Re: Editing Download page

[Marcus]

It seems I had a problem with receiving mails from MLs. E.g., I've seen 
Andrea's mail only in the archives. I'll work them in.


Anybody else? If not, then I would publish in a few hours what we have now.

Marcus



Am 07/24/2016 11:23 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Am 07/24/2016 06:25 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:

Marcus,

A little correction here and there ...


-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
My technical additions need a bit more time but in the meantime here are
my text suggestions:

Box headline:
"Developers Needed"

Box text:
"Are you a software developer with C++ skills or have you deeper
knowledge about building software? Do you like to work in open source
projects and you are familar with the English language? Then come to us
and help Apache OpenOffice to grow."

[orcmid]

s/you are familiar/are you familiar/

or maybe better, "are you proficient in English?

s/Then come/Come/

s/to grow/expand/



Box mouse-over:
"The Apache OpenOffice project need software developers to grow its
base"

[orcmid]

s/need/needs/

Or how about,

"The Apache OpenOffice project seeks developers to take part in
expanding its activities."


OK, sounds better. I've also changed the other things.


and I would like to see more discussion too.


Then I'll keep the things in staging. When someone thinks it's ready,
then just publish it in the CMS.


Not perfect but a start - for discussion and improvement.


For further ideas you just need to change the "orange" properties in
"w.oo.o/dl/msg_prop_l10n_en.js". Or I can do it tomorrow


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Re: Editing Download page

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 7/24/2016 1:59 PM, JZA wrote:

I would also suggest to revisit the intro programs for development which
were put on hold indefinetly and at the momento there is really no good way
to 'learn' the AOO sourcecode.


Even if we were hiring full time programmers, AOO is too big for 
learning the AOO source code to be a reasonable objective for people new 
to it.


Recruits are just going to have to live with reading and studying the 
area around a particular issue.


Patricia

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Re: Editing Download page

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On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 1:59 PM, JZA  wrote:

> I would also suggest to revisit the intro programs for development which
> were put on hold indefinetly and at the momento there is really no good way
> to 'learn' the AOO sourcecode.
>

"Intro" programs? What are these?​

​I don't think I've seen reference to this before.
​

> Most of the wiki Dev documentation might also need some review. Specially
> key pages like conventions, and recent changes.
>

​Yes. We will get to this soon.
​


> Are we still using cws?
>

​No, we are not. Mostly all development is now done in trunk, or rarely, in
specialized branches.
​


>
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
>
> > On 24/07/2016 Marcus wrote:
> >
> >> now it's here:
> >> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/index.html
> >>
> >
> > Looks good to me (text and layout). I'd simply replace the title with
> > "Help wanted" for consistency with the ASF-wide site that Dennis
> mentioned
> > (and also because we are already using the box for recruiting not only
> > developers, so "Developers needed" is incomplete).
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: Editing Download page

[Marcus]

Am 07/24/2016 06:25 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:

Marcus,

A little correction here and there ...


-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
My technical additions need a bit more time but in the meantime here are
my text suggestions:

Box headline:
"Developers Needed"

Box text:
"Are you a software developer with C++ skills or have you deeper
knowledge about building software? Do you like to work in open source
projects and you are familar with the English language? Then come to us
and help Apache OpenOffice to grow."

[orcmid]

s/you are familiar/are you familiar/

or maybe better, "are you proficient in English?

s/Then come/Come/

s/to grow/expand/



Box mouse-over:
"The Apache OpenOffice project need software developers to grow its
base"

[orcmid]

s/need/needs/

Or how about,

  "The Apache OpenOffice project seeks developers to take part in expanding its 
activities."


OK, sounds better. I've also changed the other things.


and I would like to see more discussion too.


Then I'll keep the things in staging. When someone thinks it's ready, 
then just publish it in the CMS.



Not perfect but a start - for discussion and improvement.


For further ideas you just need to change the "orange" properties in 
"w.oo.o/dl/msg_prop_l10n_en.js". Or I can do it tomorrow


Marcus


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Re: Editing Download page

[JZA]

I would also suggest to revisit the intro programs for development which
were put on hold indefinetly and at the momento there is really no good way
to 'learn' the AOO sourcecode.
Most of the wiki Dev documentation might also need some review. Specially
key pages like conventions, and recent changes.
Are we still using cws?

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
wrote:

> On 24/07/2016 Marcus wrote:
>
>> now it's here:
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/index.html
>>
>
> Looks good to me (text and layout). I'd simply replace the title with
> "Help wanted" for consistency with the ASF-wide site that Dennis mentioned
> (and also because we are already using the box for recruiting not only
> developers, so "Developers needed" is incomplete).
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
>
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Re: Editing Download page

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 24/07/2016 Marcus wrote:

now it's here:
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/index.html


Looks good to me (text and layout). I'd simply replace the title with 
"Help wanted" for consistency with the ASF-wide site that Dennis 
mentioned (and also because we are already using the box for recruiting 
not only developers, so "Developers needed" is incomplete).


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Editing Download page

[Marcus]

Am 07/24/2016 06:25 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:

Marcus,

A little correction here and there ...


-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
My technical additions need a bit more time but in the meantime here are
my text suggestions:

Box headline:
"Developers Needed"

Box text:
"Are you a software developer with C++ skills or have you deeper
knowledge about building software? Do you like to work in open source
projects and you are familar with the English language? Then come to us
and help Apache OpenOffice to grow."

[orcmid]

s/you are familiar/are you familiar/

or maybe better, "are you proficient in English?

s/Then come/Come/

s/to grow/expand/



Box mouse-over:
"The Apache OpenOffice project need software developers to grow its
base"

[orcmid]

s/need/needs/

Or how about,

  "The Apache OpenOffice project seeks developers to take part in expanding its 
activities."


OK, sounds better. I'vr also changed the other things.


and I would like to see more discussion too.


Then I'll keep the things in staging. When someone thinks it's ready, 
then just publish it in the CMS.



Not perfect but a start - for discussion and improvement.


For further ideas you just need to change the "orange" properties in 
"w.oo.o/dl/msg_prop_l10n_en.js". Or I can do it tomorrow.


Marcus


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RE: Editing Download page

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Marcus,

A little correction here and there ...

> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
> My technical additions need a bit more time but in the meantime here are
> my text suggestions:
> 
> Box headline:
> "Developers Needed"
> 
> Box text:
> "Are you a software developer with C++ skills or have you deeper
> knowledge about building software? Do you like to work in open source
> projects and you are familar with the English language? Then come to us
> and help Apache OpenOffice to grow."
[orcmid] 

s/you are familiar/are you familiar/

or maybe better, "are you proficient in English?

s/Then come/Come/

s/to grow/expand/

> 
> Box mouse-over:
> "The Apache OpenOffice project need software developers to grow its
> base"
[orcmid] 

s/need/needs/

Or how about,

 "The Apache OpenOffice project seeks developers to take part in expanding its 
activities."

and I would like to see more discussion too.


> 
> Not perfect but a start - for discussion and improvement.
> 
> Marcus
> 
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RE: Editing Download page

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 19:18
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Editing Download page
> 
> Marcus:
> 
> Please add "Experienced lead technical writers" to the requested skills.
> See the "Is it time to shut down this effort?" thread.
[orcmid] 

I don't think that will hurt.  I think it misses the point.

What we need most of all are users of the product who write.  Drawing on 
experience in technical writing of user-facing materials is a plus.

Technical writers need content or sources to work with.  They also need a sense 
of what is relevant to whom where.

For Apache OpenOffice, I think that takes some devotion and interest in the 
product.  Resume/experience building is all right but not enough by itself.  
And I think we have been seeing that in some cases.

I am not certain what we can expect of a lead technical writer in our 
situation.  It might be to tease out organization of the wiki content and 
addressing different important cases (getting started, user guides, reference 
manuals, tutorial materials, examples, etc.)  We do need some coherence on what 
it is we are writing, and for whom.

 - Dennis


> 
> On 7/22/2016 1:14 PM, Marcus wrote:
> > Am 07/22/2016 08:35 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
> >> On 7/22/2016 11:05 AM, Marcus wrote:
> >>> Am 07/22/2016 07:45 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
> >>>> I am trying to edit www.openoffice.org/download/ to add a box for
> >>>> recruiting developers. It seems to be a rather complicated page,
> with
> >>>> internationalization.
> >>>
> >>> yes, to give the L10n groups the possibility to translate their
> >>> webpages. But only the strings. Everything else should be the same
> look
> >>> & feel. Therefore the heavy use of scripting.
> >>
> >> The new box should probably follow conventions, but we really need
> >> written English competence for AOO developers, because this mailing
> list
> >> and a lot of the web pages are in English.
> >
> > this is not mentioned in any way on the "get-involved.html" webpage.
> > Should we add this there also?
> >
> > Of course no native speaker level is need. But somehow a level that
> > makes it not too difficult to communicate (mails, Bugzilla, source
> code
> > comments, etc.).
> >
> >>>> If anyone is familiar with how to edit it, and has time to help me,
> >>>> please reply.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe you have overlooked my previous answer on your "Attracting new
> >>> developers" thread. ;-) I'll look on the weekend for the necessary
> >>> updates.
> >>
> >> I didn't interpret it as a commitment to do the changes, and I am in
> a
> >> Just Do It mood this week. If you can do the changes, great.
> >>
> >> The images etc. for an orange box are already there, are not
> currently
> >> being used, and I think orange would be an appropriate color. I would
> >> like to see it go fairly high up on the page, perhaps immediately
> above
> >> the "share" box.
> >
> > OK, I'll take this into account. Unfortunately, the orange icon is the
> > one for a download and not the share icon.
> >
> >> The key skills we need most urgently right now seem to be application
> >> build tools and C++ programming. Anything else?
> >
> > My technical additions need a bit more time but in the meantime here
> are
> > my text suggestions:
> >
> > Box headline:
> > "Developers Needed"
> >
> > Box text:
> > "Are you a software developer with C++ skills or have you deeper
> > knowledge about building software? Do you like to work in open source
> > projects and you are familar with the English language? Then come to
> us
> > and help Apache OpenOffice to grow."
> >
> > Box mouse-over:
> > "The Apache OpenOffice project need software developers to grow its
> base"
> >
> > Not perfect but a start - for discussion and improvement.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
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Re: Editing Download page

[Marcus]

Am 07/23/2016 12:49 AM, schrieb Marcus:

Am 07/22/2016 10:14 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Am 07/22/2016 08:35 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

[...]

I didn't interpret it as a commitment to do the changes, and I am in a
Just Do It mood this week. If you can do the changes, great.


OK, I don't want to slow you down. ;-)

Here is a first test version in the test area:

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index.html


now it's here:

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/index.html

The only change is Patricia's hint to add the technial writer. When 
nothing else is proposed I'll publish this today evening.


Marcus


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Re: Editing Download page

[Patricia Shanahan]

Marcus:

Please add "Experienced lead technical writers" to the requested skills. 
See the "Is it time to shut down this effort?" thread.


On 7/22/2016 1:14 PM, Marcus wrote:

Am 07/22/2016 08:35 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

On 7/22/2016 11:05 AM, Marcus wrote:

Am 07/22/2016 07:45 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

I am trying to edit www.openoffice.org/download/ to add a box for
recruiting developers. It seems to be a rather complicated page, with
internationalization.


yes, to give the L10n groups the possibility to translate their
webpages. But only the strings. Everything else should be the same look
& feel. Therefore the heavy use of scripting.


The new box should probably follow conventions, but we really need
written English competence for AOO developers, because this mailing list
and a lot of the web pages are in English.


this is not mentioned in any way on the "get-involved.html" webpage.
Should we add this there also?

Of course no native speaker level is need. But somehow a level that
makes it not too difficult to communicate (mails, Bugzilla, source code
comments, etc.).


If anyone is familiar with how to edit it, and has time to help me,
please reply.


Maybe you have overlooked my previous answer on your "Attracting new
developers" thread. ;-) I'll look on the weekend for the necessary
updates.


I didn't interpret it as a commitment to do the changes, and I am in a
Just Do It mood this week. If you can do the changes, great.

The images etc. for an orange box are already there, are not currently
being used, and I think orange would be an appropriate color. I would
like to see it go fairly high up on the page, perhaps immediately above
the "share" box.


OK, I'll take this into account. Unfortunately, the orange icon is the
one for a download and not the share icon.


The key skills we need most urgently right now seem to be application
build tools and C++ programming. Anything else?


My technical additions need a bit more time but in the meantime here are
my text suggestions:

Box headline:
"Developers Needed"

Box text:
"Are you a software developer with C++ skills or have you deeper
knowledge about building software? Do you like to work in open source
projects and you are familar with the English language? Then come to us
and help Apache OpenOffice to grow."

Box mouse-over:
"The Apache OpenOffice project need software developers to grow its base"

Not perfect but a start - for discussion and improvement.

Marcus

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RE: Editing Download page

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

+1 Looks great.

Ship it!

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 15:51
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Editing Download page
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/22/2016 03:49 PM, Marcus wrote:
> > Am 07/22/2016 10:14 PM, schrieb Marcus:
> >> Am 07/22/2016 08:35 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>> I didn't interpret it as a commitment to do the changes, and I am in
> a
> >>> Just Do It mood this week. If you can do the changes, great.
> >
> > OK, I don't want to slow you down. ;-)
> >
> > Here is a first test version in the test area:
> >
> > http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index.html
> >
> > Marcus
> 
> Looks good to me and orange is just the color I would have suggested! :)
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Editing Download page

[Marcus]

Am 07/22/2016 10:14 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Am 07/22/2016 08:35 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

[...]

I didn't interpret it as a commitment to do the changes, and I am in a
Just Do It mood this week. If you can do the changes, great.


OK, I don't want to slow you down. ;-)

Here is a first test version in the test area:

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index.html

Marcus

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Re: Editing Download page

[Marcus]

Am 07/22/2016 08:35 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

On 7/22/2016 11:05 AM, Marcus wrote:

Am 07/22/2016 07:45 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

I am trying to edit www.openoffice.org/download/ to add a box for
recruiting developers. It seems to be a rather complicated page, with
internationalization.


yes, to give the L10n groups the possibility to translate their
webpages. But only the strings. Everything else should be the same look
& feel. Therefore the heavy use of scripting.


The new box should probably follow conventions, but we really need
written English competence for AOO developers, because this mailing list
and a lot of the web pages are in English.


this is not mentioned in any way on the "get-involved.html" webpage. 
Should we add this there also?


Of course no native speaker level is need. But somehow a level that 
makes it not too difficult to communicate (mails, Bugzilla, source code 
comments, etc.).



If anyone is familiar with how to edit it, and has time to help me,
please reply.


Maybe you have overlooked my previous answer on your "Attracting new
developers" thread. ;-) I'll look on the weekend for the necessary
updates.


I didn't interpret it as a commitment to do the changes, and I am in a
Just Do It mood this week. If you can do the changes, great.

The images etc. for an orange box are already there, are not currently
being used, and I think orange would be an appropriate color. I would
like to see it go fairly high up on the page, perhaps immediately above
the "share" box.


OK, I'll take this into account. Unfortunately, the orange icon is the 
one for a download and not the share icon.



The key skills we need most urgently right now seem to be application
build tools and C++ programming. Anything else?


My technical additions need a bit more time but in the meantime here are 
my text suggestions:


Box headline:
"Developers Needed"

Box text:
"Are you a software developer with C++ skills or have you deeper 
knowledge about building software? Do you like to work in open source 
projects and you are familar with the English language? Then come to us 
and help Apache OpenOffice to grow."


Box mouse-over:
"The Apache OpenOffice project need software developers to grow its base"

Not perfect but a start - for discussion and improvement.

Marcus

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RE: Editing Download page

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

There is also the prospect of using the Apache OpenOffice blog and the 
announce@ oo.a.o list as a kind of one-time way to indicate a drive for 
contributors.

There was such an effort previously for QA support,
<https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/?page=4>. 

It is also informative to review these from the most recent backwards :)

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:46
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Editing Download page
> 
> I am trying to edit www.openoffice.org/download/ to add a box for
> recruiting developers. It seems to be a rather complicated page, with
> internationalization.
> 
> If anyone is familiar with how to edit it, and has time to help me,
> please reply.
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Re: Editing Download page

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 7/22/2016 11:05 AM, Marcus wrote:

Am 07/22/2016 07:45 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

I am trying to edit www.openoffice.org/download/ to add a box for
recruiting developers. It seems to be a rather complicated page, with
internationalization.


yes, to give the L10n groups the possibility to translate their
webpages. But only the strings. Everything else should be the same look
& feel. Therefore the heavy use of scripting.


The new box should probably follow conventions, but we really need 
written English competence for AOO developers, because this mailing list 
and a lot of the web pages are in English.





If anyone is familiar with how to edit it, and has time to help me,
please reply.


Maybe you have overlooked my previous answer on your "Attracting new
developers" thread. ;-) I'll look on the weekend for the necessary updates.


I didn't interpret it as a commitment to do the changes, and I am in a 
Just Do It mood this week. If you can do the changes, great.


The images etc. for an orange box are already there, are not currently 
being used, and I think orange would be an appropriate color. I would 
like to see it go fairly high up on the page, perhaps immediately above 
the "share" box.


The key skills we need most urgently right now seem to be application 
build tools and C++ programming. Anything else?


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Re: Editing Download page

[Marcus]

Am 07/22/2016 07:45 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

I am trying to edit www.openoffice.org/download/ to add a box for
recruiting developers. It seems to be a rather complicated page, with
internationalization.


yes, to give the L10n groups the possibility to translate their 
webpages. But only the strings. Everything else should be the same look 
& feel. Therefore the heavy use of scripting.



If anyone is familiar with how to edit it, and has time to help me,
please reply.


Maybe you have overlooked my previous answer on your "Attracting new 
developers" thread. ;-) I'll look on the weekend for the necessary updates.


Marcus


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Editing Download page

[Patricia Shanahan]

I am trying to edit www.openoffice.org/download/ to add a box for 
recruiting developers. It seems to be a rather complicated page, with 
internationalization.


If anyone is familiar with how to edit it, and has time to help me, 
please reply.


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