Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database (was: relations)

2008-11-05 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Erik Johansson wrote: Real mappers don't document; their tags are enough. Wannabe mappers read documentation and follow templates. So how should you become a mapper if there is no documentation. There is a lack of people who are willing to write something on the wiki, not too many. there

Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database (was: relations)

2008-11-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Sebastian Spaeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Johansson wrote: Real mappers don't document; their tags are enough. Wannabe mappers read documentation and follow templates. So how should you become a mapper if there is no documentation. There is a lack of

Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database (was: relations)

2008-11-05 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:57:07AM +, Andy Allan wrote: [...], which triggered a virulent campaign by the wiki-types to repeatedly delete the information that I had put up, [...] Who exactly are the wiki-types you mention? IMO there shouldn't be the wiki-types and the mappers, those should

Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database (was: relations)

2008-11-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Allan wrote: I've been hit by it a few times, and one specific case that annoys me greatly. I invented a tag by using it (OMG!!), and then even rendering it. Other people started using it. Then the wiki-types made up their own alternative tag without making any reference to the existing

Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database (was: relations)

2008-11-05 Thread OJ W
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Matt Amos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there have been occasions when real mappers have documented their tags on the wiki, only to have the wiki pages overwritten by someone else's better

Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database (was: relations)

2008-11-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Sascha Silbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:57:07AM +, Andy Allan wrote: [...], which triggered a virulent campaign by the wiki-types to repeatedly delete the information that I had put up, [...] Who exactly are the wiki-types you

Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database

2008-11-05 Thread Ben Supnik
Hi Y'all, I am a little bit concerned about what some of you all are saying, in particular its effect on new users. Having been working on OSM now for about 3 days (writing Wiki articles, processing map extracts, and fixing a few roads in my neighborhood for fun), this is my perspective as

Re: [OSM-dev] source code for josm ewmsplugin?

2008-11-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: where's the source code of ewmsplugin.jar? I see svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/wmsplugin but grep -r ewms ../ finds nothing. Yes that's misleading; the wmsplugin source is actually what makes the ewmsplugin! We just didn't remove the

Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database

2008-11-05 Thread Tom Hughes
Ben Supnik wrote: As a new user, my source for answers is going to be: 1. What the tools do/make easy. If potlatch gave me a red flag and said you must add tag X before continuing, I would have done it. :-) 2. What is in the map _locally_ (in the spatial sense). 3. What the Wiki

Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database

2008-11-05 Thread Matthias Julius
Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can agree that people changing already used standards on the wiki can be interesting. But if someone documents something on the wiki and says that is a standard is that really a problem, as long as there is nothing there at the moment? Just one

Re: [OSM-dev] source code for josm ewmsplugin?

2008-11-05 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes that's misleading; the wmsplugin source is actually what makes the ewmsplugin! We just didn't remove the old wmsplugin binary yet so that Oh! Where are the scripts I need to create ewmsplugin.jar from those sources? I think if I run ant I will get

Re: [OSM-dev] source code for josm ewmsplugin?

2008-11-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Oh! Where are the scripts I need to create ewmsplugin.jar from those sources? I think if I run ant I will get wmsplugin.jar. Yes, and currently whoever checks in the ewmsplugin.jar does a rename beforehand. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL

Re: [OSM-dev] source code for josm ewmsplugin?

2008-11-05 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, and currently whoever checks in the ewmsplugin.jar does a rename beforehand. Thanks for confirming this. So the binary ewmsplugin.jar in SVN has been compiled from current head of plugins/wmsplugin/ and the binary wmsplugin.jar in SVN has been

Re: [OSM-dev] Relation bounding boxes

2008-11-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Amos wrote: what is the bounding box of a relation? I like your idea 1 best: 1) adding or removing nodes or ways from a relation causes them to be added to the changeset bounding box. adding a relation member or changing tag values causes all node and way members to be added to the

[OSM-dev] Last Login

2008-11-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, on talk-de someone just asked whether we could have some sort of last login for OSM users, so you get a chance to see if they're still active. If that's not available already, a method for querying changesets by user and time would be great. Even if we don't expose it on the API we

Re: [OSM-dev] The wiki defines the database

2008-11-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The genius of a good crowd sourced project (and OSM is very good) is that the data being sourced AND the encoding model itself are BOTH crowd sourced. It is true that not every crowd-sourced project has this; some just have a fixed structure and expect

[OSM-dev] osm2pgsql make failing

2008-11-05 Thread Richard Chirgwin
Hi from a new user. osm2pgsql is failing on make: /usr/lib/libpq.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' /usr/lib/libpq.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' /usr/lib/libpq.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' /usr/lib/libpq.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'

Re: [OSM-dev] osm2pgsql make failing

2008-11-05 Thread Stephan Plepelits
On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 06:21:47PM +1100, Richard Chirgwin wrote: Hi from a new user. osm2pgsql is failing on make: /usr/lib/libpq.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' /usr/lib/libpq.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' /usr/lib/libpq.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL

[josm-dev] help for building JOSM with Eclipse

2008-11-05 Thread G. Allegri
Hello everyone. Could anyone give me a help for setting up the JOSM development environment in Eclipse? I've right checked out the source code, and then I've simply created an Eclipse project using the JOSM root (with source, test, images, etc., subfolders), as indicated in [1]. The build process

Re: [josm-dev] help for building JOSM with Eclipse

2008-11-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, G. Allegri wrote: Could anyone give me a help for setting up the JOSM development environment in Eclipse? Here's a screenshot of my setup. Does it help? http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/eclipse.png Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33