Re: annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
Why [Issue 4914] is not fixed New report opened: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126098 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
This ticket is dedicated to OOo 1.x and has its status fixed It isn't fixed! That is the problem. Setting this issue to FIXED without any change since 13(!) years offends anybody who is waiting for this feature. So after +150 comments, it's very difficult to read. Maybe, opening a new one for AOO 4.x will be better. To have the same discussion again? For the next 13 years? Sorry, don't understand your opinion. Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
Mathias asks, concerning [Issue 4914], Can any developer tell whether there is any progress since 2007 or explain, if there are technical limitations for it? +1 on that question. -- replying below to -- From: Mathias Röllig [mailto:mroellig.n...@gmx.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 03:22 To: Development AOO Subject: annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed Hallo! Can any developer tell whether there is any progress since 2007 or explain, if there are technical limitations for it? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=4914#c40 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer_Views In my opinion this feature should get a higher priority (if there is any at the moment). Regards, Mathias orcmid Mathias points the importance of progress on https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer_Views Agreed. [Issue 4914] is amazing. A feature request that gets 281 votes is certainly not trivial (either in importance or in difficulty to implement). That this has been lingering since 2002 is remarkable. I suspect this was closed as RESOLVED FIXED prematurely, apparently over confusion about what happens when print layout view is deselected. It's not a bug report but a feature-request issue. I am not clear whether confirmation is required, but it is easy to verify. The wiki page goes into more analysis. There probably needs to be an issue that depends on 4914 but that specifies exactly what is required for the specific requested view (excluding outline views, mind-mapping, etc., although users could do some of this themselves in early skeletal drafts, separate from automatic features for those purposes). I foresee three problems: 1. Defining exactly how the view is proposed to work from the user perspective, with possible iteration based on feasibility of development. I think https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer_Views#Draft_Layout is very close. 2. Coming up with a name that reflects the nature of the view without tying it to a specific use case. It will need to translate well too. (My first effort is Text Flow, thinking that Draft Text and Draft Layout are too use-case suggestive. I don't like my first thought. Better ideas are needed. Maybe Draft Text because layout niceties, especially columns and fitting of frames are not dealt with at that level.) 3. Identifying developers who are available and equipped to work in this area of the AOO code. I think that means identifying the necessary modifications, their integration, and their testing at the code level. Having someone with the capability and availability to undertake this is important. If that can include mentoring others in working on the code and documenting as necessary, even better. Item (3) seems very much to fall into the Priority #2 activity proposed by Andrea. It all depends on who is willing and capable to step up to this in competition with other activities such developers are attracted to. /orcmid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
On 02/11/2015 06:57 AM, Mathias Röllig wrote: This ticket is dedicated to OOo 1.x and has its status fixed It isn't fixed! That is the problem. Setting this issue to FIXED without any change since 13(!) years offends anybody who is waiting for this feature. So after +150 comments, it's very difficult to read. Maybe, opening a new one for AOO 4.x will be better. To have the same discussion again? For the next 13 years? Sorry, don't understand your opinion. Mathias Yes, I did indeed set this to fixed, and really I still don't understand why untoggling all views therefore producing just raw but formatted text doesn't provide what is asked for here. Maybe screen attachments to the issue would from other word processors that perform the needed function would help. -- - MzK An old horse for a long, hard road, a young pony for a quick ride. -- Texas Bix Bender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
@Kay, Why [Issue 4914] is not fixed: People still want to see the breaks (usually as horizontal rules), they just don't require columnar layout and some other provisions and they very much want smooth scrolling with no space between pages, no headings and footers, etc. They also want text reflow so no horizontal scrolling is required (except where it can't be avoided because of the width of material itself). This is all described in many of the comments that describe why the online view doesn't solve the problem. The Wiki page linked by Mathias provides a nice description of the different cases. What is called Draft Layout there is essentially about the use case that is frustrated (and has been ever since OpenOffice.org 1.x). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 09:36 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed [ ... ] Yes, I did indeed set this to fixed, and really I still don't understand why untoggling all views therefore producing just raw but formatted text doesn't provide what is asked for here. Maybe screen attachments to the issue would from other word processors that perform the needed function would help. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
This ticket is dedicated to OOo 1.x and has its status fixed So after +150 comments, it's very difficult to read. Maybe, opening a new one for AOO 4.x will be better. - Mail original - De: Mathias Röllig mroellig.n...@gmx.net À: Development AOO dev@openoffice.apache.org Envoyé: Mercredi 11 Février 2015 12:21:56 Objet: annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed Hallo! Can any developer tell whether there is any progress since 2007 or explain, if there are technical limitations for it? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=4914#c40 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer_Views In my opinion this feature should get a higher priority (if there is any at the moment). Regards, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
annotations to [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
Hallo! Can any developer tell whether there is any progress since 2007 or explain, if there are technical limitations for it? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=4914#c40 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer_Views In my opinion this feature should get a higher priority (if there is any at the moment). Regards, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
