Re: desktop publishing
Hi Fernand, On 22.11.2012 18:38, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Armin , Hi Fernand, On 15.11.2012 09:34, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Alexandro , ---snip--- Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000 full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...) Our Editors places lowres images embedded in there documents, a final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and Adobe to make our PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect. We only needs a payed Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap Which export are you talking about? To ODF (save) or PDF (or something else)...? This would be very interesting to me :-) when making a PDF, save as or something else there is no difference... sinds 3.3 SVG are plased in the PDF as bitmaps there is a well documented LO issue https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42092 42092. I do not know for LO, but for AOO since 3.4 we have that new SVG import I wrote which luckily will be in LO soon (see https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/good_news_libreoffice_is_integrating). It's a high-quality SVG import and the original SVGs are saved in ODF. I just tried with Tux.svg and AOO3.4 (and 3.4.1) export as vector data to PDF. It also gets printed that way. One caveat here: Currently the SVGs are converted to SVM (StarViewMetafile), same as when using 'convert to metafile' in the context menu on the SVG graphic object in edit view. This may loose some quality in some cases, I'm working on changing this to real B2DPrinitives usages in the PDF exporter. I'm also working on things like having any graphic (including SVG) as fill style for graphic objects, also with full export quality. I'll be on Fosdem, I can show you this things in the current AOO version if you like... there is also work around - open the SVG in Draw and then copy to Writer (gives a internall LO graphic) - When xeporting to a specific PDF format (Tagged or PDF A/1a then we have a high resolution bitmap who can replace the vector data greetz Fernand (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...) Greetz Fernand ---snip--- Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: desktop publishing
Juergen, Maybe 1 machine has a MS office package for the unsalvable problems the 99 others have Windows with LO ,OO, Thunderbird, Inkscape, Gimp, Image Magick and a free Adobe PDF reader We can read and write MS text and spreadsheets, in the editing world PDF is the exchange format by exelence. (For that reason PDF must been a graphic format in LO and LO :-) Maybe you comes to Fosdem in Brussels, we would be happy to invite you to show on the work floor how is works here Greetz Fernand Hi Fernand, I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats. Thanks for sharing Juergen Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie: Alexandro , On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro ricaza1...@hotmail.com.auwrote: hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office. Pity.. Thanks Phil Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000 full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...) Our Editors places lowres images embedded in there documents, a final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and Adobe to make our PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect. We only needs a payed Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...) Greetz Fernand desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm. There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and use of vectorial forms. With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
Re: desktop publishing
Hi Phil, It is not completely impossible that an extension could be added to AOO to read and write Publisher files. It just takes one or two Java programmers with the time and interest. See [1] for where the effort could start. On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Juergen, Maybe 1 machine has a MS office package for the unsalvable problems the 99 others have Windows with LO ,OO, Thunderbird, Inkscape, Gimp, Image Magick and a free Adobe PDF reader We can read and write MS text and spreadsheets, in the editing world PDF is the exchange format by exelence. (For that reason PDF must been a graphic format in LO and LO :-) It would great if PDF could be imported into any of Presenter, Writer and Draw. Perhaps this can be a goal of the new Drawing work. BTW - Postscript lives inside the PDF file format all of the drawing primitives are very close to postscript and operate the same way. SVG is also a descendent of Postscript. (as Postscript is a descendent of Xerox Interpress plus III) But I'm biased and have built a publishing chain based on applications producing postscript pages with special comments, shell scripts to collate into postscript documents, conversion to PDF w/ghostscript or editable PPTX using Java and Apache POI. We've also done PDF into editable shapes and text in PPTX using Apache PDFBox and Apache POI. Should we make the effort to go to ODF we will likely be using ODFToolkit. To close the loop if you want to process Publisher files and help with understanding the files format Apache POI is a good place. [1] Regards, Dave [1] http://poi.apache.org/hpbf/index.html Maybe you comes to Fosdem in Brussels, we would be happy to invite you to show on the work floor how is works here Greetz Fernand Hi Fernand, I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats. Thanks for sharing Juergen Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie: Alexandro , On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro ricaza1...@hotmail.com.auwrote: hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office. Pity.. Thanks Phil Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000 full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...) Our Editors places lowres images embedded in there documents, a final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and Adobe to make our PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect. We only needs a payed Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...) Greetz Fernand desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm. There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and use of vectorial forms. With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
Re: desktop publishing
Dave , Hi Phil, It is not completely impossible that an extension could be added to AOO to read and write Publisher files. It just takes one or two Java programmers with the time and interest. See [1] for where the effort could start. On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Juergen, Maybe 1 machine has a MS office package for the unsalvable problems the 99 others have Windows with LO ,OO, Thunderbird, Inkscape, Gimp, Image Magick and a free Adobe PDF reader We can read and write MS text and spreadsheets, in the editing world PDF is the exchange format by exelence. (For that reason PDF must been a graphic format in LO and LO :-) It would great if PDF could be imported into any of Presenter, Writer and Draw. Perhaps this can be a goal of the new Drawing work. BTW - Postscript lives inside the PDF file format all of the drawing primitives are very close to postscript and operate the same way SVG is also a descendent of Postscript. (as Postscript is a descendent of Xerox Interpress plus III) in the long terme SVG can/sould be a full alternative for PDF ? now we open PDF files in Inkscape and save them as SVG, simpel PDF's survive this action and can been placed as SVG in all OO docs But I'm biased and have built a publishing chain based on applications producing postscript pages with special comments, shell scripts to collate into postscript documents, conversion to PDF w/ghostscript or editable PPTX using Java and Apache POI. We've also done PDF into editable shapes and text in PPTX using Apache PDFBox and Apache POI. Should we make the effort to go to ODF we will likely be using ODFToolkit. To close the loop if you want to process Publisher files and help with understanding the files format Apache POI is a good place. [1] Regards, Dave [1] http://poi.apache.org/hpbf/index.html Maybe you comes to Fosdem in Brussels, we would be happy to invite you to show on the work floor how is works here Greetz Fernand Hi Fernand, I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats. Thanks for sharing Juergen Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie: Alexandro , On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro ricaza1...@hotmail.com.auwrote: hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office. Pity.. Thanks Phil Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000 full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...) Our Editors places lowres images embedded in there documents, a final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and Adobe to make our PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect. We only needs a payed Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...) Greetz Fernand desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm. There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and use of vectorial forms. With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
Re: desktop publishing
Armin , Hi Fernand, On 15.11.2012 09:34, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Alexandro , ---snip--- Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000 full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...) Our Editors places lowres images embedded in there documents, a final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and Adobe to make our PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect. We only needs a payed Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap Which export are you talking about? To ODF (save) or PDF (or something else)...? This would be very interesting to me :-) when making a PDF, save as or something else there is no difference... sinds 3.3 SVG are plased in the PDF as bitmaps there is a well documented LO issue https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42092 42092. there is also work around - open the SVG in Draw and then copy to Writer (gives a internall LO graphic) - When xeporting to a specific PDF format (Tagged or PDF A/1a then we have a high resolution bitmap who can replace the vector data greetz Fernand (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...) Greetz Fernand ---snip--- Sincerely, Armin -- ALG
Re: desktop publishing
Alexandro , On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro ricaza1...@hotmail.com.auwrote: hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office. Pity.. Thanks Phil Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000 full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...) Our Editors places lowres images embedded in there documents, a final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and Adobe to make our PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect. We only needs a payed Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...) Greetz Fernand desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm. There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and use of vectorial forms. With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
Re: desktop publishing
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Phillip Zadro ricaza1...@hotmail.com.auwrote: hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop publisher? You can use Draw as a DTP application without much problem, combined with the OpenClipart extension it's quite useful, not at the level of Scribus but useful nonetheless There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office. Pity.. I'm afraid you'll have to blame Microsoft for that. No-one else uses or exports or imports .pub files for a number of good reasons: First MS don't tell anyone the specification of the file format so it would have to be back engineered. Secondly and more importantly nobody wants to use it. It's a rubbish file format for a purpose that is covered by far better formats that have an open specification. Publishers and printers use it under protest and some (read most) refuse to accept anything in .pub format. Think about it, a printer/publisher has to pay for an instance of MS Publisher if they are going to work with MS Publisher files, because no other progamme reads the format, whereas there a numerous programmes that work with PDF and the reader is free to download and there are any number of programmes that will do this. OpenOffice will edit them with the right extension. The likliehood is that the projects, both Libre and AOO will continue to develop the PDF capabilities of OO to produce high quality publishable documents, but I doubt that there is the necessity or in fact the will to attempt to back engineer a deadend format. If Publisher suits you then stick with it, but there's a reason the professionals use anything but. Cheers GL Thanks Phil
Re: desktop publishing
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro ricaza1...@hotmail.com.auwrote: hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office. Pity.. Thanks Phil Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm. There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and use of vectorial forms. With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered. -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org
