Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-29 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Absolutely.
+1

2015-10-29 15:01 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Lange :

> +1 to this idea
>
> Jürgen Lange
>
>
> Am 27.10.2015 um 23:52 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>
>> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
>> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>>
>> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
>> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
>> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
>> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>>
>> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
>> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
>> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 27/10/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
4.1.2 Release announcement ...
I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
on the issue. Feedback welcome.


Seeing all feedback so far, I think the best solution is to include this 
only in the blog version of the announcement (in the blog we are usually 
more informal), not in the (shorter and more to-the-point) e-mails we 
will send to the lists.


And yes, of course, unrelated to this, we have many good/new topics to 
write about... It's time that someone else than Rob and me starts 
writing a few articles about development for the blog, it is more useful 
than one would expect.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread donaldupre .
Well said JZA, yet a mention in the release announcement is appropriate
only if the deceased worked on it directly. That's my 2 cents.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:41 AM, JZA  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt 
> wrote:
>
> > On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > > I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> > > 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
> > >
> > > "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> > > Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a
> key
> > > contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> > > this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
> > >
> > > I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather
> neutral
> > > on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> > > http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
> > >
> >
> >
> > my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
> > focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
> > addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
> > who passed away.
> >
> > People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
> > people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
> > focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.
> >
> > Juergen
> >
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> ​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
> companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
> have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
> is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
> participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.
>
> FLOSS communities like KDE, Gnome, etc, have struggled but also succeed in
> adressing the people behind it. This is just a great idea to do exactly
> that in our community.
>
> Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
> fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
> just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
> focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
> about exactly?
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
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>


Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 28/10/15 09:41, JZA wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
>>> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>>>
>>> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
>>> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
>>> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
>>> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>>>
>>> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
>>> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
>>> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>>>
>>
>>
>> my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
>> focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
>> addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
>> who passed away.
>>
>> People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
>> people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
>> focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.
>>
>> Juergen
>>
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> ​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
> companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
> have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
> is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
> participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.
> 
> FLOSS communities like KDE, Gnome, etc, have struggled but also succeed in
> adressing the people behind it. This is just a great idea to do exactly
> that in our community.
> 
> Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
> fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
> just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
> focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
> about exactly?
> 

I think you misunderstand me, I simply mean that we should keep it
separately. An announcement for a new release is about the release and
nothing else.

It can be possible to write about the people who are currently mainly
driving the project and remember people like Ian who passed away. But
again I would do this separately from a release announcement.

People like Damjan for example who really does a good job should be or
can be interviewed to learn about the motivation and work areas he
focusing currently.

Juergen









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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread JZA
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt 
wrote:

> On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> > 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
> >
> > "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> > Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> > contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> > this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
> >
> > I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> > on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> > http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
> >
>
>
> my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
> focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
> addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
> who passed away.
>
> People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
> people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
> focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.
>
> Juergen
>
>
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​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.

FLOSS communities like KDE, Gnome, etc, have struggled but also succeed in
adressing the people behind it. This is just a great idea to do exactly
that in our community.

Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
about exactly?

-- 
Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF


Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
> 
> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
> 
> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
> 


my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
who passed away.

People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.

Juergen


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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread O.Felka

+1


my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
who passed away.

People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.

Juergen


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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread Ian Lynch
Dear Andrea,

I am Ian's wife Rosemary, I monitor his emails regularly so I have just
seen your message.
It is nice for me to know that people remember Ian and appreciate the
contribution he made over the many years he was committed to the OpenOffice
Project. It is only through individuals from around the world each making
their own small contribution to the community that makes it all work.

Rosemary Lynch

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On 27 October 2015 at 22:52, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>
> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>
> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread Marcus

Am 10/28/2015 01:27 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

On 28/10/15 09:41, JZA wrote:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
wrote:


On 27/10/15 23:52, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like

"The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]

I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html




my personal opinion is that we should keep the release announcement
focused on the product. People behind and/or involved the project can be
addressed in a separate blog where we can also remember project members
who passed away.

People leave the project or became less active (including me) and new
people started to become more active and do more and more. I suggest to
focus on the new fresh blood that can make the difference in the future.

Juergen


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​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.

FLOSS communities like KDE, Gnome, etc, have struggled but also succeed in
adressing the people behind it. This is just a great idea to do exactly
that in our community.

Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
about exactly?



I think you misunderstand me, I simply mean that we should keep it
separately. An announcement for a new release is about the release and
nothing else.

It can be possible to write about the people who are currently mainly
driving the project and remember people like Ian who passed away. But
again I would do this separately from a release announcement.

People like Damjan for example who really does a good job should be or
can be interviewed to learn about the motivation and work areas he
focusing currently.


+1 I see it like Juergen. O course we should and must mentioned such 
topics. But it has nothing to do with a specific release.


Marcus


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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread Simon Phipps
+1.  While it is not specifically related to the release, it is a gesture
that builds community empathy and this is the first opportunity to make the
gesture.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
wrote:

> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>
> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>
> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread RA Stehmann
On 28.10.2015 09:41, JZA wrote:

> 
> Also the last line doesn't really make sense, how can we 'focus on the new
> fresh blood' exactly? You mean dedicating the release after some n00b who
> just got in the project, or writing a blog post about them... How can we
> focus on fresh blood if they havent done anything yet, what would we write
> about exactly?
> 
Writing blog posts about the people in the community, especially "fresh
blood" seems to be a good idea.

Kind regards
Michael




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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread FR web forum
>​I disagree with that view. To focus on the product, well we already have
>companies for that. We are not a company, we are a community. And we dont
>have 'products' we have 'projects'. The difference? well to start a project
>is something that people can participate, not only purchase. So people
>participation is key to the project. People are key to the project.

FYI, the french community has dedicated the 2.0.3 in memory to Frédéric Labbé:
http://archive.wikiwix.com/cache/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.openoffice.org%2Fdocs%2Ffrederic.htm

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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-28 Thread Rory O'Farrell
I think it is worthy to remember a deceased member of the community and note 
that he made a valued contribution to the project.

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Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-27 Thread Andrea Pescetti
I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the 
4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like


"The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian 
Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key 
contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier 
this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]


I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral 
on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at 
http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-27 Thread JZA
+1

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
wrote:

> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>
> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>
> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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RE: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

2015-10-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 also

> -Original Message-
> From: JZA [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 16:57
> To: dev <dev@openoffice.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement
> 
> +1
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> > 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
> >
> > "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> > Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a
> key
> > contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away
> earlier
> > this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
> >
> > I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather
> neutral
> > on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> > http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
> >
> > -
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> >
> 
> 
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> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
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