[josm-dev] Relation editor usability

2010-12-09 Thread Pieren
Hi,

I recently updated my josm (yes I know, I'm not updating very often, I'm a
bad boy) and saw a small change in the relation editor which is a bit
irritating.
Until now, when I created a relation, I selected my objects then opened the
relation editor, then clicked on the button moving them from the right panel
to the left panel, then applied the roles when required.
Now, I do the same but the order of the objects is changed in the left
panel. Then my habit to select the objects in the order of roles to set is
not working anymore. When I move the objects to the right panel, I don't see
any more which role to set on which object.
Am I the only one seeing here a usability downgrade ? why is the order of
imported elements changing and on which criteria when these objects have no
roles defined ?

Pieren
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Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor usability

2010-12-09 Thread colliar
Am 09.12.2010 17:38, schrieb Pieren:
 Hi,
 
 I recently updated my josm (yes I know, I'm not updating very often, I'm a
 bad boy) and saw a small change in the relation editor which is a bit
 irritating.
 Until now, when I created a relation, I selected my objects then opened the
 relation editor, then clicked on the button moving them from the right panel
 to the left panel, then applied the roles when required.
 Now, I do the same but the order of the objects is changed in the left
 panel. Then my habit to select the objects in the order of roles to set is
 not working anymore. When I move the objects to the right panel, I don't see
 any more which role to set on which object.
 Am I the only one seeing here a usability downgrade ? why is the order of
 imported elements changing and on which criteria when these objects have no
 roles defined ?

Your are right there is already a ticket filled about it:
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5683

If you use the two below buttons it works !

Cheers colliar

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Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor usability

2010-12-09 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:02 PM, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com wrote:


 Your are right there is already a ticket filled about it:
 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5683

 If you use the two below buttons it works !

 Cheers colliar


Oops, sorry. I though it was something wished, not a bug.

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Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor usability

2010-12-09 Thread ael
Sorry if I am hijacking this thread, but on a related topic, I recently
wanted to tag a landuse area. Instead of the old simple area tag, I was
prompted to create a relation. 

The problem was I had no clue what sort of relation was being suggested,
there was no link or other help. I searched the wiki and no joy.

So I just aborted that and manually used the old type of tag.

My suspicion is that the idea of a relation was to allow annular rings
and the like, and that maybe roles like inner and outer were
expected. But I had no way of checking. 

For someone new to josm, it would be even more confusing. So before new
undocumented tags are introduced, there needs to be at least some
minimal help or guidance.

ael


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