Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-13 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Dienstag 12 Oktober 2010, 23:11:35 schrieb Frank Steggink: +1 for such a separation of responsibilities of nodes and point features. IMO this would also be beneficial for line and polygon features. Features should be cleanly separated from their geometries, which is not currently the case.

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-13 Thread Andreas Kalsch
Please don't make end users change too much on the next update! I think the current data model is pretty OK, it is more a data data model than a sematical one. And I think we should keep it like that ;) Andi Am 12.10.10 21:45, schrieb Chris Browet: I am wondering (I wonder a lot lately ;-))

[OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-13 Thread Andreas Kalsch
+1 This is the point Am 12.10.10 22:33, schrieb Alan Millar: Frankly, one of the main problems with the classic GIS shapefile-style data paradigm is that it does not give you good topological connectivity information, and therefore is inadequate for OSM's multi-use data model. If you think

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-13 Thread SteveC
Bugs API built-in, front page clean up, splitting the db across multiple machines, matts space station worldwide triangle system of infinity... (ask matt) Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:53 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 October 2010 05:49, SteveC

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-13 Thread SteveC
Fair point, but then I'm putting the C in RFC. Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:49, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Seems like there are far more interesting things to do than that. Most probably, but

[OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Chris Browet
I am wondering (I wonder a lot lately ;-)) if some have already given a thought to the fact that nodes actually represent 2 different concepts in the current api: - a node in the geometrical sense, i.e. used to define a linestring/way - a POI Wouldn't keep the node element only for POI (i.e. with

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread SteveC
Seems like there are far more interesting things to do than that. On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Chris Browet wrote: I am wondering (I wonder a lot lately ;-)) if some have already given a thought to the fact that nodes actually represent 2 different concepts in the current api: - a node in

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 October 2010 05:49, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Seems like there are far more interesting things to do than that. I'm curious to know what exactly you had in mind... ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Chris Browet
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:49, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Seems like there are far more interesting things to do than that. Most probably, but the point is not prioritization, it is RFC about the idea. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Lennard
On 12-10-2010 21:45, Chris Browet wrote: Seems to me that it would: - be less confusing, both for consumers and editors Implementation details like this should be hidden from consumers by the editors anyway. - save db space I'm wondering why you think it will save db space? Your idea

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Chris Browet wrote: I am wondering (I wonder a lot lately ;-)) if some have already given a thought to the fact that nodes actually represent 2 different concepts Yes, this is something that has been discussed on and off for at least two years. I know because we mentioned in the first

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: I am wondering (I wonder a lot lately ;-)) if some have already given a thought to the fact that nodes actually represent 2 different concepts in the current api: - a node in the geometrical sense, i.e. used to define a

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 12/10/2010 20:45, Chris Browet wrote: I am wondering (I wonder a lot lately ;-)) if some have already given a thought to the fact that nodes actually represent 2 different concepts in the current api: - a node in the geometrical sense, i.e. used to define a linestring/way - a POI True, but

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Alan Millar
I am wondering (I wonder a lot lately ;-)) if some have already given a thought to the fact that nodes actually represent 2 different concepts in the current api: - a node in the geometrical sense, i.e. used to define a linestring/way - a POI It is this way on purpose, because that is

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Matthias Julius
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:19:15 +0200, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Chris Browet wrote: I am wondering (I wonder a lot lately ;-)) if some have already given a thought to the fact that nodes actually represent 2 different concepts Yes, this is something that has been

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Chris Browet
Of course the node element would have to be kept not only for POI nodes but also for topology nodes (where two ways meet). Indeed, I didn't thought about the connections. The idea came from the observation that the 80/20 rule would probably apply to ways only comprising empty nodes. But

Re: [OSM-dev] API 0.7+: Split node concept?

2010-10-12 Thread Frank Steggink
On 10-10-12 10:41 PM, Matthias Julius wrote Maybe less ugly would be to have nodes just contain lat and lon and introduce new point elements that need to reference a node. That would also make it easier to put two different objects at the same spot (like a mail box on a lamp post) as added