Re: [OSM-dev] licensing question
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 21:55, Jim Burt jimb...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, I'm interested in using OpenStreetMap for an internally facing website for my company (no public access). This is going to be a small app with very limited users and page views. I've reviewed the licensing, and this appears to be acceptable use. Can anyone confirm this? Yes, I'm also pretty sure that you can just completely ignore the license since you're only using the data within your own organization. The licence only kicks in when you're doing re-distribution to third parties. (See e.g. Google's use of Linux, they don't re-distribute their changes, and don't have to) ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] licensing question
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I'm also pretty sure that you can just completely ignore the license since you're only using the data within your own organization. The licence only kicks in when you're doing re-distribution to third parties. (See e.g. Google's use of Linux, they don't re-distribute their changes, and don't have to) That's a feature of the license, not of licensing schemes. A license may have any number of terms in. It might say that any changes (internal or not) are required to be redistributed back to the upstream provider. This is a term that the original Plan 9 license had, for example. The issue of Redistribution is complicated by the fact that various licenses use the term and some use other terms. For example the term is removed from GPLv3 and replaced with the word Convey, which is defined[1]. The ODbL also uses the term Convey and defines it differently and then uses the term Re-utilization to mean something similar to what GPLv3 calls Convey. The various licenses have various terms of usage, and I think what you (Ævar) are referring to is that GPL says in section 9 that acceptance of the license isn't required for anything other than modification and conveyance. But that's a feature of the GPL's wording. Similarly ODbL (and I'm only using ODbL because it's more clear)'s section 4 has fewer requirements for internal use than public use. In other words, the OP does have to comply to the license internally, but the burden of doing so for internal use is very low. - Serge [1] Defining what might otherwise seem straightforward terms is pretty common in contracts and actually clarifies what might otherwise be murky waters. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] licensing question
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, I'm also pretty sure that you can just completely ignore the license since you're only using the data within your own organization. The licence only kicks in when you're doing re-distribution to third parties. Could you point out in the license text where own organization and third party are defined and where it says that CC or BY do not apply for the first ? One point is to say as soon as it stays internal, any license terms infringement will not be visible. Another is to say that the license does not apply inside organisations. And yes, it's the wrong list for such discussion. Have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contact for the legal talks. Pieren ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] licensing question
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: A license may have any number of terms in. It might say that any changes (internal or not) are required to be redistributed back to the upstream provider. This is a term that the original Plan 9 license had, for example. It might, but then, that clause might not be enforcible, any more than a clause in a coloring book which says you aren't allowed to color the grass red. This of course could vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction as well. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] licensing question
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:31, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I'm also pretty sure that you can just completely ignore the license since you're only using the data within your own organization. The licence only kicks in when you're doing re-distribution to third parties. Could you point out in the license text where own organization and third party are defined and where it says that CC or BY do not apply for the first ? Copyright law covers distribution. As long as you're not distributing a work to third parties you don't have to worry about it. If you haven't signed a contract nobody can force you to adhare to a license for a copyrighted work until you start distributing it. I can scribble on my Sunday newspaper without caring about copyright, but if I distribute it to other people I have to start worrying. The same thing applies to corporations. The Sunday Newspaper Inc. can distribute a proprietary third-party image around their office while they're deciding what to do with it. They don't have to worry about contacting someone else for royalties until they put it in print and thus start distributing the work to third parties. So I don't see why someone couldn't completely ignore the CC-BY-SA when using OSM for personal or intra-office use. They're not re-distributing anything, so the licenes doesn't apply. The above is just my understanding of copyright law. I'm not a lawyer and it may all be BS. But as far as I can see it's backed up by several examples in the wild. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Revert of changesets
On 18 July 2010 23:37, Dan Karran d...@karran.net wrote: Please could somebody revert the recent changesets by http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tomgus as they all appear to be destructive. Not sure if it's intentional or accidental at this point. I have just contacted the user, and haven't heard back yet. I didn't hear back from this user, and they haven't done any editing since. If someone could revert http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5254725 (deleting stuff from Whitehall) that'd be great. I should look into how to do these myself :) Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Revert of changesets
On 5 August 2010 14:16, Dan Karran d...@karran.net wrote: On 18 July 2010 23:37, Dan Karran d...@karran.net wrote: Please could somebody revert the recent changesets by http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tomgus as they all appear to be destructive. Not sure if it's intentional or accidental at this point. I have just contacted the user, and haven't heard back yet. I didn't hear back from this user, and they haven't done any editing since. If someone could revert http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5254725 (deleting stuff from Whitehall) that'd be great. I should look into how to do these myself :) Done. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5408153 / Grant ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Revert of changesets
On 5 August 2010 14:26, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 5 August 2010 14:16, Dan Karran d...@karran.net wrote: On 18 July 2010 23:37, Dan Karran d...@karran.net wrote: Please could somebody revert the recent changesets by http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tomgus as they all appear to be destructive. Not sure if it's intentional or accidental at this point. I have just contacted the user, and haven't heard back yet. I didn't hear back from this user, and they haven't done any editing since. If someone could revert http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5254725 (deleting stuff from Whitehall) that'd be great. I should look into how to do these myself :) Done. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5408153 Thanks Grant :) Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM and Java 6
Sebastian Klein wrote: I guess we also need a message box for Java 5 users trying to run JOSM = 3378. Currently it shows only the generic This is always a coding error-Box. Done. (In [3417]) The following classes need to be Java 5 compatible for this message box to show up: JOSM org.openstreetmap.josm.gui.Main org.openstreetmap.josm.gui.MainApplication org.openstreetmap.josm.tools.I18n. (@Override for interfaces implementations is OK.) All other classes shouldn't be a problem. Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [OSM-dev] licensing question
Hi, On 5 August 2010 14:08, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I'm also pretty sure that you can just completely ignore the license since you're only using the data within your own organization. The licence only kicks in when you're doing re-distribution to third parties. (See e.g. Google's use of Linux, they don't re-distribute their changes, and don't have to) That's a feature of the license, not of licensing schemes. A license may have any number of terms in. It might say that any changes (internal or not) are required to be redistributed back to the upstream provider. This is a term that the original Plan 9 license had, for example. There are conditions in which the organisation will be considered the user of the data, and not the individuals in the organisation. Similarly the organisation can be party to the ODbL contract instead of an employee. Surely one of these conditions is that the employment contracts of all the employees oblige them to protect the company's ip and obey contracts the company has with others (and most employment contracts do say that). So in these conditions, as Ævar says, they can do whatever they want internally. IMO On that note the debian free software guidelines do include a test that can be applied to a license text that ensure users don't have to do anything unless they redistribute the binaries for example (the desert island test). Cheers ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] licensing question
El día Thursday 05 August 2010 16:27:49, andrzej zaborowski dijo: On that note the debian free software guidelines do include a test that can be applied to a license text that ensure users don't have to do anything unless they redistribute the binaries for example (the desert island test). And we have the cake test, inspired by the DFSG: http://blog.okfn.org/2010/03/15/the-cake-test-of-freedom/ -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es una televisión ni un microondas: es una herramienta compleja. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] licensing question
2010/8/5 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es And we have the cake test, inspired by the DFSG: http://blog.okfn.org/2010/03/15/the-cake-test-of-freedom/ But the cake is a lie. Emilie Laffray ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] troubles installing osm2pgsql on Mac OS X 10.6: make fail
Hello Dane, I'll be sure to check out homebrew in the morning. I also don't mind uninstalling macports, at least temporarily (with my experience level, I don't recall what I installed it for initially) to get this thing up. For the lines you mentioned, here is the full printout (no luck this round): $ PATH=/Library/Frameworks/GEOS.framework/unix/bin/:/usr/local/pgsql/bin/$PATH \ CFLAGS=-I/usr/include -I/Library/Frameworks/PROJ.framework/unix/include \ LDFLAGS=-L/usr/lib -L/Library/Frameworks/PROJ.framework/unix/lib/ \ ./configure make checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed checking for g++... g++ checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile config.status: creating config.h config.status: config.h is unchanged gcc -o osm2pgsql UTF8sanitizer.o expire-tiles.o input.o keyvals.o middle-pgsql.o middle-ram.o osm2pgsql.o output-gazetteer.o output-null.o output-pgsql.o pgsql.o rb.o reprojection.o sprompt.o text-tree.o build_geometry.o -g -O2 -Wall -Wextra -I/opt/local/include/libxml2 -I/opt/local/include -I/usr/local/pgsql/include -DVERSION=\0.69-22560\ -DHAVE_PTHREAD -DOSM2PGSQL_DATADIR=\/usr/local/share/osm2pgsql\ -L/opt/local/lib -lxml2 -lz -lpthread -liconv -lm -L/opt/local/lib -lgeos -L/usr/local/pgsql/lib -lpq -lbz2 -lz -g -lproj -lstdc++ -lpthread ld: warning: in /opt/local/lib/libxml2.dylib, file is not of required architecture ld: warning: in /opt/local/lib/libz.dylib, file is not of required architecture ld: warning: in /opt/local/lib/libiconv.dylib, file is not of required architecture ld: warning: in /opt/local/lib/libgeos.dylib, file is not of required architecture ld: warning: in /opt/local/lib/libbz2.dylib, file is not of required architecture ld: warning: in /opt/local/lib/libproj.dylib, file is not of required architecture Undefined symbols: _pj_transform, referenced from: _coords_to_tile in reprojection.o _reproject in reprojection.o geos::io::WKTReader::WKTReader(geos::geom::GeometryFactory const*), referenced from: _parse_wkt in build_geometry.o geos::geom::GeometryFactory::createLinearRing(geos::geom::CoordinateSequence*) const, referenced from: _build_geometry in build_geometry.o _build_geometry in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_split in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_simple in build_geometry.o _xmlCleanupParser, referenced from: _main in osm2pgsql.o geos::geom::GeometryFactory::~GeometryFactory(), referenced from: _build_geometry in build_geometry.o _build_geometry in build_geometry.o _parse_wkt in build_geometry.o _parse_wkt in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_split in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_split in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_simple in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_simple in build_geometry.o _xmlFreeTextReader, referenced from: _main in osm2pgsql.o geos::io::WKTReader::read(std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar const), referenced from: _parse_wkt in build_geometry.o _pj_get_def, referenced from: _project_init in reprojection.o _xmlReaderForIO, referenced from: _sanitizerOpen in UTF8sanitizer.o _inputUTF8 in input.o _gzclose, referenced from: _inputClose in input.o _xmlTextReaderName, referenced from: _main in osm2pgsql.o _gzopen, referenced from: _inputOpen in input.o geos::geom::Coordinate::equals2D(geos::geom::Coordinate const) const, referenced from: _get_wkt_split in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_simple in build_geometry.o _gzread, referenced from: _readFile in input.o geos::geom::GeometryFactory::createMultiLineString(std::vectorgeos::geom::Geometry*, std::allocatorgeos::geom::Geometry* *) const, referenced from: _build_geometry in build_geometry.o geos::geom::Coordinate::Coordinate(double, double, double), referenced from: _build_geometry in build_geometry.o coords2nodes(geos::geom::CoordinateSequence*, osmNode**) in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_split in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_simple in build_geometry.o geos::geom::Coordinate::distance(geos::geom::Coordinate const) const, referenced from: _build_geometry in build_geometry.o _get_wkt_split in build_geometry.o _xmlTextReaderGetAttribute, referenced from: _ParseAction in osm2pgsql.o _StartElement in osm2pgsql.o _StartElement in osm2pgsql.o _StartElement in osm2pgsql.o _StartElement in osm2pgsql.o _StartElement in osm2pgsql.o _StartElement in osm2pgsql.o
Re: [OSM-dev] troubles installing osm2pgsql on Mac OS X 10.6: make fail
Updated questions regarding this topic: -If I uninstall macports, do I need to reinstall all the related libraries? (I installed some from source, and some from binaries found at http://www.kyngchaos.com/software:frameworks, none with macports that I am aware of) -Homebrew looks like a ruby on rails tool. I'm still reading up on it, but how would you compile something using this tool? -Doing some checking, I see that /opt/local/lib/libiconv.dylib and /opt/local/lib/libbz2.dylib do not exist. Are these required even though the output says, 'Id: warning: in /opt/local/lib/libiconv.dylib, file is not of required architecture' -Should I re-install everything from source or with a different recommended tool (Homebrew)? Chris -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/troubles-installing-osm2pgsql-on-Mac-OS-X-10-6-make-fail-tp5374153p5377929.html Sent from the Developer Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] troubles installing osm2pgsql on Mac OS X 10.6: make fail
Sorry, one more update. 'file is not of required architecture' just clicked in the brain. Are these the libraries I need to re-install first? -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/troubles-installing-osm2pgsql-on-Mac-OS-X-10-6-make-fail-tp5374153p5377934.html Sent from the Developer Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Download invalid xml data with bbox request
Every now and then I run into some invalid xml document being downloaded when I request data with a bounding box like http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=9.97014,53.57199,10.02984,53.59460 The downloaded xml document contains a section where the response looks like it is starting a second xml document within the first xml response. Any idea why this is happening? Thanks, Thomas .snip.. node id=835615933 lat=53.5901994 lon=10.0080467 user=!i! uid=25720 visible=true version=1 changeset=5331741 timestamp=2010-07-27T17:38:32Z tag k=leisure v=pitch/ tag k=sport v=multi/ /node node id=835615953 lat=53.5905807 lon=10.0156611 user=!i! uid=25720 visible=true version=1 changeset=5331741 timestamp=2010-07-27T17:38:32Z tag k=amenity v=fa?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? osm version=0.6 generator=CGImap 0.0.2 bounds minlat=53.5719900 minlon=9.9701400 maxlat=53.5946000 maxlon=10.0298400/ node id=15738670 lat=53.5900548 lon=10.0131039 user=ajeba uid=167616 visible=true version=5 changeset=4448816 timestamp=2010-04-17T15:30:16Z tag k=highway v=traffic_signals/ /node node id=15915165 lat=53.5944770 lon=9.9987421 user=ajeba uid=167616 visible=true version=12 changeset=4170629 timestamp=2010-03-19T14:37:24Z/ ...snip ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[josm-dev] Windows-Installer: default projection is WGS84
Hi, I just tried the windows installer and it creates the following default preference file: projection=org.openstreetmap.josm.data.projection.Epsg4326 layerlist.visible=true selectionlist.visible=true commandstack.visible=true propertiesdialog.visible=true osm-server.url=http://www.openstreetmap.org/api laf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.windows.WindowsLookAndFeel plugins=openstreetbugs;remotecontrol;validator;wmsplugin Especially interesting is the first line, where it puts WGS84 as default projection. Why is that? Shall we change it to JOSM's default projection (Mercator - EPSG:3857)? I would trim this file to laf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.windows.WindowsLookAndFeel plugins=openstreetbugs;remotecontrol;validator;wmsplugin everything else takes a proper default value. (Which was not always the case, so I understand it used to be necessary in the past.) Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
