Re: [OSM-dev] dev server down?

2008-05-02 Thread Grant Slater
> Not sure if anyone's aware but the dev server appears to have been down > (can't > access via http or ssh) all day Friday. > Yes are aware. I am going first thing in the morning to fix. Regards Grant ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-dev] dev server down?

2008-05-02 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hello everyone, Not sure if anyone's aware but the dev server appears to have been down (can't access via http or ssh) all day Friday. Nick ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Mikel Maron
From: Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In part it's an entirely selfish attitude in as much as that Adobe > show no signs of wanting to support flash on 64 bit linux which means > that I am left having to rely on the free players or struggling to > use the 32 bit flash plugin via a kludgy wrappe

Re: [OSM-dev] Advice sought on polygon-with-hole drawing

2008-05-02 Thread Stefan Keller
Frederik and all, Is there now a distinct description on the OSM Wiki, how polygons are defined in OSM? (e.g. self-intersections allowed? inner holes?) And: Outer boundaries seem to be encoded simply by the fact that first and last point have the same coordinates(?). But how are inner boundaries

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
bvh wrote: > On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 03:37:57PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> The other one is that it would be good if the getway call, in > > Just curious : what does this call actually do in fact? Just gets a way and its tags, and all its nodes and their tags. http://trac.openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:03 PM, bvh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 03:37:57PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > The other one is that it would be good if the getway call, in > > Just curious : what does this call actually do in fact? > something similar to way//full, bu

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread bvh
On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 03:37:57PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > The other one is that it would be good if the getway call, in Just curious : what does this call actually do in fact? cu bart ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
> The key aspect of this that prefers AS1 over AS3 is that ... we can do > it! :) Open Source tools are used in the compilation of Potlatch, and so > long as that is the case, we have the ability to do fancy setups like > this without having to worry about Adobe chasing us down with license >

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
> -- AS1 / AS3 > > Dave - I think your definition of donkey balls might be different to > mine. ;) Or rather, when you've been sucking horse balls for several > years then donkey balls don't seem very different. > > Er, I should probably rephrase that. > Yeah, I don't think the relative merits of

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Christopher Schmidt
(My response here is developer-oriented; sent only to dev, and not to talk.) On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 03:37:57PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > The other one is that it would be good if the getway call, in > particular, could exist in _both_ SQL and Rails forms in the code, > with a switch c

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
SteveC wrote: > Also to broaden the debate a bit - one area potlatch can improve a > lot, and something we want to help, is editing existing data. Go to a > random area of the US and try using Potlatch to improve TIGER data, > especially in non-street-grid areas. You'll quickly figure out some > t

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Thanks for some really helpful and interesting responses. (Thanks especially to Tom C for a very valuable perspective.) -- API The API has come up a lot. I've said before and will happily restate now that I think it would be great to get Potlatch talking Rails on the serverside, rather tha

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread SteveC
On 2 May 2008, at 12:38, Christopher Schmidt wrote: > Some things don't require referential integreity: selecting ways/nodes > within a bounding box can't hurt the referential integrity of the > database (so long as the code is well-maintained), so the harm in > converting those methods (which are

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread SteveC
On 2 May 2008, at 10:52, Dave Stubbs wrote: > From what Richard said it implies to me that any new editor would be > open source, but you'd have to ask CloudMade.. who as yet haven't > actually made any statement at all on the whole issue... probably a > sensible plan of action given your po

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 12:27:38PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > > I won't pretend that I know nearly as much about the rails code as you > > do, but it seems like some of these would be better abstracted out. If > > that were the case -- that is, that all the Rails code on the site used > > the same

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread SteveC
Richard I'm sorry you think informal private chats are now in the public domain, I'll keep it in mind. All This is not quite what happened. For a start, this doesn't really have anything to do with CloudMade, it started a long time before that. It's about the maintainability and quality o

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christopher Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 08:35:06AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: >> To summarise I think we both want the same thing, but you perhaps >> think somebody should just sit down and bang an AMF version of the >> current

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 08:35:06AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > To summarise I think we both want the same thing, but you perhaps > think somebody should just sit down and bang an AMF version of the > current XML API and I'm happy with trying to incrementally move > towards that position? Well, I do

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Yann
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/5/2 Yann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Well, a couple of questions. > > - Is cloudmade the same company with which SteveC tried to put > > advertising on openstreetmap a year ago, putting it online without asking > > any

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 08:25:04AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Christopher Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 12:18:58AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > >> Well I assume the client app would make a request to /api/0.5/user/token > >>

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/5/2 Yann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well, a couple of questions. > - Is cloudmade the same company with which SteveC tried to put advertising > on openstreetmap a year ago, putting it online without asking anybody > before, arguing it was because of money issue which proved wrong after a > couple

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Tom Hughes wrote: >Sent: 02 May 2008 9:51 AM >To: dev@openstreetmap.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch > >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> For most purposes AS3 probably is a better language - except for the

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [warning - long ponderous e-mail follows!] > > Hi all, > > A fairly weighty issue concerning the future of Potlatch has arisen, > and I'm completely baffled as to what to do - so I thought I'd "ask the > community" for

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For most purposes AS3 probably is a better language - except for the > fairly major proviso there's no open-source player even in development. As far as I'm concerned this is quite a key point, although I know

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christopher Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2> On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 12:24:35AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> "Tom Carden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > I think the fact that it has its own API is a much bi

Re: [OSM-dev] The future of Potlatch

2008-05-02 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christopher Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 12:18:58AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: >> Well I assume the client app would make a request to /api/0.5/user/token >> or something with noraml username+password HTTP authentication and get