Re: [OSM-dev] Creation of dataset for import

2010-07-21 Thread 80n
Emilie
Thanks for this link.  It all looks rather complicated and too much for the
amount of data that I have.  I was hoping for a simpler solution.

Right now, it seems to me that tracing twice might be the most effective
solution.

80n

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote:



 On 19 July 2010 17:09, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm just starting a project that will create a load of data for OSM, but
 will be done off-line based on a static copy of planet.osm.

 What I want to know is how to create that data so that it is most easily
 imported back into the main database.

 It will comprise a lot of new buildings and garden fences but will also
 comprise plenty of other things (road re-alignments, new roads, open spaces,
 etc) and will be created by a team of people tracing from aerial imagery.

 So faced with planet.osm and surrey.osm how can they best be merged?


 Hello,

 some people have been doing some kind of merges in France. One is the BMO
 import which had an incremental road import.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/BMO
 Also for Corine, we spent lots of time looking at overlaps and I suspect
 some extension of those techniques could be used.

 Emilie Laffray

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Re: [OSM-dev] Creation of dataset for import

2010-07-21 Thread Stefan de Konink

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, 80n wrote:


Right now, it seems to me that tracing twice might be the most effective
solution.


The simple solution obviously would generate SQL from a diff file, that 
can by pass the api. This could be relatively fast.



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Re: [OSM-dev] Creation of dataset for import

2010-07-21 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 21 July 2010 10:28, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:

 Emilie
 Thanks for this link.  It all looks rather complicated and too much for the
 amount of data that I have.  I was hoping for a simpler solution.

 Right now, it seems to me that tracing twice might be the most effective
 solution.



Maybe, anyway if you want to discuss something more technical I would be
happy to do so.

Emilie Laffray
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Re: [OSM-dev] Creation of dataset for import

2010-07-21 Thread 80n
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:

 On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, 80n wrote:

  Right now, it seems to me that tracing twice might be the most effective
 solution.


 The simple solution obviously would generate SQL from a diff file, that can
 by pass the api. This could be relatively fast.


High performance is not a requirement.  Fidelity of merging edits that are
potentially conflicting is important.  There will be some divergence between
the OSM dataset and the once that is being created.





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Re: [OSM-dev] Creation of dataset for import

2010-07-21 Thread Stefan de Konink

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, 80n wrote:


High performance is not a requirement.  Fidelity of merging edits that are
potentially conflicting is important.  There will be some divergence between
the OSM dataset and the once that is being created.


Actually it is, the faster the transactions can be pushed through, the 
lower the chance of collissions will be. If this file takes you a week to 
upload by the api, the consequences are easy to see.



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Re: [OSM-dev] Creation of dataset for import

2010-07-21 Thread 80n
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:

 On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, 80n wrote:

  High performance is not a requirement.  Fidelity of merging edits that are
 potentially conflicting is important.  There will be some divergence
 between
 the OSM dataset and the once that is being created.


 Actually it is, the faster the transactions can be pushed through, the
 lower the chance of collissions will be. If this file takes you a week to
 upload by the api, the consequences are easy to see.


Stefan
It's going to take several months to prepare *before* it even meets OSM, so
speed really isn't a requirement.

80n





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Re: [OSM-dev] Creation of dataset for import

2010-07-21 Thread Stefan de Konink

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, 80n wrote:


It's going to take several months to prepare *before* it even meets OSM, so
speed really isn't a requirement.


So what you actually are looking for is a tool that can interactively 
fastforward changes? As you would have with a source code versioning 
system?



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[OSM-dev] Creation of dataset for import

2010-07-19 Thread 80n
I'm just starting a project that will create a load of data for OSM, but
will be done off-line based on a static copy of planet.osm.

What I want to know is how to create that data so that it is most easily
imported back into the main database.

It will comprise a lot of new buildings and garden fences but will also
comprise plenty of other things (road re-alignments, new roads, open spaces,
etc) and will be created by a team of people tracing from aerial imagery.

So faced with planet.osm and surrey.osm how can they best be merged?

80n
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