RE: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-05 Thread Allen Pulsifer
 When a developer contributes code to the C# compiler or the 
 Mono runtime engine, we require that the author grants Novell 
 the right to relicense his/her contribution under other 
 licensing terms.
 
 This allows Novell to re-distribute the Mono source code to 
 parties that might not want to use the GPL or LGPL versions 
 of the code.

Thank you for the example.  I have to respect the fact the Novell is being
very honest and open about it.  Conversely, when discussing the JCA, Sun
studiously avoids mentioning the fact that the JCA allows Sun to relicense
contributions under any license it choose, including a commercial license.
Here for example is this same pattern of avoidance right here in your post:

 In OpenOffice.org the JCA is required only for code 
 contributed to the core product so that in case a relicencing 
 might become necessary or desirable (e.g. a licence change 
 from LGPLv2 to (L)GPLv3) this can be done easily.

I think these discussion are very valuable, so that contributors, potential
contributors and users can all understand the license terms and its
implications.

Allen


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Re: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-05 Thread Charles-H. Schulz

Allen,
Le 5 févr. 08 à 21:00, Allen Pulsifer a écrit :


Heck, even the FSF does that...


You're telling me that the FSF will not accept contributions to an  
open
source project unless it is given an assignment of copyright that  
allows it
to license the contribution under any terms it wants, including a  
commercial

license?  Please direct me to the web page at fsf.org that says this.



You're mixing two things here: license and copyright. The very fact of  
owning the copyright automatically gives you the right to relicense  
the software covered by your copyright under any terms you wish, and  
this applies to the FSF just like anybody. What the FSF does not do,  
of course is to develop its software under a dual license of course.  
What I'm saying about the FSF applies to every software that is called  
GNU, or more exactly the software projects that have given their  
copyright to the FSF (i.e, the GNU project): https:// 
savannah.gnu.org/  (check the copyright notices of the software)


I'm surprized that you didn't know this, Allen. By the way, what I'm  
describing (copyright) is exactly what allows a company like MySQL to  
have a dual license strategy (GPL + commercial license)


Best,
Charles.




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Re: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-05 Thread Martin Hollmichel

https://www.fsf.org/licensing/assigning.html
https://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/why-assign.html

Martin


Allen Pulsifer wrote:

Heck, even the FSF does that...


You're telling me that the FSF will not accept contributions to an open
source project unless it is given an assignment of copyright that allows it
to license the contribution under any terms it wants, including a commercial
license?  Please direct me to the web page at fsf.org that says this.

Allen


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