Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

--- > From: Damjan Jovanovic [mailto:dam...@apache.org] > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 00:17 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB? > > We can't really change the embedded DB, only add a new implementation - > compatib

RE: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

pendencies) in Base. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Damjan Jovanovic [mailto:dam...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 00:17 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB? We can't really change the embedded DB, only add a new

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e any three." I love the brass! > <http://sqlite.org/> > > -Original Message- > From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 14:05 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB? &

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Small. Fast. Reliable. Choose any three." I love the brass! <http://sqlite.org/> -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 14:05 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB? [

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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Max Merbald wrote: > Hello there, > > while the base module of AOO is not used all that often, it's the only > free database software. You may want to take a look at this page from Wikipedia. Not guaranteed of course. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fre

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

[ top posting ] We have gone off topic a bit from the initial subject of this thread. But please feel free to add comments on the original subject if you feel inclined. And, for those who have volunteered to continue helping with HSQL, thank you. On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Kay Schenk

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michael Lam wrote: > On 03/30/2013 04:30 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> On 29/03/2013 Reizinger Zoltán wrote: >> >>> 2013.03.29. 17:25 keltezéssel, Michael Lam írta: >>> I have been working on updating the HSQL to the latest version. I have most of the

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Hi Michael, On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 05:26:04PM -0400, Michael Lam wrote: > As fir the cws hsqldb19 branch, i did check through it and the > patches from there are currently being used. Beside that I didn't > see any relevant changes, for example the check for 1.8.x in the > configure script. I ran

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On 03/30/2013 04:30 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 29/03/2013 Reizinger Zoltán wrote: 2013.03.29. 17:25 keltezéssel, Michael Lam írta: I have been working on updating the HSQL to the latest version. I have most of the configure and build portion ready Thank you, Michael! While in general Base

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On 29/03/2013 Reizinger Zoltán wrote: 2013.03.29. 17:25 keltezéssel, Michael Lam írta: I have been working on updating the HSQL to the latest version. I have most of the configure and build portion ready Thank you, Michael! While in general Base sees less attention from developers, I suspect

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Mechtilde wrote: > Hello > > Am 29.03.2013 19:07, schrieb Kay Schenk: > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Reizinger Zoltán >wrote: > > > >> 2013.03.29. 17:25 keltezéssel, Michael Lam írta: > >> > >> On 03/28/2013 01:24 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > >>> > On We

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Hello Am 29.03.2013 19:07, schrieb Kay Schenk: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Reizinger Zoltán > wrote: > >> 2013.03.29. 17:25 keltezéssel, Michael Lam írta: >> >> On 03/28/2013 01:24 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak < and...@pito

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > 2013.03.29. 17:25 keltezéssel, Michael Lam írta: > > On 03/28/2013 01:24 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak < >>> and...@pitonyak.org> wrote: >>> >>> On 03/27/2013 04:57 PM, Kay Schenk

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2013.03.29. 17:25 keltezéssel, Michael Lam írta: On 03/28/2013 01:24 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak < and...@pitonyak.org> wrote: On 03/27/2013 04:57 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Well Derby does seem to be "embed-able ". See: http://db.apache.org/der

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On 03/28/2013 01:24 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak < and...@pitonyak.org> wrote: On 03/27/2013 04:57 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Well Derby does seem to be "embed-able ". See: http://db.apache.org/derby/**papers/DerbyTut/embedded_**intro.html

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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak < and...@pitonyak.org> wrote: > > On 03/27/2013 04:57 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > >> Well Derby does seem to be "embed-able ". See: >> >> http://db.apache.org/derby/**papers/DerbyTut/embedded_**intro.html

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On 03/27/2013 04:57 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Well Derby does seem to be "embed-able ". See: http://db.apache.org/derby/papers/DerbyTut/embedded_intro.html This has been suggested before, as early as 2006. See: http://markmail.org/message/kp5n2d5yzhprgpjm Still, is any embedded DB a good thing?

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red by the HSQLDB team might be an important factor: <http://hsqldb.org/web/openoffice.html>. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 17:10 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: questions about Base---do we nee

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Kay Schenk wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Donald Whytock wrote: Just tossing this out...It seems Apache Derby is the one SQL-based DBMS in the Foundation. It's actively maintained, and, while it's written in Java, it still works in a client/server model and is therefore probably lau

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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: > > On 27.03.2013 21:57, Kay Schenk wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Donald Whytock > wrote: > > > >> Just tossing this out...It seems Apache Derby is the one SQL-based > >> DBMS in the Foundation. It's actively maintained, an

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On 27.03.2013 21:57, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Donald Whytock wrote: > >> Just tossing this out...It seems Apache Derby is the one SQL-based >> DBMS in the Foundation. It's actively maintained, and, while it's >> written in Java, it still works in a client/server mode

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What was the original problem that we are trying to solve? >From what I can gather we have no idea how many people use Base. There's speculation that it's small, but unless it's measured, what does this mean? Also, there are some people who think that Base works for them and that it's critical for

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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Donald Whytock wrote: > Just tossing this out...It seems Apache Derby is the one SQL-based > DBMS in the Foundation. It's actively maintained, and, while it's > written in Java, it still works in a client/server model and is > therefore probably launchable. > >

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

Just tossing this out...It seems Apache Derby is the one SQL-based DBMS in the Foundation. It's actively maintained, and, while it's written in Java, it still works in a client/server model and is therefore probably launchable. Since it's in the family and all, perhaps it can be bundled with OOo,

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Hello there, while the base module of AOO is not used all that often, it's the only free database software. If, for example, you want one from Microsoft you need to buy the very much overpriced MS Office Professional. Well, I've used Base already and I find it handy for my personal needs. I'm

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Hi Kay, Kay Schenk schrieb: Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. [..] I don't really know who the author is, but, I too, had been giving this a great deal of thought. Does a user know what any of this really means, for example. And, including an embedded DB like HSQL puts

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

On 27 March 2013 17:12, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Guy Waterval >wrote: > > > Hi Andrew, > > Hi all, > > > > 2013/3/27 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak > > > > > > > > I like an embedded DB for those times that I desire a small DB for > small > > > data that is relational. Fo

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Guy Waterval wrote: > Hi Andrew, > Hi all, > > 2013/3/27 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak > > > > > I like an embedded DB for those times that I desire a small DB for small > > data that is relational. For larger data sets, the embedded DB is > > insufficient. > > > > In

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Le 26/03/13 14:52, Rob Weir a écrit : Hi Rob, > Some other interesting facts, most of which we're already familiar with: > > 1) Microsoft doesn't include Access in their base Office packages. So > on the one hand this means that most Office users don't use a > database, or they do lightweight d

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Le 26/03/13 00:39, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit : Hi all, > This is hard too guess. The majority of AOO users are Windows users, so > you can asume that the "average user" that tries Base with a MS Office > background, is looking for something like MS Access. I guess this was > what drove Sun to

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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Guy Waterval wrote: > Hi Rob, > Hi all, > > 2013/3/26 Rob Weir > >> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> > Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. I started >> looking >> > into the history of the Base component, who is using it

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Hi Andrew, Hi all, 2013/3/27 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak > > I like an embedded DB for those times that I desire a small DB for small > data that is relational. For larger data sets, the embedded DB is > insufficient. > Indeed, end users and a lot of little structures could take profit of a little

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Hi Rob, Hi all, 2013/3/26 Rob Weir > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. I started > looking > > into the history of the Base component, who is using it now (looked into > > Forums, users discussion list), and finally c

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I like an embedded DB for those times that I desire a small DB for small data that is relational. For larger data sets, the embedded DB is insufficient. I see that you specifically ask about an embedded DB, yet some of the answers are related to Base in general. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macr

RE: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB? [ ... ] Some other interesting facts, most of which we're already familiar with: 1) Microsoft doesn't include Access in their base Office packages. So on the one hand this means that most Office

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

On 26 March 2013 18:16, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jürgen Schmidt > >wrote: > > > > > On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir > wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jürgen Schmidt >wrote: > > > On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > > >> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 > > > > > > > > > yeah, g

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > Hi Kay, > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 03:58:06PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: > > Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. > > One of my favorites quotes about Base is from Andreas Säger (villeroy on > the forums): > > "The

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On 3/26/13 5:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 >>> >>> >>> yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add ano

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 > > > > > > yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft > > presentation t

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On 3/26/13 4:00 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 >> >> >> yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft >> presentation titled

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 > > > yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft > presentation titled 'how Microsoft Office is better than > OpenOfffice.o

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On 3/26/13 3:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> My ordered preference would be 1, 3 > > > yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft > presentation titled 'how Microsoft Office is better than > OpenOfffice.org" OO.

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > My ordered preference would be 1, 3 yeah, great *sarcasm*, let's add another bullet point to a microsoft presentation titled 'how Microsoft Office is better than OpenOfffice.org" OO.o lacks database? check!" My opinion is that maybe Sun pu

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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. I started looking > into the history of the Base component, who is using it now (looked into > Forums, users discussion list), and finally came upon the following FAQ > (edited a LOT just

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+1 to a survey. Also anecdotal descriptions and links to emails don't help much. Please list the relevant Bugzilla bugs here so those of us that care can look at fixing them. Damjan On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Fred Ollinger wrote: > Perhaps a survey question could be regarding this. How ma

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Mechtilde Hello, We need base with its easy way to connect to databases like mysql or postgresql especially under other OS's than Windows. we ourselves developed an extension based on this funktion for Law Offices in Germany There is no other free Office Suite which had a databse modul which

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

Ariel , Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. One of my favorites quotes about Base is from Andreas Säger (villeroy on the forums): "The difference between MS Access and Base amounts to several millions of Dollars and more than one decade of development time. Once you got

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

On 3/26/13 7:16 AM, Mechtilde wrote: > Hello, > > We need base with its easy way to connect to databases like mysql > or postgresql especially under other OS's than Windows. > > we ourselves developed an extension based on this funktion for Law > Offices in Germany > > There is no other free Of

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

Hello, We need base with its easy way to connect to databases like mysql or postgresql especially under other OS's than Windows. we ourselves developed an extension based on this funktion for Law Offices in Germany There is no other free Office Suite which had a databse modul which you can use t

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

Hi Kay, On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 03:58:06PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: > Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. One of my favorites quotes about Base is from Andreas Säger (villeroy on the forums): "The difference between MS Access and Base amounts to several millions of Dollars a

Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?

Perhaps a survey question could be regarding this. How many people use it? What features do they use? What features do they want. To MS Access users, it could be, feature(s) would get you to switch to AOOO for all DB needs? Fred On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > Hi