[OSM-dev] Way-Geometra history [was: api question]
Am 12.08.2010 00:39, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: Is there a way to get a full way for an old version? It is complicated because matching nodes have to be retrieved. The XAPI can do it, see: Its the no. 1 show stopper for a history viewer -- for obvious reasons. We should* extend osmosis to process a history file using the linestringbuilde, so it could generate a table with one geometry for each minor-version of the way. Peter *I'll have a look at it myself but it's a complex task and it would be better to have more than one person working on a solution. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] aviation maps? - conclusion
Dear All, Thank you for all the valuable information regarding the aviation map topic on the list. How I see it, the following would be the solution for what I'm looking for: - I'd need to host my own OSM server, using the rails port, as described here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/The_Rails_Port there I could store the aviation maps, separate from the 'offical' OSM map database - I'd use Mapnik, as described here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik to render the map into bitmaps. to handle the specialties of aviation map artifacts, I'd need to create rendering rules within Mapnik (?) - looking at the map would be via an overlay, so that a 'usual' OSM map is but underneath, for visual navigation. - for layers / airport approach charts, maybe something similar needs to be used as OSMTransport, http://3liz.fr/public/osmtransport/ - does anyone know what technology is being used here? Again, thank you for all the input! Akos ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] minute diff - max delay
Hi all Is there a maximum delay time the minute diffs can have? Here for example: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/minute-replicate/000/439/ At 11:54 there is a 15 minute delay. lg, Bernhard ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[josm-dev] WMS requiring an EULA acceptance
Dear josm-devs, In my country, we have a commercial imagery supplier which is ready to open its images but only for the OSM project (licencing issues fixed). For that, they will set-up a WMS for a limited coverage during an experimental period and want to check that only allowed clients are accessing the data by checking the user-agent (on which only the OSM editors could be accepted and others rejected of course). The main concern is about a special handling of the WMS. They want that a contributor using the WMS the first time shall read and accept an EULA (End User License Agreement). Again this is just to inform people that they are only allowed to use the imagery for OSM and nothing else. Of course, the whole process can be bypassed by anyone who really want to access the WMS but this is a demand from the lawyers. The EULA would be available in two languages but could be extended later. Then I'm asking you to check if this demand is possible and how it could be solved. I don't want to fork the WMS plugin just for that, so my idea is that the plugin could be modified in a way that the special WMS URI could be identified as such in the Java code (hardcoded) and would raise the EULA acceptance dialog automatically the first time (stored somewhere is different languages). I could implement that myself but I would have your feedback first to see if this is the right way to go. Pieren ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [OSM-dev] aviation maps? - conclusion
Am 12.08.2010 13:23, schrieb Ákos Maróy: - I'd use Mapnik, as described here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik to render the map into bitmaps. to handle the specialties of aviation map artifacts, I'd need to create rendering rules within Mapnik (?) dependent on the complexity of data a openlayers vector layer would probably be the better choice. It does not suffer from expire/rerender issues and is less hassle to set up. Its the same technique that's used on http://3liz.fr/public/osmtransport/. Peter ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] aviation maps? - conclusion
Peter, On 12/08/10 16:32, Peter Körner wrote: Am 12.08.2010 13:23, schrieb Ákos Maróy: - I'd use Mapnik, as described here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik to render the map into bitmaps. to handle the specialties of aviation map artifacts, I'd need to create rendering rules within Mapnik (?) dependent on the complexity of data a openlayers vector layer would probably be the better choice. It does not suffer from expire/rerender issues and is less hassle to set up. Its the same technique that's used on http://3liz.fr/public/osmtransport/. I see - can you give more background on this tool - where can I find the tool itself, for example? Akos ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] aviation maps? - conclusion
http://www.openlayers.org/ On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Ákos Maróy a...@maroy.hu wrote: Peter, On 12/08/10 16:32, Peter Körner wrote: Am 12.08.2010 13:23, schrieb Ákos Maróy: - I'd use Mapnik, as described here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik to render the map into bitmaps. to handle the specialties of aviation map artifacts, I'd need to create rendering rules within Mapnik (?) dependent on the complexity of data a openlayers vector layer would probably be the better choice. It does not suffer from expire/rerender issues and is less hassle to set up. Its the same technique that's used on http://3liz.fr/public/osmtransport/. I see - can you give more background on this tool - where can I find the tool itself, for example? Akos ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] aviation maps? - conclusion
John, On 12/08/10 17:04, John Smith wrote: On 13 August 2010 00:54, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: http://www.openlayers.org/ That would be for displaying, they could still use OSM tools to convert or create data, eg JOSM, but instead of uploading to a server they could then convert OSM files to a KML file which openlayers can handle. oh, I see now. so basically this layer feature works on KML files.. thanks for the info. Akos ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] aviation maps? - conclusion
On 13 August 2010 01:05, Ákos Maróy a...@maroy.hu wrote: oh, I see now. so basically this layer feature works on KML files.. That isn't the only way to do it, just a way to do it. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] OS LandForm Panorama (contour data) parsing tools?
Hi, I'm interested (depending on how much work is involved - as I'm focusing on OpenTrailView at the moment), as I belive one or two others have done, in overlaying OS Landform Panorama contours and OSM footpaths on VectorMap District data. To save effort, are there any open source scripts available for parsing the LandForm Panorama data out there? e.g. converting the DXF format into shapefiles, or populating a database? Thanks, Nick ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [josm-dev] Error messages in Josm
Jonas Stein wrote: i just had a problem with josm. A friend tried to reproduce the steps and got a different (translated) message. I suggest to add errorcodes and not to translate error messages as things get very improper. Errormessages could start with WW: warning II: information EE: error That could help to filter information. Fatal: seems to be not the best word to describe the situation. Example JOSM will not stop working for german users: Fatal: failed to locate image 'markers/Bus Station.png'. This is a serious configuration problem. JOSM will stop working. Fehler: Das Bild 'markers/Bus Station.png' konnte nicht geladen werden. Das ist ein schwerwiegendes Konfigurationsproblem. Sounds reasonable, but as there are hundreds of error messages, (some maybe not shown a single time, yet), it would be a significant burden for the developers to follow some rule here. Not the content of the rule would be a problem, but the fact that it has to enforced and explained to other people. You might think, he is just looking for an excuse, and you are right. ;) Currently, you have at least some differentiation: EE: error - this is always a coding error, please file a bug report-window pops up WW: warning - Message on the console starting with Warning or Error or Fatal II: information - everything else on the console Your particular case with a missing marker image is clearly a bug as the error is not fatal and JOSM will run just fine. But if there is e.g. a preset image missing, you *want* that message all over the screen, so it can be fixed asap! Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [Talk-GB] OS LandForm Panorama (contour data) parsing tools?
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 16:15 +0100, Nick Whitelegg wrote: To save effort, are there any open source scripts available for parsing the LandForm Panorama data out there? e.g. converting the DXF format into shapefiles, or populating a database? DXF is supported by the gdal (ogr) tools since version 1.7.0. The contour information can be extracted into a shapefile by converting the G8040201 layer: $ ogr2ogr sy08.shp sy08.dxf -where Layer=G8040201 The resulting shapefile will be in OSGB projection like the rest of the OS data. Information on the other available layers can be found in the Landform Panorama user guide, linked from [1]. Jon 1: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#Land-Form_PANORAMA ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] minute diff - max delay
bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: Is there a maximum delay time the minute diffs can have? Here for example: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/minute-replicate/000/439/ At 11:54 there is a 15 minute delay. Files with data for 10 minutes or more are quite frequent since some time now. This causes e.g. the TRAPI servers to stop to serve data because they have no actual data. http://datenkueche.com/osmlive/ is quite useless because it replays the same data again and again. Norbert ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Komяpa wrote: 2) fires.Kosmosnimki.ru have provided us access to their realtime satellite imagery. That imagery [...] consists of thousands of layers. [...] Now, we need a convenient way to load that imagery into josm. An extenstion to josm-remote that will load specified WMS URL will be just fine. What do you want to implement? A Web page to select a layer and load it into JOSM? Currently the WMS plugin needs a configuration entry for every WMS server (and every layer). I don't know how much work it would be to implement a remote interface for (temporarily?) adding the necessary configuration and automatically loading the new WMS layer. For now I suggest you generate and display the WMS URL for the selected layer in the format required by JOSM. Then the user can copy and paste it into JOSM's configuration as needed. It's not as user friendly as you intended but it's the best you can do with the current version of JOSM and WMS plugin. (I resend this via nabble because my original message sent via webmail interface did not show up on the list.) Bodo -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/WMS-and-remote-control-tp5413841p5415372.html Sent from the JOSM Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
What do you want to implement? A Web page to select a layer and load it into JOSM? Yes. Currently the WMS plugin needs a configuration entry for every WMS server (and every layer). I don't know how much work it would be to implement a remote interface for (temporarily?) adding the necessary configuration and automatically loading the new WMS layer. Except for configuration window (F12-WMS), WMS plugin has menu item WMS-Rectified Image, that lets user quickly add a layer by WMS URL. What's needed is a way to access this functionality from a webpage. -- Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski xmpp:m...@komzpa.net mailto:m...@komzpa.net ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Error messages in Josm
i just had a problem with josm. A friend tried to reproduce the steps and got a different (translated) message. I suggest to add errorcodes and not to translate error messages as things get very improper. Errormessages could start with WW: warning II: information EE: error That could help to filter information. Fatal: seems to be not the best word to describe the situation. Example JOSM will not stop working for german users: Fatal: failed to locate image 'markers/Bus Station.png'. This is a serious configuration problem. JOSM will stop working. Fehler: Das Bild 'markers/Bus Station.png' konnte nicht geladen werden. Das ist ein schwerwiegendes Konfigurationsproblem. please comment, -- Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS requiring an EULA acceptance
Pieren wrote: It could be a WMS customization (blocking the images delivery if the user-agent is not in the white list), I don't know this part well enough to answer. Matthias is right. You cannot rely on the client program. It is easy to change the user agent. see http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ Matthias Meißer wrote: so best would be to let mappers somewhat register by mail/osm PM/.. so they can check who is online. During this step it is necessary to accept the EULA. Pieren wrote: The things you suggest have been studied in details with their lawyers and they found this solution as a compromise (no user accounts to manage, simplicity, etc). Just click 'OK' on the text asking you to use the imagery for OSM only. Sounds reasonable. With this simplicity they won't get any security. As I already said you cannot rely on the client program. I saw in the WMS plugin that you can specify cookies. (I don't know if it works correct.) Maybe the user can go to their website to accept the license. The user will get a string that he has to copy and paste to his WMS configuration as a cookie specification. The WMS server can reject requests without a known cookie. (But without other checks some cookies will sooner or later be known to everyone.) Or the website can create an individual URL after accepting the license. The user can select the WMS - rectified image option and paste the URL. (similar security problems here, maybe the URL can be restricted to a specific IP address and could expire when unused for some time...) Bodo -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/WMS-requiring-an-EULA-acceptance-tp5416309p5416706.html Sent from the JOSM Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS requiring an EULA acceptance
Pieren wrote: Dear josm-devs, In my country, we have a commercial imagery supplier which is ready to open its images but only for the OSM project (licencing issues fixed). For that, they will set-up a WMS for a limited coverage during an experimental period and want to check that only allowed clients are accessing the data by checking the user-agent (on which only the OSM editors could be accepted and others rejected of course). The main concern is about a special handling of the WMS. They want that a contributor using the WMS the first time shall read and accept an EULA (End User License Agreement). Again this is just to inform people that they are only allowed to use the imagery for OSM and nothing else. Of course, the whole process can be bypassed by anyone who really want to access the WMS but this is a demand from the lawyers. The EULA would be available in two languages but could be extended later. Then I'm asking you to check if this demand is possible and how it could be solved. I don't want to fork the WMS plugin just for that, so my idea is that the plugin could be modified in a way that the special WMS URI could be identified as such in the Java code (hardcoded) and would raise the EULA acceptance dialog automatically the first time (stored somewhere is different languages). I could implement that myself but I would have your feedback first to see if this is the right way to go. Generally, it should be possible to include something like this in the main wms plugin. Hardcoding some URLs might also be acceptable (but I don't think it is needed). There are always older versions of the wms plugin out there in use. These older versions would not know about this blacklist and would simply ignore the EULA enforcement. You might want to demand a certain parameter in the URL (like ...user=openstreetmap) just to sort out the older clients. When reading the list of defaults [1], wms plugin ignores each line that has more than 2 semicolons in it. You can exploit this, to create your own custom format. E.g. the first string could be the name of the custom format EULA-1.0, followed by the necessary parameters. When extending the plugin, make it ignore lines with unknown format. I would imagine it like this: * You open josm preference and select the entry from the defaults. * A message box pops up, informing you that it is necessary to accept an EULA for using the service. * If you click OK, it would download the EULA text from an external website (possibly translated) and present it in another dialog. * Save in the preferences that EULA has been accepted. [1] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/wmsplugin/sources.cfg Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS requiring an EULA acceptance
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Bodo Meissner b...@bodo-m.de wrote: Matthias is right. You cannot rely on the client program. It is easy to change the user agent. see http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ Again, the idea is not to build up a fortress. It is well known that if someone really want to catch the images, he will be able to do so anyway. The request to show and accept the uela is coming from the jurists, I cannot change that. What I would like to know is if it is possible and how I could do it in JOSM/WMS plugin without disturbing the main stream. Pieren ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS requiring an EULA acceptance
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.comwrote: I would imagine it like this: * You open josm preference and select the entry from the defaults. * A message box pops up, informing you that it is necessary to accept an EULA for using the service. * If you click OK, it would download the EULA text from an external website (possibly translated) and present it in another dialog. * Save in the preferences that EULA has been accepted. Sounds reasonable for me. If nobody is against this proposal, I will look to implement it in the plugin. Thank you for your support, Pieren ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WMS and remote-control
Komяpa wrote: Hi all, 1) Due to Landsat WMS being down and overloaded usually, we've set up a caching WMS proxy for it. JOSM URL is http://irs.gis-lab.info/?layers=landsat; Please consider updating JOSM defaults. Do you want it to show up in the list on the bottom, or make it installed by default instead of the standard landsat URL? Are you sure, you can handle the traffic? The list of wms services [1] can be edited and is loaded by each wms client on startup. However you cannot force people to delete an entry from their menu, once it has been added it to their bookmarks. [1] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/wmsplugin/sources.cfg 2) fires.Kosmosnimki.ru have provided us access to their realtime satellite imagery. That imagery is not mosaiced, and consists of thousands of layers. We've made a WMS gateway to it. Now, we need a convenient way to load that imagery into josm. An extenstion to josm-remote that will load specified WMS URL will be just fine. Hope somebody will write it, as I'm no java coder, unfortunately. There are some security issues when the browser has too much control over the client software. If you extend josm-remote this way, I suggest you fork it. (No offence intended, might be useful for some.) Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
