Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
Juergen Schmidt wrote: Am Donnerstag, 17. April 2014 um 01:04 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: It seems rather serious. I expect that ordinary private users are not affected so much, but corporate or institutional users may be. this is very speculative and I am not aware of any reported problem until now. Indeed this is just my expectation. I would like to ask the mailing lists for some dedicated testing and evaluation, as I wrote. But I can't even give users the link since our CI server is broken and nobody can download RC3 at the moment. I described the four lost features from Mozilla we identified so far (this one and the three from the release notes) and asked on the mailing lists in Italian if somebody is using them. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-utenti-it/201404.mbox/%3C534F8104.20408%40apache.org%3E (why the Italian lists? because digital signatures in OpenOffice are a topic that I've seen discussed there over the years) Does it make sense to send a warning to the international users list too? Do we really want stop the current 4.1 release that is probably good for 95% of our users? We are estimating with no knowledge. A quick e-mail discussion on the users list would give us better information on whether we are dropping something critical for users or not. Then I perfectly understand that we have to deliver 4.1.0 in a reasonable timeframe and that we have no immediate solution for this removed feature. Ideally, we should at least conclude that: 1) the Windows version is completely unaffected (best way: ask people who rely on these features to test with the Beta or RC3) 2) the feature is not seen as critical in other environments (it isn't for me, it isn't for you; but we may be missing some important use cases). I would go for the release, fix it and release a 4.1.1 when a fix is available. If we are committed to fix it in 4.1.1 this is important to say too. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:40:25 +0200 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Juergen Schmidt wrote: Am Donnerstag, 17. April 2014 um 01:04 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: It seems rather serious. I expect that ordinary private users are not affected so much, but corporate or institutional users may be. this is very speculative and I am not aware of any reported problem until now. Indeed this is just my expectation. I would like to ask the mailing lists for some dedicated testing and evaluation, as I wrote. But I can't even give users the link since our CI server is broken and nobody can download RC3 at the moment. I described the four lost features from Mozilla we identified so far (this one and the three from the release notes) and asked on the mailing lists in Italian if somebody is using them. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-utenti-it/201404.mbox/%3C534F8104.20408%40apache.org%3E (why the Italian lists? because digital signatures in OpenOffice are a topic that I've seen discussed there over the years) Does it make sense to send a warning to the international users list too? Do we really want stop the current 4.1 release that is probably good for 95% of our users? We are estimating with no knowledge. A quick e-mail discussion on the users list would give us better information on whether we are dropping something critical for users or not. Then I perfectly understand that we have to deliver 4.1.0 in a reasonable timeframe and that we have no immediate solution for this removed feature. Ideally, we should at least conclude that: 1) the Windows version is completely unaffected (best way: ask people who rely on these features to test with the Beta or RC3) 2) the feature is not seen as critical in other environments (it isn't for me, it isn't for you; but we may be missing some important use cases). I would go for the release, fix it and release a 4.1.1 when a fix is available. If we are committed to fix it in 4.1.1 this is important to say too. Regards, Andrea. Another possibility: I am not au fait with Digital Signatures so may be utterly off target Would it be possible to (quickly) develop an extension that provided the Digital Signature functionality? Then release of OO 4.1 could continue as planned, with the Digital Signature functionality available by such an add-on? -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
On 4/17/14 9:50 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:40:25 +0200 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Juergen Schmidt wrote: Am Donnerstag, 17. April 2014 um 01:04 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: It seems rather serious. I expect that ordinary private users are not affected so much, but corporate or institutional users may be. this is very speculative and I am not aware of any reported problem until now. Indeed this is just my expectation. I would like to ask the mailing lists for some dedicated testing and evaluation, as I wrote. But I can't even give users the link since our CI server is broken and nobody can download RC3 at the moment. I described the four lost features from Mozilla we identified so far (this one and the three from the release notes) and asked on the mailing lists in Italian if somebody is using them. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-utenti-it/201404.mbox/%3C534F8104.20408%40apache.org%3E (why the Italian lists? because digital signatures in OpenOffice are a topic that I've seen discussed there over the years) Does it make sense to send a warning to the international users list too? Do we really want stop the current 4.1 release that is probably good for 95% of our users? We are estimating with no knowledge. A quick e-mail discussion on the users list would give us better information on whether we are dropping something critical for users or not. Then I perfectly understand that we have to deliver 4.1.0 in a reasonable timeframe and that we have no immediate solution for this removed feature. Ideally, we should at least conclude that: 1) the Windows version is completely unaffected (best way: ask people who rely on these features to test with the Beta or RC3) 2) the feature is not seen as critical in other environments (it isn't for me, it isn't for you; but we may be missing some important use cases). I would go for the release, fix it and release a 4.1.1 when a fix is available. If we are committed to fix it in 4.1.1 this is important to say too. Regards, Andrea. Another possibility: I am not au fait with Digital Signatures so may be utterly off target Would it be possible to (quickly) develop an extension that provided the Digital Signature functionality? Then release of OO 4.1 could continue as planned, with the Digital Signature functionality available by such an add-on? probably not easy ;-) We should discuss the this feature in a separate thread because I see many open question about it in general... But the good news is that it still works on Windows and I am very confident that it works completely. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
On 4/15/14 4:14 PM, imacat wrote: Hi, On 2014/04/14 16:21, Jürgen Schmidt said: the RC3 build (rev. 1586584) is uploading and most of the files are already available. Only 32 bit language packs for Linux are currently missing. I plan to start a vote later today but would like to invite everybody to test the new build already ... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds I found that I cannot digitally sign my documents with 4.1 as 4.0 anymore. Is it a planned change, or a bug? can you provide more information how exactly you did it in 4.0? I am not very familiar with document signing and haven't signed a document before. The information I found is not clear to me and the behaviour is always the same in 4.0, 4.0.1 and 4.1 at least on Mac. I have a self signed cert created ... Does anybody know more about document signing and how it is intended to work? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
On 4/16/14 3:28 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/15/14 4:14 PM, imacat wrote: Hi, On 2014/04/14 16:21, Jürgen Schmidt said: the RC3 build (rev. 1586584) is uploading and most of the files are already available. Only 32 bit language packs for Linux are currently missing. I plan to start a vote later today but would like to invite everybody to test the new build already ... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds I found that I cannot digitally sign my documents with 4.1 as 4.0 anymore. Is it a planned change, or a bug? can you provide more information how exactly you did it in 4.0? I am not very familiar with document signing and haven't signed a document before. The information I found is not clear to me and the behaviour is always the same in 4.0, 4.0.1 and 4.1 at least on Mac. I have a self signed cert created ... Does anybody know more about document signing and how it is intended to work? Ok I did some Easter learning and I can confirm that this feature is broken (on Mac and Linux) because of the removal of the mozilla libraries. On Windows it is still working because here the Windows certificate store is already used. It's not nice and we have to fix this asap but that will take time and is not possible for AOO 4.1. Nevertheless would I like to propose to continue with the AOO 4.1 release. I believe to remember that we proposed and agreed on the removal of the mozilla libraries to get rid of this ugly old stuff. Users who require this features on Mac and Linux have to wait for the next release. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
On 2014/04/16 21:28, Jürgen Schmidt said: On 4/15/14 4:14 PM, imacat wrote: On 2014/04/14 16:21, Jürgen Schmidt said: the RC3 build (rev. 1586584) is uploading and most of the files are already available. Only 32 bit language packs for Linux are currently missing. I plan to start a vote later today but would like to invite everybody to test the new build already ... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds I found that I cannot digitally sign my documents with 4.1 as 4.0 anymore. Is it a planned change, or a bug? can you provide more information how exactly you did it in 4.0? I am not very familiar with document signing and haven't signed a document before. The information I found is not clear to me and the behaviour is always the same in 4.0, 4.0.1 and 4.1 at least on Mac. I have a self signed cert created ... On Linux, OpenOffice document signature is done via the Mozilla firefox certificate store. On Windows, it is done via the Windows certificate store. I suppose the procedure is as follows: 1. Get/create a personal X.509 key/certificate with e-mail as the common name. Self-signed personal key/certificates should be OK. 2. Import it into the Mozilla firefox certificate store or Windows certificate store. 3. Close OpenOffice, including the quick run icon, if it is currently running. Restart it. 4. Save some document with something. 5. Sign the document from [File]=[Digital Signature]. Before 4.0, the personal key/certificate in the Mozilla certificate store will be shown in [File]=[Digital Signature]. On 4.1, this is missing. Digital signature is an important part to OpenOffice macro security and document integrity. If this is unintended, we will have to do something to fix it. Does anybody know more about document signing and how it is intended to work? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:31 AM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2014/04/16 21:28, Jürgen Schmidt said: On 4/15/14 4:14 PM, imacat wrote: On 2014/04/14 16:21, Jürgen Schmidt said: the RC3 build (rev. 1586584) is uploading and most of the files are already available. Only 32 bit language packs for Linux are currently missing. I plan to start a vote later today but would like to invite everybody to test the new build already ... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds I found that I cannot digitally sign my documents with 4.1 as 4.0 anymore. Is it a planned change, or a bug? can you provide more information how exactly you did it in 4.0? I am not very familiar with document signing and haven't signed a document before. The information I found is not clear to me and the behaviour is always the same in 4.0, 4.0.1 and 4.1 at least on Mac. I have a self signed cert created ... On Linux, OpenOffice document signature is done via the Mozilla firefox certificate store. On Windows, it is done via the Windows certificate store. I suppose the procedure is as follows: 1. Get/create a personal X.509 key/certificate with e-mail as the common name. Self-signed personal key/certificates should be OK. 2. Import it into the Mozilla firefox certificate store or Windows certificate store. 3. Close OpenOffice, including the quick run icon, if it is currently running. Restart it. 4. Save some document with something. 5. Sign the document from [File]=[Digital Signature]. Before 4.0, the personal key/certificate in the Mozilla certificate store will be shown in [File]=[Digital Signature]. On 4.1, this is missing. Digital signature is an important part to OpenOffice macro security and document integrity. If this is unintended, we will have to do something to fix it. So what happens to a document that was signed with AOO 4.0.1? Can you read it in AOO 4.1? Can you verify the signature? Same for a signed macro? I think it is important to know whether AOO 4.1 fails safe with signed macros if it is unable to verify the signature. If a user has set security to allow only execution of signed macros and AOO 4.1 permits them to be executed without being able to verify the signature, then we have a much more serious problem. I'm not saying that this problem exists, but we should check carefully to make sure it is not a problem. -Rob Does anybody know more about document signing and how it is intended to work? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
On 2014/04/16 23:58, Rob Weir said: On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:31 AM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2014/04/16 21:28, Jürgen Schmidt said: On 4/15/14 4:14 PM, imacat wrote: On 2014/04/14 16:21, Jürgen Schmidt said: the RC3 build (rev. 1586584) is uploading and most of the files are already available. Only 32 bit language packs for Linux are currently missing. I plan to start a vote later today but would like to invite everybody to test the new build already ... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds I found that I cannot digitally sign my documents with 4.1 as 4.0 anymore. Is it a planned change, or a bug? can you provide more information how exactly you did it in 4.0? I am not very familiar with document signing and haven't signed a document before. The information I found is not clear to me and the behaviour is always the same in 4.0, 4.0.1 and 4.1 at least on Mac. I have a self signed cert created ... On Linux, OpenOffice document signature is done via the Mozilla firefox certificate store. On Windows, it is done via the Windows certificate store. I suppose the procedure is as follows: 1. Get/create a personal X.509 key/certificate with e-mail as the common name. Self-signed personal key/certificates should be OK. 2. Import it into the Mozilla firefox certificate store or Windows certificate store. 3. Close OpenOffice, including the quick run icon, if it is currently running. Restart it. 4. Save some document with something. 5. Sign the document from [File]=[Digital Signature]. Before 4.0, the personal key/certificate in the Mozilla certificate store will be shown in [File]=[Digital Signature]. On 4.1, this is missing. Digital signature is an important part to OpenOffice macro security and document integrity. If this is unintended, we will have to do something to fix it. So what happens to a document that was signed with AOO 4.0.1? Can you read it in AOO 4.1? Can you verify the signature? Same for a signed macro? I understand Juergen's point on the removal of Mozilla library. But I'm not sure if we can take this lightly. Documents that were digitally signed can still be opened and edited, but their signatures cannot be verified, and they cannot be signed again once they are modified. Document macros that were digitally signed can still work if their signers were confirmed before. But these macros will not work for the first time on newer installations unless their users change their security method. Newer document macros cannot be signed anymore, and the users have to change their security method. I do not know if this is serious or not. Sorry I found this problem too late. I think it is important to know whether AOO 4.1 fails safe with signed macros if it is unable to verify the signature. If a user has set security to allow only execution of signed macros and AOO 4.1 permits them to be executed without being able to verify the signature, then we have a much more serious problem. I'm not saying that this problem exists, but we should check carefully to make sure it is not a problem. -Rob Does anybody know more about document signing and how it is intended to work? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
Am Mittwoch, 16. April 2014 um 19:03 schrieb imacat: On 2014/04/16 23:58, Rob Weir said: On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:31 AM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2014/04/16 21:28, Jürgen Schmidt said: On 4/15/14 4:14 PM, imacat wrote: On 2014/04/14 16:21, Jürgen Schmidt said: the RC3 build (rev. 1586584) is uploading and most of the files are already available. Only 32 bit language packs for Linux are currently missing. I plan to start a vote later today but would like to invite everybody to test the new build already ... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds I found that I cannot digitally sign my documents with 4.1 as 4.0 anymore. Is it a planned change, or a bug? can you provide more information how exactly you did it in 4.0? I am not very familiar with document signing and haven't signed a document before. The information I found is not clear to me and the behaviour is always the same in 4.0, 4.0.1 and 4.1 at least on Mac. I have a self signed cert created ... On Linux, OpenOffice document signature is done via the Mozilla firefox certificate store. On Windows, it is done via the Windows certificate store. I suppose the procedure is as follows: 1. Get/create a personal X.509 key/certificate with e-mail as the common name. Self-signed personal key/certificates should be OK. 2. Import it into the Mozilla firefox certificate store or Windows certificate store. 3. Close OpenOffice, including the quick run icon, if it is currently running. Restart it. 4. Save some document with something. 5. Sign the document from [File]=[Digital Signature]. Before 4.0, the personal key/certificate in the Mozilla certificate store will be shown in [File]=[Digital Signature]. On 4.1, this is missing. Digital signature is an important part to OpenOffice macro security and document integrity. If this is unintended, we will have to do something to fix it. So what happens to a document that was signed with AOO 4.0.1? Can you read it in AOO 4.1? Can you verify the signature? Same for a signed macro? I understand Juergen's point on the removal of Mozilla library. But I'm not sure if we can take this lightly. Documents that were digitally signed can still be opened and edited, but their signatures cannot be verified, and they cannot be signed again once they are modified. Document macros that were digitally signed can still work if their signers were confirmed before. But these macros will not work for the first time on newer installations unless their users change their security method. Newer document macros cannot be signed anymore, and the users have to change their security method. I do not know if this is serious or not. Sorry I found this problem too late. well it is indeed unfortunately but shows also that this feature is not very often used. It seems at least so. For me it is still confusing, I don't see my certificates under trusted certs in the macro security dialog and have no clue how or where I can add trusted certs. But I can sign documents under Windows with a self signed cert. If the cert is added as trusted root cert it can be validated. I will do more checks on Linux and Mac with an older version but have this really worked before? Juergen I think it is important to know whether AOO 4.1 fails safe with signed macros if it is unable to verify the signature. If a user has set security to allow only execution of signed macros and AOO 4.1 permits them to be executed without being able to verify the signature, then we have a much more serious problem. I'm not saying that this problem exists, but we should check carefully to make sure it is not a problem. -Rob Does anybody know more about document signing and how it is intended to work? Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*'
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
Juergen Schmidt wrote: Am Mittwoch, 16. April 2014 um 19:03 schrieb imacat: Sorry I found this problem too late. well it is indeed unfortunately but shows also that this feature is not very often used. It seems at least so. It seems rather serious. I expect that ordinary private users are not affected so much, but corporate or institutional users may be. One thing we could do is to call for specific testing on mailing lists, so that these power users can compare 4.0.1 and 4.1.0-RC3 in their concrete experience on Linux/Mac. But we'll need the snapshots to be reachable again (due to the already discussed infra problems) for this. It's true that removal of Mozilla libraries was discussed and approved, but the side effects at the time were believed to be almost irrelevant with respect to this newly found one. And thanks Imacat for reporting this... better late than after release! Shall we capture it in Bugzilla with your instructions? Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: RC3 available
On 2014/04/17 07:04, Andrea Pescetti said: Juergen Schmidt wrote: Am Mittwoch, 16. April 2014 um 19:03 schrieb imacat: Sorry I found this problem too late. well it is indeed unfortunately but shows also that this feature is not very often used. It seems at least so. It seems rather serious. I expect that ordinary private users are not affected so much, but corporate or institutional users may be. One thing we could do is to call for specific testing on mailing lists, so that these power users can compare 4.0.1 and 4.1.0-RC3 in their concrete experience on Linux/Mac. But we'll need the snapshots to be reachable again (due to the already discussed infra problems) for this. It's true that removal of Mozilla libraries was discussed and approved, but the side effects at the time were believed to be almost irrelevant with respect to this newly found one. And thanks Imacat for reporting this... better late than after release! Shall we capture it in Bugzilla with your instructions? Sure! I cannot log on to bugzilla now, still investigating. P.S. To sign the macros: Start the Basic IDE, navigate to the document macro, and select [File]-[Digital signature]. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[RELEASE]: RC3 available
Hi, the RC3 build (rev. 1586584) is uploading and most of the files are already available. Only 32 bit language packs for Linux are currently missing. I plan to start a vote later today but would like to invite everybody to test the new build already ... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
