Re: [dev] Error handling in OOo, shouldn't we show additional info.

2009-02-26 Thread Frank Schönheit
Hi Mikhail, The first idea was to provide information similar to the assertions. Each extension could use the macros wrapping the existing text and adding the file name and line number. Since usually the text is based on the constant string literal, the generation of the string would not

Re: [dev] Error handling in OOo, shouldn't we show additional info.

2009-02-26 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 02/25/09 15:51, Mikhail Voytenko wrote: This is of course nothing new, the discussions regarding better error-handling design can be seen regularly. But in our case, even an information, which exactly exception has caused the problem ( in our scenario there is a high probability that an

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Andre, Perhaps to use a build bots for CWS builds or for master builds here in Hamburg could be a solution. But my intension is to search for all requirements which are needed in build environment and want to find then a solution. And I do not want to nail down now, that we have to use build

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread Mathias Bauer
Thorsten Ziehm wrote: Hi Mathias, I do not see the need to bring the build bots near to the build environment here in Hamburg. The request for build bots was (as I know) to have builds in different environments to find build issues in these different environment. When these environment

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Thorsten Ziehm wrote: [...] 3. I want to have TestBots - or how ever you want to call it - with defined environment to check each CWS automatically or by manual trigger. On these BuildBots automated testing will run automatically on each CWS. and 6. It is needed to have builds

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: Thorsten Ziehm thorsten.zi...@sun.com Hi Andre, Hmm? What request is not valid? That QA communitiy shoud be able to get somehow reliable builds from buildbots to be able to do CWS tests? I will explain it again. I try to explain my

Re: [dev] Error handling in OOo, shouldn't we show additional info.

2009-02-26 Thread Mikhail Voytenko
Hi Frank, On 02/26/09 09:20, Frank Schönheit wrote: As much as I agree that error handling needs to be improved, I don't like the idea to pollute exception messages with information about the file where the exception happened. This information should be separated from the mere message, since

Re: [dev] Error handling in OOo, shouldn't we show additional info.

2009-02-26 Thread Mikhail Voytenko
Hi Stephan, On 02/26/09 09:28, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 02/25/09 15:51, Mikhail Voytenko wrote: This is of course nothing new, the discussions regarding better error-handling design can be seen regularly. But in our case, even an information, which exactly exception has caused the problem (

Re: [dev] Error handling in OOo, shouldn't we show additional info.

2009-02-26 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Mikhail, My intention was to allow user provide the developer with information that identifies the source of the error. That's understood. It would be useful in case of problems that appear once a year, and look to be mysterious from the first view. Ugly is a taste-related comment,

Re: [dev] Error handling in OOo, shouldn't we show additional info.

2009-02-26 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: (If I had a wish, I'd vote for changing UNO incompatibly, and adding a Stack member to the css.uno.Exception class instead. Oh, well, just dreaming :) Hi Frank, nah, please stick to that, there *must* be something out there that *is*

Re: [dev] Error handling in OOo, shouldn't we show additional info.

2009-02-26 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 02/26/09 14:01, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: While it is helpful to you as a developer when somebody gives you a screeshot reading Access denied. foobar.cxx, line 134, it is certainly not at all helpful for the average end user who does not intend to send you the screen

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Thorsten Ziehm schrieb: *No* TestBots are *not* the solution for getting reliable builds. TestBots are the solution for running automated tests on reliable builds. For 'testing' you can take every build you want. I haven't seen builds of all build bots, but you can use that versions

Re: [dev] Error handling in OOo, shouldn't we show additional info.

2009-02-26 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Stephan, Even if there happen to be exception instances where the exception message is designed to be meaningfully presented to an end user (do you indeed use localized exception messages?) (yes, indeed, we do) this is not true for the majority of exception instances (where the

[dev] Re: buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread Mechtilde
Hello André Schnabel schrieb: Hi, Thorsten Ziehm schrieb: Ok - the discussion started, because Mechtilde told Stephan Bergman that there are problems with builds from the buildbots, if we want to do CWS testing on such builds. The reason to bring this up was because community members

Re: [dev] Re: buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Mechtilde schrieb: And today evening I started the buildbot ubuntu-7.10 to create a build OOO310_m3 to create a list of diferences between the HH-build and the build from the build bot. The first difference I found was that it was impossible to get a build. Nice one :) So I am a