Re: AOO build system upgrades

2015-09-23 Thread jan i
On Wednesday, 23 September 2015, Damjan Jovanovic <dam...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I see there was a historical attempt to upgrade the build environment
> to gbuild which migrated some modules
> (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Build_Environment_Effort), and a
> more recent attempt, Capstone 2013, to get AOO to build in Visual
> Studio.
>
> Have we chosen a final build system yet?
>
> The reason I ask is that I became quite familiar with gbuild in the
> course of migrating our unit tests to Google Test, and have already
> successfully migrated one dmake module (formula) to gbuild, so if
> there are no objections, I am going commit those changes and carry on
> migrating other modules.
>
> Our current hybrid build.pl + dmake/gbuild system is complex, ugly,
> slow, unreliable, and hard to maintain, and I believe it's also a
> barrier of entry for new developers
> (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Build_System_Analysis). LO has
> already migrated their build system to pure gbuild. Shouldn't we?



?? Not sure why I am copied on this mail not being committer I have no
saying in what to choose.

I do not see any specific questions for me, so please do not fill my inbox
(I read dev@ from time to time).

rgds
jan i


>
> Regards
> Damjan
>


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Re: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum

2015-09-11 Thread jan i
I see this mail goes public on dev@ which seems to have changed a lot into
a single person deciding what happens (or at least what is
communicated outside the project). This is of course only my opinon as one
who do not follow the project closely, but I respond accordingly.

If the AOO project finds it easier to define "ordinary maintenance" then
please do so, there are lots of references in the archives as to what that
means, written by myself and other PMC members. If you have specific
questions I am happy to help.

Your description sounds ok (at least for a sales brochure), reality might
be a bit more complicated but not that much. However you avoid the real
problem, the upgrade, in my private opinion the servers need an makeover
for security reasons, but that is my personal opinion (to any hackers: the
servers are currently well protected from the outside due to the https
structure that infra prefers to use)

I understand from other lists, which I cannot refer to, that the AOO chair
(I have not seen it confirmed anywhere from the PMC) is talking with infra,
so I do not understand the background for your question, nor do I want to
interfere in talks between the AOO chair and Infra.

As I have said many times I am part of Infra and part of apache, so
naturally I am available for help when needed, but please do not use me as
a go-between infra and the project.

rgds
jan i




On Friday, September 11, 2015, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:

> On 14/08/2015 jan i wrote:
>
>> this might be a good time for a new maintainer to step up.
>> The actual maintenance is  about 1 hour pr month.
>>
>
> Coming back to this, it is likely to be easier to find someone if we
> define this "ordinary maintenance" better. I mean, updating the application
> takes surely more than 1 hour but that is "extraordinary maintenance".


>
> What falls in the "ordinary maintenance"? Login to the VM, say, every few
> days, apt-get upgrade, taking a look at the logs and basic system health
> indicators? If these are the tasks then expanding the team with one extra
> volunteer will look less daunting than upgrading the forum to the latest
> version, which is made very complex by the extremely complicated setup we
> inherited from the pre-Apache era.
>
> Note: I did read the companion thread too, but still it didn't get into
> concrete maintenance tasks.
>
> By the way, Jan let me thank you in public for the infrastructure work:
> unfortunately, like all sysadmin tasks, if one does a good job it doesn't
> show since everything just keeps working and people forget that this is due
> to someone properly administering them.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>


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Re: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum

2015-09-11 Thread jan i
On Friday, September 11, 2015, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:

> On 14/08/2015 jan i wrote:
>
>> this might be a good time for a new maintainer to step up.
>> The actual maintenance is  about 1 hour pr month.
>>
>
> Coming back to this, it is likely to be easier to find someone if we
> define this "ordinary maintenance" better. I mean, updating the application
> takes surely more than 1 hour but that is "extraordinary maintenance".
>
> What falls in the "ordinary maintenance"? Login to the VM, say, every few
> days, apt-get upgrade, taking a look at the logs and basic system health
> indicators? If these are the tasks then expanding the team with one extra
> volunteer will look less daunting than upgrading the forum to the latest
> version, which is made very complex by the extremely complicated setup we
> inherited from the pre-Apache era.
>
> Note: I did read the companion thread too, but still it didn't get into
> concrete maintenance tasks.
>
> By the way, Jan let me thank you in public for the infrastructure work:
> unfortunately, like all sysadmin tasks, if one does a good job it doesn't
> show since everything just keeps working and people forget that this is due
> to someone properly administering them.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>


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Mentor hat and advice

2015-08-24 Thread jan i
Hi folks

We should be celebrating our first release, it is getting close and we have
the IPMC votes we need, so now we just need to avoid -1 (binding)..

One of our core developers wrote to me privately asking for advice, instead
of responding privately I respond in here, so it becomes public knowledge.

Wearing my Mentor hat.

I do not want to interfere in any way with who mails what to whom, but at
least one core developer has been offended by a private (offlist) email and
asked me how to handle it.

As mentor, my recommendation is, that if you recieve private emails about
corinthia that you
do not want, reply politely to the email, asking the sender to direct the
email to one of our
mailing lists (Motto: If it did not happen on a mailing list, it did not
happen).

You should not send the email to any ML because it was  sent to you in
private, if you
want to prevent further private emails you can write, that emails will in
the future be
forwarded to e.g. private@, that way the sender has received a fair warning.

REMARK, the above is only an advice I give because I was asked, this is not
something you
need to follow in any way.

Rgds
jan I.

Ps. Could this day please be a day where we think positive.



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Fwd: Mentor hat and advice

2015-08-24 Thread jan i
wrong list sorry.

rgds
jan i

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Date: Monday, August 24, 2015
Subject: Mentor hat and advice
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org


Hi folks

We should be celebrating our first release, it is getting close and we have
the IPMC votes we need, so now we just need to avoid -1 (binding)..

One of our core developers wrote to me privately asking for advice, instead
of responding privately I respond in here, so it becomes public knowledge.

Wearing my Mentor hat.

I do not want to interfere in any way with who mails what to whom, but at
least one core developer has been offended by a private (offlist) email and
asked me how to handle it.

As mentor, my recommendation is, that if you recieve private emails about
corinthia that you
do not want, reply politely to the email, asking the sender to direct the
email to one of our
mailing lists (Motto: If it did not happen on a mailing list, it did not
happen).

You should not send the email to any ML because it was  sent to you in
private, if you
want to prevent further private emails you can write, that emails will in
the future be
forwarded to e.g. private@, that way the sender has received a fair warning.

REMARK, the above is only an advice I give because I was asked, this is not
something you
need to follow in any way.

Rgds
jan I.

Ps. Could this day please be a day where we think positive.



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[RESULT][VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.

2015-08-23 Thread jan i
Congratulations Dennis.

The following resolution has been added to the september board meeting:



A. Change the Apache OpenOffice Project Chair

   WHEREAS, the Board of Directors heretofore appointed Jan Iversen
   to the office of Vice President, Apache OpenOffice, and

   WHEREAS, the Board of Directors is in receipt of the resignation of
   Jan Iversen from the office of Vice President, Apache OpenOffice, and

   WHEREAS, the Community of the Apache Openoffice project
   has chosen to recommend Dennis Hamilton as the successor to the
   post;

   NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that Jan Iversen is relieved and
   discharged from the duties and responsibilities of the office of Vice
   President, Apache OpenOffice, and

   BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dennis Hamilton be and hereby is
   appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache OpenOffice, to
serve in
   accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of
Directors.
   and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation,
retirement,
   removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed.
=

I will in a moment resign from the project as such and unsubscribe from the
lists.

I wish the project all the best in the future. Even considering all the bad
discussion, I
still look back on some nice memories.

rgds
jan i.



On 20 August 2015 at 12:53, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:

 [X]  +1, Dennis Hamilton as new Chair

 On 16/08/15 08:57, jan i wrote:
  This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair
  role.
 
  Due to the fact that there are only 1 candidate we could use lazy
  consensus, but since
  some persons might be against that, we will use majority vote, as if
 there
  was multiple candidates.
 
  Voting rules are as follows:
  - Only PMC votes are binding, but everybody are welcome to vote
  - The nominee with the most +1 (deducted -1) gets elected
  - VOTE runs until Sunday August 23th
  - As outgoing Chair, I will send resolution to Board August 23th.
 
  Please vote
  [ ]  +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair
  [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair
  [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair
   (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion).
 
  Have fun voting.
  rgds
  jan i.
 


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Re: QUESTIONS RE: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum

2015-08-18 Thread jan i
On 17 August 2015 at 23:23, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:

 Thanks Tony, this reminds me of some questions that would help us
 understand what is involved.  These questions are anyone knowledgable of
 the current arrangements:

 I see four levels of support to wikis and forums:

  1. User Account and Content Administration
 I believe this is handed.  Does anyone believe it is not?

this is done by the wiki administrators.


  2. Administering the Running Service
 That is, a server administrator for the service (not necessarily the
 host)
 Is this done?  Do we need a replacement or an expansion here?  What
 are prerequisite qualifications for being able to do this.

I do that at the moment. I would strongly suggest at least an expansion.



  3. Administrating the Server that hosts the Service
 I assume this is where one deals with Ubuntu upgrades and such,
 whether the server is real or virtual.
 Is this provided by the project?  Do we need a replacement/expansion
 here from within the project?  Again, what are prerequisite qualifications?

Yes it is provided by the project, and actually it is extremely hard to
divided 2 and 3, they are interconnected.

I strongly suggest at least an expansion, also because the project might
have wishes which I would not see, are be able to facilitate (e.g. change
the login
configuration).

Sysadm experience brings you a long way, otherwise it is not hard to read
up on Mediawiki, mysql, ATS and Ubuntu.




  4. I assume hardware IT support is not the business of the project, and
 changing boxes is a different deal.  Yes?

It is vm´s and not physical boxes.

At the moment one of the biggest problems is how to recreate them if they
break. Infra nowadays use Puppet for that purpose. The Vms are defined in
puppet2 but
not puppet3.



 I suspect this is known.  I don't know if the necessary information is
 anywhere in project materials (haven't looked).

It is in the mail archives and on the vms themself.


 This is an area of ignorance for me.  I am not raising my hand.  I just
 want to ensure that the necessary requirements are understood and we know
 what is and is not adequately covered.

  - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Stevenson [mailto:t...@pc-tony.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 12:54
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum



 On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, at 01:31 PM, jan i wrote:
  Hi.
 
  The AOO Forum vm could do with an upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04 and be defined
  in
  the new puppet structure. Defining it in the new puppet structure has the
  advantage that Infra can roll a new vm in case of problems, and thereby
  reducing downtime.
 
  The AOO Wiki vm is in strong need of a reconfiguration and update (Ubuntu
  14.04 see above). Currently there is a ATS running on the same vm in
  front
  of the mediawiki (django) application. The ATS veersion is no longer
  supported by the traffic server project. Running it on a separate vm (or
  even as the HTPPS proxy) has a lot of merit, but it has not been done.
 
  As I am reducing my engagement in the project, this might be a good time
  for a new maintainer to step up. The actual maintenance is  about 1 hour
  pr
  month.

 Can I take this opportunity to remind the community that if this service
 fails to be maintained appropriately it will be turned off, or made
 unavailable by Infra until such time it is brought up to date and
 managed.

Tony@ I assume you by maintained really think of security, Infra do not
care which
version of e.g. mediawiki the project uses, as long as there are no known
security risks.


 AIUI this was the agreement that we had with the project when it was
 handed over to enable you to manage yourselves.

I can confirm, that is what I have been told when I started, and how I
handled it.

rgds
jan i.



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Re: [DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair of AOO ?

2015-08-16 Thread jan i
Hi.

Today is end of nominations, we have received 1 nomination and Dennis has
accepted the nomination.

I do not see a need for a further discussion period, since the last entry
on this thread was 13 days ago (not counting the private mails I have
received).

I will start the VOTE Thread shortly.

rgds
jan I.


On 3 August 2015 at 20:34, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:


  On 31 Jul 15, at 17:40, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote:
 
  On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Roberto Galoppini
  roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I would like to nominate Dennis Hamilton (orcmid), for a number of
  reasons
  we already discussed here, and more important to say because of his
 very
  positive attitude towards collaboration within the PMC.
 
  He proved to be an excellent mediator and advisor to the group, always
  respectful of the Apache Way and willing to help.
 
 
  +1.
 
  I think Dennis would be a great choice, if he is willing.   I've known
  him for almost a decade now, from his volunteer work on the ODF
  standard and with ODF interoperability.   He was one of the few true
  volunteer members of the ODF TC, not working for any of the large
  commercial vendors, but gained the respect of all with his technical
  knowledge and experience, but also his willingness to work with all.
  He's a gentleman, something we don't see much anymore.   I met him
  once in Seattle at an ODF Plugfest and he made me appreciate the
  importance of thanking public bus drivers.  My mentioning all this
  will surely embarrass Dennis a little, but that's the kind of guy he
  is, and I want to make sure you know that.
 
  Regards,
 
  -Rob
 
 
  and my +1 for Dennis Hamilton as chair
 
  I think Dennis would be an excellent choice.
 
  For what it's worth, he was also one of the original endorsers (well I
  don't know the proper term is here) for bringing OpenOffice into the ASF:
  http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal
 
  I think this says a lot about his interest and enthusiasm for OpenOffice

 +1 nomination for DH, too.

 Note, DH also ran for Chair last time we went through this. And given the
 abundance of reminders by Rich and others as to what a chair is and is not
 and given also that DH has been involved with Apache since …? (ages)…  As
 well as active with ODF (in numerous loci, despite his claims to be
 slightly less engaged), and also Corinthia….

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Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.

2015-08-16 Thread jan i
+0 (binding)

No need for a vote.

not even having discussed multiple candidates shows quite accurate the
state of the project.

rgds
jan i

On 16 August 2015 at 08:57, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair
 role.

 Due to the fact that there are only 1 candidate we could use lazy
 consensus, but since
 some persons might be against that, we will use majority vote, as if there
 was multiple candidates.

 Voting rules are as follows:
 - Only PMC votes are binding, but everybody are welcome to vote
 - The nominee with the most +1 (deducted -1) gets elected
 - VOTE runs until Sunday August 23th
 - As outgoing Chair, I will send resolution to Board August 23th.

 Please vote
 [ ]  +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair
 [ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair
 [ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair
  (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion).

 Have fun voting.
 rgds
 jan i.




[VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.

2015-08-16 Thread jan i
This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair
role.

Due to the fact that there are only 1 candidate we could use lazy
consensus, but since
some persons might be against that, we will use majority vote, as if there
was multiple candidates.

Voting rules are as follows:
- Only PMC votes are binding, but everybody are welcome to vote
- The nominee with the most +1 (deducted -1) gets elected
- VOTE runs until Sunday August 23th
- As outgoing Chair, I will send resolution to Board August 23th.

Please vote
[ ]  +1, I want Dennis Hamilton as new Chair
[ ] +0, I do not care if Dennis Hamilton becomes new Chair
[ ] -1, I am against Dennis Hamilton becomes new chair
 (out of curtesy, please add another suggestion).

Have fun voting.
rgds
jan i.


Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum

2015-08-14 Thread jan i
Hi.

The AOO Forum vm could do with an upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04 and be defined in
the new puppet structure. Defining it in the new puppet structure has the
advantage that Infra can roll a new vm in case of problems, and thereby
reducing downtime.

The AOO Wiki vm is in strong need of a reconfiguration and update (Ubuntu
14.04 see above). Currently there is a ATS running on the same vm in front
of the mediawiki (django) application. The ATS veersion is no longer
supported by the traffic server project. Running it on a separate vm (or
even as the HTPPS proxy) has a lot of merit, but it has not been done.

As I am reducing my engagement in the project, this might be a good time
for a new maintainer to step up. The actual maintenance is  about 1 hour pr
month.

I would like to help a new maintainer understand the setup, and also have
no problem continuing having access to the vm´s so I can help as
backstopper in case of problems.

I believe it is better for the project to have a person that is active in
the project, and participates on the mailing lists than one who do not read
the ML.

thoughts (or volunteers) ?

rgds
jan i.


Re: Can't access to people with SSH (was: [NOTICE] Windows build machine setted up)

2015-08-09 Thread jan i
On Sunday, August 9, 2015, Michal Hriň h...@apache.org wrote:

 you wrote you had uploaded the SSH keys to id.apache.org, that is a
 good
 first step.Next a couple of questions:
 - which terminal program do you use ?
 I use putty, and had to generate the keys with puttygen, you also have
 to
 remember to
 configure the terminal program to use SSH (not telnet) and give a path
 to
 your part of the key.

 - What exactly happens ? is your key rejected or do you get some kind
 of
 key error ?

 hrin

 I am using graphical terminal emulator xfce-terminal, bash and openssh
 6.9p1 ...

 so I need to generate keys : ssh-keygen -t rsa
 Done.

 Now I need to start agent and give to it keys:
 ssh-agent
 ssh-add

 I can check if the agent has keys with:
 ssh-add -L
 ssh-add -l

 Now I am going to id webadmin and copy paste here public ssh-key.

 I am awiting that I can connect:
 ssh myid@people... or
 ssh -2 myid@people... to force v2 protocol.

 The output is:
 --
 Note: logging in to this server with a password has been disabled.

 Please see :
 https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/committer_shell_access_to_people

 Remember to load your ssh key:-

 See: http://linux.die.net/man/1/ssh-add  ;
 See: http://linux.die.net/man/1/ssh-agent

 Permission denied (publickey).
 --

 I remembered that, I had setted up keys connection some years ago,
 nowadays I do not have old keys. In that time I had to copy my public
 key, to .ssh/authorized_keys file on people machine. Now I am not able
 to do this. Maybe this is the problem.

no now ldap is used (id.apache.org), but I wonder if the problem could be
that you have old keys on people.

This would normally give you a key invalid error. Since you get the note it
seems key is rejected and it therefore falls back to the password, which is
blocked.

Fastest solution for you is to jump on hip chat with infra, they have the
karma to e.g. remove your old keys.

rgds
jan i


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Re: [NOTICE] Windows build machine setted up

2015-08-08 Thread jan i
On 8 August 2015 at 20:21, Michal Hriň h...@apache.org wrote:

 BTW:
 Do you still have the access problem with your people@a.o account? If
 so, we (maybe together with Infra) should solve this. Then you can save
 the binaries there to indicate that the work comes from an AOO
 committer
 and not from somewhere else.

 hrin

 Yes, I have still this problems. Solving this will be great. Thanks !

you wrote you had uploaded the SSH keys to id.apache.org, that is a good
first step.

Next a couple of questions:
- which terminal program do you use ?
I use putty, and had to generate the keys with puttygen, you also have to
remember to
configure the terminal program to use SSH (not telnet) and give a path to
your part of the key.

- What exactly happens ? is your key rejected or do you get some kind of
key error ?

rgds
jan i.




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[NOTICE] Windows build machine setted up

2015-08-07 Thread jan i
On Friday, August 7, 2015, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbo...@rcbowen.com'); wrote:



 On 08/07/2015 04:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

 On 07/08/15 09:50, Michal Hriň wrote:

 Thanks for providing a binary, but I am a bit concerned that a version
 is
 made public, before the PMC have even spoken about being ready to make
 a
 release candidate or started voting on a release candidate.

 Is this coordinated with the release manager for 4.1.2 ?

 Please do not misunderstand me, I think it is great that work is being
 done, I am just surprised we are ready to go public with 4.1.2 even as
 a
 pre-view.

 hrin

 OK. Binary is deleted.

 This was not coordinated, that was only snapshot .. not release
 candidate. All in all Linux 32bit builds from AOO410 branch are on
 buildbots, so everybody can downlaod it, this is not secret.

 Sorry, that I was excited and want to show it publically.


 no problem you did a good job and I don't see any problem, you did not
 publish anything official and just provided a new fresh binary for
 preview and testing if your build env is working as expected and can be
 used for a Windows release build. Please continue your tests and keep us
 informed. I'm would be happy if I don't have to prepare windows builds.


 I'm finding this conversation perplexing, and, no doubt, I lack some
 back-story.

 Surely it's wonderful that someone is producing binaries for folks to try
 out, right? Why would we want them to be deleted, and not publicized?

 Binaries are not (as has been discussed DOZENS of times) official
 releases. And anyone is free to take our code and push out binaries.

 Can someone explain to me what the problem is here? We should be
 encouraging the work that Michal is doing, celebrating it, tweeting it, and
 encouraging everyone and their grandmothers to try out this new build.

 What am I missing?

Since I was the cause, let me explain what I tried to write,

I think the work done is very good, and wrote so, and I do not think
anybody asked for it to be deleted.

My concern was the naming 4.1.2 early preview. Thats sounds official (not
as an apache release, but you know that for AOO the binary is downloaded
factors more than the release source tar ball) and I do not want a
confusion to arise between what the release manager does and what
individual committers does.

I think Michael is doing a very important job with preparing builds for the
upcomming release, his work is known here, so much more reason to be
carefull when naming intermidiate builds. Andrea wrote it more direct, this
is a michael build based on the 4.1.0 branch, this is totally correct and
something a lot of people should test.

So I do not think you missed a lot, but as always it is real difficult to
write something without
getting misinterpreted or misunderstood.

rgds
jan i.


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New committer

2015-08-06 Thread jan i
Hi.

Welcome to Manik Malhotra who just accepting being openoffice committer.

rgds
jan i.


[NOTICE] Windows build machine setted up

2015-08-06 Thread jan i
On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Michal Hriň h...@apache.org
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','h...@apache.org'); wrote:

 V Štvrtok,  6. august 2015 o 10:22 +0200, Michal Hriň napísal(a):
  Hi all,
 
  finally I setted up Windows machine for dev builds.
  I have compiled build from AOO410 branch, for this time only in US
  and
  sk language.
 
  If nobody have better solution, I can prepare test builds.
 
  The only problem is that I cannot access people.a.o machine, I have
  generated ssh keys and uploaded public key to my id, but connection
  is
  still refused.
 
  I can upload builds to OneDrive or to our own server, but it has
  limitted bandwith so somebody need to copy it, to Apache machines (it
  can't be used for massive downloading).

 If somebody would like to try en-US 4.1.2 Early Preview

 https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9CF40FA60FBDCD!293authkey=!AP86Q
 1h_P__6LjIithint=file%2cexe
 https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9CF40FA60FBDCD!293authkey=!AP86Q1h_P__6LjIithint=file%2cexe


Thanks for providing a binary, but I am a bit concerned that a version is
made public, before the PMC have even spoken about being ready to make a
release candidate or started voting on a release candidate.

Is this coordinated with the release manager for 4.1.2 ?

Please do not misunderstand me, I think it is great that work is being
done, I am just surprised we are ready to go public with 4.1.2 even as a
pre-view.

rgds
jan i


 
 
  Jan - could you sent to me in private step-by-step guide for dummy
  about digital signing ? I can play a little with it. (for example
  with
  self generated certificate)
 
 
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Re: [NOTICE] Windows build machine setted up

2015-08-06 Thread jan i
On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Michal Hriň h...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 finally I setted up Windows machine for dev builds.
 I have compiled build from AOO410 branch, for this time only in US and
 sk language.

 If nobody have better solution, I can prepare test builds.

 The only problem is that I cannot access people.a.o machine, I have
 generated ssh keys and uploaded public key to my id, but connection is
 still refused.

 I can upload builds to OneDrive or to our own server, but it has
 limitted bandwith so somebody need to copy it, to Apache machines (it
 can't be used for massive downloading).


 Jan - could you sent to me in private step-by-step guide for dummy
 about digital signing ? I can play a little with it. (for example with
 self generated certificate)

I wrote it in an earlier email, search for digital signing. You need a
verisign account and only andrea has a AOO account and you need a simple
modification of the build procedure.

Andrea wanted to add me earlier but due to I believe some complications it
never happened.

Anyhow the way I suggested digital signing, was an idea which I tested, but
others might have different ideas about how to do it. First step would be
to agree on what should be signed (only the setup exe, the runtime exe, the
runtime dll and jars). A good digital signing (like my proposal) contain it
all.

rgds
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Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO

2015-08-04 Thread jan i
Hi

it seems there are different opinions on how to handle the rest of the
chair election process.

I suggested a timeline, in the beginning, but I cannot see consensus, so I
will not change the timeline,
however if any other PMC member wants to do it, then I am positive as long
as we have a solution no
later than the september board meeting.

An alternative (not my preference) could be to start the vote now until
e.g. september 15th, in the understanding that if a second (or more)
candidate turns up, the vote is restarted.

rgds
jan i.


On 4 August 2015 at 01:36, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 [top posting]

 Despite the apparent lack of nominees, I would urge us to continue with the
 originally announced date of Aug. 16 as the closing.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org
 wrote:

  The August Board meeting is on August 19 and I suspect that a resolution
  to the Board must be provided on or before August 17.  (I couldn't find a
  different deadline other than 2 days before.)
 
  My sense is that it is very important to be consistent and deliberate.
  For me, August 16 closing of nominations is an established, public date.
  There might be some generous lazy consensus period for reaching a
 different
  nomination-closing date so long as there are no further nominations or
 any
  request for the full time to accept nominations.
 
  Apart from concern that we demonstrate care in making any alterations, I
  am neutral with regard to the change of the closing date.  As the only
  current nominee, it is awkward for me to say any more than that.
 
   - Dennis
 
  -Original Message-
  From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org]
  Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:25
  To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
  Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO
 
  On 3 August 2015 at 19:59, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
 
   On 08/03/2015 12:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
  
   It seems to me that so far we have only one candidate.
   Given the actual situation I'd prefer us to consider the option to
 speed
   this up.
  
   We have many things to do, ranging from the Digital signing to go out
  with
   a new release, if we can close this we could probably focus on
 technical
   matters only.
  
   Does anyone have a problem to speed up this process?
  
   A big +1 from me, although I'm neither a committer nor a PMC member, I
 am
   a director, and would love to see AOO move past this road block, and
   potential source of controversy, and on to doing what the project was
   chartered to do.
  
  +1 from me, provided the PMC is in agreement on it.
 
  Please remember the original date was 16 August, so there might be
  candidates out there waiting (just like Dennis was not nominated the
 first
  day).
 
  In case the PMC decides to close for more candidates, I suggest a 72 hour
  (+weekend if needed) lazy consensus, and then I can make the needed
  resolution to board,
  we might even make it to the August board meeting.
 
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Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO

2015-08-03 Thread jan i
On 3 August 2015 at 19:59, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:



 On 08/03/2015 12:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:

 It seems to me that so far we have only one candidate.
 Given the actual situation I'd prefer us to consider the option to speed
 this up.

 We have many things to do, ranging from the Digital signing to go out with
 a new release, if we can close this we could probably focus on technical
 matters only.

 Does anyone have a problem to speed up this process?



 A big +1 from me, although I'm neither a committer nor a PMC member, I am
 a director, and would love to see AOO move past this road block, and
 potential source of controversy, and on to doing what the project was
 chartered to do.

+1 from me, provided the PMC is in agreement on it.

Please remember the original date was 16 August, so there might be
candidates out there waiting (just like Dennis was not nominated the first
day).

In case the PMC decides to close for more candidates, I suggest a 72 hour
(+weekend if needed) lazy consensus, and then I can make the needed
resolution to board,
we might even make it to the August board meeting.

rgds
jan i.



 --Rich




 Roberto

 2015-08-03 2:07 GMT+02:00 Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org:

 Let me correct my clumsy wording.  Here's another try.

 I think a full week of discussion with all known candidates
 can occur by having the discussion end on August 16, when
 nominations close, or 7 days after the last accepted-/self-
 nomination, whichever is later.

 Another way to say this is

 Discussion will end 7 days after the last accepted-/self-
 Nomination, and no earlier than August 16.

 Since August 16 is already on the books, that would not change, but we
 might find some slack post-August 16.


   - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
 Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 15:27
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO

 Good point concerning closing nominations with time remaining for
 discussion of the candidates prior to any [VOTE].  Perhaps that can just
 be
 7 days from the last accepted-/self-nomination or August 16, whichever is
 later.

 I think it is prudent to find some slack in the process, in case there is
 anything unexpected.

   - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org]
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 15:38
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org
 Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO

 On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org
 wrote:

 It looks like two mileposts are the same, with August 16 (17 days from
 now) including Discuss.


 they are only partly the same. new candidates ends august 16th, giving
 the
 PMC tine to discuss.


 I suggest that the Discussion ends August 23 be removed.


 If you do that candidates entering the last days have hardly time to be
 discussed.



 I suggest that we can then have Voting ends backed up to August 28, 12
 days from August 16.

 ok with me, if there is PMC consensus.


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Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... )

2015-08-01 Thread jan i
On 1 August 2015 at 19:23, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 jan i wrote:

 On Saturday, August 1, 2015, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

 Well, the project does have funds to spend on events and they have to be
 spent, so funding is only a matter of a discussion/vote/consensus here.
 Don't worry about this.

 We used to have a rule of 250eur if I remember right, travelling from US
 is
 likely to be 1000+


 We've never had generic provisions, since all events are specific. I think
 that limit was for FOSDEM. Moreover, we never got to the step of actually
 reimbursing anyone, since nobody ever (me, you, anybody else) asked for
 travel reimbursement in the end... If we set some guidelines, it would make
 sense to have at least a recommendation to prefer short-range travel.

I saw the 250EUR as generic, we briefly discussed it for at least another
event, but you are right it never came to payment time.

I would like to have guidelines, but not really event specific, but a max.
pr person pr event and that is how I saw the 250EUR. We do not need strong
guidelines,
but something should be made, to ensure fairness (e.g. the 250EUR would not
have paid in full my last trip to FOSDEM) and I totally agree with
short-range travel.

rgds
jan i



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Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... )

2015-08-01 Thread jan i
On Saturday, August 1, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 01/08/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

 I think if we create a portfolio of tests and a few slides on the
 status of AOO by mid-September, anyone could be present as an AOO
 participant.


 So in terms of tests we would need, for example, ODF documents exported by
 Google Docs (or IBM Docs, or whatever claims to produce ODF) that do not
 render as expected in OpenOffice? I assume this interoperability (seeing
 the type of event) is meant exclusively in ODF format, right? I.e., nothing
 related to OOXML for example.

 I do not have the means to travel to The Netherlands for this event.


 Well, the project does have funds to spend on events and they have to be
 spent, so funding is only a matter of a discussion/vote/consensus here.
 Don't worry about this.


We used to have a rule of 250eur if I remember right, travelling from US is
likely to be 1000+




 I am willing to go, although it would be valuable to at least have
 someone more technically involved around interoperability testing.  I
 don't think it is necessary to have someone be an official


 Sure, any properly skilled contributor can do. Is there a limit on the
 number of attendees? You could also be 2 people, Amsterdam is easily
 reachable by anyone in Europe.

 I find this to be an interesting event, especially as I am preparing an
 ApacheCon talk somewhat related to this; but it overlaps with another event
 and I won't be able to attend.

 I trust Roberto will continue to participate on the calls


 I haven't understood if Roberto is going to attend too, but a stronger
 presence at technical and non-technical events can only be beneficial.

+1

rgds
jan i


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Re: T-Dose 2015 - Helpers wanted

2015-07-31 Thread jan i
Hi

Super to hear we will have presence at one more event, thanks for making it
happen.

I cannot participate, but I can offer
- Apache stickers (if you are running low)
- A big Apache feather poster to hang behind the booth (lending not to keep)

We are finally getting the big apache feather poster available here in
europe (big thanks
to Sally for sponsoring this from the marketing budget).

If you want I can get it sent to you after ACEU, and you either return it
or keep it to FOSDEM.

Please also remember AOO still have an account with money, to be spent for
marketing, so
if you need AOO related material it is possible.

rgds
jan i.

On 31 July 2015 at 07:02, Dr. Michael Stehmann 
anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote:

 Hello,

 T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use
 and development of Free Software. This years event will be held on 28
 and 29 November 2015 at the Fontys University of Applied Science in
 Eindhoven.

 Like in the last years Apache OpenOffice will have a booth there.

 Mechtilde und I will organize that booth.

 Helpers wanted!

 Kind regards
 Michael




Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO

2015-07-30 Thread jan i
On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:

 It looks like two mileposts are the same, with August 16 (17 days from
 now) including Discuss.

they are only partly the same. new candidates ends august 16th, giving the
PMC tine to discuss.


 I suggest that the Discussion ends August 23 be removed.

If you do that candidates entering the last days have hardly time to be
discussed.



 I suggest that we can then have Voting ends backed up to August 28, 12
 days from August 16.

 ok with me, if there is PMC consensus.


 This allows some slack time in case there is more to figure out before
 submitting the resolution to the board by Saturday, September 5.  (Also,
 please note that this is on a major Holiday weekend in the United States,
 with Monday September 7 being the US Labor Day celebration.)

board meeting is later, september 5th is my deadline for personal reasons.

Rgds
jan i


  - Dennis


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 Hi.

 I will resign at the board meeting in September, so the current schedule
 looks like:
 Accept/Nominate/Discuss candidates until August 16th
 Discussion ends August 23th
 Voting ends September 4th
 Resolution send to board September 5th.
 New chair takes over immediately after the board meeting.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair of AOO ?

2015-07-30 Thread jan i
Hi Dennis

I have absolutely no problem with your changes as long as September 5th
remain unchanged.

however as we both know, the opinion thst I should follow the idea of a
single persone have
been raised quite direct in private, do could you please endure PMC
consensus to the proposal. With consensus I willchabfe it imidiatly.

rgds
jan i


On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:

 This is not a nomination statement.  It is a comment and a procedural
 suggestion.

 COMMENT

 Jan,

 I am certain that you gave deep consideration to your decision to resign.
 I trust that you have other pursuits that are more satisfying and that you
 can now provide full devotion to.  I wish you good fortune in all endeavors
 that you commit your considerable energies to.

 For me, your continued participation on the PMC, at whatever level you
 choose, will be welcome.

 PROPOSAL

 Two things,

  1. If there is only one nominee at the end of discussion, I suggest that
 a (5-day or 7-day) lazy consensus period, not a [VOTE], be conducted for
 that candidate.  This allows discussion on the specific candidate,
 including response to any objections, and the achievement of consensus
 without the awful situation that Louis Suarez-Potts endured in the previous
 determination of a Chair recommendation.

  2. I think candidates should be current PMC members (although that could
 simply be a matter of stated qualifications in the process we are starting
 now).  I base that on neither of the previous candidates being current PMC
 members.  I found, for myself, on joining the PMC after the previous
 election, that I was definitely missing background and understanding of the
 status of the PMC and issues it was being faced with.  I also missed seeing
 the way the outgoing Chair (i.e., Andrea Pescetti) provided examples as a
 PMC Chair.  For those who consider this role, please consult and embrace
 the definition of PMC Chair responsibilities at 
 https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair.

  - Dennis

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 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org javascript:;
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 Hi.

 I will resign at the board meeting in September, so the current schedule
 looks like:
 Accept/Nominate/Discuss candidates until August 16th
 Discussion ends August 23th
 Voting ends September 4th
 Resolution send to board September 5th.
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[DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair of AOO ?

2015-07-30 Thread jan i
Hi.

I will resign at the board meeting in September, so the current schedule
looks like:
Accept/Nominate/Discuss candidates until August 16th
Discussion ends August 23th
Voting ends September 4th
Resolution send to board September 5th.
New chair takes over immediately after the board meeting.

The reason for my resignation is an ongoing disagreement between part of
the PMC
and myself. I expected the PMC to be willing to make changes when I was
elected,
but at least my way seems to be counterproductive. The 2 main discrepancies
are:
- the board reports which, even though discussed publicly, have been the
cause of
  negative discussions after being sent to board
- the attempt to make a cooperation with LO, caused many discussions, but
ended
  with adding restrictions, that made it impossible for me to continue the
attempt.
I do not want to go deeper into details, since it does not help finding a
new chair.

As a volunteer I want to work, where the work makes a positive difference,
and not cause
endless negative discussions. I hope a new chair can help unite the PMC and
help drive
the project forward.

The PMC was informed about this July 24th, and after some discussions,
the time has come to find new candidates.

Please use this mail thread to announce yourself as a candidate, or to
nominate
someone else (remark that person must state whether or not the nomination is
accepted). There are no formal limits to being a nominee, apart from
committer
status.

The rules for the vote, will depend on the number of candidates but is
basically
a majority vote, with PMC votes being binding.

rgds
jan i.


Welcome to Gavin Mcdonald.

2015-07-27 Thread jan i
We welcome Gavin Mcdonald as a new committer.

Gavin, it would be nice if you could write a few lines about yourself.

on behalf of the openoffice PMC
jan i.


Re: Buildbot: buildslave aoo_mac-mini was lost

2015-07-24 Thread jan i
Isn´t it about time we got it configured with the AOO stuff.

Once we have that configured, then the buildbots cover our releases, and we
need no longer depend on local machines.

rgds
jan i.


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 The Buildbot working for 'ASF Buildbot'
 has noticed that the buildslave named aoo_mac-mini went away

 It last disconnected at Wed Jul 22 16:33:02 2015 (buildmaster-local time)

 The admin on record (as reported by BUILDSLAVE:info/admin)
 was 'Apache OpenOffice dev@openoffice.apache.org
 '.

 Sincerely,
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Re: [RELEASE] Availability of machines for binary builds

2015-07-24 Thread jan i
On Friday, July 24, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 18/07/2015 Davide Dozza wrote:

 I have a vm with visual studio express 2008 I use to build AOO for
 win7. It is accessible from Internet. I can support the building
 process.


 I expected this thread to yield much more detailed information on what
 systems we used for 4.1.1 and the exact build options we used, and if those
 systems are still available to use (or to be ported to buildbots, or
 whatever).

 I still hope that someone can provide all details. Feel free to send them
 to me personally if they are in an attachment that would be rejected by the
 list.

 In the meantime, Davide, my best advice would be to try a build of
 https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/AOO410/
 with the configuration options listed at

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
 (they are not 100% up-to-date, probably, but they should be quite close).

 The next step would be to bring this within Apache somehow (dedicated VM,
 buildbot...) and then the much more challenging problem of digital signing
 can be tackled. Note that I haven't checked the current buildbot
 configuration since I'm not sure at all that our 4.1.1 Windows builds came
 from a buildbot (actually I believe that was NOT the case).

None was done with buildbot.

I do however have no idea what you would do on a dedicated vm. The
buildbots can be reconfigured in a single file. You basically just need to
update the configure statement, I do
not know where we store the release config, I have asked that question in
here several times.

Digital signing, can be done from any machine (apache or private). One way
is to follow the steps I outlined in here a year ago.

rgds
jan i


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Re: [BUILD] Error comphelper module

2015-07-24 Thread jan i
On Friday, July 24, 2015, Michal Hriň h...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm trying to build AOO on Windows (7) and I still have problem with
 comphelper module.

 Error:

 =
 Building module comphelper
 =

 Entering /home/community/aoo-4.1.1/main/comphelper/prj

 cd ..  make -s -r -j1make -s -r deliverlog
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/isal.lib not defined: Assuming headers
 to be there!
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/icppuhelper.lib not defined: Assuming
 headers to be there!
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/icppu.lib not defined: Assuming
 headers to be there!
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/iucbhelper.lib not defined: Assuming
 headers to be there!
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/ivos.lib not defined: Assuming headers
 to be there!
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/msvcprt.lib not defined: Assuming
 headers to be there!
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/uwinapi.lib not defined: Assuming
 headers to be there!
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/kernel32.lib not defined: Assuming
 headers to be there!
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/msvcrt.lib not defined: Assuming
 headers to be there!
 [ info  ALL ] LinkTarget Library/oldnames.lib not defined: Assuming
 headers to be there!
 [ build PKG ] comphelper_inc
 [ build DEP ] LNK:Library/icomphelp.lib
 [ build RES ] comphelper/default
 [ build RES ]
 awk: fatal: can't open source file
 `C:/cygwinc:/cygwin/home/community/aoo
 -4.1.1/main/solenv/gbuild/processdeps.awk' for reading (No such file or
 directory)
 C:/cygwin/home/community/aoo
 -4.1.1/main/solenv/gbuild/WinResTarget.mk:59: recipe for target
 '/home/community/aoo
 -4.1.1/main/solver/411/wntmsci12.pro/workdir/WinResTarget/comphelper/de
 fault.res' failed
 make: *** [/home/community/aoo
 -4.1.1/main/solver/411/wntmsci12.pro/workdir/WinResTarget/comphelper/de
 fault.res] Error 2
 dmake:  Error code 2, while making 'all'



 Here is configure options:

  ./configure --with-dmake-url=
 http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2; -
 -with-ant-home=/cygdrive/c/apache-ant-1.9.6 --with-frame
 -home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1 --with
 -psdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1 -
 -with-midl-path=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft
 SDKs/Windows/v6.1/Bin --with-cl-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files
 (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC  --with-mspdb
 -path=/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio
 9.0/Common7/IDE --with-asm-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files
 (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC/bin --with-csc
 -path=/cygdrive/c/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5 --with-jdk
 -home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Java/jdk1.7.0_80  --with-nsis
 -path=/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/NSIS --with-directx
 -home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft DirectX SDK (June
 2010) --disable-atl --with-package-format=installed msi --enable-win
 -x64-shellext --with-lang=sk --without-stlport --without-junit -
 -disable-odk --with-mfc-include-dir=C:/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/mfc42
 --with-mfc-lib-dir=C:/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/Mfc/i386

 I am trying more versions of Windows SDK (6.1, 7.0 or 7.0A), I have C++
 Compiler bundled with SDK, this means MSVC++ 2008.

 I have no more ideas.
 Can sombody help me ?

at least your LIBPATH to gcc is not correct. I guess you cannot link a
simple hello world program. Kernel32 as well as the ms* is system
libraries.

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Fwd: Time to propose a CS Capstone Project!

2015-07-22 Thread jan i
Hi.

I have just received this, do we want to participate ?

I have participated earlier with mixed results.

rgds
jan I.

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From: D. Kevin McGrath dmcgr...@eecs.oregonstate.edu
Date: 22 July 2015 at 18:10
Subject: Time to propose a CS Capstone Project!
To: j...@apache.org



Colleagues --

Have you always wanted a particular software tool developed for your use,
but
have never had the time to do it yourself? Well then, read on. Have I got a
deal
for you!

My name is Kevin McGrath. I am the instructor who runs the OSU Computer
Science
Senior Capstone class. The Capstone class is a 3-quarter (Fall, Winter,
Spring)
career preparation experience. The major piece of this is doing a
significant
3 member team project.

When the students come to the first class on September 24, I want to present
them with a list of exciting, creative, and real-experience software
engineering
project possibilities. This is where you come in. I am looking for you to
use
your needs and experience to propose those project possibilities.

A web site has been setup to give you more information, and let you enter
and
edit your project proposals:

http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/capstone/submission/

You have until September 24 to get yours in. That is the date the students
will
see them, and will start the selection process. In that process, I ask the
students to bid on their top 5 choices. I ultimately make the final
project
assignments, but I try to take their preferences into account. I find I get
better results that way.

There will likely be more projects proposed than students teams to do them.
*So,
really sell your project.* Definitely don't understate its cool-ness
factor! The
more excited you sound in the description, the more excited they are likely
to
be when doing it. Excitement is contagious!

After projects have been selected, we will follow a client-contractor model
in
which I run the software contract company and you are one of our valued
clients. The students report to me, but you, as client, work directly with
them to design the requirements, set the timeline, approve the progress. You
also get to help assign grades.

This year I'm asking you to explicitly distinguish the projects that are
research oriented vs. those that are more software engineering focused. If
you
would like to propose a research project for the students, please indicate
this
using the Additional Comments field.

Given the nature of a research oriented project, I find that better results
are
had if the students are initially aware of the type of project. If you are
unsure, that is not a problem. I'm happy to work with you on the details of
your
project -- just submit it, and then we can chat about any changes that
might be
necessary.

Any project can be proposed from anybody. I don't care where you are from,
just
that your project represents an excellent software engineering experience
for
the students.

Do remember, however, that these are seniors. They have taken the core
classes
so far, but most have not taken some of the electives that would really
help in
some projects, such as graphics, AI, computer vision, etc. Keep that in mind
when proposing.

If you have questions or want to discuss project possibilities, feel free to
contact me at:

 D. Kevin McGrath
 Instructor, Computer Science
 Oregon State University
 2109 Kelley Engineering Center
 541-737-1420
 dmcgr...@eecs.oregonstate.edu

Thanks for your time -- I look forward to working with you!

 -- Kevin McGrath


Re: [RELEASE] AOO 4.1.2

2015-07-19 Thread jan i
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 Hello,

 Do you also wnat to upgrade the localisation files.

 When do you need the translation ready.

 I myself die some more translations in the help files.

If we have updates, we should include them, is there any reason not to ?

rgds
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Re: 4.1.2_release_blocker requested: [Issue 122712] PDF Export dialog too tall for some monitor screens

2015-07-18 Thread jan i
On 18 July 2015 at 00:53, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 15/07/2015 bugzi...@apache.org wrote:

 bmarcelly has asked  for 4.1.2_release_blocker:
 Issue 122712: PDF Export dialog too tall for some monitor screens
 https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122712


 We have a patch by Hanya available for this.

 I've temporarily posted screenshots, before and after applying the patch,
 at
 http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/2015-07-i122712/
 (I used the Italian version since strings tend to be longer and some
 localization issues may appear)

 Everything looks fine to me. We usually don't want to change the interface
 in a x.y.2 release, but here all strings and options remain exactly the
 same, they are just moved around for better visibility at some resolutions.

 Shall we use this rearranged layout for 4.1.2?

+1

rgds
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Re: RAT Build on AOO410 branch

2015-07-18 Thread jan i
On 18 July 2015 at 20:03, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:


 Hi All,

 Apologies for the initial build failures, but we now have a successful RAT
 build on the AOO410 branch
 in addition to the normal RAT build on trunk.

 See: https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/AOO410/rat-output.html

 And yes we have a clean RAT pass! (as expected I guess, but nice to know.)

thanks a lot, and you are right believing is one thing, knowing is far
better.

rgds
jan i.



 This RAT report will run and update on every commit to that branch.

 I have added a link to this report on the
 https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ page.

 HTH

 Gav…




Re: [RELEASE] Availability of machines for binary builds

2015-07-17 Thread jan i
On 17 July 2015 at 09:19, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 We will have to release OpenOffice 4.1.2 as source and as binaries for
 Windows, Mac, Linux 32 and Linux 64. I don't know exactly what we used to
 build 4.1.1, but I believe that we relied on individual developers'
 hardware.

 Leaving digital signing aside for a while, what environments do we have
 available at the moment? Who else (other volunteers) can help with building
 (on their machines or even with a buildbot setup on the Apache Software
 Foundation servers), especially for Windows and Mac?

I would really prefer we use the buildbots, it has a couple of advantages:
- We are 100% sure about the environment and that we can reproduce the
exact same build if needed
- Our buildbot get our release configuration, which means in future we
build a release candidate every night (of course not to be released)
- It is simple to switch the SVN pointer from trunk to branch, and then we
should have all platforms covered.
- we can save a lengthy upload, because the buildbot generate exe on apache
disks.

rgds
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Re: ODF 1.2 and AOO ?

2015-07-17 Thread jan i
On 17 July 2015 at 15:23, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:

 Hi Jan,

 jan i schrieb:

 Hi

 Can someone please help me understand the implications of this:

 https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/17/open-document-format-odf-1-2-published-as-international-standard-263002015-by-isoiec/

 Do we also support ODF 1.2 ?
 if yes, then we should also tell it,  if not what are the implications ?

 I thought ODF 1.2 was relative old, but I might be wrong.

 thanks for any information.


 In regard to marketing, read
 http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00240.html

 ODF 1.2 is not old, but the current version of the standard. Work has
 started for an errata to 1.2 and for a version 1.3, but both are in a very
 early stage. There are currently only about ten active members in the
 Technical Committee and they do not work on the standard in full time [in
 my case all is in my spare time], therefore the progress is very slow.

 ODF 1.2 is the native format for documents generated by AOO, but there
 exists still some elements in ODF 1.2, which AOO does not support.

 ODF 1.2 is an implementer driven standard. You should not think, that
 there is a group of people, who invents the standard, and then application
 developers will implement it. That is not the way standardization works.
 What really happens is, that the application developers implement features
 to satisfy their customers. And when this feature is not only implemented
 in one application, but in others too, then this feature is considered to
 go into the next version of the standard. Currently those features are of
 interest, which improve interoperability with OOXML, and change tracking
 is of special interest.

 Therefore the file format is not ODF 1.2 but ODF 1.2 extended. AOO
 writes always ODF 1.2. extended, LO has an option to write pure ODF
 1.2. The ODF 1.2 standard uses the mechanism of namespaces to make such
 extensions possible. When such feature goes into the standard, then the
 code has to be changed to read and write the new standardized element. On
 reading a document, the element in AOO namespace will then be mapped to the
 corresponding element from the standard. Such change is not really
 difficult, because AOO does not work on the file format directly but has
 its own internal model.


thanks a lot for taking time to explain it in an understandable way. To be
honest I had the wrong impression of how these standards come to be.

rgds
jan I.



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ODF 1.2 and AOO ?

2015-07-17 Thread jan i
Hi

Can someone please help me understand the implications of this:
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/17/open-document-format-odf-1-2-published-as-international-standard-263002015-by-isoiec/

Do we also support ODF 1.2 ?
if yes, then we should also tell it,  if not what are the implications ?

I thought ODF 1.2 was relative old, but I might be wrong.

thanks for any information.

rgds
jan i.


Re: 4.1.2_release_blocker requested: [Issue 126401] Add ASF license headers to files

2015-07-17 Thread jan i
On 18 July 2015 at 00:00, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 16/07/2015 bugzilla wrote:

 Kay has asked for 4.1.2_release_blocker:
 Issue 126401: Add ASF license headers to files
 https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126401


 Unless I'm really mistaken this does not apply to AOO410: those files do
 not exist in AOO410, as I wrote yesterday. But Kay is the third person
 mentioning this issue after Jan and Marcus, so if I am the one who is wrong
 just show me the path on AOO410 where the patch should be applied and I'll
 definitely take a look.

 What I see is:
 https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/
 contains an ooxml directory with the problematic files;
 https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/AOO410/main/
 does not contain that subdirectory at all, so it does not contain the
 problem.

 Well, fortunately we now have a buildbot that performs a nightly RAT scan
 on AOO410 at https://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux64-rat-aoo410/
 so (after some initial setup issues are fixed: they are responsible for the
 failures you see) we will all have the RAT output visible on the web and we
 will agree!

 If RAT scan passes on AOO410, then the patch does not need porting to
 AOO410 and can't be a blocker for 4.1.2. Any problems found by RAT on
 AOO410 are, instead, blockers for 4.1.2 and need to be reported and
 nominated. I'll wait for a RAT output that we can all see and agree upon
 before commenting in the issue.


I am lost in all these branches and tags, but I have one position, we run
rat scan on the release candidate and any problems is the same as a no-go
for release. If rat-scan is clean, whether or not these files are includes
I am happy and so it the legal side of apache.

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Re: First bugs fixed for OpenOffice 4.1.2

2015-07-15 Thread jan i
On 15 July 2015 at 02:35, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 I can't expect people to read all lists, so a short update to say that the
 first small batch of release blockers for 4.1.2 was integrated.


Thanks for the status, nice to see that we are moving on 4.1.2, I look
forward to write the next board report.

rgds
jan I.



 This includes:

 Issue 125519
 CRASH when step through document from page to page
 Affects mainly Draw. Fixes a crash.
 Discussed by Regina and Armin, fixed by Armin on trunk October 2014, now
 copied by Armin to the OpenOffice 4.1.2 branch.

 Issue 126281
 Remove HWP (Hangul Word Processor) filter
 Enjoyed some popularity outside the OpenOffice lists.
 Fixed by Andrea on trunk May 1st, related cosmetic refinements by Kay on
 trunk in June, reviewed by the Apache OpenOffice Security Team, now copied
 by Andrea and Kay respectively to the OpenOffice 4.1.2 branch.
 The Release Notes will need to mention that OpenOffice no longer supports
 files created with old (pre-1997) versions of HWP, Hangul Word Processor:
 discussion on the l10n list concluded that virtually no users use this file
 format any longer.

 Issue 105098
 Inserting files (e.g. images) into a document by dragdrop isn't possible
 Affects Mac systems.
 Patch contributed by Manik Malhotra on June 21st, reviewed by Herbert and
 fixed on trunk on June 24th, now copied by Andrea to the OpenOffice 4.1.2
 branch.

 What's next? If you have any favorite (and preferably fixed, or with patch
 available!) bugs that you would like to see corrected in 4.1.2 just open
 their Bugzilla page and nominate them as 4.1.2 Release Blockers (or
 simply send a link here, which will happen automatically if you suggest
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Re: First bugs fixed for OpenOffice 4.1.2

2015-07-15 Thread jan i
I am not sure how the procedure works, but we need to secure that the
rat-scan patches (gavin) are in 4.1.2

In my opinion, we also need to run a rat-scan on the final release
candidate.


how do we remember this?

rgds
jan i

On Wednesday, July 15, 2015, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/15/2015 07:29 PM, schrieb jan i:

 On 15 July 2015 at 02:35, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org  wrote:

  I can't expect people to read all lists, so a short update to say that
 the
 first small batch of release blockers for 4.1.2 was integrated.


 Thanks for the status, nice to see that we are moving on 4.1.2, I look
 forward to write the next board report.


 yes, thanks a lot for taking the first steps.

 I've not yet checked, but I don't expect that all BZ issues are clearly
 visible as 4.1.2 candidates (more than you have mentioned in your mail),
 right? So, we have to find and cleanup these issues to make them more
 visible?

 Marcus



  This includes:

 Issue 125519
 CRASH when step through document from page to page
 Affects mainly Draw. Fixes a crash.
 Discussed by Regina and Armin, fixed by Armin on trunk October 2014, now
 copied by Armin to the OpenOffice 4.1.2 branch.

 Issue 126281
 Remove HWP (Hangul Word Processor) filter
 Enjoyed some popularity outside the OpenOffice lists.
 Fixed by Andrea on trunk May 1st, related cosmetic refinements by Kay on
 trunk in June, reviewed by the Apache OpenOffice Security Team, now
 copied
 by Andrea and Kay respectively to the OpenOffice 4.1.2 branch.
 The Release Notes will need to mention that OpenOffice no longer supports
 files created with old (pre-1997) versions of HWP, Hangul Word Processor:
 discussion on the l10n list concluded that virtually no users use this
 file
 format any longer.

 Issue 105098
 Inserting files (e.g. images) into a document by dragdrop isn't possible
 Affects Mac systems.
 Patch contributed by Manik Malhotra on June 21st, reviewed by Herbert and
 fixed on trunk on June 24th, now copied by Andrea to the OpenOffice 4.1.2
 branch.

 What's next? If you have any favorite (and preferably fixed, or with
 patch
 available!) bugs that you would like to see corrected in 4.1.2 just open
 their Bugzilla page and nominate them as 4.1.2 Release Blockers (or
 simply send a link here, which will happen automatically if you suggest
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Re: Rat Patch take 2

2015-07-14 Thread jan i
Hi Gavin.

I am sorry you are experiencing a delay in getting the patch committed.

I have had a look at the patch, and to me it looks perfect. I would commit
the patch if I could,
but I am currently limited to my ipad (my development system, decided to
take a heat holiday).

I am convinced when one of the others get a couple of spare cycles they
will commit the patch.

Thanks for taking time to make the correction.
rgds
jan i.


On 14 July 2015 at 12:34, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:

 Just bumping this, anyone want to apply it?

 Thanks

 Gav…

  On 11 Jul 2015, at 7:54 pm, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:
 
 
  HI All,
 
  So two issues with the last patch:
 
  1. I missed two pref file for excluding
 
  2. Four files are treated as binaries (.project and .classpath) and so
 the diff never showed.
 
  I’ve forced the diff in those files so should be good now.
 
  I’ll talk about why those .project and .classpath have mime-types set in
 the first place in another
  thread.
 
  Please find attached a patch to resolve the 6 remaining RAT license
 issues.
 
  HTH
 
  Gav…
 
 
  rat_patch.txt




Re: [RELEASE] Contents of OpenOffice 4.1.2

2015-07-13 Thread jan i
On 13 July 2015 at 10:19, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote:

 With regards to digital signing, we have ‘test’ credits that can be used to
 practice on.

I understood earlier on David, that the credits infra bought last year
would expire this august and he was in doubt
how much he would buy going forward.

Do you have more recent information ?

rgds
jan i.



 Gav…

  On 13 Jul 2015, at 9:04 am, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 
  Hi
 
  I agree to use this as the overall plan, which of course needs to
 detailed.
 
  I do have a comment about digital signing. It is correct than I do not
 have
  spare
  cycles before mid october.
 
  Digital signing means in reality white listing the content, which are
 both
  our
  exe as well as many third part DLLs (some of the libraries are statically
  linked
  and not exposed outside the exe).
 
  Most of our third party libraries are pretty old (but works well for our
  purpose),
  and some of them have known security isses (not in the parts AOO uses).
 We
  need to upgrade the libraries that uses a DLL, otherwise we might
 whitelist
  a
  DLL with known security issues. This process is something we should do
  ahead of every release, and is not as such part of the digital signing,
 but
  digital
  signing makes it much more important.
 
  rgds
  jan I.
 
 
  On Sunday, July 12, 2015, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
 
  Am 07/12/2015 03:57 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
 
  It's time to decide what goes into 4.1.2 and what doesn't. Not in terms
  of specific bugfixes (we have the standard process of nominating
 release
  blockers for this and I don't plan to change it), but in terms of
  categories. The following is a realistic list of what we can have in
  4.1.2. Shall we take it as the overall plan for 4.1.2?
 
 
  In general I see it the same way. Some comments inline.
 
 
 
 
  2. Features
 
  * Windows 10: Millions of our users will run Windows 10 within a few
  weeks. OpenOffice is reported to work smoothly on Windows 10
  pre-releases. Should any major Windows 10 incompatibilities appear,
 they
  should be fixed in 4.1.2.
 
 
  When we want to react on specific bug reports (we should do this in any
  case as Windows is still the most favorite platform) then we create
  automatically a release schedule of a few weeks after that date - which
 is
  for me late summer. Just to be sure we understand the same.
 
  BTW:
  Release date of Win10 is July, 29th.
 
  3. Localization
 
  * Existing translations: Pootle is now tracking the 4.2.0 release, so
  translators do not have an immediate way to fix translations for 4.1.2.
  There is a possibility to check whether we can reuse the 4.2.0 strings
  for 4.1.2, but due to the version clash I would prefer to fix strings
  upon request, in the SDF files directly and only in the case of major,
  well-defined bugs (example: the Italian version has a typo in a main
  menu item; it is fixed in Pootle for 4.2.0 AND we can edit the SDF file
  manually to fix it for the 4.1.x line).
 
 
  This has also the advantage (when we don't get too many change requests)
  that we know in detail what is changing.
 
  Marcus
 
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Re: [RELEASE] Contents of OpenOffice 4.1.2

2015-07-13 Thread jan i
Hi

I agree to use this as the overall plan, which of course needs to detailed.

I do have a comment about digital signing. It is correct than I do not have
spare
cycles before mid october.

Digital signing means in reality white listing the content, which are both
our
exe as well as many third part DLLs (some of the libraries are statically
linked
and not exposed outside the exe).

Most of our third party libraries are pretty old (but works well for our
purpose),
and some of them have known security isses (not in the parts AOO uses). We
need to upgrade the libraries that uses a DLL, otherwise we might whitelist
a
DLL with known security issues. This process is something we should do
ahead of every release, and is not as such part of the digital signing, but
digital
signing makes it much more important.

rgds
jan I.


On Sunday, July 12, 2015, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 07/12/2015 03:57 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

 It's time to decide what goes into 4.1.2 and what doesn't. Not in terms
 of specific bugfixes (we have the standard process of nominating release
 blockers for this and I don't plan to change it), but in terms of
 categories. The following is a realistic list of what we can have in
 4.1.2. Shall we take it as the overall plan for 4.1.2?


 In general I see it the same way. Some comments inline.




  2. Features

 * Windows 10: Millions of our users will run Windows 10 within a few
 weeks. OpenOffice is reported to work smoothly on Windows 10
 pre-releases. Should any major Windows 10 incompatibilities appear, they
 should be fixed in 4.1.2.


 When we want to react on specific bug reports (we should do this in any
 case as Windows is still the most favorite platform) then we create
 automatically a release schedule of a few weeks after that date - which is
 for me late summer. Just to be sure we understand the same.

 BTW:
 Release date of Win10 is July, 29th.

  3. Localization

 * Existing translations: Pootle is now tracking the 4.2.0 release, so
 translators do not have an immediate way to fix translations for 4.1.2.
 There is a possibility to check whether we can reuse the 4.2.0 strings
 for 4.1.2, but due to the version clash I would prefer to fix strings
 upon request, in the SDF files directly and only in the case of major,
 well-defined bugs (example: the Italian version has a typo in a main
 menu item; it is fixed in Pootle for 4.2.0 AND we can edit the SDF file
 manually to fix it for the 4.1.x line).


 This has also the advantage (when we don't get too many change requests)
 that we know in detail what is changing.

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Re: How to commit changes to 410 branch?

2015-07-09 Thread jan i
Heh

you noted it yourself, wrong list.

In my opinion we should change branch, I dont like reusing 410 because if
we want to make a 4101 (security issues) it will be close
to impossible.

rgds
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On 9 July 2015 at 21:47, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 It seems we are still using the 410 branch for the 4.1.2 release. There
 have been quite a number of changes to trunk since the 4.1.1 release
 that I feel ALL these should be incorporated into 4.1.2.

 How do we get the changes from trunk into the 410 branch easily?

 It seems we could use --
 svn copy my changes
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO410/trunk/my
 changes

 and do a commit on
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO410/my changes
 once this is done?

 If not, how do we do this without actually making the 410 branch local?

 Wouldn't it be easier just to tag when we're ready to do the release
 instead of all this back porting?
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Re: Release Manager for 4.1.2

2015-07-06 Thread jan i
On Monday, July 6, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 24/06/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

 I can volunteer as Release Manager for
 4.1.2. Of course, if anybody else is available to do it, please speak up!


 So, judging from the feedback, we have several +1s and no other volunteers
 available for the task.

  I obviously can't fulfill the role completely ... a
 limited Release Manager like I could be is probably better than
 nothing if we want to make 4.1.2 a reality.


 This paragraph was written in a confusing way. Let me restate it so that
 there is no possible confusion:

 - I volunteer as Release Manager for the 4.1.2 release (a Release Manager
 is always for a specific release; this says nothing about the future).

 - By limited I simply meant that I won't do all the work alone; this is
 an accordance with the Release Manager role, a release is the work of a
 community and not of an individual.

 - I plan to fully respect the role of Release Manager as described in
 http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager

 Shall we start a [VOTE]? Shall we need further discussion? Shall we simply
 go forward? Up to you.

I dont think we need a vote, we have consensus, nobody said anything
against you volunteering.

Gratulations on your new role.

We need to find out fir which parts you need what type of help.

rgds
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Re: ApacheCon (ACEU) submissions due today

2015-07-01 Thread jan i
On 1 July 2015 at 08:22, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 24/06/2015 Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) wrote:

 hmm, just submitted a proposal yesterday evening


 Deadline is tonight European time. I will submit a talk about the
 OpenOffice/ODF ecosystem. It will be enough to get one or two more talks
 to build an OpenOffice track, so (as Jan already suggested multiple times)
 if you plan to attend make sure you submit a talk proposal and we can then
 coordinate and avoid overlapping.

Deadline was last midnight, as said in several mails, but as usual the
apacheCON team accept late entries to a degree.

Nobody from OpenOffice stepped up to build a track, or to help review, so
there are no OpenOffice track planned. That said, I do hope (and are pretty
sure) the
reviewers will point at some AOO talks so we will be represented.

rgds
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 Useful links at https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage and remember
 to submit for Apache Conference Europe 2015 (not US!) and for ApacheCon
 Core (not the Big Data event).

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Re: ApacheCon (ACEU) submissions due today

2015-07-01 Thread jan i
On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 jan i wrote:

 Deadline was last midnight, as said in several mails, but as usual the
 apacheCON team accept late entries to a degree.


 OK, thanks for being flexible.

  Nobody from OpenOffice stepped up to build a track, or to help review, so
 there are no OpenOffice track planned. That said, I do hope (and are
 pretty
 sure) the
 reviewers will point at some AOO talks so we will be represented.


 Is there a difference between having N talks and calling it a (full or
 half) track? I know that for a track the selection process is the opposite
 (one proposes a track and volunteers to solicit talks), but if N (means: a
 sufficient number) of talks get in I don't see the difference.


the difference is the selection process, once we have schedule there are no
difference. The people who build tracks select the talks with little
influence from other reviewers, whereas the rest of the talks are in one
big group, giving a single talk more competition. In case of AOO it means
that without a track it is less likely that all talks will be accepted
(remark, I only
talk theory here, the selection process is just starting).

hope that explains the difference

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July board report.

2015-06-30 Thread jan i
Hi.

It is again time to make a board report, you can find my proposal at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+July

comments and changes are welcome.

disclaimer: if you make changes directly in the report, the wording might be
changed.

I intent to submit the report with changes sunday 5th july.

rgds
jan i.


Re: July board report.

2015-06-30 Thread jan i
On 30 June 2015 at 13:54, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:51 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

  Hi.
 
  It is again time to make a board report, you can find my proposal at
  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+July
 
  comments and changes are welcome.
 

 Should the fact CVE-2015-1774 is still unresolved in the released version
 be mentioned?

It is kind of obvious, no new release so of course it is still unresolved.

However we have provided a work around description, which seems to be
sufficient.

rgds
jan i.



 Best regards

 Simon



Re: July board report.

2015-06-30 Thread jan i
On 30 June 2015 at 14:45, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

  On 30 June 2015 at 13:54, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
 
   On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:51 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
  
Hi.
   
It is again time to make a board report, you can find my proposal at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+July
   
comments and changes are welcome.
   
  
   Should the fact CVE-2015-1774 is still unresolved in the released
 version
   be mentioned?
  
  It is kind of obvious, no new release so of course it is still
 unresolved.
 

 The previous Board report was issued just before the CVE was made public,
 and is thus not mentioned. Given it's been unresolved for four months, two
 public, shouldn't it be mentioned this time?


Allow me to correct your statement, it is not unresolved. We discussed it
on this
list and a workaround has been provided. That is the important part, had we
not issued a workaround (and please do remember the theoretical nature of
the problem), then it would have been escalated through other channels.

But apart from that it is not custom to mention CVE in board reports,
independent
of their status.

I have nothing against mentioning it, if the community at large feels it is
needed,
even though it would be exceptional.

rgds
jan i.




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 Simon



Re: July board report.

2015-06-30 Thread jan i
On 30 June 2015 at 17:44, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:

 Am 06/30/2015 01:51 PM, schrieb jan i:

 It is again time to make a board report, you can find my proposal at
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+July

 comments and changes are welcome.


 just a spontaneous suggestion for the moment:

 Release 4.1.2:
 I would move the we have a release manager part down to the release
 section as IMHO it belongs there.

good catch, will do that.

rgds
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Re: LanguageTool - place link on AOO site

2015-06-29 Thread jan i
On 29 June 2015 at 16:53, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:

 On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 15:47:16 +0100
 Marco A.G.Pinto marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt wrote:

  Hello!
 
  Just wondering if you place a link to the grammar checker, LanguageTool,
  somewhere in the area of the AOO downloads:
  https://languagetool.org
 
  I am involved on the Portuguese rules for it.
 
  LanguageTool is an important add-on for AOO since it supports over 20
  languages and it suggests grammar corrections, which is something
  missing in AOO but which MS Office has by default.
 
  Thanks!
 
  Kind regards,
Marco A.G.Pinto
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 There is  already a link from the Extensions repository, at
 http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/languagetool

 Perhaps this should be linked also to the sadebar on  the download page?

I would be a bit careful with that, if done (and I am not against it being
done) it must be 100%
clear that this is not coming from apache, and not part of our release
schedule.

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Re: Background to Cooperation: ASF/AOO Principles, Policies, Practices

2015-06-28 Thread jan i
On 28 June 2015 at 19:49, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:

 I want to be very clear about the narrowness of the exemplary Apache
 OpenOffice exception.  See the remark below.  And to see how one wends
 through the deliberations around obtaining an exception, 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-117 is exemplary.  A general
 exploration of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL/ reveals
 more cases as well as how rare exceptions are.

  - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
 Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 16:56
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: Background to Cooperation: ASF/AOO Principles, Policies, Practices

 [ ... ]

 PRACTICES AND EXCEPTIONS

 There are many practices that support how the ASF pursues its mission.
 The use of mailing lists is one example.  The use of services supported on
 Apache infrastructure is another.

 There can be exceptions to policy and deviations among practices.
 Exceptions tend to be very specific and not generalized.  (I suspect a
 generalization would be a change/amendment of policy and a serious review
 of any conflicts with established principles.)

 An example of an exception that is specific to the Apache OpenOffice
 project is the distribution of convenience binaries that have writing-aid
 plug-ins bundled with them that are not themselves under a license that is
 acceptable for source-code releases.  There are a number of specific,
 delimited provisions under which this action is found consistent with
 Apache principles although it is an exception to a general policy.  This
 practice was only introduced after obtaining review and eventual
 concurrence via the list on which legal and license questions are discussed.

 orcmid
 The narrowness of the exception for these plug-ins is that they
 contain no code, they deliver data in a general format that can
 be used in a well-defined technique, and that they are completely
 replaceable.  Users can also install additional ones of their
 choosing and remove/disable the ones that are provided in the
 binary distributions as a convenience.  It is also the case that,
 if one inspects the plug-in (using a form of Zip package), one
 would encounter all applicable license information and there would
 be no confusion over the license that is specific to them material
 conveyed by a given plug-in.
 /orcmid


I would be very careful about interpreting the above extract. The plugins
do contains quite a lot of code, and some of them like the dictionaries are
not really
optional. We actually deliver plugins as part of our own exe, so we do
distribute some of the plugins without a special license.

But legal has looked at what we deliver and accepted it, so no need to
detail that further.

You also use the word narrowness, as if these exceptions are written in
stone, that is not the case, we can always ask for other exceptions if
needed (whether
we get them is a different matter).

rgds
jan i.


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Re: Download Stats

2015-06-27 Thread jan i
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:


 On 06/26/2015 11:27 AM, Marcus wrote:
  Am 06/26/2015 12:40 PM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
  Just to note that the OO download statistics haven't been updated in a
  long time.
 
  I remember that Rob has taken care about updating these numbers.
  Unfortunately, I don't know where it is decribed how it is done.
 
  Marcus

 I think Rob's python scripts are in:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/
 using the csv file you see there (?0 but I don't know where THAT comes
 from.

 This was a nice feature but we need instructions.

I don't think Rob has abandoned  the ship, just busy doing other thing.

rob@ would be nice if you could add a little explanation.

rgds
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Re: [Q] Question about Mailarchive

2015-06-25 Thread jan i
Hi

see inline please.

On 25 June 2015 at 12:03, Mathias Röllig mroellig.n...@gmx.net wrote:

 Hello!

 Mailing lists intend to be a little private; only subsribers should read
 the messages. This isn't the case since mailing list will be mirrored at
 the internet.

Apache mailing lists are pr. definition public, we try to make as much as
possible public. We do have a few private mailings (each project has one),
but
they are to be used for matters involving people.


 Most mirrors hide the email addresses of senders and inside the message
 text. But not all.

correct.


 A special case is bugzilla. Bugzilla not intends to be a mailing list. It
 seems it is a closed forum which shows sender addresses only for people who
 are logged in. Bugzilla posts will be streamed into a mailing list - and
 there is the problem.

We do it with bugzilla and also with subversion.

I actually do not see the problem, bugzilla/subversion are as such is also
public, and anybody can go in and read the content, even without a user.


 Look at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-issues/
 There is the address of the (always same) sender hidden:
 bugzi...@apache.org

 But all other email addresses are free readable.

 Do you think it is OK?

I do. We believe in being totally open, that includes mailing addresses. If
you do not want your mail address exposed, then create and use an alias.

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Re: AOO Principles for Cooperation among ODF Projects

2015-06-25 Thread jan i
On 25 June 2015 at 22:58, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:

 In April, Andrea Pescetti provided a great blog post on prospects for
 cooperative work among users with shared interest in the OpenOffice code
 base, Collaboration is in our DNA:
 https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/collaboration_is_in_our_dna.

 That topic and related matters have been discussed from time-to-time in
 private discussions of the Apache OpenOffice PMC.  There is agreement that
 it is best, and timely, to have this discussion in the entire Apache
 OpenOffice community.  That means discussing collaboration and cooperation
 prospects here on dev@ openoffice.apache.org.

 I propose to kick that off now.

  - Dennis

 BACKGROUND AND SKETCH

 I am a member of the AOO PMC and also an ASF Committer.  This note and the
 others I will offer are my personal opinions and analysis.  I am *not*
 speaking for the PMC in any manner.  I am simply expressing my suggestions
 on how to articulate a foundation for collaboration.  This is to bootstrap
 a discussion that matters to the PMC, I trust, and that will be valuable to
 the AOO community and other on-lookers.

 I want to address what the aspirations of the Apache Software Foundation
 (ASF) are in terms of its principles and policies, and how they arise in
 the character of Apache projects.  When I appeal to principles that are
 bedrock for the Apache Software Foundation, I will provide references and
 locations where those are presented and discussed already.

 The idea is to identify fundamental principles behind the framework which
 AOO and all ASF Projects operate within and which cooperative activities
 are expected to be consistent with.  The idea is to use that as a basis for
 exploring and bootstrapping some actual cooperative activities.

 Here's what I see in a progression of discussions about principles and
 areas for action.

  1. The ASF Principles on how code of others is accepted into ASF Projects
 and how it is respected.

  2. The ASF Principles on source code and what kind of licenses are
 required on source code that is part of a release.

  3. The possibilities for cooperation on source code that cannot be used
 directly in an ASF Project release and how that can be handled in
 distribution of binaries.  The preferences for optional dependency as
 opposed to essential dependencies and where they apply.  Dependencies that
 are disallowed on principle (and for which only very specific, narrow
 exceptions are considered, if ever).

I can follow your other points but not this one. Apache does pr rule not do
binary releases. If a binary is provided it is a convenience NOT a release.
Single PMC members (or others) might provide binary releases on their own
behalf.

This is actually a point where the AOO PMC walk on a very sharp sword, so
the wording here is extremely important.

I find your other point very good discussions point, so maybe we should
leave the binary release for a moment.


  4. Other forms of cooperation that are mutually beneficial and provide
 important reduction of duplicate efforts, magnified impact of contributor
 efforts, etc.
These include security, incident reporting (bug reports) and analysis,
 and QA for starters.
There is also one that is important to me personally and that is
 cooperation on interoperability assessment and documentation that expands
 the quality of support for ODF (and, potentially, OOXML).
End-user-facing support is also a gigantic opportunity for improved
 support of users here and elsewhere.
Developer-facing support such as hackathons, plugfests, and interop
 demos and cross-pollination at organized events is also opportune.

This of course signals that the other part is interested in a partial
cooperation.



  5. The prospect for some sort of federation around the openoffice.org
 code base and perhaps interoperable/reference ODF implementation.

 That's my thinking.

and good thinking it is, let us how others react, I am not a average
community member in this respect.

rgds
jan i.



 I offer this overall sketch as context for the initial introduction of
 topics to follow.

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Re: Release Manager for 4.1.2

2015-06-24 Thread jan i
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 It seems that on one hand we all agree that we should release 4.1.2
 reasonably soon, but on the other hand nobody volunteered to be a Release
 Manager so far.

 After several months of traveling, I expect to have more free time that I
 can allocate to OpenOffice in the next weeks. So if people who would better
 than me at the task (just to name some: Juergen and team, Ariel...) are
 still unavailable, I can volunteer as Release Manager for 4.1.2.

 Of course, if anybody else is available to do it, please speak up! I
 obviously can't fulfill the role completely, since there are skills that I
 miss, but I can help with coordination of tasks, integration/testing of
 patches and some building (for sure there will be need of help with
 Windows/Mac builds, especially considering digital signing). Still, a
 limited Release Manager like I could be is probably better than nothing
 if we want to make 4.1.2 a reality.

+1.

With ACEU around the corner I do not have spare cycles before end of
october.

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Re: Release Manager for 4.1.2

2015-06-24 Thread jan i
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Michal Hriň h...@apache.org wrote:

 If needed, I can try to set-up Windows machine for builds. But I'm not
 very familiar with digital singing (and to be honest I never finish
 Windows build, but I tried to build it with MSVC2012).

We do have a windows buildbot that could be configured to generate the
executable.

In general we should use buildbots for generating releases since it is a
known environment,
whereas a private setup is more difficult to verify.


 Maybe I can help with patch integration but I lack knowleage in this
 area too.

 What about ACEU hackaton ? :)

rooms are available, so it is a simple matter of getting people to come.

Nobody has volunteered to make a openoffice track, and looking at cfp, it
seems we
might end up without any aoo talks.

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Re: ad ACEU submissions (Re: Release Manager for 4.1.2

2015-06-24 Thread jan i
On 24 June 2015 at 18:28, Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) r...@apache.org
wrote:



 On 24.06.2015 11:01, jan i wrote:
  On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Michal Hriň h...@apache.org wrote:
 
 ... cut 

 
  What about ACEU hackaton ? :)
  rooms are available, so it is a simple matter of getting people to come.
 
  Nobody has volunteered to make a openoffice track, and looking at cfp, it
  seems we
  might end up without any aoo talks.
 hmm, just submitted a proposal yesterday evening, which sounds simliar to
 last year's, but is quite
 different: it will introduce (once more) a bird-eyes view of the AOO Java
 based scripting framework.
 Unlike last year it will concentrate on JSR-223 scripting languages (which
 implement the respective
 javax.script classes, introduced with Java 6) and introduce and
 demonstrate a reusable
 implementation for a Java bridge between a JSR-223 language (this time
 NetRexx) with the AOO Java
 bridge. The implementation will be in a way that practically everything
 can be re-used for any other
 JSR-223 language, by merely adapting a few locations of the introduced
 implementation. (The proposal
 is attached FYI.)

 If accepted, maybe it would be interesting to also offer a hackathon
 session for interested Java
 programmers who wish to integrate their favored JSR-223 scirpting engine
 with AOO (and thereby
 making it available as an AOO macro language)?


thanks for the submission, I actually looked at an extract from friday.

A hachathon or at least a meetup would be a nice thing. It is sure I will
be there, but I do not
know who else.

If you (or others) want to reserve space for a hackathon, please put it on
https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/FrontPage
or mail me the information, then I can add it.

official hackathon will be added to the scheduler.

rgds
jan i.



 ---rony

 One prooposal for an AOO talk on this year's ACEU:

 A Java Bridge between javax.script (JSR-223) and the AOO Scripting
 Framework, or: Turn Your
 Favorite Java Scripting Language into an AOO Macro Language

 Event
 ApacheCon Core Europe

 Submission Type
 Presentation

 Category
 Developer

 Biography
 Rony G. Flatscher has been working as an Information System
 (Wirtschaftsinformatik) professor
 at the WU Vienna (with 25,000 business students one of the largest of
 its kind) where he has
 been trying to empower the students with IT and IS skills to help them
 be more productive in a
 business world that functions more and more on IT and IS. He has been
 an active promoter and
 creator of many different open source software, including the
 (end-user suited) programming
 language http://www.ooRexx.org. His work on ASF's Bean Scripting
 Framework (BSF) helped him to
 serve as an expert on the Java Specification Request 223 (JSR-223)
 group which defined the Java
 scripting framework, which got introduced with Java 6 (package
 javax.script).

 Abstract
 Apache OpenOffice (AOO) implements a scripting framework in Java.
 Building a bridge to a Java
 'javax.script' (aka JSR-223) scripting language allows making it
 directly available as a macro
 language to AOO. This presentation gives a bird eyes view of the AOO
 scripting framework, what a
 bridge for a 'javax.script' scripting language needs to support,
 introduces and demonstrates one
 such implementation making the NetRexx programming language available
 to AOO. As a result it
 becomes very easy for any Java programmer to add her favorite Java
 scripting language to AOO (a
 list of such programming languages can be found at
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_JVM_languages) by adapting the
 introduced bridge. The
 necessary adaptations will be highlighted such that every Java
 programmer attending should
 become able to create a functional bridge to another Java scripting
 language within an hour.

 Audience
 The audience is interested in the Apache OpenOffice (AOO) scripting
 framework and/or adding
 programming languages to Apache OpenOffice as macro languages.

 Experience Level
 Any

 Benefits to the Ecosystem
 AOO may be enhanced by many new programming languages that can be used
 and dispatched as macro
 languages.

 Status
 New





Re: [RAT REPORT] - 30 files with an unknown or no License Header

2015-06-20 Thread jan i
Hi.

Newest rat report still shows the same 6 files as being a problem.


http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/rat-output.html


rgds
jan i.


On 18 June 2015 at 20:19, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 Thanks for applying the patch.

 I will check the next RAT-Scan to see if the files sill appear.

 rgds
 jan I.


 On 18 June 2015 at 19:36, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:

 Hi Jan,

 jan i schrieb:

 HI.

 did anybody note the rat-scan output, seems we have 6 files still that
 are
 a problem (a probably should be deleted):

 Unapproved Licenses:

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaOOXMLParser/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.classpath

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.project

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.classpath

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.project


 I had submitted the patch from Gavin McDonald. But that patch contains
 the lines
 Index: main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.classpath
 ===
 Cannot display: file marked as a binary type.
 svn:mime-type = application/xml
 Index: main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.project
 ===
 Cannot display: file marked as a binary type.
 svn:mime-type = application/xml

 and
 Index: main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.classpath
 ===
 Cannot display: file marked as a binary type.
 svn:mime-type = application/xml
 Index: main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.project
 ===
 Cannot display: file marked as a binary type.
 svn:mime-type = application/xml

 so for those no change exists in the patch. I read that, but did not
 notice the consequence.

 The files

 main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs
 +main/ooxml/source/framework/SchemaParser/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs

 should have entries in rat-excludes, at least I see that in the commit
 message of r1684976.

 Kind regards
 Regina



 rgds
 jan i.


 On 16 June 2015 at 08:27, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 11/06/15 18:23, jan i wrote:

 On 8 June 2015 at 16:58, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de

 wrote:


  Hi Jürgen,

 is it OK to commit the patch?

  if it not ok to commit the patch, then I wonder how the files was

 committed

 in the first place.

 If it is not ok, then the files should be deleted. We cannot have files

 in

 trunk without the proper
 ALv2 license.

 Furthermore we cannot make a release with these files.

 I recommend applying the patch. Deleting the files might have

 sideeffects.



 No it have no sideeffect and yes it is ok to apply the patch. As I
 explained before these files are part of the started but currently
 stopped new OOXML framework. It's part of the parser generator ...

 Anyway it is a eclipse project in Java and the license headers were
 simply forgotten in the first shot. If you want a Java tooling that
 would have created C++ stubs and parser for doing the ground work for
 OOXML parsing ...

 Again these files should not be part of y source release and can be
 filtered out as some other things as well.

 Applying the patch and adding the license header is even better and more
 clean for future purpose.

 Juergen


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Re: [RAT REPORT] - 30 files with an unknown or no License Header

2015-06-18 Thread jan i
HI.

did anybody note the rat-scan output, seems we have 6 files still that are
a problem (a probably should be deleted):

Unapproved Licenses:
/home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaOOXMLParser/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs
/home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.classpath
/home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.project
/home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs
/home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.classpath
/home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.project

rgds
jan i.


On 16 June 2015 at 08:27, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 11/06/15 18:23, jan i wrote:
  On 8 June 2015 at 16:58, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de
 wrote:
 
  Hi Jürgen,
 
  is it OK to commit the patch?
 
  if it not ok to commit the patch, then I wonder how the files was
 committed
  in the first place.
 
  If it is not ok, then the files should be deleted. We cannot have files
 in
  trunk without the proper
  ALv2 license.
 
  Furthermore we cannot make a release with these files.
 
  I recommend applying the patch. Deleting the files might have
 sideeffects.
 

 No it have no sideeffect and yes it is ok to apply the patch. As I
 explained before these files are part of the started but currently
 stopped new OOXML framework. It's part of the parser generator ...

 Anyway it is a eclipse project in Java and the license headers were
 simply forgotten in the first shot. If you want a Java tooling that
 would have created C++ stubs and parser for doing the ground work for
 OOXML parsing ...

 Again these files should not be part of y source release and can be
 filtered out as some other things as well.

 Applying the patch and adding the license header is even better and more
 clean for future purpose.

 Juergen


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Re: [RAT REPORT] - 30 files with an unknown or no License Header

2015-06-18 Thread jan i
Thanks for applying the patch.

I will check the next RAT-Scan to see if the files sill appear.

rgds
jan I.


On 18 June 2015 at 19:36, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:

 Hi Jan,

 jan i schrieb:

 HI.

 did anybody note the rat-scan output, seems we have 6 files still that are
 a problem (a probably should be deleted):

 Unapproved Licenses:

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaOOXMLParser/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.classpath

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.project

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.classpath

 /home/buildslave19/slave19/openofficeorg-nightly-rat/build/main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.project


 I had submitted the patch from Gavin McDonald. But that patch contains the
 lines
 Index: main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.classpath
 ===
 Cannot display: file marked as a binary type.
 svn:mime-type = application/xml
 Index: main/ooxml/source/framework/JavaPartManager/.project
 ===
 Cannot display: file marked as a binary type.
 svn:mime-type = application/xml

 and
 Index: main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.classpath
 ===
 Cannot display: file marked as a binary type.
 svn:mime-type = application/xml
 Index: main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.project
 ===
 Cannot display: file marked as a binary type.
 svn:mime-type = application/xml

 so for those no change exists in the patch. I read that, but did not
 notice the consequence.

 The files

 main/ooxml/source/framework/OOXMLViewer/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs
 +main/ooxml/source/framework/SchemaParser/.settings/org.eclipse.jdt.core.prefs

 should have entries in rat-excludes, at least I see that in the commit
 message of r1684976.

 Kind regards
 Regina



 rgds
 jan i.


 On 16 June 2015 at 08:27, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 11/06/15 18:23, jan i wrote:

 On 8 June 2015 at 16:58, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de

 wrote:


  Hi Jürgen,

 is it OK to commit the patch?

  if it not ok to commit the patch, then I wonder how the files was

 committed

 in the first place.

 If it is not ok, then the files should be deleted. We cannot have files

 in

 trunk without the proper
 ALv2 license.

 Furthermore we cannot make a release with these files.

 I recommend applying the patch. Deleting the files might have

 sideeffects.



 No it have no sideeffect and yes it is ok to apply the patch. As I
 explained before these files are part of the started but currently
 stopped new OOXML framework. It's part of the parser generator ...

 Anyway it is a eclipse project in Java and the license headers were
 simply forgotten in the first shot. If you want a Java tooling that
 would have created C++ stubs and parser for doing the ground work for
 OOXML parsing ...

 Again these files should not be part of y source release and can be
 filtered out as some other things as well.

 Applying the patch and adding the license header is even better and more
 clean for future purpose.

 Juergen


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Re: [RAT REPORT] - 30 files with an unknown or no License Header

2015-06-11 Thread jan i
On 8 June 2015 at 16:58, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:

 Hi Jürgen,

 is it OK to commit the patch?

if it not ok to commit the patch, then I wonder how the files was committed
in the first place.

If it is not ok, then the files should be deleted. We cannot have files in
trunk without the proper
ALv2 license.

Furthermore we cannot make a release with these files.

I recommend applying the patch. Deleting the files might have sideeffects.

rgds
jan i.



 Kind regards
 Regina

 Jürgen Schmidt schrieb:

  On 06/05/15 14:45, jan i wrote:

 On 6 May 2015 at 14:14, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:

  Hi All,

 http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/rat-output.html

 shows 30 files that need attention in getting valid license headers
 adding.

 A quick look shows to me that we should probably insert ASF license
 Headers
 in all of those files.

 If nobody gets to it before me I’ll provide a patch to that effect.

  I just had a look, all the files should really have ALv2 added. I
 wonder
 what happened, because I know a couple of these files used
 to have ALv2. I will take a look at svn log later.

 The archives however is covered by the general LICENSE file, when we
 make a
 distribution.

 Patches are welcome.
 rgds
 jan I.



 the files were from a new project that is currently stalled, I believe
 the headers were simply forgotten. They are not part of the office yet
 and if they are in the source tarball it is just a mistake.

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Re: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies

2015-06-06 Thread jan i
On Saturday, June 6, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:

 OSCON 2015 is near upon us.

 I am offering to do booth duty again this year.  I had a great time and am
 happy to do it again.

 I have one request.

 Can we have bigger Apache OpenOffice buttons?  The little ones are nice,
 but I find they are difficult to put one.

 The design need not change, but it would be good to have bigger ones.  Is
 that easy to accomplish?

It is a good idea and we have the budget to make it happen. All we need is
someone doing it.

rgds
jan i



  - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Melissa Warnkin [mailto:missywarn...@yahoo.com.INVALID
 javascript:;]
 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 08:29
 To: d...@community.apache.org javascript:;; ksch...@apache.org
 javascript:;
 Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question

 Hi Kay,

 What kind of project giveaways are you thinking of? Let me know - I'll be
 more than happy to accommodate this if I can.  Please be sure to contact
 brand management if approval is needed!!!

 As Ross mentioned, I'm the primary booth staffer, but there are always a
 handful of volunteers that help at the booth (staffing during breaks/lunch
 and help with the setup/teardown).  Shane will be my sidekick at the booth
 this year.  If you or others from your project will be attending OSCON and
 would like to be present at the booth at a specific time to talk to the
 attendees, just let me know.  We could always send out a broadcast via
 social media about stop by the ASF's booth at XXX to speak with the reps
 from Project XXX.  That goes for the other projects as well!!

 It's always great to have someone from the community at the booth to
 answer technical questions!!

 Please let me know if you have any further questions.

 Have a great day - speak soon,

 ~Melissa



 
  From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com javascript:;
 To: d...@community.apache.org javascript:;; ksch...@apache.org
 javascript:;
 Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:07 PM
 Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question


 We have foundation giveaways but generally not specific projects (the table
 isn't big enough;-)

 Usually we just have Melissa staff it and answer general questions about
 the ASF. Wherever possible she connects people asking about specific
 projects to attendees at the conference.

 In theory we could be more organized giving specific projects a time slot
 for example. But we would someone to help Melissa manage this.

 If there is something you would like to do let us know.










 On 19 June 2014 17:08, k...@apache.org javascript:; ksch...@apache.org
 javascript:; wrote:

  I just saw in the May Board minutes that Apache has applied for a booth
  at OSCON.
 
  Can we get a small update on this? Should projects provide give-aways of
  some sort if we have them? What's typically handled at the Apache booth
  at OSCON.
 


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Re: Source signed by someone not on your list

2015-06-03 Thread jan i
Hi

Juergen Schmidt was the release manager for the latest AOO releases so the
key is valid.

If you use our official mirror through www.openoffice.org you should see
that the
key is legal.

but thanks for being observant and reporting your findings.

rgds
jan i
v.p. apache openoffice


On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, tensizes tensi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 This is a security heads-up.  After downloading the latest release of
 Apache Open Office and checking the key, I found it was signed by someone
 not on your published KEYS file list of contributors, someone named Jeurgen
 Schmidt

 His/her pgp key id is 51B5FDE8

 The release file is from mirror http://mirrors.gigenet.com
 Filename: apache-openoffice-4.1.1-r1617669-src.tar.bz2

 Either Jeurgen Schmidt has been left off of your list, or they have been
 signing sources without permission.

 Thanks for your development efforts,
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Re: [BUILDBOT] - Status of the Buildbot builds

2015-06-03 Thread jan i
hi Gav.

Super job, thanks a lot !

rgds
jan i.


On 3 June 2015 at 17:28, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:


 Hi All,

 After going through all the builds we are now in a much healthier position.

 See: http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/

 Only ONE failing build as of writing (fbsd-nighty) and that is being
 looked into.

 I have also added the mac-mini to that status page as is is on and ready
 for building.

 HTH

 Gav…




Re: Mac buildbot [was: Re: CentOS build box.]

2015-06-03 Thread jan i
On 3 June 2015 at 16:00, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi jan, *

 On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 09:09:30AM +0200, jan i wrote:
  Looking at other threads, it seems our Mac buildbots are in the process
 of
  being
  configured, does anybody have a planned ETA ?

 I have now access to the machine (thanks a lot to Gavin!), but cannot
 give you an ETA, though I'll try to do my best this weekend, at least
 starting with a simple setup.


Super.

Are you still thinking of using vms, as originally discussed, so we can
make different versions ?

rgds
jan i.




 Regards
 --
 Ariel Constenla-Haile
 La Plata, Argentina



Re: [BUILDBOT] - AOO Mac Mini

2015-06-02 Thread jan i
On Tuesday, June 2, 2015, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi All,

 The Mac Mini for OpenOffice (slavename aoo_mac-mini) is now online.

 I installed the Buildbot slave software, configured the slave and the
 master and
 the slave is now currently connected and awaiting instructions for a build.

 Use the slave name ‘aoo_mac-mini’ when configuring the Buildbot Build.

 I have NOT installed any dependent software that the build(s) may require,
 Andrew and Ariel currently have SSH access to the box. Let me know if
 more are needed.

thanks a lot.

rgds
jan i


 Thanks

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Re: CentOS build box.

2015-06-01 Thread jan i
On 31 May 2015 at 18:43, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 05/30/2015 05:29 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
  On 30/05/2015 Kay Schenk wrote:
  On 05/30/2015 01:57 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
  Assuming AOO builds on CentOS 6, is there any reason to insist
  on CentOS 5?
  There was a dissension. I did ask about the ramifications -- what
  specifically IS the issue to moving to CetnOS 6 -- but got no reply.
 
  I think it was already explained by Ariel and me at the time. But in
  short, OpenOffice 4.x has CentOS 5.x (or the equivalent Red Hat 5.x) as
  a baseline distribution: in a certain sense, we commit to keeping
  sources buildable on CentOS 5 and to distributing binaries that run on
  distributions as old as CentOS 5. In order to change our baseline
  distribution we would normally need a compelling technical reason or a
  major version change (say, OpenOffice 5.x).

 I understand this but from a technical standpoint, what are the show
 stoppers with ver 6 vs 5? Or, put another way, what would be impacted in
 AOO if this change were made today?

 
  Then for the buildbots we already use more modern distributions, but a
  CentOS buildbot would best be setup with CentOS 5 for the reasons
  explained above: a CentOS 5 buildbot would even allow us to build
  releases directly on it.

 Sure, in fact, this is what Juergen suggested in his resignation as
 Release Manager, and for some reason, I thought (maybe?) we had agreed on:

 http://markmail.org/message/qh6uzkfjcya647sb


 I'm not saying this is a prerequisite for
  releasing 4.1.2, I'm simply explaining why the current situation makes
  it much more useful to have a CentOS 5 buildbot than a CentOS 6 one.
 
  Regards,
Andrea.
 

 OK, thanks. In summary, we seem to agree that establishing buildbots for
 our actual binary release candidates is more than just important, but
 necessary. I do admit that maybe this wasn't clear to everyone.

+1, and I am convinced that as soon as we get what we already have
operational,
infra will not be a release-blocker if we need additional buildbots.

Looking at other threads, it seems our Mac buildbots are in the process of
being
configured, does anybody have a planned ETA ?

Who can/will look at the windows buildbot, it seems svn is not working ?

We also need to reconfigure all buildbots to run with release config.

I am quite busy with a couple of other things, so I do not have spare
cycles at the
moment.

rgds
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Re: CentOS build box.

2015-06-01 Thread jan i
On Tuesday, June 2, 2015, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 06/01/2015 12:09 AM, jan i wrote:
  On 31 May 2015 at 18:43, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com javascript:;
 wrote:
 
 
 
  On 05/30/2015 05:29 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
  On 30/05/2015 Kay Schenk wrote:
  On 05/30/2015 01:57 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
  Assuming AOO builds on CentOS 6, is there any reason to insist
  on CentOS 5?
  There was a dissension. I did ask about the ramifications -- what
  specifically IS the issue to moving to CetnOS 6 -- but got no reply.
 
  I think it was already explained by Ariel and me at the time. But in
  short, OpenOffice 4.x has CentOS 5.x (or the equivalent Red Hat 5.x) as
  a baseline distribution: in a certain sense, we commit to keeping
  sources buildable on CentOS 5 and to distributing binaries that run on
  distributions as old as CentOS 5. In order to change our baseline
  distribution we would normally need a compelling technical reason or a
  major version change (say, OpenOffice 5.x).
 
  I understand this but from a technical standpoint, what are the show
  stoppers with ver 6 vs 5? Or, put another way, what would be impacted in
  AOO if this change were made today?
 
 
  Then for the buildbots we already use more modern distributions, but a
  CentOS buildbot would best be setup with CentOS 5 for the reasons
  explained above: a CentOS 5 buildbot would even allow us to build
  releases directly on it.
 
  Sure, in fact, this is what Juergen suggested in his resignation as
  Release Manager, and for some reason, I thought (maybe?) we had agreed
 on:
 
  http://markmail.org/message/qh6uzkfjcya647sb
 
 
  I'm not saying this is a prerequisite for
  releasing 4.1.2, I'm simply explaining why the current situation makes
  it much more useful to have a CentOS 5 buildbot than a CentOS 6 one.
 
  Regards,
Andrea.
 
 
  OK, thanks. In summary, we seem to agree that establishing buildbots for
  our actual binary release candidates is more than just important, but
  necessary. I do admit that maybe this wasn't clear to everyone.
 
  +1, and I am convinced that as soon as we get what we already have
  operational,
  infra will not be a release-blocker if we need additional buildbots.
 
  Looking at other threads, it seems our Mac buildbots are in the process
 of
  being
  configured, does anybody have a planned ETA ?
 
  Who can/will look at the windows buildbot, it seems svn is not working ?
 
  We also need to reconfigure all buildbots to run with release config.

 I don't understand the above sentence.

 
  I am quite busy with a couple of other things, so I do not have spare
  cycles at the
  moment.

 OK, I will at least followup on the infra ticket to see why the 64-bit
 CentOS 6 machine seems to now be offline. I do hope in the next few
 weeks, I will be able to help with a 32-bit CentOS box.


You should be aware that the centos 64bit vm never got a full installation
it was an experiment to see if we (infra) could get puppet to work.

rgds
jan i



 
  rgds
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Re: CentOS build box.

2015-05-29 Thread jan i
On 29 May 2015 at 00:57, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 On 12/15/2014 03:47 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 05:31:54PM +0100, jan i wrote:
  Hi
 
  FYI, in case you have not noticed. INFRA-8768 (centOS buildbot
  for AOO) took a huge jump today, and are very near completion.
  This was done by the infra Contractors.
 
  Time to find somebody, that will install the AOO specific
  buildbot parts.
 
  Bad news:
 
  [arielch@bb-centos-vm ~]$ cat /etc/centos-release CentOS release
  6.6 (Final)
 
  The Linux base requires a Centos 5 system, see
  https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119385
 
 
  Regards
 

 A very old thread indeed and STILL needed for linux builds. This
 particular host, bb-centos-vm, does not seem to respond at the moment.
 And we STILL need 32 bit as well. Can we get some advice from one of
 our infra friends here?

 We really can't do much in the way of planning for 4.1.2 without the
 buildbots we need for distribution -- unless I'm missed some important
 announcement.


I think we were lucky that gmcdonald used some of his private time to help
get
some of the buildbots back online.

I do believe we have used all our free mileage and more with infra, we
should
get our own parts in order before requesting more resources.

As far as I know, macOs is also part of our release, and I believe the Mac
Boxes
are still not operational, so maybe we should start there. Once the
buildbots we
have run, then it is time to expand.

a fast check on status says:
fbsd failed
win7 failed
mac cannot be found

Please also do not forget we have files on trunk (reported by gmcdonald)
that misses
a license header, that is a real release blocker.

rgds
jan I.





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Re: ODF Explorer

2015-05-24 Thread jan i
Hi.

I have had the chance of testing your tool earlier, and I see it as a handy
tool.

With my AOO hat on, I do not think it fits in the project. I do think it is
a nice add-on for odf toolkit (which I am not involved in)
and Corinthia.

I will respond further on the corinthia dev list.
rgds
jan i.


On 24 May 2015 at 06:53, Ian C i...@amham.net wrote:

 Hi All (cross posting to AOO and ODF Toolkit)

 I have, as part of a research project, created a tool named the ODF
 Explorer which is available for initial feedback. The thing is aimed at
 projects like Corinthia or any other ODF consumer/producer.

 It allows a user to see what is in an ODF document in terms of its
 structure. And it looks at a form of coverage analysis called production
 coverage. In short it ticks of which elements and attributes of the ODF
 schema have been used. It also shows the changes between documents as
 things are added.

 An example graph is attached. It is a filtered view of the headers.odt
 that Gabriela created.

 It processes text, spreadsheet, and presentation documents.

 It should be available via my dropbox account here
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5407897/odfe.zip

 I intend to make the thing available as an open source once I get some
 feedback to confirm it at least does not go hugely wrong. Not quite sure
 how to go about that though.

 It is built around the Java Apache ODF Toolkit, and will require a 64 bit
 Java. I've not tried on 32 I'm just assuming it won't work ??

 It is a Java program wrapped in Javascript to provide a user interface and
 so runs on both Linux (where it was developed) and Windows. If anyone picks
 it up and tries it on a Mac let me know.

 Before you can run it however, you need a couple of external things.

 Graphiz available via http://www.graphviz.org/Download.php this is used
 to draw graphs.
 It needs to be available on your command line.
 Confirm it is via dot -V (note the capital)

 And Node.JS available via https://nodejs.org/download/
 It too needs to be available on your command line.
 npm -v to confirm.

 I have seen on Windows installs that you may need to create an npm
 directory in your AppData/Roaming  directory before node.js works. And on
 other machines it installs just fine.
 I have a Linux system here.

 Once you have the two externals then unzip the odfe.zip to a directory of
 your choice.
 Open a command line and change to your selected odfe install directory
 (should see a package.json and an odfe.jar file there)
 And type npm start - it should say an http server has started on port 3000.

 Then open Firefox or Chrome - I tend to use Chrome. Not IE, it doesn't
 handle things well. And the url http://localhost:3000/app/index.html;
  should do the business for you.

 Each page has a green box in the top left hand corner to open a help page.
 Open the one on the first page and it should explain the beast. If it does
 not I have failed.

 And since I have been working on this beast for so long now there are
 probably so many things I am taking for granted.

 This initial release is pretty much to check it can be run outside of my
 little world and to get whatever comments I can.

 Let me know how it goes and hopefully you can see the use/relevance of
 such a tool.

 I will try to figure out how make it (and the source) more generally
 available to a wider audience once I am happy users can get it up and
 running. And if there is any interest in it.

 If you can think of others who would be able to comment then feel free to
 forward it to them.

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Re: Coverity Scan update

2015-05-18 Thread jan i
Hi.

I am very confused.

I have not used, nor do I use coverity scan ! Is this an unrequested
Advertisement ?

I know that Apache OpenOffice used to use these scans, but I have no idea
if they are still being used.

I have asked to be removed from your mail database before, please make it
happen, I do NOT like unconsolidated emails.

I have copied dev@o.a.o so the community can judge your email.

rgds
jan I.


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Re: Draft Blog Post: Authoring e-Books in Apache OpenOffice: An Interview with Jon Holdsworth

2015-05-11 Thread jan i
On 11 May 2015 at 14:57, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote:


 https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=authoring_e_books_in_apache

 That requires an editor account for the blog to read.  I though there
 was an easy way to rewrite the URL so the preview was public, but that
 does not seem to be working for me.

no the preview function is only for the selected few.



 In any case, this is an interview with an author who used AOO for a
 book he recently wrote and has some nice technical hints on how to
 accomplish this with OpenOffice.   This should be of interest to many
 of our users/

+1 go for publish.

rgds
jan I.



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Re: [BUILDBOT] - Linux 32bit Nightly (openoffice-linux32-nightly)

2015-05-08 Thread jan i
On 8 May 2015 at 10:03, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:


 Hi All,

 So this build was ‘flapping’, i.e. passing/failing nearly every other
 build.

 http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux32-nightly?numbuilds=50

 This was mainly due to the use of the method=‘copy’ way of updating the
 source tree.

 The SVN step performs two things when in ‘copy’ mode, it does a checkout
 to a ‘source’
 directory and then does a copy from there to the ‘build’ directory. The
 first has a default
 timeout of 1200 whilst the latter has a (currently) unconfigurable timeout
 of 120.
 It is the latter 120 timeout during copy that makes the build fail, about
 50% of the time it
 hits the timeout limit before the copy is complete and so the build fails.

 I have changed from using mode=‘full', method=‘copy’” to using
 mode=‘incremental’”
 which basically means use ‘svn update’ directly on the build directory. I
 believe this will
 stabilise this particular build. (I can’t remember why mode=copy was used
 originally.)

years ago, there was a problem with svn up, that some files were not
correctly updated (something to do
with the filesystem, if I remember right).

In my opinion svn up should do just fine now (I use it on ubuntu and
windows without problems).

rgds
jan I.



 All the other builds also still use mode=copy but I haven’t spotted a
 failing pattern with
 those so far because of it.

 HTH

 Gav…




Re: {BUILDBOT] - Linux 32bit Snapshot (openoffice-linux32-snapshot)

2015-05-07 Thread jan i
On Thursday, May 7, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 jan i wrote:

 do you happen to have the config options we use for releases on the
 different platforms?


 I think the closest resource we have is

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
 (bottom of page); there you find options for all operating systems, even
 if they might be slightly outdated.

 I did not recommend those, mainly because they did not work for me. I was
sure we had documented exactly how the 4.1.1 binaries was made, but cannot
find it.

rgds
jan i

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Re: Opinions about Open Office

2015-05-07 Thread jan i
On Thursday, May 7, 2015, Remigiusz Fajfer aspagn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 My name is Remigiusz Fajfer and I am Polish. I am curently using Open
 Office and Libre Office at the same time. I must say that Libre Office is a
 little bit better right now, but I believe that it is good to support both
 projects, because one can always be a little better than the other and
 competition is something good.
 One thing that drives me mad about open source programmers is that they
 mostly do not listen to suggestions. I am curently speaking mostly about
 blender project.
 Suggestions to you:
 1. The icons are too small. It's nice to look at the softness of them, but
 they are too small. The best optical reference is that their size should be
 the upper top of the middle. When you look at them, they just shouldn't
 be the middle size, but a little bumpy..
 2. The color of the panel is light blue, which is a Microsoft standard.
 Well, the Microsoft standard is wrong, and this should be a light rotten
 yellow, rotten means it should be with the little of grey, green and red.
 3. The panel needs to be optimised. It's just along the process of
 programming lots of people put important functions somewhere they do not
 fit and the users have problems finding them and remembering where they
 are. That does not mean the panel should be somehow minimalised. The only
 way to do this is to find someone with vision to work as giving opinions
 about it.
 That's all. Thank you for giving me the oportunity to share.


Thank you for the comments.

It is funny having worked with big closed source companies I have always
found that the openSource world is more open to changes.

However there is an important point which you might have missed. OpenSource
is a world of doers, we are not told what to do (like in companies), so if
you really want to change things you need to involve yourself.

In your case you could e.g.
- write specific design changes as bugzilla issues
- offer to help with testing
- maybe do some of the design
and not forgetting documenting it.

rgds
jan i


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Re: Buildbot Builds

2015-05-06 Thread jan i
On 6 May 2015 at 11:26, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:



  On 4 May 2015, at 7:49 am, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 
  snip

  I will test stuff on the Linux version only. Our buildbots are not in
 great shape
  http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/
  so (without reopening a discussion on installing new ones, please) we
 should also look at fixing them to be able to find regressions quickly.

 I’ll do what I can wrt to the Buildbot builds and setup so expect some
 mails from me on this.
 Note that this is my ‘volunteer time’ so although my infra karma will help
 I’m not wearing that hat.

Thanks a lot for helping out, I actually think your buildbot experience is
more important than your infra hat for this.

rgds
jan I.



 Gav…




Re: forum.opnoffice.org

2015-05-06 Thread jan i
Hi.

I could not see any problems, can someone please check if there are
problems in e.g. a single Forum

thanks in advance
jan i.


On 6 May 2015 at 09:56, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:

 On Wed, 6 May 2015 09:36:12 +0200
 Carlo Salvagno casa...@email.it wrote:

  He, today there is a new problem, the forum does not work.
  rgds
 
  Carlo Salvagno

 En-Forum has been working OK, as far as I can tell.  I don't see any error
 message on the status server.

 Rory O'Farrell

 
  Il giorno 02/apr/2015, alle ore 18:47, jan i ha scritto:
 
   Just got confirmation from infra, they have had a server problem
 today, that has affected a large number of vms.
  
   We might still see shorter periods with prolonged responses, while
 infra get all systems normalized.
  
   rgds
   jan I.
  
  
   On 2 April 2015 at 18:18, casa...@email.it wrote:
  
   After hours of problems, seems normal now.
   Carlo Salvagno
   - Original Message 
   Da: Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
   To: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org
   Cc: jan i j...@apache.org
   Oggetto: Re: forum.opnoffice.org
   Data: 02/04/15 14:16
  
  
  
   Forum site still running very slowly.
  
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Re: using the correct mailing list

2015-05-06 Thread jan i
On 6 May 2015 at 11:28, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi All,

 I notice that appoximatly half of the mails to this development list are
 user queries.

 Rather than answer those user questions here can we maybe not answer them
 but redirect
 them to the correct mailing list ?

I think it is a good idea, and I do also see that happen quite often.

Maybe the procedure should be, redirect the mail (with a copy to the
sender), and then respond to the mail on users@



 This will help stop the dilution of this list and eventually we’ll end up
 with development discussion
 without having to weed out the user queries.

While I agree wit your POW, please be aware that this list is also used for
general discussions, so from time to time the line between a user
question and things we discuss here are very thin (e.g. problems with
download).



 i.e. - Im on this list for dev stuff only.

It is nice to have you here.

rgds
jan i.



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Re: [RAT REPORT] - 30 files with an unknown or no License Header

2015-05-06 Thread jan i
On 6 May 2015 at 14:14, Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi All,

 http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/rat-output.html

 shows 30 files that need attention in getting valid license headers adding.

 A quick look shows to me that we should probably insert ASF license
 Headers
 in all of those files.

 If nobody gets to it before me I’ll provide a patch to that effect.

I just had a look, all the files should really have ALv2 added. I wonder
what happened, because I know a couple of these files used
to have ALv2. I will take a look at svn log later.

The archives however is covered by the general LICENSE file, when we make a
distribution.

Patches are welcome.
rgds
jan I.



 HTH

 Gav…





Re: {BUILDBOT] - Linux 32bit Snapshot (openoffice-linux32-snapshot)

2015-05-06 Thread jan i
On Thursday, May 7, 2015, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

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  Hi All,
 
  Last build for this was way back in October last year:
 
  http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux32-snapshot/builds/19
 
  and failed due to disconnecting with the master, the slave itself
  has been turned off for a while.
 
  I’ve re-enabled the slave VM and started a new build.
 
  It will take several hours to complete so I’ll report back when
  thats complete.
 
  Gav…

 I've noticed as well when it first happened but didn't know what to do
 exactly. Thank you SO much for helping with the buildbots!

 Maybe we can this one figured out without too much effort.



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Re: {BUILDBOT] - Linux 32bit Snapshot (openoffice-linux32-snapshot)

2015-05-06 Thread jan i
On Thursday, May 7, 2015, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

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 On 05/06/2015 06:51 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  Last build for this was way back in October last year:
 
  http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux32-snapshot/builds/19
 
  and failed due to disconnecting with the master, the slave itself
  has been turned off for a while.
 
  I’ve re-enabled the slave VM and started a new build.
 
  It will take several hours to complete so I’ll report back when
  thats complete.
 
  Gav…

 I've noticed as well when it first happened but didn't know what to do
 exactly. Thank you SO much for helping with the buildbots!

 Maybe we can this one figured out without too much effort.


kay@ do you happen to have the config options we use for releases on the
different platforms?

Changing the builddbots to use our release configuration, will help with
the other problems gav sees (I think). More importantly doong sowould mean
we could use the binaries in our releases.

rgds
jan i




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Re: Forum administrators alias / mailing list

2015-05-02 Thread jan i
On Saturday, May 2, 2015, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 Our latest Board report contained an automatically generated section with
 all available mailing lists. One of them, named forum-admin AT
 openoffice.apache.org, is currently unused. It was created as a more
 official replacement for the current e-mail address used by forum
 administrators, aoo.forum.en AT gmail.com.

 What shall we do with it?

 1) We subscribe all forum moderators (I mean: the people who now have
 access to the Gmail address) to it individually, aiming at replacing the
 Gmail address.

 2) We forward it to the Gmail address, thus keeping all current processes
 in place but giving users the reassurance that they are contacting admins
 through a recognizable channel. This is my favorite solution since it won't
 modify any existing workflow.

 3) We simply drop the mailing list and we continue using the Gmail address.

+1

rgds
jan i


 The list is configured to let all messages through, so moderators of the
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Re: CVE-2015-1774: OpenOffice HWP Filter Remote Execution and DoS Vulnerability

2015-04-29 Thread jan i
On 29 April 2015 at 15:07, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 wrote:

  Simon Phipps wrote:
 
  Given this problem is not fixed in the current download, should the
  project
  suspend downloads until it can be addressed?
 
 
  This looks like a very extreme measure to take. The severity of the issue
  would not justify it.


 Can you explain that please? The CVE says Severity: Important and the
 effects are a denial of service or possibly execution of arbitrary code by
 preparing specially crafted documents in the HWP document format.

 The fact we are unaware of current exploits does not mitigate the risk
 arising from distributing the software, and the rarity of the file format
 does not reduce the likelihood of it being used in an exploit. Maybe I am
 missing some of the context from the private security list?

It seems to be an extremely seldom used feature, that makes the exploit
unlikely.

I am with Andrea, stopping downloads would not be right in this case.

rgds
jan I.



 Thanks,

 S.



Moving forward.

2015-04-27 Thread jan i
Hi all.

Board report for Q1 is behind us now and the negative articles (which we
knew would be the
consequence of being honest) are probably also behind us.

Time to think on the near future. Our next report is due in a little more
than 2 Months, I sure hope
we can make that positive and show that we are not dying (albeit having
difficulties).

I see a couple of items that need immediate attention:
- Define (in BZ) which incidents goes into version 4.1.2
- Make a patch, resolving the latest security issue which we published
- Appoint a release manager
- Get the test team ready to test a release candidate
- Prepare a meeting of openOffice projects (independent of their relation
to AOO)

Considering how long we have been talking about 4.1.2, it should be
possible to have the release
out before start of July.

Is anybody volunteering to head one or more of the above items ?

I am exploiting possibilities to fast forward our source code, but this a
not a short term action.

rgds
jan i.


Re: Hacking probability

2015-04-26 Thread jan i
Version 4.1.1 has been out for a while, so updating to that will help you
with a lot a of the issues.

rgds
jan i

On 26 April 2015 at 16:28, Keith Stephens aj...@hotmail.com wrote:

 When is version 4.1.2 due out? I received your warning letter dated April
 25/15. I presently have version 3.1.1 and was unable to understand your
 instructions. Should I just wait for 4.1.2 to solve my dilemma?



Re: Two current articles

2015-04-23 Thread jan i
On 23 April 2015 at 17:52, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:


 I have been sent these URLs for two current articles predicting doom and
 gloom for OpenOffice.  I echo them here for information.

 News articles
 http://www.datamation.com/open-source/is-openoffice-dying.html
 http://www.extremetech.com/computing/203979-is-openoffice-dying


Thanks, being open has it´s drawbacks. The whole community participated in
making the report, something I strongly prefer, and he
used (against advice) not the final version, which is significantly
different, but the version that fitted his message best.

I do not believe being secret about our challenges is the right way, even
though such articles are not pleasant reading. We will always have
people who misuse drafts, but I am not prepared to make reports with only a
little circle of people. We are an open community and I for one
am proud that we dare discuss openly.

The facts of the report are correct, they can be found by studying this ML.

Instead of discussion how unfair life is, let us all, use this as a turning
point, to get the activity levels up where they belong.

I had a lot of positive input at apacheCON Austin, and it is my hope that
some of it turn into realities.

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Re: open source on mobile [WAS: Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-21 Thread jan i
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hm. I think the issue below is serious. And one we can address. But do
 others think that way or believe otherwise?


Not sure how we can really address this, considering our challenges making
a new desktop release.

Rgds
jan i


 louis
  On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:25, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
 
 
  On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:06, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
 
  Or have you not noticed that there are
  precious few native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source
 productivity
  tools to be found ready for the enterprise?
 
  to rephrase: productivity software, especially for enterprise, is
 overwhelmingly dominated by proprietary apps sold by very large
 multinational corporations. The apps available are often free, as in beer
 but not free as in speech. They are not open source. It does not matter if
 the operating system is Android or iOS or whatever, though there are some
 differences, at least in the marginal OSs, which represent a minute
 fraction of the total used.
 
  What this means is that as tablets (however imagined) are brought into
 the enterprise (public or private sector), open source is almost entirely
 absent. Yes, many apps use open source languages but so what? The UX model
 promoted by the smart, mobile device shuts out user intervention, with some
 exception, and there seems to be nothing organised that I can see that’s
 trying to change this arrangement and make it easier to create, distribute
 and even promote open source productivity apps on mobile devices.
 
  Yes, I am aware that tablets are falling out of popularity, but I also
 am aware that the tablet as imagined by Apple and incarnated in the iPad,
 was designed and is still envisioned as a consumer entertainment device,
 not as a work device (though that is changing) and that efforts to
 insinuate the tablet form factor into enterprise, as Microsoft has tried,
 have not succeeded. However, the mobile device is succeeding in areas where
 investment capital is less visible and it is likely to be the preferred
 mode for the billions that will be coming fresh to school, work, and other
 areas where computing devices are de rigeur (now or soon). And these users,
 in Africa, Latin America, and  the rest of the world, rich or poor, will be
 using… proprietary software.
 
  So, although the situation on the desktop (and by this one means also
 the laptop, of course; one refers here to the UX not hardware) is generally
 not bad for open source, that’s not so for the mobile UX. I doubt very much
 that Ubuntu or Moz. will put a dent into hard proprietary wave. What would,
 however, would be mobile apps that can work smoothly with existing desktop
 productivity software installations. Like Corinthia.
 
  best
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Re: Clarification on Translation policy

2015-04-18 Thread jan i
Hi


On 17 April 2015 at 08:38, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote:

  Here is the link to the issue in Bugzilla:
  https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126243

 Other report for Thai translation:
 https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125934


Looking at the comments in the above issues scares me a bit.

Two things:
- I thought 4.1.2 would be used to release non-released languages that was
ready, why wait for 4.2
- We aligned pootle with trunk preparing for 4.2, but honestly have anybody
looked at whether or not these
files are directly useable (or with minor corrections) for 4.1.2.

We do not have a lot of development patches for 4.1.2, so let us at least
release languages that are ready.

Of course this is only my opinion.
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ApacheCON Austin status.

2015-04-18 Thread jan i
Hi all.

ApacheCON Austin is now history, but what a conference.
I actually got to see and touch the original feather.

The keynotes was as usual of high quality, the videos will be uploaded
on youtube. There was especially one keynote, that addressed behavior
on the mailing lists, it talked (in good US terminology) about grouping the
mails in DEFCON1-5 based on the tone used. I admit that I learned a couple
of simple things how not to escalate a situation..

AOO did not have presentations, but I talked with many about AOO.

I had short a talk with Danese Cooper, who gave me some interesting input,
but far too short.

I had a long and interesting talk with Zaheda Bhorat, who filled some of my
gaps around the period of the split and the beginning of OpenOffice. She has
worked with the British Government, who then selected the odf standard. She
had some real interesting user views, about the split between AOO and
TDF/LO.
She had ideas on how the future should look like, and to me, it was very
interesting
to get a  non-technical user opinion.

I also had the opportunity to talk with several board members about our
current status. The current board report triggered an awareness that we
(AOO) need to move faster in changing our situation. I also got a
confirmation,
that such decisions come from the community and not the board, the board
observe and help (if requested).

I had hoped to meet other AOOers, but hope I will see a lot of you in
Budapest
(september 28 - october 1).


rgds
jan I.


Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-18 Thread jan i
On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote:

 2015-04-18 10:08 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 javascript:;:

  On 17/04/2015 Guy Waterval wrote:
 
 
 
 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android
 
  EuroOffice for Android is based on Calligra code.
 
 
  Thanks. Well, then it's clearly not an OpenOffice derivative and my
  question of whether to list it (the Android one, I mean) does not hold
 any
  longer.


  No problem. The purpose of my post was solely informative.


thanks information is always nice to get.

rgds
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Re: Clarification on Translation policy

2015-04-15 Thread jan i
On Wednesday, April 15, 2015, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net
wrote:

 A recent translation task in Bugzilla to ready a language for
 translation was set as resolved not an issue because the help was not
 100% translated. As memory serves me correctly only the UI needed to be
 100% translated to qualify for a release. The help did not need to be.
 Is this still correct?

yes this is still the policy.

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Re: MediaWiki missing new account icon/Link?

2015-04-12 Thread jan i
On Sunday, April 12, 2015, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello all --

 I know we're basically whitelisting both CWiki and MWiki accounts, but
 currently I do not find a Register link on any OpenOffice Wiki
 (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page)
 pages. Was this removed and I didn't notice?

 If some alternate means of account registration is used, shouldn't this
 be mentioned on the main page?

+1 The cwiki is a 2 step, The user creates an account, then the admin
whitelist it.

we used to have a page in wiki.o.a.o (register) that asked you to send an
email to dev@

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Re: Office Application BoF @ OSTC, Beijing 2015/3/28

2015-04-07 Thread jan i
On 5 April 2015 at 17:31, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 Peter Junge wrote:

 it was a pleasure meeting you at the Office Apps BoF in Beijing.
 Although we were a small group we certainly had an interesting
 discussion. Thanks again for having organized the event.


 ...and be sure that I will ask you to consider writing a blog post!
 Really, https://blogs.apache.org/ooo/ needs some new content and I've
 been the only one putting something there lately. If we don't publish new
 content there, we reduce the visibility of our activities. A double post
 English/Chinese (two texts in one post) is of course OK if this is more
 suitable in this case.


the BoF is mentioned in the board report, but if other projects was present
I would like to mention that ?

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Re: [EXT] NetBeans Plugin Promotion and Code Signing

2015-04-07 Thread jan i
On 7 April 2015 at 12:55, Carl Marcum cmar...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I submitted the NetBeans plugin to netbeans.org and I received the
 following email from the NetBeans Community Manager.

 quote
we have noticed your Apache OpenOffice API plugin [1] and because we
 think it could be a useful plugin I would like to ask if you agree to
 promoting your plugin on the main page of the NetBeans Plugin Portal. Do
 you give us a permission to publish your plugin as featured on our site?

 [1] http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/57917

However, in order to promote your plugin you would have to first make
 sure the plugin is signed. [2]

 [2] http://wiki.netbeans.org/DevFaqSignNbm

Let me please know what you think about this opportunity and if you can
 sign the plugin in a timely manner. Thanks for your answer!
 /quote

 The next available 2 week slot is mid-June.

 Is this promotion okay?

I see no reason why it should not be ok. Plugins are part of our eco
system, and promoting a plugin is good promotion.


 If so, would I use my key or does the project have a special key for this?

We do not have a special key, for that purpose.

Congratulations in making a plugin that make the front page, job well done !

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Re: IMPORTANT: Board report second version.

2015-04-06 Thread jan i
Hi

Sorry for top posting.

I have just been made aware, that my understanding of chair role was wrong.
The Chair has the responsibility to make the board report:

The report is mainly about the status of the project, together with any
community and legal issues or other general impediments. If there are
issues requiring board assistance, then make that apparent, separate from
any general project news. You can seek input from your PMC, but it is
mainly your report to the board. The chair does not report to the PMC- the
chair reports to the board (i.e. ultimately to the ASF membership).

Therefore I have updated the report, based on the comments I have received
so far, by making sure it still highlight our problems, but also what we do
to counter them.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+Apr

The report timing is:
April 8, the report must be in the board agenda (I will add it today, to
stop discussion in another ML)
April 13, last chance to update the report in the board agenda (this is
likely to change to 22th)

As the quote above says You can seek input from the PMC; and I would like
to hear comments which I can incorporate in the report.

thanks in advance, and sorry for the confusion.

jan I.


Re: IMPORTANT: Board report second version.

2015-04-06 Thread jan i
On 6 April 2015 at 21:56, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 06/04/2015 jan i wrote:

 I have just been made aware, that my understanding of chair role was
 wrong.
 The Chair has the responsibility to make the board report:


 That is a technicality not worth talking about. In the end, it's important
 to understand what can be improved and improve it by still keeping faithful
 to the facts (and this is all I'm going to say about the many messages
 related to style and tone).

  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+Apr


 This is very good. Really. Not because it contains good words towards me
 (actually, I'll ask to remove that part, see below)! But because it makes
 the effort to consider all the possible audiences that will see this report.

 I fixed some typos at
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/diffpagesbyversion.action?
 pageId=55152414selectedPageVersions=19selectedPageVersions=18
 (nothing to discuss: apart from obvious typos, I replaced 4.1.2 reached a
 beta state with comes closer, since there won't be a beta for a 4.1.x
 release; about FOSDEM 2016 I changed will to may but  simply to say
 that this is work in progress, nothing else).

comes closer can be seen as tomorrow, but you are also right about
beta, so it is changed to 4.1.2 is ready for internal testing
may changed to want to.


  As the quote above says You can seek input from the PMC; and I would
 like
 to hear comments which I can incorporate in the report.


 Well, I'm not dead, so let's replace (it's about me after all, so I feel I
 have a say on this) the epitaph with something more sober like:
   ---
 Andrea Pescetti resigned as Chair after 2 years in order to enable a
 rotating Chair role (i.e., a change every 1-2 years) for OpenOffice.
 Andrea remains active in the project. Jan Iversen was elected as new Chair
 and the transition was smooth.
   ---

updated, but changed  to Andrea remains an active PMC member. You are
more than just active in the project.


 Then: A major issue for AOO is... should be under Issues and not under
 Activity (probably a copy/paste problem).

No error, the board cannot do anything about it, therefore it is not a
board issue. I had to consult on this one, but issues are for things the
board should
take action on.




 Last: I suggest (but this is not crucial) to add a paragraph about support
 since many community members are active mainly in user support and that
 area needs to be monitored closely:
   ---
 The support channels (users mailing list and official forums) are very
 active as usual, thanks to the work of dozens of volunteers.
   ---

added

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Re: Board report proposal, please comment before April 5.

2015-04-05 Thread jan i
On Sunday, April 5, 2015, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 05/04/15 00:37, jan i wrote:

  felt that I as new AOO chair, had formulated the report too negative and
 against the wishes of the community

 I'm going to suggest that said PMC Member was simply shocked at the
 radical difference in reporting styles.

Just to clarify, this did not come from a AOO PMC! It came from a ASF Member
who read the board mailing list. No AOO PMC has at this point in time,
written that I
have acted against the interest of the community.


 You (Jan) do not like negative surprises. Consequently, your reports
 reflect that POV.
 Andrea is more surprise-tolerant, and consequently reports reflect that
 POV.

 Both reports are accurate. The difference is simply one of managerial
 style --- mention potential risks, or only mention documented risks.
 Both styles have their virtues.  Both styles have their vices.  The
 people kicked upstairs can be traumatized by the difference in reporting
 styles, during the transition process.

Agreed, I will however, due to pressure, from non AOO PMC, change the
report, and have a new discussion start on this mailing list. I have asked
the
people in question to come forward in here and explain their opinions.

I apologize to the community, for not having realized that consensus in
AOO,
is not enough, when making a board report.

rgds
jan i






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IMPORTANT: Board report second version.

2015-04-05 Thread jan i
HI.

I am starting a new thread where we can hopefully concentrate on making
a final board report.

Just to sum up, I have replaced the original report in the board agenda,
with
a dummy report. The original board report sits untouched in

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+Apr

Whatever the community finds consensus about should go in there (I will
only have very limited time to make edits, because I am already overloaded),
and tthe 12th (or maybe 22th, if the board meeting is postponed) I will
take
the content reformat it, and submit it for board approval.

For once I can sit back and relax, because I feel the report is a good
compromise,
made by many people.

As a note to the PMC, I will drop the private, unless the PMC ask me to
include
something.

Let us stop bashing each other, and get some work done !!!
rgds
jan I.


Re: Board report proposal, please comment before April 5.

2015-04-05 Thread jan i
On 5 April 2015 at 12:35, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 11:49:44AM +0200, jan i wrote:
 ...
  I have never thought or said this was about my person, it has nothing to
 do
  with my person.
  It has to do with the free will of a community versus discussions on
  private list outside the reach of the community.

 As the AOO VP, it is your responsibility to bring concerns from those
 private lists, back to this public list/community. The Foundation does
 not participate on this mailing list, but it *does* have concerns and
 feedback. Thus, the Foundation appoints VP to act as the go-between,
 and expects the VP to perform that role as a liaison.

  Fact is, that I have received multiple suggestions on the private board
  list to implement some of your wording or similar wording, these mails
 (not
  from you, but a reaction to your mail) ignores the fact, that there was
  consensus in the community to submit the report.

 Incorrect. None of the responses even implied such a problem. Absent
 such, and as *usual* for the board mailing list, it was absolutely
 recognized this was the AOO report submitted by the PMC and its
 community. Some edits/suggestions were made. That is all. Nothing more.

  For reference, your wording was in a mail to a private list, so only the
  PMC has seen the content.

 Yes.

  I have on the private board list rejected to change the wording, without
 a
  public discussion
  on this list.

 That's your prerogative. For myself, I have great concern about how
 you *carried* those concerns back to the community. Your job as VP is
 to bring concerns from the Foundation to the community, and to bring
 community concerns to the Foundation.

 Doing a full-reset on the report isn't constructive.

I simply do not get it !!!

I replaced the original board report in the agenda, with a dummy report, to
prevent
the original report from accidentally go to the board meeting.

The original report still sits untouched in our cwiki, where it belongs as
long as
we discuss it.

Please do not escalate this into something it is not. Replacing the report
in the
board agenda is a protective action, where a full-reset would be a highly
offensive
action, which I have NOT done, nor had intention of doing.

rgds
jan i.


   Please lets not over-react to what was just some helpful notes.
 
  I actually took your mail positively, and based on your mail started a
  discussion with the PMC, if we should change the wording. I would have
  wished you had participated in the
  original public discussion.

 The Foundation does not participate on all dev@ lists. You should
 expect feedback from all corners, and from people who do not
 participate here. Again: your job is to bring *that* feedback back
 here for further contemplation.

 It is not reasonable to expect all Directors and ASF Members and
 others to participate here, to formulate your report to the Board. But
 you *should* expect those others to respond to a submitted report.
 They will see it when the report gets submitted, and will review it at
 that time.

  But the mails that followed suggesting that I should change the report
 are
  an, to me, unacceptable attempt to bypass the community.

 Nobody suggested you change it unilaterally. Stop mischaracterizing
 the suggestions. Again, as VP your job is to bring those concerns,
 suggestions, and edits to the community if you feel that is proper.

 Nobody told you what to do. You made the choices on pulling the
 report, and (mis)characterizing the feedback.

  Thanks for presenting your very relavant views in public, and let us get
  consensus on a text
  acceptable both to this community and the readers of the board list.

 You do not have to do anything for the readers of the board list. That
 is your mistake. And it was only a few people. The board list has over
 a hundred people on it.

 Your report needs to come from the community, and be reported to the
 Board. That is quite simple. The Board accepts 99% of the reports
 submitted. There are some that get rejected (like the one you've left
 in the agenda right now). But there are also MANY that receive
 feedback and get updated before the Board reviews/discusses them. So.
 Be like those other folks. Take some feedback. Discuss it. Update.

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