Re: Fwd: Re: Breach of confidentiality
Thank you Hagar, I'm not sure what you mean exactly with subscription to a lest and how this could help in removing my messages from the web. Please clarify how you guys intend to proceed. Thank you Renato Grampa Email sent via mobile service From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.del...@laposte.net] Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 11:59 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Grampa Renato, GB Subject: Fwd: Re: Breach of confidentiality Forwarded to OP. Renato, you're not subscribed to the list, you may have missed other replies. Hagar Message transféré Sujet : Re: Breach of confidentiality Date : Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:02:52 +0100 De :jan i j...@apache.orgmailto:j...@apache.org Répondre à :dev@openoffice.apache.orgmailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org Pour : dev dev@openoffice.apache.orgmailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org On 11 March 2015 at 19:38, Grampa Renato, GB renato.gra...@prysmiangroup.commailto:renato.gra...@prysmiangroup.com wrote: Sirs, You have made public one of my message without my authorization. Actually we (being the Apache Software Foundation) have not made anything public. You write (and worte) to a public mailing list, that automatically distribute your mail to all subscribers of that list as per normal policy. Some of the subscribers are Mail archive servers, which we do not own nor control. You list one example of such a server. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.openoffice.devel/18648 I highlight that the message contained a Confidentiality Notice that you have deliberately and blatantly breached. You are put on notice that intend to take legal actions against your organisation for this issue and for all direct and indirect damages you have caused. We take due note of your statement, and advice you to write to the owners of the mailing list archives instead. I ask you to remove immediately the message from the web and cancel it from your records by c.o.b. 16 March 2015. You need to contact the mail archive owner, you mail was, in full accordance with normal mailing list policy, sent to all subscribers. Rgds jan i. I await your confirmation before the above deadline. regards Renato Grampa CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments (if any) may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and it for the use of the intended recipient(s). No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any incorrect transmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please, delete it (and any copies of it) and kindly inform the sender of this e-mail by replying or going to www.prysmiangroup.comhttp://www.prysmiangroup.com http://www.prysmiangroup.com/ on contact us. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments (if any) may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and it for the use of the intended recipient(s). No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any incorrect transmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please, delete it (and any copies of it) and kindly inform the sender of this e-mail by replying or going to www.prysmiangroup.comhttp://www.prysmiangroup.com/ on contact us. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law.
Re: Fwd: Re: Breach of confidentiality
Renato, the mail address to which you wrote is that of a mailinglist which can be subscribed, and the mails written to this mailinglist are sent to the people who subscribed to the list. Also, the mails are archived online. Maybe you should have done a bit of research before yelling at the list or even before writing to it. The Openoffice folks responsible for the list did not do anything wrong. So why should they have to proceed in any way? It was your mistake, not theirs. Max (sorry, I've got to send this mail via another mail address as both Renato's mail server as well as that of the mailinglist seem to think that the IP of my SMTP mail server has ended up on a spam list which is VERY inconvenient) Am 14.03.2015 um 12:47 schrieb Grampa Renato, GB: Thank you Hagar, I'm not sure what you mean exactly with subscription to a lest and how this could help in removing my messages from the web. Please clarify how you guys intend to proceed. Thank you Renato Grampa Email sent via mobile service From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.del...@laposte.net] Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 11:59 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Grampa Renato, GB Subject: Fwd: Re: Breach of confidentiality Forwarded to OP. Renato, you're not subscribed to the list, you may have missed other replies. Hagar Message transféré Sujet : Re: Breach of confidentiality Date : Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:02:52 +0100 De :jan i j...@apache.orgmailto:j...@apache.org Répondre à :dev@openoffice.apache.orgmailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org Pour : dev dev@openoffice.apache.orgmailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org On 11 March 2015 at 19:38, Grampa Renato, GB renato.gra...@prysmiangroup.commailto:renato.gra...@prysmiangroup.com wrote: Sirs, You have made public one of my message without my authorization. Actually we (being the Apache Software Foundation) have not made anything public. You write (and worte) to a public mailing list, that automatically distribute your mail to all subscribers of that list as per normal policy. Some of the subscribers are Mail archive servers, which we do not own nor control. You list one example of such a server. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.openoffice.devel/18648 I highlight that the message contained a Confidentiality Notice that you have deliberately and blatantly breached. You are put on notice that intend to take legal actions against your organisation for this issue and for all direct and indirect damages you have caused. We take due note of your statement, and advice you to write to the owners of the mailing list archives instead. I ask you to remove immediately the message from the web and cancel it from your records by c.o.b. 16 March 2015. You need to contact the mail archive owner, you mail was, in full accordance with normal mailing list policy, sent to all subscribers. Rgds jan i. I await your confirmation before the above deadline. regards Renato Grampa CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments (if any) may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and it for the use of the intended recipient(s). No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any incorrect transmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please, delete it (and any copies of it) and kindly inform the sender of this e-mail by replying or going to www.prysmiangroup.comhttp://www.prysmiangroup.com http://www.prysmiangroup.com/ on contact us. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments (if any) may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and it for the use of the intended recipient(s). No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any incorrect transmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please, delete it (and any copies of it) and kindly inform the sender of this e-mail by replying or going to www.prysmiangroup.comhttp://www.prysmiangroup.com/ on contact us. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Re: Breach of confidentiality
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Wouldnt that just breach more confidentiality agreements? Person sends message with confidentiality tagline to a mailing list, issues legal challenge to shut down the whole World Wide Web. News at 11:00 FC
Re: Re: Breach of confidentiality
Wouldnt that just breach more confidentiality agreements? On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Forwarded to OP. Renato, you're not subscribed to the list, you may have missed other replies. Hagar Message transféré Sujet : Re: Breach of confidentiality Date : Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:02:52 +0100 De :jan i j...@apache.org Répondre à :dev@openoffice.apache.org Pour : dev dev@openoffice.apache.org On 11 March 2015 at 19:38, Grampa Renato, GB renato.gra...@prysmiangroup.com wrote: Sirs, You have made public one of my message without my authorization. Actually we (being the Apache Software Foundation) have not made anything public. You write (and worte) to a public mailing list, that automatically distribute your mail to all subscribers of that list as per normal policy. Some of the subscribers are Mail archive servers, which we do not own nor control. You list one example of such a server. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.openoffice.devel/18648 I highlight that the message contained a Confidentiality Notice that you have deliberately and blatantly breached. You are put on notice that intend to take legal actions against your organisation for this issue and for all direct and indirect damages you have caused. We take due note of your statement, and advice you to write to the owners of the mailing list archives instead. I ask you to remove immediately the message from the web and cancel it from your records by c.o.b. 16 March 2015. You need to contact the mail archive owner, you mail was, in full accordance with normal mailing list policy, sent to all subscribers. Rgds jan i. I await your confirmation before the above deadline. regards Renato Grampa CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments (if any) may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and it for the use of the intended recipient(s). No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any incorrect transmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please, delete it (and any copies of it) and kindly inform the sender of this e-mail by replying or going to www.prysmiangroup.com http://www.prysmiangroup.com/ on contact us. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614
Fwd: Re: Breach of confidentiality
Forwarded to OP. Renato, you're not subscribed to the list, you may have missed other replies. Hagar Message transféré Sujet : Re: Breach of confidentiality Date : Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:02:52 +0100 De :jan i j...@apache.org Répondre à :dev@openoffice.apache.org Pour : dev dev@openoffice.apache.org On 11 March 2015 at 19:38, Grampa Renato, GB renato.gra...@prysmiangroup.com wrote: Sirs, You have made public one of my message without my authorization. Actually we (being the Apache Software Foundation) have not made anything public. You write (and worte) to a public mailing list, that automatically distribute your mail to all subscribers of that list as per normal policy. Some of the subscribers are Mail archive servers, which we do not own nor control. You list one example of such a server. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.openoffice.devel/18648 I highlight that the message contained a Confidentiality Notice that you have deliberately and blatantly breached. You are put on notice that intend to take legal actions against your organisation for this issue and for all direct and indirect damages you have caused. We take due note of your statement, and advice you to write to the owners of the mailing list archives instead. I ask you to remove immediately the message from the web and cancel it from your records by c.o.b. 16 March 2015. You need to contact the mail archive owner, you mail was, in full accordance with normal mailing list policy, sent to all subscribers. Rgds jan i. I await your confirmation before the above deadline. regards Renato Grampa CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments (if any) may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and it for the use of the intended recipient(s). No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any incorrect transmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please, delete it (and any copies of it) and kindly inform the sender of this e-mail by replying or going to www.prysmiangroup.com http://www.prysmiangroup.com/ on contact us. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law.
Re: Breach of confidentiality
On 11 March 2015 at 19:38, Grampa Renato, GB renato.gra...@prysmiangroup.com wrote: Sirs, You have made public one of my message without my authorization. Actually we (being the Apache Software Foundation) have not made anything public. You write (and worte) to a public mailing list, that automatically distribute your mail to all subscribers of that list as per normal policy. Some of the subscribers are Mail archive servers, which we do not own nor control. You list one example of such a server. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.openoffice.devel/18648 I highlight that the message contained a Confidentiality Notice that you have deliberately and blatantly breached. You are put on notice that intend to take legal actions against your organisation for this issue and for all direct and indirect damages you have caused. We take due note of your statement, and advice you to write to the owners of the mailing list archives instead. I ask you to remove immediately the message from the web and cancel it from your records by c.o.b. 16 March 2015. You need to contact the mail archive owner, you mail was, in full accordance with normal mailing list policy, sent to all subscribers. Rgds jan i. I await your confirmation before the above deadline. regards Renato Grampa CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments (if any) may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and it for the use of the intended recipient(s). No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any incorrect transmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please, delete it (and any copies of it) and kindly inform the sender of this e-mail by replying or going to www.prysmiangroup.com http://www.prysmiangroup.com/ on contact us. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law.
Re: Breach of confidentiality
On 11/03/16 14:38, Grampa Renato, GB wrote: You have made public one of my message without my authorization. You sent your message to a publicly distributed mailing list. I'm aware that there are some legal jurisdictions, in which, in some circumstances, that which one normally thinks of as being public, can be construed as private. Nonetheless, I seriously that an email to public list, will, in any jurisdiction, qualify as private. But then, I am not a lawyer, so maybe I am wrong. Maybe there is a cyber-equivalent of that South African sex in the middle of the public highway is a private space case law, somewhere out there. I highlight that the message contained a Confidentiality Notice that you have deliberately and blatantly breached. Quoting from _your_ message «If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it.» I doubt that in any legal jurisdiction, any competent authority, will consider any subscriber to dev@openoffice.apache.org to be other than the intended recipient of this message. As such, no breach occurred. I don't know about the email you sent in June 2014, but the one I'm responding to lacks X-Archive headers. Whether or not they make a difference, legally, is debatable, but their absence implies that archiving is acceptable. I ask you to remove immediately the message from the web and From the web? That is a very tall request, especially considering that the places that archive the email sent to dev@openoffice.apache.org have no relationship to The Apache Software Foundation. Furthermore, those organizations that do archive messages, do not look at them, unless there is a formal request, following the directions on their website, to do so. What _you_ need to do, is individually contact each site, and request removal of that email. cancel it from your records by c.o.b. 16 March 2015. Wondering if you realize that the request made in this email is also going to be archived on half a dozen sites that have no relationship with The Apache Software Foundation. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Breach of confidentiality
You will want to refer to http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html before you make the personal choice to send any further messages to this public, archived mailing list. S. (I am just a member of the public who subscribes to the list along with around 450 other subscribers and public archivers) On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Grampa Renato, GB renato.gra...@prysmiangroup.com wrote: Sirs, You have made public one of my message without my authorization. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.openoffice.devel/18648 I highlight that the message contained a Confidentiality Notice that you have deliberately and blatantly breached. You are put on notice that intend to take legal actions against your organisation for this issue and for all direct and indirect damages you have caused. I ask you to remove immediately the message from the web and cancel it from your records by c.o.b. 16 March 2015. I await your confirmation before the above deadline. regards Renato Grampa CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments (if any) may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and it for the use of the intended recipient(s). No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any incorrect transmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please, delete it (and any copies of it) and kindly inform the sender of this e-mail by replying or going to www.prysmiangroup.com http://www.prysmiangroup.com/ on contact us. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law.
