Hello Arrigo,
> -Original Message-
> From: Arrigo Marchiori [mailto:ard...@yahoo.it.INVALID]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:30 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: How to recruit [Was: Feature: automatic enter of
> a decimal point at a fixed position]
> > Where can I find an archive of this list so I can look at it?
>
> The list was recently renamed, therefore the archives are
> split in two.
>
> New list:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-volunteer/
> Old list:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-recruitment/
thank you
> > > If so, I would appreciate your (possibly constructive :-)
> criticism,
> > > as I tried to reply to a couple of people but I do not
> seem to have
> > > had any success so far.
> >
> > My, described, personal experiences come from the time of
> OOo [!], the problem was then, however, almost identical to
> the situation today:
> > Too many experienced people don't understand that
> newcomers, who have no FOSS project experience, don't
> understand the meritocratic way of working and therefore
> misunderstand the liberal request 'find yourself the part of
> the project you want to work on' as 'I don't feel like giving
> you concrete help'.
> >
> > It is our mistake to pretend to deprive the newcomers of
> their freedom, only if we assign them concrete work. And I
> name this mistake by saying that we raise the tool (!)
> "meritocracy" to the status of a religion.
>
> I agree that an initial bit of guidance is useful, but I am not
> sure I understand your very last point.
I'm afraid you don't understand my complete statement, because the first part
is not specifically about guidance, but about assigning tasks.
You should not misunderstand "assigning tasks" as giving orders, but as the way
experienced project members give advice on which tasks they should start with.
What is regularly done, however, is something different, namely telling the
newcomers to choose for themselves what they want to do (in the 'tone of voice'
'they MUST choose for themselves what they want to do').
And this happens out of the schematism that some think that any steering of the
interests of newcomers would already run counter to the idea of meritocracy.
And this view I called "religion", you can also call it "dogmatic", in any case
it harms the project.
I give an example:
Peter's answer ([1]) to [2] was undoubtedly friendly, but it was general and
without concrete benefits for a newcomer, who actually wants one thing above
all:
he initial wants to do something concrete and thereby get to know the project.
What did I do? I invited Fabio to the ProOO-box (www.prooo-box.org) and told
him specifically where we need help and explained to him what he must consider
and how he must proceed if he wants to follow our request.
This means that I gave Fabio a concrete path for his first steps in the project.
It doesn't mean that Fabio has to follow my suggestion, but probably he will do
it voluntarily, because he is happy to know that he is doing something useful
for the project.
[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev-de/202103.mbox/%3C343ed415-9307-c63a-bd9d-ac80ca2689b1%40apache.org%3E
[2]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-volunteer/202103.mbox/%3C001201d71e34%24542fcb30%24fc8f6190%24%40holdoffice.com%3E
greetings,
Jörg
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