Re: [OSM-dev] helping #switch2osm
Hello I'm the person Mikel was helping (thanks Mikel!) and I joined the list to give my thoughts to this discussion. I think you have a couple of different types of people you may want to think about here. 1. IT/devops I fall into this category. The project I'm working on will require us to have our own tile server that takes planet_osm, processes it and produces updates to our client devices. Other people that fall into this category will be anyone who wants to build their own GIS database from planet_osm, for whatever reason. They'll also want to generate and serve tiles. My major problem all through this process has been the vast amounts of helpful and conflicting information. You'll note that the process I was following to get a working PostGIS database populated with planet_osm, was compiled by someone else and was not hosted at OSM. That process also is flawed and needed a bunch of other things to make it work. My suggestion for either a chef recipe, a juju charm, a puppet script, or insert your configuration tool of choice here was meant to fix this situation. If someone wants to set up a PostGIS OSM database, it should be a repeatable process that is easy to do and scalable across multiple *nix platforms. (I won't address Windows here as that's a whole other can of worms). Taking that idea a step further, if we were to provide a canned VM in KVM or Xen formats that provides not just the host OS, but preconfigured Postgres, PostGIS, an imported planet_osm, and then perhaps a choice of mapnik, mod_tile, tilestache, or any of the other plethora of tile generation and serving options, that would be an IDEAL way to summon IT/devops folks who want to build their own map server infrastructure. The last thing this needs is some really good documentation and recommendations for WHAT to do. There are enough options out there especially for tile generation and serving, that there needs to be a good discussion of what you would want to use and why. 2. Maps developers and users I'm not as familiar with the needs here but I think you are going to want to do things like what MapBox is doing with Tilemill and what Cloudmade is doing. The same comments I made above about recommendations of what you want to use and why need to be easily accessible. Happy to continue this discussion. I would be interested in participating in development of both recipes and VMs. Roger Weeks On Jan 13, 2012 3:37 AM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Over the past couple days, I gave some assistance to someone setting up their own tile infrastructure. They mostly got along on their own, following http://weait.com/content/build-your-own-openstreetmap-server, and picking through the wiki, but they definitely could've had an easier time. And we should expect more of this soon, and we want this! Nestoria and StreetEasy switching, the Wired article. Just the beginning. Yes. The time when people are recognising the power of OSM is here. We should welcome everyone. How do we help folks get their tile servers up and running even easier. Here's some suggestions we discussed... 1) Clear instructions, at an easily findable address (outside the wiki, which is hard to follow) (anyone register switch2osm.com? or tryosm.org). Should include some description of the different options, with links for getting into the details ... but at least a clear guide through the well worn path of setting up a tile server. 2) A packaged solution, like a chef recipe, to install everything needed. 3) A VM image for an open source virtualization package, that has everything installed. May not necessarily be for production, but at least make it easy to try things out. 4) Might be an overkilling idea, why not some quick screen casts? I guess videos will be more easier to grasp than guides. Would the EWG be the place to get this together? Cheers Mikel == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] helping #switch2osm
Mapnik not being in git is just one of the many issues with this doc. For example, mapnik, if you get the current build from git, won't compile under Ubuntu 10.04. You've got to go back and get an earlier 2.0 version or add a PPA and get packages that other people have created. The libboost versions of 1.40 don't work with 2.0 versions of mapnik either. You need at least 1.41 but those packages aren't available for 10.04, so you need to add a PPA for 1.42 versions. If you try and build this on a newer version of ubuntu you run across other similar package and software version problems. Ubuntu 11.10 comes with Postgres 9 and there are enough changes there that I was unable to get a PostGIS server with Mapnik working. All of this is why I suggested that a chef recipe, a juju charm, and a pre-configured VM would all be ideal ways to prevent this sort of thing from happening. Roger On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:38 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: On 12/01/2012 22:10, Ian Dees wrote: During the book sprint last year I put together Richard's blog post and some stuff related to renderd/tirex to create this chapter in the book: http://en.flossmanuals.net/**openstreetmap/setting-up-your-** own-tile-server/http://en.flossmanuals.net/openstreetmap/setting-up-your-own-tile-server/ It should be fairly complete and copy-pasteable. I'd be more than happy to make changes if anyone sees errors. One thing that I have noticed is that Mapnik source isn't in svn any more: mapniksvn: Repository moved permanently to 'https://github.com/mapnik/** mapnik https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik'; please relocate The problem is larger than just that one issue though - things get updated all the time, and there isn't (as far as I'm aware) a stable version of the required software in one place that works now and will stay working when Mapnik upgrades to version x+1 or someone updates mod_tile to support more environments. Cheers, Andy __**_ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/devhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev -- Roger Weeks Director of Engineering ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] helping #switch2osm
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: If I was following some documentation that says to use a particular version of something (say, Mapnik 0.7.1) I wouldn't expect to be able to use some random newer version and expect to still be able to follow the instructions. If the documentation was updated to say and here's where you get the version of Mapnik that these instructions were written for, and that was somewhere that wasn't at the mercy of a third-party project changing version control systems, then we'd be in the best of all possible worlds. If I was following some instructions that pointed to a SVN repository that was moved to git, and then did not contain any version prior to 2.0 of the said software, I would also try the next available version since 0.71 isn't available. What I had to do was finally find a PPA for Ubuntu 10.04 that has the 0.72 branch of Mapnik, because I couldn't get any of the 2.0 versions to compile. ... and a pre-configured VM would all be ideal ways to prevent this sort of thing from happening. which would work, except that given the hardware needed to serve a map, a VM is probably not ideal for most people. Who are most people? Are you really saying that most people will build things on static hardware? Especially people who are trying out new software to see if it works for them? I heartily disagree, and I think an OVF of a preconfigured map server that already HAS the planet_osm file imported into postgis would be not only extremely useful but would get you a lot more people taking the mapserver for a spin. It also doesn't explain how to get OSM running on a server that's already installed doing something else. There are off-the-shelf black-box solutions out there already, but they don't explain the integration process any - which is exactly whathttp://en.flossmanuals.net/** openstreetmap/setting-up-your-**own-tile-server/http://en.flossmanuals.net/openstreetmap/setting-up-your-own-tile-server/ and before it http://weait.com/content/**build-your-own-openstreetmap-**serverhttp://weait.com/content/build-your-own-openstreetmap-server do extremely well. I hate to disagree, but I don't think they do this extremely well. I think the documentation is feasible but has flaws and every time something changes in the build infrastructure, this will happen again. Today, if you follow these instructions, you can't actually build a map server based on them. On the other hand, if you provided a modified version of these pretty good instructions, along with a chef recipe / juju charm that builds it for you; or if you provided the instructions and a VM that lets you take them and start up a map server with less effort and hacking than is now required, you would be in a much better place. Roger Weeks ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] helping #switch2osm
Michal Migurski has build this tool, which is pretty close to what I was tallking about: http://linode.teczno.com/~migurski/tiledrawer/ It builds a map server for you on an EC2 instance or other machine running Ubuntu 11.10. I'm trying it out now, will give more specifics once it's done and ready to use. Roger Weeks On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Parveen Arora m...@parveenarora.inwrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: We should try and get more of the rendering tool stack into the standard repositories of Ubuntu and Feodora. That would probably make it easier to install a tile server. There are already a bunch of osm programs in the ubuntu repositories (e.g. josm and osm2pgsql, although the later is rather old), but programs like mod_tile, renderd and tirex are still missing. I wanted to see if I can do that, but then didn't get around to it. So if anyone else wants to try this it would be great. However, to get it into the next long term release 12.04, one would probably need to do this very soon. Hi Kai, I am interested to o this task to include it in the Ubuntu repositary, moreover we can also provide a add on feature of customised map tiles according to the choice of the users rather than the default tiles. Please let me know what should I need to do and what should I need to know? Thank You. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] helping #switch2osm
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Sajjad Anwar sajja...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Roger Weeks ro...@tethr.org wrote: Michal Migurski has build this tool, which is pretty close to what I was tallking about: http://linode.teczno.com/~migurski/tiledrawer/ It builds a map server for you on an EC2 instance or other machine running Ubuntu 11.10. I'm trying it out now, will give more specifics once it's done and ready to use. This looks promising. I'll also give it a shot. TileStache is another awesome project by Michal Migurski http://tilestache.org/, which is an easy to use, Python based tile server. Just a note: his tiledrawer project does use TileStache to serve the tiles once they are generated. Roger ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
