Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure

2013-04-30 Thread 'Daniel Shahaf'
: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:31:14 -0700: 5. This is sufficient to poison a download mirror site with a counterfeit download so long as the ASC, SHA1, and MD5 locations can

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure

2013-04-30 Thread Kay Schenk
-Original Message- From: Daniel Shahaf [mailto:danie...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 15:58 To: Dennis E. Hamilton Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org; pesce...@apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure

RE: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure

2013-04-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:44 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: 2) The only possible solution would be an authz rule like

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure

2013-04-29 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:31:14 -0700: 5. This is sufficient to poison a download mirror site with a counterfeit download so long as the ASC, SHA1, and MD5 locations can also be spoofed without the user noticing. Right. The normal answer here is They will have

RE: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure

2013-04-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: Daniel Shahaf [mailto:danie...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 15:58 To: Dennis E. Hamilton Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org; pesce...@apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Mon, Apr 29

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure

2013-04-29 Thread Dave Fisher
: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN -- KEYS Compromise Exposure Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:31:14 -0700: 5. This is sufficient to poison a download mirror site with a counterfeit download so long as the ASC, SHA1, and MD5 locations can also be spoofed

RE: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-by-project.html#openoffice. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 09:47 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Joe Schaefer Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN [ ... ] Committer rights

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-05 Thread Kay Schenk
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We're starting to take a deeper look at what is required to integrate code signing into the OpenOffice build and release process. As you probably know operating systems, especially Windows and MacOS, are now checking for

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks, Rob, et al., On 13-04-03, at 22:22 , Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: One way of implementing this would be to look at all commits for the past 6 months (or 1 year?) and remove authorization on

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: 2) The only possible solution would be an authz rule like suggested by Dave here; however, Infra quite discourages it, mainly for maintenance reasons. This leads me to think we would need some good justifications for

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread janI
On 4 April 2013 19:44, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: 2) The only possible solution would be an authz rule like suggested by Dave here; however, Infra quite discourages it, mainly for maintenance reasons.

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Dave Fisher wrote: Let's focus only on adding one new authz list for the code tree. Call it openoffice-coders and populate it with those who HAVE any commit activity in the current code tree. I checked feasibility

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 08:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Dave Fisher wrote: Let's focus only on adding one new authz list for the code tree

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Rob Weir
: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 08:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Dave Fisher wrote: Let's focus only on adding one new authz list for the code tree

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Rob Weir
:44 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Dave Fisher wrote: Let's focus only on adding one new authz list for the code tree. Call

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Rob Weir
@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Dave Fisher wrote: Let's focus only on adding one new authz list for the code tree. Call it openoffice-coders and populate it with those who HAVE any commit activity in the current code tree. I

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
. Mechanical solutions may be part of the disease, not the cure [;). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 08:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Greg Stein
solutions may be part of the disease, not the cure [;). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 08:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Rob Weir
: Thursday, April 04, 2013 08:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Dave Fisher wrote: Let's focus only on adding one new authz list for the code tree. Call it openoffice-coders and populate

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread janI
, not the cure [;). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 08:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Rob Weir
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Dave Fisher wrote: Let's focus only on adding one new authz list for the code tree. Call it openoffice-coders and populate it with those who HAVE any

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Joe Schaefer
-Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 08:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Dave Fisher wrote: Let's focus

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Rob Weir
, -Rob From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org To: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM, janI j

RE: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
security by limiting committer access in SVN [ ... ] But with OpenOffice, there was a two week period of time when we rapidly bootstrapped the community by making people committers automatically, on day 1. All they had to do is put their name on a wiki page and return an ICLA and they were committers

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Rob Weir
it work. But it should be extremely rare. -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:54 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-04 Thread Dave Fisher
be part of the disease, not the cure [;). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 08:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Dave

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Alexandro Colorado
I think restricting this would be a horrible idea, since we still have a shortage of developers. Limiting it by permissions and creating a red tape would be even more problematic. I think the key here is about the aproved releases. I don't really use windows, so I am not very familiar with the

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I think restricting this would be a horrible idea, since we still have a shortage of developers. Limiting it by permissions and creating a red tape would be even more problematic. I think the key here is about the

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread janI
On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We're starting to take a deeper look at what is required to integrate code signing into the OpenOffice build and release process. As you probably know operating systems, especially Windows and MacOS, are now checking for digital

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We're starting to take a deeper look at what is required to integrate code signing into the OpenOffice build and release process. As you probably know operating systems,

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 4/3/13 3:13 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We're starting to take a deeper look at what is required to integrate code signing into the OpenOffice build and release process. As you

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 4/3/13, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I think restricting this would be a horrible idea, since we still have a shortage of developers. Limiting it by permissions and creating a red tape would be even more

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Thorsten Behrens
janI wrote: But we have to very carefull not make it even harder to become/be committer, compare us a bit with LO, there I can have commit access within less than a day. Hi Jan, just to get this straight - we try hard to have your patch committed / initial feedback provided in a day. Getting

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Issac Goldstand
On 03/04/2013 16:13, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We're starting to take a deeper look at what is required to integrate code signing into the OpenOffice build and release process. As you

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: [...] On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: one change to our current process that will, I think, greatly increase security. This would be to restrict SVN authorization for the code I don't think this would greatly increase security, since the

RE: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Jürgen Schmidt wrote: [...] On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: one change to our current process that will, I think, greatly increase security. This would be to restrict SVN authorization for the code I don't

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Rob Weir
- Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 10:46 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN Jürgen Schmidt wrote: [...] On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: [...] On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: one change to our current process that will, I think, greatly increase security. This would be to restrict SVN authorization for

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread janI
On 3 April 2013 22:30, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: [...] On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: one change to our current process that will, I think, greatly

RE: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 13:17 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN [ ... ] It is not about trusting the committers

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Rob Weir
-Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 13:17 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN [ ... ] It is not about trusting the committers. It is about

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 03/04/2013 15:13, Rob Weir a écrit : 3) We have those who are voted in as committers and might access other, non SVN systems. They use their Apache ID's to write blog posts, access Pootle directly, or maybe even just the SMTP servers. But they never touch SVN at all. I'm one of these

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 04/03/2013 10:58 PM, schrieb janI: On 3 April 2013 22:30, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: [...] On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: one change to our current

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Dave Fisher
I'm going to top-post. I agree that this is a good idea, but I want to define it expansively as a positive. (1) The current authz that defines all of the AOO committers must be preserved. This is used to generate foundation information like:

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:58 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 3 April 2013 22:30, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: [...] On 3 April 2013 14:39, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Peter Junge
On 4/3/2013 9:05 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I think restricting this would be a horrible idea, since we still have a shortage of developers. Limiting it by permissions and creating a red tape would be even more problematic. I

Re: Proposal: Improve security by limiting committer access in SVN

2013-04-03 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Thanks, Rob, et al., On 13-04-03, at 22:22 , Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: One way of implementing this would be to look at all commits for the past 6 months (or 1 year?) and remove authorization on /trunk, /tag and /branches for those who have not made commits. But preserve