Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:24 AM Fernando Cassia wrote: > > On Tue., 31 Aug. 2021, 09:44 Hao Wang, wrote: > > > Thanks for introducing me to the new term Ribbon. Looks like that's what > > I'm aiming for. > > In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a > > web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? > > > > One of the reasons I stick to OpenOffice are CUA menus. > Menus are not hidden based on "context" or where the cursor is within the > document. > > Please, stick to CUA menus. If it becomes yet another "ribbon UI" madness > it will be tone for me to either look for something else or keep using old > versions. > > There are plenty of UX pundits that question the usefulness of "ribbon" > like user interfaces. > > Why the Ribbon is wrong > https://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/05/why-the-ribbon-is-wrong.html > > "*For a user interface to be effective, it has to be consistent. Consistant > is not what the ribbon is about. It suffers from large buttons, small > buttons. Buttons labelled with words, buttons labeled with icons. Sometimes > what appears to be a button is only a text label; clicking it does > nothing." * > > Microsoft Office Ribbon sucks – Julie Larson-Green should design prison > complexes instead of software UI > https://moralvolcano.wordpress.com/2015/07/26/microsoft-office-ribbon-sucks-julie-larson-green-should-design-prison-complexes-instead-of-software-ui/ > > The Ribbon Sucks > http://blog.schauderhaft.de/2009/01/08/the-ribbon-sucks/ > > https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2018/09/05/outlook_updates_microsoft_ribbon/ > *Microsoft's incoming updates to Outlook on Windows and web aim to strip > away the cruft that has built up in the interface over the years. Outlook > for Windows The veteran email client has seen its interface become > gradually ever more cluttered, with the divisive ribbon inflicted on the > toolbar just over 10 years ago"* > > > The ribbon interface, however, does in fact suck. I’m used to it, I can use > it, but it is fundamentally more annoying and slower to use than the old > drop-down-menus-plus-toolbars interface for a number of reasons. One of > them is that it only lets you do one kind of thing at a time, so you have > to switch back and forth all the time. So for instance, say I want to mess > with tables, or I’m in a spreadsheet and I want to do some sorting. But, > I’m going to want to do some basic formatting with this stuff as well. With > old interfaces or the Open/LibreOffice interface, I can use my table stuff > or sorting stuff dropdown menu, or in the case of OpenOffice I’ve maybe got > a little floating toolbar for it. But my normal stuff toolbar is still > showing, so I can fiddle with it and then format it (set whether it’s > showing as dollars or euros, how many decimal points, center a heading, > whatever) and then fiddle with it some more. With the ribbon, every time I > do a different thing I have to switch back and forth, because with the > ribbon it’s basically like wiping out your toolbar and replacing it with a > different one every time you do something different. Another problem is > that for a lot of things to do with processing words, I actually prefer > thinking in terms of words to thinking in terms of fairly arbitrary little > pictures–go figure. So making it necessary to pick my actions from a large > spread of icons, even with a mouse-over so that if I hover over each icon I > will eventually probably figure out what I need, does not make me > enthused–I’d rather have the option of a relatively short list of words in > a dropdown menu, even if it means that menu might have to nest an extra > level. The ribbon in lots of ways really is a step down in interface design" > https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=11809 > > So, please, "just because everyone else is doing it" is not a valid > technical reason. Agreed. I never liked MacOS nor Windows GUIs -- despite all the paid propaganda targeted at the sheep by the respective plutocrats lauding their proprietary OSes; after IBM balked at the multiple petitions to have OS/2 open sourced, https://youtu.be/WYCFR-0N0b0 I went straight to Linux. i.e., I like Apache OO interface/GUI the way it is. > > Lots of atrocities were done in the name of progress. Many times it was > just a fad. > > FC -- Jose R R http://metztli.it - Download Metztli Reiser4: Debian Buster w/ Linux 5.10.26 AMD64 - feats ZSTD compression https://sf.net/projects/metztli-reiser4/ - or SFRN 5.1.3, Metztli Reiser5 https://sf.net/projects/debian-reiser4/ --- Official current Reiser4 resources:
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
On Tue., 31 Aug. 2021, 09:44 Hao Wang, wrote: > Thanks for introducing me to the new term Ribbon. Looks like that's what > I'm aiming for. > In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a > web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? > One of the reasons I stick to OpenOffice are CUA menus. Menus are not hidden based on "context" or where the cursor is within the document. Please, stick to CUA menus. If it becomes yet another "ribbon UI" madness it will be tone for me to either look for something else or keep using old versions. There are plenty of UX pundits that question the usefulness of "ribbon" like user interfaces. Why the Ribbon is wrong https://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/05/why-the-ribbon-is-wrong.html "*For a user interface to be effective, it has to be consistent. Consistant is not what the ribbon is about. It suffers from large buttons, small buttons. Buttons labelled with words, buttons labeled with icons. Sometimes what appears to be a button is only a text label; clicking it does nothing." * Microsoft Office Ribbon sucks – Julie Larson-Green should design prison complexes instead of software UI https://moralvolcano.wordpress.com/2015/07/26/microsoft-office-ribbon-sucks-julie-larson-green-should-design-prison-complexes-instead-of-software-ui/ The Ribbon Sucks http://blog.schauderhaft.de/2009/01/08/the-ribbon-sucks/ https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2018/09/05/outlook_updates_microsoft_ribbon/ *Microsoft's incoming updates to Outlook on Windows and web aim to strip away the cruft that has built up in the interface over the years. Outlook for Windows The veteran email client has seen its interface become gradually ever more cluttered, with the divisive ribbon inflicted on the toolbar just over 10 years ago"* The ribbon interface, however, does in fact suck. I’m used to it, I can use it, but it is fundamentally more annoying and slower to use than the old drop-down-menus-plus-toolbars interface for a number of reasons. One of them is that it only lets you do one kind of thing at a time, so you have to switch back and forth all the time. So for instance, say I want to mess with tables, or I’m in a spreadsheet and I want to do some sorting. But, I’m going to want to do some basic formatting with this stuff as well. With old interfaces or the Open/LibreOffice interface, I can use my table stuff or sorting stuff dropdown menu, or in the case of OpenOffice I’ve maybe got a little floating toolbar for it. But my normal stuff toolbar is still showing, so I can fiddle with it and then format it (set whether it’s showing as dollars or euros, how many decimal points, center a heading, whatever) and then fiddle with it some more. With the ribbon, every time I do a different thing I have to switch back and forth, because with the ribbon it’s basically like wiping out your toolbar and replacing it with a different one every time you do something different. Another problem is that for a lot of things to do with processing words, I actually prefer thinking in terms of words to thinking in terms of fairly arbitrary little pictures–go figure. So making it necessary to pick my actions from a large spread of icons, even with a mouse-over so that if I hover over each icon I will eventually probably figure out what I need, does not make me enthused–I’d rather have the option of a relatively short list of words in a dropdown menu, even if it means that menu might have to nest an extra level. The ribbon in lots of ways really is a step down in interface design" https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=11809 So, please, "just because everyone else is doing it" is not a valid technical reason. Lots of atrocities were done in the name of progress. Many times it was just a fad. FC
RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hello Hao Wang, > -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 10:00 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI - we (you and I and all who use the mailing list here) can discuss your proposal but it won't become real but will remain only a thought in our heads. -unlike Microsoft or Kingsoft, the AOO project is not a company, but a free software project, here only volunteers work and decide about their own actions. It is right to make your proposal to the volunteers here, but even if your proposal meets with approval, that is no guarantee that it will be implemented, because in order to do so, people must be found who want to do it voluntarily. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Dear Jorg, I am a loyal user of WPS and Microsoft Office, not Open Office. The reason why I suggested an Open Office Lite edition is I am tired of the new versions of WPS and Microsoft that have little improvement over the previous ones. I am suggesting this for the better common good of office users, not because I have the need to use it. I will become a loyal fan of Oo Lite if it meets the quality requirement for research paper quality writing, but not for now. China already has a free replacement of Microsoft Office, which is WPS. The software also has a Linux Edition. People really have no urge to use Oo Lite. WPS is currently No. 1 on Chinese market. I think European market would be a good place for Oo Lite. I am not "honestly" saying I want an Oo Lite Edition because I don't know what "I" represents for at this moment. I have trouble with my social and family ties that the other side refuse to listen or accept a resolution in a legal and enforcible manner. I find I am incapable to resolve anything related to more than 1 person that involves "I". So I go for the word "future" instead of "I". In future, we will see a better and different world, even though I might not live to that day. 获取 Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: Jörg Schmidt Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 3:26:04 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI > -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 6:41 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI > Should we create an Oo Lite edition that is small in size and > lightweighted as discussed in the messages ? This is actually > how WPS resurrected on the Chinese market. I think Oo Lite > could also challenge Microsoft in Europe as well. BTW, a > Windows edition of Oo Lite would also be a great threat to Microsoft. Where is the problem to honestly say: an "Oo Lite edition" would please me? That would be a position I could share. What I can't share is the kind of argumentation that tries to convince us of unrealistic chances of success for AOO, only with the obvious interest of wanting to push through an "Oo Lite Edition" in this way. A little provocatively: Where are the Chinese developers who are interested in implementing a "Oo Lite edition"? _If_ it were realistic that a "Oo Lite edition" would be so overly successful in China, then I'm pretty sure Chinese developers would realize that and be willing to support AOO. But such questions are answered automatically in a meritocratic project, because if there are enough people who believe in the success of a specific change in the program, then (not necessarily, but very likely) people will be found who will implement this change in practice. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
> -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 6:41 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI > Should we create an Oo Lite edition that is small in size and > lightweighted as discussed in the messages ? This is actually > how WPS resurrected on the Chinese market. I think Oo Lite > could also challenge Microsoft in Europe as well. BTW, a > Windows edition of Oo Lite would also be a great threat to Microsoft. Where is the problem to honestly say: an "Oo Lite edition" would please me? That would be a position I could share. What I can't share is the kind of argumentation that tries to convince us of unrealistic chances of success for AOO, only with the obvious interest of wanting to push through an "Oo Lite Edition" in this way. A little provocatively: Where are the Chinese developers who are interested in implementing a "Oo Lite edition"? _If_ it were realistic that a "Oo Lite edition" would be so overly successful in China, then I'm pretty sure Chinese developers would realize that and be willing to support AOO. But such questions are answered automatically in a meritocratic project, because if there are enough people who believe in the success of a specific change in the program, then (not necessarily, but very likely) people will be found who will implement this change in practice. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Should we create an Oo Lite edition that is small in size and lightweighted as discussed in the messages ? This is actually how WPS resurrected on the Chinese market. I think Oo Lite could also challenge Microsoft in Europe as well. BTW, a Windows edition of Oo Lite would also be a great threat to Microsoft. From: Aivaras Stepukonis Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2021 6:34 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI I took a look at the screenshots and liked the Lotus icon set: very similar to OO default, with subtly improved clarity. Regards, Aivaras 2021-09-04 12:05, Matthias Seidel rašė: > Hi, > > Am 02.09.21 um 18:12 schrieb Guy Waterval: >> Hello, >> >> @Matthias Seidel >> Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony >> https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/ >> They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to manage forms, >> asw.. > Thanks! > > I really like some of the details... > > Small changes can enhance productivity while not disturbing the users. > > Regards, > > Matthias > >> Regards >> G. Waterval >> >> Le jeu. 2 sept. 2021 à 16:01, Matthias Seidel >> a écrit : >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Am 02.09.21 um 07:52 schrieb Guy Waterval: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> The UI of IBM Lotus Symphony could perhaps be a source of inspiration. >>> Not >>>> too far from the actual AOO UI, but with simplified menus and toolbars. >>> Can you point me to some screenshot that show what you are thinking of? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> G. Waterval >>>> >>>> Le mar. 31 août 2021 à 13:25, Matthias Seidel < >>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> >>>> a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular >>>>> "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been >>>>> discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in >>>>> the end. >>>>> >>>>> Can you give examples of what you would like to change? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is >>>>> very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important: >>>>> capacity) to work on the project. >>>>> >>>>> Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk". >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Matthias >>>>> >>>>> Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang: >>>>>> I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with >>>>> OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. >>> I >>>>> think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its >>>>> competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by >>>>> Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design >>> can >>>>> lead to much higher popularity. >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Jörg Schmidt >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM >>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM >>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>> Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear OpenOffice devs, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of >>>>>>> light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. >>>>>> What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the >>>>> question to be >>>>>> understood more comprehensively? >>>>>> >>>>>> I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) >>>>> and I can't >>>>>> see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. >>>>>> On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they >>>>> mediate >>>>>> something other than "ribbons". >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> greetings, >>>>>> Jörg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> btw.: >>>>>> What has become of this? >>>>>> >>> https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ >>>>>> - >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>>
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I took a look at the screenshots and liked the Lotus icon set: very similar to OO default, with subtly improved clarity. Regards, Aivaras 2021-09-04 12:05, Matthias Seidel rašė: Hi, Am 02.09.21 um 18:12 schrieb Guy Waterval: Hello, @Matthias Seidel Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/ They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to manage forms, asw.. Thanks! I really like some of the details... Small changes can enhance productivity while not disturbing the users. Regards, Matthias Regards G. Waterval Le jeu. 2 sept. 2021 à 16:01, Matthias Seidel a écrit : Hi, Am 02.09.21 um 07:52 schrieb Guy Waterval: Hello, The UI of IBM Lotus Symphony could perhaps be a source of inspiration. Not too far from the actual AOO UI, but with simplified menus and toolbars. Can you point me to some screenshot that show what you are thinking of? Regards, Matthias Regards G. Waterval Le mar. 31 août 2021 à 13:25, Matthias Seidel < matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> a écrit : Hi, I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in the end. Can you give examples of what you would like to change? Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important: capacity) to work on the project. Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk". Regards, Matthias Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang: I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can lead to much higher popularity. From: Jörg Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI Hello, -Original Message- From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI Dear OpenOffice devs, OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to be understood more comprehensively? I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I can't see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate something other than "ribbons". greetings, Jörg btw.: What has become of this? https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hi, Am 02.09.21 um 18:12 schrieb Guy Waterval: > Hello, > > @Matthias Seidel > Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony > https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/ > They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to manage forms, > asw.. Thanks! I really like some of the details... Small changes can enhance productivity while not disturbing the users. Regards, Matthias > > Regards > G. Waterval > > Le jeu. 2 sept. 2021 à 16:01, Matthias Seidel > a écrit : > >> Hi, >> >> Am 02.09.21 um 07:52 schrieb Guy Waterval: >>> Hello, >>> >>> The UI of IBM Lotus Symphony could perhaps be a source of inspiration. >> Not >>> too far from the actual AOO UI, but with simplified menus and toolbars. >> Can you point me to some screenshot that show what you are thinking of? >> >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >>> Regards >>> >>> G. Waterval >>> >>> Le mar. 31 août 2021 à 13:25, Matthias Seidel < >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> >>> a écrit : >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular >>>> "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been >>>> discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in >>>> the end. >>>> >>>> Can you give examples of what you would like to change? >>>> >>>> Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is >>>> very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important: >>>> capacity) to work on the project. >>>> >>>> Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk". >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>>Matthias >>>> >>>> Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang: >>>>> I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with >>>> OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. >> I >>>> think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its >>>> competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by >>>> Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design >> can >>>> lead to much higher popularity. >>>>> >>>>> From: Jörg Schmidt >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM >>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>> Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM >>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear OpenOffice devs, >>>>>> >>>>>> OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of >>>>>> light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. >>>>> What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the >>>> question to be >>>>> understood more comprehensively? >>>>> >>>>> I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) >>>> and I can't >>>>> see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. >>>>> On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they >>>> mediate >>>>> something other than "ribbons". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> greetings, >>>>> Jörg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> btw.: >>>>> What has become of this? >>>>> >> https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ >>>>> - >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
> -Original Message- > From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.l...@mailbox.org.INVALID] > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 6:44 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI > > Hi Guy, Matthias > > > On 09/02/2021 5:12 PM Guy Waterval wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > @Matthias Seidel > > Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony > > https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/ > > They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to > manage forms, > > asw.. > > That was a nice touch (I remembered it after looking at the > screenshots). The UI is the same but it had an Eclipse > wrapper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Lotus_Symphony) > that allowed to have a document on each tab. > > If anyone is interested to try there is still a Deutsch > version available at Chip > https://www.chip.de/downloads/IBM-Lotus-Symphony_28856679.html Thank you for the link. I probably won't try Symphony, but I finally have a concrete proof of a multi-tab GUI based on OO, beyond the version once created at the Google Summer of Code. On one of the 2 German mailing lists a user has said several times that there used to be an OO version with tabs and I have always denied this because I knew that there was no such thing. The explanation should be that this user has used Symphony before. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Hi Pedro, Unfortunately, big problems under Windows 10 Version 21H1 for systems x64, unusable. Regards G. Waterval Le jeu. 2 sept. 2021 à 18:44, Pedro Lino a écrit : > Hi Guy, Matthias > > > On 09/02/2021 5:12 PM Guy Waterval wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > @Matthias Seidel > > Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony > > https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/ > > They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to manage forms, > > asw.. > > That was a nice touch (I remembered it after looking at the screenshots). > The UI is the same but it had an Eclipse wrapper ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Lotus_Symphony) that allowed to have a > document on each tab. > > If anyone is interested to try there is still a Deutsch version available > at Chip > https://www.chip.de/downloads/IBM-Lotus-Symphony_28856679.html > > and I still have the English installer (from back in 2012!) that I can > upload somewhere. > > Regards, > Pedro > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hi Guy, Matthias > On 09/02/2021 5:12 PM Guy Waterval wrote: > > > Hello, > > @Matthias Seidel > Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony > https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/ > They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to manage forms, > asw.. That was a nice touch (I remembered it after looking at the screenshots). The UI is the same but it had an Eclipse wrapper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Lotus_Symphony) that allowed to have a document on each tab. If anyone is interested to try there is still a Deutsch version available at Chip https://www.chip.de/downloads/IBM-Lotus-Symphony_28856679.html and I still have the English installer (from back in 2012!) that I can upload somewhere. Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hello, @Matthias Seidel Here are some screenshots of IBM Lotus Symphony https://ibm-lotus-symphony.informer.com/screenshot/ They had also reviewed some toolbars i.e. a single one to manage forms, asw.. Regards G. Waterval Le jeu. 2 sept. 2021 à 16:01, Matthias Seidel a écrit : > Hi, > > Am 02.09.21 um 07:52 schrieb Guy Waterval: > > Hello, > > > > The UI of IBM Lotus Symphony could perhaps be a source of inspiration. > Not > > too far from the actual AOO UI, but with simplified menus and toolbars. > > Can you point me to some screenshot that show what you are thinking of? > > Regards, > >Matthias > > > > > Regards > > > > G. Waterval > > > > Le mar. 31 août 2021 à 13:25, Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> > > a écrit : > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular > >> "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been > >> discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in > >> the end. > >> > >> Can you give examples of what you would like to change? > >> > >> Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is > >> very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important: > >> capacity) to work on the project. > >> > >> Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk". > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >>Matthias > >> > >> Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang: > >>> I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with > >> OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. > I > >> think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its > >> competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by > >> Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design > can > >> lead to much higher popularity. > >>> ________________ > >>> From: Jörg Schmidt > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM > >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >>> Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM > >>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >>>> Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI > >>>> > >>>> Dear OpenOffice devs, > >>>> > >>>> OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of > >>>> light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. > >>> What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the > >> question to be > >>> understood more comprehensively? > >>> > >>> I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) > >> and I can't > >>> see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. > >>> On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they > >> mediate > >>> something other than "ribbons". > >>> > >>> > >>> greetings, > >>> Jörg > >>> > >>> > >>> btw.: > >>> What has become of this? > >>> > >> > https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ > >>> > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> > >>> > >> > >
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
On 02.09.21 15:15, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Hello, just my 2 cents as an extension author. Am 02.09.21 um 13:43 schrieb Peter Kovacs: In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? This is a very long road. I see open questions towards cooperative work flows that we need to improve. In addition I would look more into a de-central setup, that does not need a Server to work. If you have interest in O365 or Google like Infrastructure, I would look into OwnCloud or nextCloud. Which are also more of a match to the Cloud competitors in general if you considering that you might want features like Google drive or OneDrive. Also with Cooperative work, communication, via mail or other protocols is very important, which we currently do not support at all. A decentral approach is maybe to use git. You have only to unpack and pacK the the documents and do some git stuff. Using git people may have a git server in the web (there some free programs for that task). Should I think about it further on? Sure. It is always worth to play through the approach. I found a related Request at [1]. We could try a prototype and then think about the UI a user would need. All the best Peter [1] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=38719 -- This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Hi, Am 02.09.21 um 07:52 schrieb Guy Waterval: > Hello, > > The UI of IBM Lotus Symphony could perhaps be a source of inspiration. Not > too far from the actual AOO UI, but with simplified menus and toolbars. Can you point me to some screenshot that show what you are thinking of? Regards, Matthias > > Regards > > G. Waterval > > Le mar. 31 août 2021 à 13:25, Matthias Seidel > a écrit : > >> Hi, >> >> I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular >> "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been >> discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in >> the end. >> >> Can you give examples of what you would like to change? >> >> Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is >> very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important: >> capacity) to work on the project. >> >> Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk". >> >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >> Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang: >>> I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with >> OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I >> think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its >> competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by >> Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can >> lead to much higher popularity. >>> >>> From: Jörg Schmidt >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>> Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM >>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>> Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI >>>> >>>> Dear OpenOffice devs, >>>> >>>> OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of >>>> light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. >>> What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the >> question to be >>> understood more comprehensively? >>> >>> I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) >> and I can't >>> see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. >>> On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they >> mediate >>> something other than "ribbons". >>> >>> >>> greetings, >>> Jörg >>> >>> >>> btw.: >>> What has become of this? >>> >> https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hello, just my 2 cents as an extension author. Am 02.09.21 um 13:43 schrieb Peter Kovacs: In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? This is a very long road. I see open questions towards cooperative work flows that we need to improve. In addition I would look more into a de-central setup, that does not need a Server to work. If you have interest in O365 or Google like Infrastructure, I would look into OwnCloud or nextCloud. Which are also more of a match to the Cloud competitors in general if you considering that you might want features like Google drive or OneDrive. Also with Cooperative work, communication, via mail or other protocols is very important, which we currently do not support at all. A decentral approach is maybe to use git. You have only to unpack and pacK the the documents and do some git stuff. Using git people may have a git server in the web (there some free programs for that task). Should I think about it further on? Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 31.08.21 14:44, Hao Wang wrote: Thanks for introducing me to the new term Ribbon. Looks like that's what I'm aiming for. Please keep in mind that a lot of users are very happy with the UI as is, because they know exactly where they can find the features they are looking for. And they enjoyed this fixed setup for years. So we need to find a solution that works for people that want less Icons and more clicky, or others that want less clicks but more Icons without haveing to much fuzz for everyone. IMHO the only answer is theming. That mean we need to develop the UI into a theme engine. Plus since I think we should stick with the default we have now, we need a better way to distribute, change Extensions.(A Layout Theme is also some sort of extension.) Plus we need to ensure that Extensions work on all environments (Which is for me: Apple (intel, M1) Windows (XP and later), GTK (on Linux 7 and later, FreeBSD), OS/2. Maybe we should look into our QT UI implementation too -.-). I am not saying that this is impossible. But I hope you see that is nothing that is around the corner if it is done right. And IMHO LO did something nice but not satisfactory in this regard.. In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? This is a very long road. I see open questions towards cooperative work flows that we need to improve. In addition I would look more into a de-central setup, that does not need a Server to work. If you have interest in O365 or Google like Infrastructure, I would look into OwnCloud or nextCloud. Which are also more of a match to the Cloud competitors in general if you considering that you might want features like Google drive or OneDrive. Also with Cooperative work, communication, via mail or other protocols is very important, which we currently do not support at all. -- This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hello, The UI of IBM Lotus Symphony could perhaps be a source of inspiration. Not too far from the actual AOO UI, but with simplified menus and toolbars. Regards G. Waterval Le mar. 31 août 2021 à 13:25, Matthias Seidel a écrit : > Hi, > > I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular > "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been > discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in > the end. > > Can you give examples of what you would like to change? > > Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is > very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important: > capacity) to work on the project. > > Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk". > > Regards, > >Matthias > > Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang: > > I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with > OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I > think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its > competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by > Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can > lead to much higher popularity. > > > > > > From: Jörg Schmidt > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI > > > > Hello, > > > >> -Original Message----- > >> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI > >> > >> Dear OpenOffice devs, > >> > >> OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of > >> light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. > > What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the > question to be > > understood more comprehensively? > > > > I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) > and I can't > > see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. > > On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they > mediate > > something other than "ribbons". > > > > > > greetings, > > Jörg > > > > > > btw.: > > What has become of this? > > > https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > >
RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
> -Original Message- > From: Nagy Ákos [mailto:a...@libreoffice.ro] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 2:18 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI > > Hi, > > in LibreOffice you can choose from 6 menu types. > > If isn't attached, can view here: https://ibb.co/Ctqf8Fr don't forget to mention the highlight of the whole thing: the 6 menu types can be applied arbitrarily to single applications (so Writer other menu than Calc etc.) ... only the daily automatic menu change was forgotten ... If LO still has underutilized developers, my suggestion would be to make Calc in 3D. For example, the currently selected cell floats as a cube in slight rotation in front of the table. Not even Microsoft has something like that. The advantage is that you can start small with adjustability for rotation direction, speed, color of the surfaces and later also implement that in real time 6 videos run on the 6 cube surfaces. scnr Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 8/31/21 8:44 AM, Hao Wang wrote: > Thanks for introducing me to the new term Ribbon. Looks like that's what I'm > aiming for. What in particular about Ribbon? I know Microsoft did lots of studies as part of designing it; but honestly I prefer a Ribbon-less interface. IMHO, the Ribbon just adds clicks while one searches about for things without much context in each individual "Ribbon" to find stuff, making it more confusing than the previous approach which AOO continues to use. > In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a web-page > based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? AOO doesn't lend itself into that situation; however the document processing libraries for ODF do but then the major work of website design and library integration (with JavaScript/TypeScript) would still need to be done. $0.02 A lurker, Ben > > > From: J�rg Schmidt > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 5:47 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI > >> -Original Message- >> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:26 AM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI >> >> I sent this message because I have had decade-long >> experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's >> own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to >> improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. >> In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by >> Microsoft. > > With this you have wonderfully explained and justified your request, but said > exactly zero about what should be changed or improved in the OO UI. > Two of the programs mentioned (MS Office and WPS Office) have a ribbon > interface > in any case. If that is your desire for the UI, then that would be clear so > far. > >> In China it is overtaken by WPS > > possible, I don't know the situation in China > >> and in the USA by Microsoft > > No, definitely not, because MS Office has always had much higher market share > than > OpenOffice. > > In Germany, for example, OpenOffice (specifically OOo) had a share of about > 12% at > its best, while MS Office had >70%. > The situation in the USA was never very different, rather the share of OO was > a > bit smaller than in Germany. > >> Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better >> UI design can lead to much higher popularity. > > That is certainly true. > I'm just afraid that no one here is willing to put significant developer > capacity > into the UI at the moment. > More concretely, if someone would be interested in improving the UI, they > could do > it, but they have to find someone who is interested first. > > > > J�rg > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Ben Meyer Software Engineer (703)901-2797 bm_witn...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Hi, are 6 menu types more "light-weightedness"? Regards Michael Am 31.08.21 um 14:18 schrieb Nagy Ákos: Hi, in LibreOffice you can choose from 6 menu types. If isn't attached, can view here: https://ibb.co/Ctqf8Fr OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hi, in LibreOffice you can choose from 6 menu types. If isn't attached, can view here: https://ibb.co/Ctqf8Fr On 2021. 08. 31. 12:26, Hao Wang wrote: I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can lead to much higher popularity. From: Jörg Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI Hello, -Original Message- From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI Dear OpenOffice devs, OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to be understood more comprehensively? I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I can't see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate something other than "ribbons". greetings, Jörg btw.: What has become of this? https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Nagy Ákos libreoffice.ro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Thanks for introducing me to the new term Ribbon. Looks like that's what I'm aiming for. In addition to the UI redesign, is it possible for us to develop a web-page based office suite similar to Google docs or Office 365 ? From: Jörg Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 5:47 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI > -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:26 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI > > I sent this message because I have had decade-long > experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's > own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to > improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. > In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by > Microsoft. With this you have wonderfully explained and justified your request, but said exactly zero about what should be changed or improved in the OO UI. Two of the programs mentioned (MS Office and WPS Office) have a ribbon interface in any case. If that is your desire for the UI, then that would be clear so far. > In China it is overtaken by WPS possible, I don't know the situation in China > and in the USA by Microsoft No, definitely not, because MS Office has always had much higher market share than OpenOffice. In Germany, for example, OpenOffice (specifically OOo) had a share of about 12% at its best, while MS Office had >70%. The situation in the USA was never very different, rather the share of OO was a bit smaller than in Germany. > Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better > UI design can lead to much higher popularity. That is certainly true. I'm just afraid that no one here is willing to put significant developer capacity into the UI at the moment. More concretely, if someone would be interested in improving the UI, they could do it, but they have to find someone who is interested first. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hi, I do see the need for a modern icon set to be used in the now so popular "dark mode" and for the upcoming Windows 11. This has already been discussed, but since we are all volunteers someone has to do the work in the end. Can you give examples of what you would like to change? Maybe we can integrate some of them, but a major overhaul of the UI is very unlikely to happen. We need volunteers (and more important: capacity) to work on the project. Talk is cheap, but we need to "walk the talk". Regards, Matthias Am 31.08.21 um 11:26 schrieb Hao Wang: > I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with > OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I > think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its > competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by Microsoft. > Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can lead to much > higher popularity. > > > From: Jörg Schmidt > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI > > Hello, > >> -Original Message- >> From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI >> >> Dear OpenOffice devs, >> >> OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of >> light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. > What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to > be > understood more comprehensively? > > I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I > can't > see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. > On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate > something other than "ribbons". > > > greetings, > Jörg > > > btw.: > What has become of this? > https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
> -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:26 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: OpenOffice needs better UI > > I sent this message because I have had decade-long > experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's > own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to > improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. > In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by > Microsoft. With this you have wonderfully explained and justified your request, but said exactly zero about what should be changed or improved in the OO UI. Two of the programs mentioned (MS Office and WPS Office) have a ribbon interface in any case. If that is your desire for the UI, then that would be clear so far. > In China it is overtaken by WPS possible, I don't know the situation in China > and in the USA by Microsoft No, definitely not, because MS Office has always had much higher market share than OpenOffice. In Germany, for example, OpenOffice (specifically OOo) had a share of about 12% at its best, while MS Office had >70%. The situation in the USA was never very different, rather the share of OO was a bit smaller than in Germany. > Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better > UI design can lead to much higher popularity. That is certainly true. I'm just afraid that no one here is willing to put significant developer capacity into the UI at the moment. More concretely, if someone would be interested in improving the UI, they could do it, but they have to find someone who is interested first. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OpenOffice needs better UI
I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with OpenOffice, WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. In China, it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by Microsoft. Even with a less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can lead to much higher popularity. From: Jörg Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI > > Dear OpenOffice devs, > > OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of > light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to be understood more comprehensively? I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I can't see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate something other than "ribbons". greetings, Jörg btw.: What has become of this? https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: OpenOffice needs better UI
Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI > > Dear OpenOffice devs, > > OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of > light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to be understood more comprehensively? I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I can't see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency. On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate something other than "ribbons". greetings, Jörg btw.: What has become of this? https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Dear Hao, Open Office is highly customizable. The toolbars the user does not need can be removed. To make further GUI adjustments, one can choose from 4 different icon sets and styles (Options… > View > Icon size and style). Have you used these features to their fullest potential? Regards, Aivaras 2021-08-31 10:46, Hao Wang rašė: Dear OpenOffice devs, OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. Best Regards, Hao Wang
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Hello, people, who want "light-weightedness", can use OOo4Kids or help to continue it's development. Kind regards Michael OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Dear OpenOffice devs, OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy. Best Regards, Hao Wang
