[OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Maarten Deen
Very nice that the main map now shows a link as standard, but why does the format have to be changed? Now JOSM needs to be changed because it does not recognise this type of link. What was wrong with the old lat= and lon= style? From this link I can not see what the latitude and longitude is. I

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2013-08-08 09:08, Maarten Deen wrote: Very nice that the main map now shows a link as standard, but why does the format have to be changed? Now JOSM needs to be changed because it does not recognise this type of link. What was wrong with the old lat= and lon= style? From this link I can not

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Maarten, the benefit with the new link format, where position and layers are constantly stored in the part after the hash (#) is that browsers don't need or assume to need a reload. If you change the address (before the #) completely, a reload of the page is necessary, that was the case up to

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Tom MacWright
Is it really a terrible weight to update JOSM to recognize the new format? Given that JOSM is on version 6,115 and this is essentially a 'changing a regex' type situation. Can we stop calling any feature that changes the behavior of the site a major step backwards? Yes, things are different and

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Peter Wendorff
+1 I think, it's easy to exchange in josm. The bigger problem here would be the big amount of links TO osm.org, bu these are already addressed by the current page and redirected to the new format, so that's no problem either. I hope it was an accident that you responded to my mail instead of

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread NopMap
tmcw wrote Is it really a terrible weight to update JOSM to recognize the new format? It is not just about JOSM, the change breaks *every application, web service or browser plugin* that creates a reference to the osm main page or that could parse an OSM url. That's a little bit more :-).

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Tom MacWright
It is not just about JOSM, the change breaks *every application, web service or browser plugin* that creates a reference to the osm main page or that could parse an OSM url. Links to the homepage are backwards-compatible. We've set up redirects. No. If you just go ahead with changes that break

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Paul Norman
From: NopMap [mailto:ekkeh...@gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 7:34 AM To: dev@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map tmcw wrote Is it really a terrible weight to update JOSM to recognize the new format? It is not just about JOSM, the change breaks

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2013-08-08 14:49, Tom MacWright wrote: Is it really a terrible weight to update JOSM to recognize the new format? Given that JOSM is on version 6,115 and this is essentially a 'changing a regex' type situation. Is that a reason to do it? Because other changes are not hard? What _is_ the

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Tom MacWright
And do you know what it is? Somebody puts a request somewhere that they want it changed, some coder implements it and only then the world knows about it and the rest of the world has to change their behaviour because one person wanted it changed. Do-ocracy at work. Please read Paul's message

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Maarten Deen wrote: What planet are you on? That level of abuse is _completely_ unwarranted. I think you owe Tom an apology. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/The-new-link-on-the-OSM-map-tp5772913p5772987.html Sent from the Developer Discussion

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi, This is not as much fun as complaining about something, but - The new sharing page is fantastic. - I love the fact that the url is updating as you move around, making it possible to just copy/paste the url from the url bar. - The previous design always bugged the crap out of me when it

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Andy Street
On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:33:40 -0700 (PDT) NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: tmcw wrote Is it really a terrible weight to update JOSM to recognize the new format? It is not just about JOSM, the change breaks *every application, web service or browser plugin* that creates a reference to the osm

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. The ticket was there already, I added a patch now: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8945 regards Peter Am 08.08.2013 09:08, schrieb Maarten Deen: Very nice that the main map now shows a link as standard, but why does the format have to be changed? Now JOSM needs to be changed because it

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2013-08-08 17:47, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: What planet are you on? That level of abuse is _completely_ unwarranted. I think you owe Tom an apology. I have read my command again and after Tom's hyperbole that I claim you did a bad thing entirely I see no reason to

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
HI, On 08/08/13 19:02, Peter Wendorff wrote: The ticket was there already, I added a patch now Thanks. I have applied the patch and closed the ticket. Tonight's josm-latest will then support the new URL scheme, and we can all happily live on the same planet again. Bye Frederik --

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Tom MacWright
Tom's hyperbole that I claim you did a bad thing entirely I was referring to: I'm sorry, but IMHO this is yet another step backward. 'Yet another step backward', outside of the expression two steps forward, another step back means 'a bad thing in general' in common usage. Perhaps you were

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2013-08-08 19:33, Tom MacWright wrote:  Tom's hyperbole that I claim you did a bad thing entirely I was referring to:  I'm sorry, but IMHO this is yet another step backward. 'Yet another step backward', outside of the expression two steps forward, another step back means 'a bad thing in

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Alex Barth
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: I'm sorry, but IMHO this is yet another step backward. I don't know how it's hard to see that this is an offensive liner to anyone who works on openstreetmap.org. Sorry. yet another alludes to a steady decline brought about

Re: [OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

2013-08-08 Thread Peter K
As there are redirects I do not see an issue here and I really like the progress which is going on! ... why not introduce a policy how to make changes to osm.org to avoid 'social' or other issues in the future? I would suggest instead of discussion everything on the dev mailing list, do it like