Improving default Heading styles ergonomy

2013-08-27 Thread fred juan diaz
Hi to all

LaTeX users often tell us that they have nearly ready to use styles.
corresponding to average use. In fact it's true.
Running soffice daily since the first free Sun Staroffice5.1 in 2000,
and teaching it to French users and pupils from that year,
i regret to admit that it's not the case for us, because of two reasons :

1. Our default heading styles never correspond to the most frequent needs.
(Heading 2 and 3 have the same size, 4 and 5 too, 6 to 10 too ...)

2. We are wobbly halfway between two logics :
 the full inheritance and the full independence.

I explain :
Some of our styles are proportional (Heading 1=115% and 4=85% to 10=75%)
inheritance concerns here both font and size in %

and others are fixed (Heading which is father, and Heading 1 and 2)
inheritance concerns font but not size

you see the problem...you must deal with a Heading 3 which is 85% sized
of Heading which is fixed 14 ... therefore without referring to Default size.

Size inheritance choices are not clear, and who of us
has ever needed font size proportionality in his daily works ?
(How many times have we been obliged to click on [Standard]
 when  we wanted to customize  Heading 1 ?)

In conclusion I think we should have a real constructive adversarial
to decide how to be closer to end-users needs.

I propose something simple to code, for example to let font inheritance 
everywhere,
this is a very useful feature when we wish to try different fonts in order to 
see how it looks.

But assuming that 90% of users use a 12pt default text style, shouldn't we 
consider
fixing font sizes  Default = 12 ; Heading 1 = 16 ; Heading 2 = 14 ; Heading 3 = 
13 ; Heading 4 = 12 ;
Heading 5 = 11 ; ...or whatever you want bold or not Italic or not after 
discussion.

It would not be a difficult work, but the effect on end-users would be great
and being able to use more often our default styles would save time to many 
people
This is one dimension of quality.

Best regards
Fredjd














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Re: [Website]

2013-08-12 Thread fred juan diaz
Hi 

Solved in private : it was only a problem of formulas display

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/Calc/Errors/Why_do_I_see_the_formula_text_and_not_the_result_of_the_formula%3F

Best regards
fred juan diaz

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En date de : Dim 11.8.13, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de a écrit :

 Objet: Re: [Website]
 À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Cc: ferragne ghislaine ferragne.ghisla...@orange.fr
 Date: Dimanche 11 août 2013, 22h18
 
 Hi,
 
 you wrote to a public mailing list that is used in English
 language. Unfortunately, I don't understand any French.
 
 If you need help with OpenOffice please refer to our user
 forums here:
 
 http://forum.openoffice.org/
 
 Thanks for your understanding.
 
 Marcus
 
 
 
 Am 08/09/2013 11:43 PM, schrieb ferragne ghislaine:
  Bonsoir
  merci de bien vouloir m ' expliquer pourquoi le total
 ne s 'affiche pas
  dans ma celllule comme indiqué dans le PDF
  Cordialement
  G. Ferragne
 
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Re : [Website]

2013-08-10 Thread fred juan diaz
Message posted in the wrong thread, 
without any usable indications
about undefined problems after installation, 
I follow it in private
  regards
fred juan diaz
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En date de : Ven 9.8.13, ferragne ghislaine ferragne.ghisla...@orange.fr a 
écrit :

 Objet: [Website]
 À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Date: Vendredi 9 août 2013, 22h52
 
 
  
  
 
 #yiv711552438 v\3a* {}
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 BOnjour
  
 Je viens de mettre à jour open office 4
 par contre depuis, je n 'arrive pas à faire
 des comptes, pourtant tout le reste fonctionne à
 merveille 
 J 'y arrivais très bien avec la version
 précédente et ce, depuis de nombreuses années et avec
 plusieurs logiciels differents.
 Merci de bien vouloir me dire si j 'ai mal fait la
 mise à jour, 
  
 Merci par avance 
 G. Ferragne
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [IDEA] Back to School with AOO blog post

2013-08-09 Thread fred juan diaz


En date de : Ven 9.8.13, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de a écrit :

 Objet: Re: [IDEA] Back to School with AOO blog post
 À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Date: Vendredi 9 août 2013, 13h33
 
 bugreporte...@hushmail.com
 schrieb:
 
  On 06.08.2013 at 5:10 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com
 wrote:On 6 August 2013 15:56, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Ian Lynch
 ianrly...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On 6 August 2013 15:40, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
  It is that time of year now:  back
 to school.
 
  I wonder if this could make a good blog
 post.   Of course, AOO being
  free is core part of the story. 
 But even better would be if we had a
  top 10 list of ways in which AOO is
 great for school.
 
 
 
  1. Use the same software at home and at
 school without worrying about
  licensing
  2. Participate in the AOO community and
 provide useful things for others
  while you learn
  3. Fix broken Word documents
  4. Provide choice and promote transferrable
 skills by using more than one
  type of tool
  5. Get a qualification referenced to the
 European Qualifications Framework
 
 
  6. Fits nicely in a small/low income
 community's school budget.
 
  7. Work in multiple languages.
 
  8. use it on your llinux/win/mac machine
 
  9. having all you need for the school in one
 suit/program (cause other projects which has to make money
 trying to split up the programs like one program for writing
 onother for drawing to make more money)
 
  10. possible to open other formats like .doc (maybe
 note that it does not work perfect because it's a
 propritary/closed format) but works mostly
 
  maybe also note some features that are new to 4.0, like
 the optional side bar which makes the work easier and
 faster.
 
  If you also want to mention that there are still some
 things missing, here are my most wanted/missing featured I
 still remember from shool:
  (of course there are more things like  Inserting a
 bibliographic reference int a frame (e.g. image frame)
 (-will show up allways as [0]))
 
  #create a 3d surface chart (surface plots)
  #save the annotations in impress
  (don*t know if these  are still missing)
 
 11. Use it from USB-stick and so work everywhere using your
 personal 
 settings, even if AOO is not yet installed on your friends
 PC. German: 
 digitale Schultasche
 
 Kind regards
 Regina
 
 12 analyse existing school programs in different levels and see if it's 
possible
 to produce some resources that would be directly usable
 by students or pupils according  to their programs.

for example here are some little resources produced by EducOOo
for our 14 - 19 y o pupils

 galleries and extensions
http://campuslibre.educoo.org/main/document/document.php?cidReq=OUTILSAUTOUROOO
AOODraw has enough features to allow simple electronic schematic design either 
using connectors or grid (the choice in these galleries, some of them taken 
from dsciences)

millimetered, semi-log and log-log generator
http://campuslibre.educoo.org/courses/BACPROM/document/24_Logarithmes_et_exponentielles/milifred4.otg
an english version exists but as there is few text it would  be  easy to 
translate it in any language.
This module is used by dmaths

Oscilloscope simulator without macros
http://campuslibre.educoo.org/courses/BACPROSCIENCESPHYSIQ/document/1_CME2_Alimentations_Installations_Protection/OOoscillo2.ods
 

rem : after 25y of teaching , it  appears to me that that pupils are mainly 
looking for short howtos
(one page, no more) about specific issues related to their program of study (ex 
: how to deal with complex numbers in calc, how to write a simple formula, how 
to  structure a homeworrk with AOO, where can i  find an AOO template for my 
report of internship etc...) 

Best regards
Fred Juan DIAZ



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