulnerability etc), or if the PMC did
not do it itself the service would be shutdown and the instance shutdown
until such time that the problem had been resolved. 

Right now, I do not believe that these instances are being properly
maintained, and are in need of significant TLC to make them tick along
nicely once more. However, owing to the obscenely difficlut (and in my
opinion frankly ridiculous) setup of the services this is near
impossible to do well. 


  4. I assume hardware IT support is not the business of the project, and 
 changing boxes is a different deal.  Yes?
 

Correct, the PMC is provided with a number of virtual machines (not
native hardware, just to avoid any confusion).  If you need to move (and
frankly I would push for this very hard) we would need to stand up the
new instances for you, based on an open discussion of your requirements.

Infra are responsible for making sure that the instances are up, and
that the hardware they run is available. 



 I suspect this is known.  I don't know if the necessary information is 
 anywhere in project materials (haven't looked). 
 
 This is an area of ignorance for me.  


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Re: problem with web site staging build

2015-08-17 Thread Tony Stevenson



On Sat, 15 Aug 2015, at 07:29 AM, Marcus wrote:
 Done.
 
 However, the issue is still unassigned. Maybe also a problenm, I don't
 know.
 

This was resolved 3 hours ago. 

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Re: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum

2015-08-17 Thread Tony Stevenson


On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, at 01:31 PM, jan i wrote:
 Hi.
 
 The AOO Forum vm could do with an upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04 and be defined
 in
 the new puppet structure. Defining it in the new puppet structure has the
 advantage that Infra can roll a new vm in case of problems, and thereby
 reducing downtime.
 
 The AOO Wiki vm is in strong need of a reconfiguration and update (Ubuntu
 14.04 see above). Currently there is a ATS running on the same vm in
 front
 of the mediawiki (django) application. The ATS veersion is no longer
 supported by the traffic server project. Running it on a separate vm (or
 even as the HTPPS proxy) has a lot of merit, but it has not been done.
 
 As I am reducing my engagement in the project, this might be a good time
 for a new maintainer to step up. The actual maintenance is  about 1 hour
 pr
 month.

Can I take this opportunity to remind the community that if this service
fails to be maintained appropriately it will be turned off, or made
unavailable by Infra until such time it is brought up to date and
managed. 

AIUI this was the agreement that we had with the project when it was
handed over to enable you to manage yourselves. 


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Re: AOO Bugzilla

2014-03-22 Thread Tony Stevenson
It is working just fine now. Keep an eye on it. 


On 22 Mar 2014, at 08:01, Rainer Bielefeld 
rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote:

 Hi,
 
 worked for few minutes, now again Error:
 
 Proxy Error
 The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
 The proxy server could not handle the request GET /ooo/report.cgi.
 Reason: Error reading from remote server
 
 
 Might be coincidence? 2 times stopped working after I starte a reporrt-query 
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/report.cgi?x_axis_field=reporter_realnamey_axis_field=reporterz_axis_field=no_redirect=1query_format=report-tableshort_desc_type=allwordssubstrshort_desc=longdesc_type=allwordssubstrlongdesc=bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstrbug_file_loc=keywords_type=allwordskeywords=bug_id=bug_id_type=anyexactvotes=votes_type=greaterthaneqemailtype1=substringemail1=%40emailassigned_to2=1emailreporter2=1emailqa_contact2=1emailcc2=1emailtype2=substringemail2=emaillongdesc3=1emailtype3=substringemail3=chfield=[Bug+creation]chfieldvalue=chfieldfrom=2000-01-01chfieldto=2014-02-28j_top=ANDf1=noopo1=noopv1=format=tableaction=wrap
 
 CU
 
 Rainer


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Re: AOO [Bug 122235] Connection fails with 502 Error reading from remote server

2014-01-23 Thread Tony Stevenson
Please feel free to close. 
On 23 Jan 2014, at 09:04, Rainer Bielefeld 
rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote:

 Tony Stevenson schrieb:
 I will move the SQL DB that runs the AOO instance of BZ tomorrow morning
 
 Hi Tony,
 
 I already see the progress that Bugzilla is no longer blocked every morning. 
 Is there anything left what might need some testing (may be Bugzilla access 
 during a now shifted backup time or whatever else) or can we simply clos 
 above mentioned Bug report?
 
 Best Regards
 
 
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Re: OOO BZ Down for SQL migration

2014-01-20 Thread Tony Stevenson
This has now completed, and has been moved.  I can see an immediate appreciable 
difference. 
Enjoy. 



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 I am about to start the SQL migration of the OOO BZ instance, so that
 the daily cbackup cron job can be killed on the local VM, thus hopefully
 not taking the service out of action. 
 
 I hope this will be done within the hour. 
 
 


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Re: AOO [Bug 122235] Connection fails with 502 Error reading from remote server

2014-01-19 Thread Tony Stevenson
Following the thread below, and the containing BZ issue in AOO space (and 
notably not in the Infra JIRA instance) - I will move the SQL DB that runs the 
AOO instance of BZ tomorrow morning at 07:30 (5 minutes before the currently 
scheduled backup that will ‘kill’ the service anyway.).

To be clear, this will move the SQL DB from the app node (BSD jail) to the 
central SQL host.  I expect this will take about 1 hour. 





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 Rainer, 
 
 I have read that thread, and I can tell you that the backup is indeed 
 starting at 07:35.  However I will be moving the SQL DB from the local host 
 to the central DB server in the coming days, where at which time the backup 
 strategy changes and the service will not be affected. 
 
 
 On 19 Jan 2014, at 15:55, Rainer Bielefeld 
 rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 we have the rather annoying fact that every day 1/2 hour AOO Bugzilla is 
 unusable; for details please see 
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122235. 2% per day seems 
 acceptable, but it's a real mess if I am in a complex Bugzilla research and 
 suddenly BZ stops working.
 
 I think it's outmoded to bother volunteers with such obstacles, and I can't 
 believe that it should not be possible to do maintenance, backup or whatever 
 causes that problem in a smarter way.
 
 Can you help?
 
 Best regards
 
 
 Rainer Bielefeld
 
 
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OOO BZ Down for SQL migration

2014-01-19 Thread Tony Stevenson
I am about to start the SQL migration of the OOO BZ instance, so that
the daily cbackup cron job can be killed on the local VM, thus hopefully
not taking the service out of action. 

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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

2013-10-22 Thread Tony Stevenson

On 21 Oct 2013, at 17:27, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 Tony Stevenson wrote:
 Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:
 Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
 the warning.
 The service is back. IMO it also quicker. Immediate difference is that
 Wiki VM is only consuming 500 MB of RAM now, before it was using 2.8GB.
 
 OK, thank you! It seems that in the end interruption of service was minimal. 
 I've removed the note from the home page. Of course, for the next maintenance 
 operations, including the forum, please give us some more time to inform 
 users.

Further to this, the pootle service has now been migrated to the central DB 
service and converted to InnoDB.  Many thanks to Jan for his help again, 
performance looks increased by a factor of 7 according to a sample of page load 
times based on different activities. 


 
 Regards,
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Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

2013-10-21 Thread Tony Stevenson

Folks, 

As you may be aware the Infra team have been battling with a performance
issue on it's VMware hosts - and one of the things we are doing to
mitigate some of this is to move SQL databases to a central server
setup. 

This has been done, and now we are ready to move pootle(translate) and
wiki.openoffice.org.  The forum stuff will have to wait due to a version
conflict. 

We intend to do wiki.openoffice.org a little later today, and we expect
it to take no more than 1 hour to migrate the database.  In fact it
should be less than 30 minutes. 

We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
notice, but this is the only timw this week when the relevant skills are
in alignment, and the overhead of these SQL services has now reached a
critical point to the extent it is driving so much IO it is affecting
other services.


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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

2013-10-21 Thread Tony Stevenson
Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:
 Tony Stevenson wrote:
 We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
 notice
 
 It is indeed a very, very short notice! Thanks at least for sending
 it to the dev list so more people are informed.

Apologies for that - unfortunately things have conspired against us to
force this into a very small window indeed. We will be as quick as we
can be.  I am hoping for 10 minutes. But we will see. 

 
 I put a note at
 http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
 that's all I can do now.
 
 Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
 the warning.
 
 If someone didn't follow: http://wiki.openoffice.org will be down
 starting at 15:00 UTC (about 10 minutes from now), and up again in
 one hour or so.
 
 Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

2013-10-21 Thread Tony Stevenson
imacat wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:52:47PM +0800:
 On 2013/10/21 22:03, Tony Stevenson said:
  As you may be aware the Infra team have been battling with a performance
  issue on it's VMware hosts - and one of the things we are doing to
  mitigate some of this is to move SQL databases to a central server
  setup. 
  
  This has been done, and now we are ready to move pootle(translate) and
  wiki.openoffice.org.  The forum stuff will have to wait due to a version
  conflict. 
  
  We intend to do wiki.openoffice.org a little later today, and we expect
  it to take no more than 1 hour to migrate the database.  In fact it
  should be less than 30 minutes. 
  
  We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
 
 That is ... 10 min later?  That is ... cool?

Sorry that makes no sense to me.  

 And what should we do to our Wiki server to adapt this change of
 MySQL server?

Nothing, we are doing it for you. 

 
  notice, but this is the only timw this week when the relevant skills are
  in alignment, and the overhead of these SQL services has now reached a
  critical point to the extent it is driving so much IO it is affecting
  other services.
  
  
 
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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

2013-10-21 Thread Tony Stevenson
Andrea Pescetti wrote on Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:52:14PM +0200:
 Tony Stevenson wrote:
 We expect to start the downtime at 15:00 UTC.  Apologies for the short
 notice
 
 It is indeed a very, very short notice! Thanks at least for sending
 it to the dev list so more people are informed.
 
 I put a note at
 http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page
 that's all I can do now.
 
 Please tell us when the migration is complete so that we can remove
 the warning.

The service is back. IMO it also quicker. Immediate difference is that
Wiki VM is only consuming 500 MB of RAM now, before it was using 2.8GB.

 
 If someone didn't follow: http://wiki.openoffice.org will be down
 starting at 15:00 UTC (about 10 minutes from now), and up again in
 one hour or so.
 
 Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Service Maintenance for pootle and AOO wiki

2013-10-21 Thread Tony Stevenson

On 21 Oct 2013, at 19:37, janI j...@apache.org wrote:

 Imacat (admin) has responded to my question if help is wanted, answer was 
 that it would be be fine if infra does it (like me) and offered to help.

That's good news, shame I didn't see that but thats ok - an offer is an offer  
:-) 

 If we think along these lines, my plan would be the following:
 
 1) Thursday evening (16-22 UTC), I wil combine the single forum databases 
 into the EN database. This will mean short breaks on the single forum, about 
 10min each (to copy the tables).
  If time permits, I will convert the FULLTEXT back to MyIsam.
 2) Friday morning (8-11 UTC) I will convert tables. This happens online, and 
 only means slow system while I do it.

Would it be much quicker if you did it offline?  How about you convert them to 
Inno before you merge them, so you can do the slow work by off-lining one 
language at a time - and the merge done later. 


 3) Friday afternoon (15 UTC, depending on pctony), we can take the forums 
 down for approx 2hours to move the databases.

I won't be around, I'll be at the hospital with my boy, and I'm not sure what 
time we will be back.  So don't want to commit to it then. If we can do late 
Thursday PM that would be better, say 1700 UTC onwards. 

 In order to finalize the database changes Thursday and move friday, we need 
 someone with access to all forums to help with the test.
 
 Could this be an acceptable plan ?  The time is needed, but if preferred I 
 can do it friday or saturday evening instead (depending on pctony).

Bring it closer, otherwise for me it will have to be next week - and I am not 
confident that we can last that long right now.  We probably could, but I am 
not confident - so I'd rather do a controlled move on a more aggressive 
timeline than have to deal with a potential hazardous failure unexpectedly.

 
 rgds
 jan I.
 
 


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