Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-07 Thread Tom Hughes
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ulf Lamping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that I'm not recommending that, simply clarifying that 99% is an alarmist exaggeration. Good! From reading the thread, I got the impression that the Richard Stallman religious fraction raises a loud voice

[OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Milo van der Linden
Hello list, Just to inform everyone: Today I downloaded IE8 Beta. First I was allready a bit suprised that it had overwritten my IE6. I think that a beta should not do that. So be advised, it is not possible to run IE8 Beta and IE6 or 7 side by side. (I managed to keep IE7 outdoors for a long

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 6 Mar 2008, at 18:15, Milo van der Linden wrote: Hello list, Just to inform everyone: Today I downloaded IE8 Beta. First I was allready a bit suprised that it had overwritten my IE6. I think that a beta should not do that. So be advised, it is not possible to run IE8 Beta and IE6 or

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Ray Booysen
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Milo van der Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, Just to inform everyone: Today I downloaded IE8 Beta. First I was allready a bit suprised that it had overwritten my IE6. I think that a beta should not do that. So be advised, it is not possible to

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread David Earl
On 06/03/2008 18:31, Shaun McDonald wrote: And we just tell them to install a real browser that works. And guarantee that 99% of people never look at OSM. I make these wonderful TV sets, much better than the competition, which I plan to sell for almost nothing. The only thing is they work on

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 6 Mar 2008, at 19:06, David Earl wrote: On 06/03/2008 18:31, Shaun McDonald wrote: And we just tell them to install a real browser that works. And guarantee that 99% of people never look at OSM. I make these wonderful TV sets, much better than the competition, which I plan to sell

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Milo van der Linden
I make these wonderful TV sets, much better than the competition, which I plan to sell for almost nothing. The only thing is they work on 400 volts, so you'll have to rewire your house to take advantage of this generous offer. Might also be read I got a wonderfull software solution that only

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Nick Whitelegg
On Thursday 06 Mar 2008 19:06, David Earl wrote: On 06/03/2008 18:31, Shaun McDonald wrote: And we just tell them to install a real browser that works. And guarantee that 99% of people never look at OSM. I make these wonderful TV sets, much better than the competition, which I plan to sell

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Milo van der Linden wrote: It turned out that openlayers and Google Maps are far from correctly implemented in IE8. Only when you select Emulate IE 7 things turn back to normal (I feel a discussion comming up whether IE is normal at all) I suspect the bug may be in openlayers checking for

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Ray Booysen
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Milo van der Linden wrote: It turned out that openlayers and Google Maps are far from correctly implemented in IE8. Only when you select Emulate IE 7 things turn back to normal (I feel a discussion comming up whether

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread MilesTogoe
Anyone using Windows can download and use the mostly W3C compliant Firefox for free. I haven't seen anything that indicates MS will support the W3C SVG standard on IE8 or any other IE version. Until IE supports SVG, they are not abiding by W3C standards and we should continue to advocate

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Miles Togoe wrote: Anyone using Windows can download and use the mostly W3C compliant Firefox for free. I haven't seen anything that indicates MS will support the W3C SVG standard on IE8 or any other IE version. Until IE supports SVG, they are not abiding by W3C standards and we

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 07:06:45PM +, David Earl wrote: On 06/03/2008 18:31, Shaun McDonald wrote: And we just tell them to install a real browser that works. And guarantee that 99% of people never look at OSM. IE's marketshare is far below 99% at this point: I've heard numbers widely

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 10:06:59PM +0100, Raphaël Jacquot wrote: Milo van der Linden wrote: It turned out that openlayers and Google Maps are far from correctly implemented in IE8. Only when you select Emulate IE 7 things turn back to normal (I feel a discussion comming up whether IE is

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:44:02PM -0700, MilesTogoe wrote: Anyone using Windows can download and use the mostly W3C compliant Firefox for free. I haven't seen anything that indicates MS will support the W3C SVG standard on IE8 or any other IE version. Until IE supports SVG, they are not

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Christopher Schmidt schrieb: On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 07:06:45PM +, David Earl wrote: On 06/03/2008 18:31, Shaun McDonald wrote: And we just tell them to install a real browser that works. And guarantee that 99% of people never look at OSM. IE's marketshare is far

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 11:54:31PM +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: Christopher Schmidt schrieb: On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 07:06:45PM +, David Earl wrote: On 06/03/2008 18:31, Shaun McDonald wrote: And we just tell them to install a real browser that works. And guarantee that 99%

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Christopher Schmidt schrieb: On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 11:54:31PM +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: Well, even if it's only 75%, simply ignoring the *majority* of internet users doesn't sound like a very good plan ... Note that I'm not recommending that, simply clarifying that 99% is an

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread MilesTogoe
Christopher Schmidt wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:44:02PM -0700, MilesTogoe wrote: Anyone using Windows can download and use the mostly W3C compliant Firefox for free. I haven't seen anything that indicates MS will support the W3C SVG standard on IE8 or any other IE version. Until

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Milo van der Linden
Let's just help. - the developers at Microsoft IE8 team by telling them that we see some unexpected things with Openlayers on the OpenStreetMap homepage. - the people at Openlayers by telling them something strange is going on in IE8, might it be that they know a solution? - All the

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
MilesTogoe schrieb: Yes, but only SVG should have to be supported - it's a world standard. It would mean less conversion code and less code to maintain is important for any project. And it would make things easier for direct SVG editing in OSM, easier SVG display integration across

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread MilesTogoe
Ulf Lamping wrote: MilesTogoe schrieb: Yes, but only SVG should have to be supported - it's a world standard. It would mean less conversion code and less code to maintain is important for any project. And it would make things easier for direct SVG editing in OSM, easier SVG display

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Milo van der Linden wrote: Let's just help. and not sending mail as HTML ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev

Re: [OSM-dev] Internet explorer 8 mess..

2008-03-06 Thread Ray Booysen
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:22 AM, MilesTogoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Schmidt wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 02:44:02PM -0700, MilesTogoe wrote: Anyone using Windows can download and use the mostly W3C compliant Firefox for free. I haven't seen anything that indicates MS will