Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Stephan, > My gut feeling (admittedly) is that it is not too uncommon that some > poor (inexperienced) soul pastes some stretch of its (default) build > output into a mail to d...@ooo crying for help on why their build break, > and the details of the executed command lines do give us clues t

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Stephan, > (And having three ways to request something > would be worse than having two ways, which already is worse than having > only one way. So while we are at it, if you stick with an environment > variable, what good is it to additionally have the dmake switch?) Consistency, for one. S

Re: [dev] Planned outage: EIS not available on 2009-10-23 07:30h - 08:00h MEST

2009-10-22 Thread Frank Mau
Outage ended Thank you, Frank Frank Mau schrieb: Hi, we scheduled an outage for half an hour for the external EIS Friday, 23th October, 07:30 a.m. - 08:00 a.m. MEST (means UTC +2) No updates will be recognized during the outage so please stay tuned for further updates, thank you. Cheers Fr

[dev] Re: [project leads] Re: [discuss] Call for Nominations for Community Council Election

2009-10-22 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Hi, first of all thank you Cor for your trust in me that i would be an eligible candidate. I needed some days to think about the nomination to be sure that i am motivated, have the time and that i have the open and global view on the project that is necessary. And what is more important from my

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/22/09 15:12, Thorsten Behrens wrote: I admit that you're likely one of those special cases where there _will_ be build breakages caused by solenv & invocation details, at least as long as you're working on the OOo layering; but won't you agree that the majority of devs are unaffected by thi

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Stephan Bergmann wrote: > Yes, I know. A bit lame to not step in earlier. However, I had not > been aware that you would make it the default to produce less > information, so thought this would not really affect me and hence > had kept my thoughts about those activities to myself... > Hi Stephan

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Stephan, > Too much trouble. (Plus, I will definitely not globally set an > environment variable "VERBOSE" to anything. Who knows what strange side > effect that would have on completely unrelated programs. If you had at > least named it "OOO_VERBOSE"...) I think we can easily change thi

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/22/09 13:33, Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: IMO, that should be reason to rather spend energy in improving the precision of the output than in suppressing useful output. I expected this earlier from you :) Yes, I know. A bit lame to not step in earlier. However, I h

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Stephan, > IMO, that should be reason to rather spend energy in improving the > precision of the output than in suppressing useful output. I expected this earlier from you :) Since our definitions of "useful" differ in this context, I suggest you set VERBOSE=TRUE in your login script, where

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/22/09 12:46, Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Christian, If you need to use some magic environment variable to see why the build did broke, the default is wrong. My 0,02€. I think so, too. Sure. Unfortunately my experience is that with the parallel builds, and the u

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Christian, > The bots should use that - if not, complain at the admins of the > corresponding bots. Okay, will have a look on this when I next time have a build problem on a bot. > If you need to use some magic environment variable to see why the > build did broke, the default is wrong. My 0,

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Frank, *, On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: > >> build --html --dontgraboutput >> that way the output will not be interleaved > > Hmm, never tried that, and admittedly somehow cannot believe that the > output of the different processes is /not/

Re: [dev] build verbosity

2009-10-22 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 08:07 +0200, Frank Schoenheit, Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: > The more verbose the output is, the more difficult > it is to actually find the line which *caused* the error, not just the > error message, simply because all those parallel processes output is mixed. One possi

[dev] Re: [discuss] Re: [project leads] Call for Nominations for Community Council Election

2009-10-22 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Christoph, all, Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi everyone! André, thank you very much for your trust to nominate me. To make it short: I'm happy to say that I agree. Great to read this - there are few people I know with your aptitudes in the OOo project. I really believe in the whole commun