At 18:28 -0800 1/16/04, Stas Bekman wrote:
Geoffrey Young wrote:
2) liz, your opinion here is especially valuable wrt what is "intuitive."
stas and I both have our own (generally differing) opinion of API
intuitiveness, and as someone who is in the middle of figuring out the new
API, you represent
> What I really find annoying, is that when you're porting, things start
> to fail.
agreed. that's even the basis for the mp2 talk I've been giving and the
article I wrote for perl.com - porting is lots more frustrating than we
sometimes make it out to be.
> I realize (now) that there is a wa
At 10:07 -0500 1/17/04, Geoffrey Young wrote:
> I realize (now) that there is a way to find out which method
> resides in which module:
http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/porting/porting.html#Using_C_ModPerl__MethodLookup__to_Discover_Which_mod_perl_2_0_Modules_Need_to_Be_Loaded
> but why does
>> > the right module and just makes the right sub gets called?
>> IIRC MethodLookup does have a 'load all' feature. but other than
>> that, see
>> Apache::porting.
>
>
> That's fine, but that's introducing bloat (which may not be such a
> problem with perfork MPM's, but _may_ be a problem wit
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2004 01:41 schrieb Stas Bekman:
> Please take a look at this new manpage
> http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache.html
>
> This issue of ghost Apache namespace troubles me. In mod_perl 1.0 it was OK
> to have functions like Apache::current_callback() because almo
Hi,
Am Samstag, 17. Januar 2004 16:16 schrieb Elizabeth Mattijsen:
[...]
> Anyway, loading these methods on demand may actually be very useful
> for Perl 5 ithreaded based MPM's!
>
but for forkbased servers it is just the opposite. I dislike your AUTOLOAD
idea for that reason.
>
> Liz
--
Bori
Boris Zentner wrote:
RequestIO is not inhereted from RequestRec. Also I have not created a object
of type RequestIO they are just unrelated to eachother. I whould expect a
full working object from the beginning. If my program does more than passing
a obj ref around the I know I have to load this
> For the record, I agree with Boris on this. Users should never be
> required to use methods defined in namespaces of modules that they did
> not explicitly load, and modules should not define things in other
> namespaces (like the Apache:: stuff that started this thread).
well, there are a few
At 18:02 +0100 1/17/04, Boris Zentner wrote:
Am Samstag, 17. Januar 2004 16:16 schrieb Elizabeth Mattijsen:
[...]
Anyway, loading these methods on demand may actually be very useful
> for Perl 5 ithreaded based MPM's!
but for forkbased servers it is just the opposite. I dislike your AUTOLOAD
idea
Boris Zentner wrote:
Anyway, loading these methods on demand may actually be very useful
for Perl 5 ithreaded based MPM's!
but for forkbased servers it is just the opposite. I dislike your AUTOLOAD
idea for that reason.
It's not quite opposite. You don't want to load 40+ modules if you are goin
Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote:
At 10:07 -0500 1/17/04, Geoffrey Young wrote:
> I realize (now) that there is a way to find out which method
> resides in which module:
http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/porting/porting.html#Using_C_ModPerl__MethodLookup__to_Discover_Which_mod_perl_2_0_Modules_Need_
Geoffrey Young wrote:
For the record, I agree with Boris on this. Users should never be
required to use methods defined in namespaces of modules that they did
not explicitly load, and modules should not define things in other
namespaces (like the Apache:: stuff that started this thread).
well, t
Boris Zentner wrote:
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2004 01:41 schrieb Stas Bekman:
Please take a look at this new manpage
http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache.html
This issue of ghost Apache namespace troubles me. In mod_perl 1.0 it was OK
to have functions like Apache::current_callback() b
Geoffrey Young wrote:
it's definition is elsewhere, in
Apache::RequestUtil, but Apache::RequestUtil defines
Apache::RequestRec::is_initial_req(). the end result is that you can have
the Perlish $r->is_initial_req() instead of the bulky
Apache::RequestUtil::is_initial_req($r).
I would much prefer t
Hi,
Am Sonntag, 18. Januar 2004 01:13 schrieb Stas Bekman:
> Boris Zentner wrote:
> >>Anyway, loading these methods on demand may actually be very useful
> >>for Perl 5 ithreaded based MPM's!
> >
> > but for forkbased servers it is just the opposite. I dislike your
> > AUTOLOAD idea for that reas
Perrin Harkins wrote:
Geoffrey Young wrote:
it's definition is elsewhere, in
Apache::RequestUtil, but Apache::RequestUtil defines
Apache::RequestRec::is_initial_req(). the end result is that you can
have
the Perlish $r->is_initial_req() instead of the bulky
Apache::RequestUtil::is_initial_req($r
Boris Zentner wrote:
Hi,
Am Sonntag, 18. Januar 2004 01:13 schrieb Stas Bekman:
Boris Zentner wrote:
Anyway, loading these methods on demand may actually be very useful
for Perl 5 ithreaded based MPM's!
but for forkbased servers it is just the opposite. I dislike your
AUTOLOAD idea for that reas
Hi,
Am Sonntag, 18. Januar 2004 01:32 schrieb Stas Bekman:
> Boris Zentner wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2004 01:41 schrieb Stas Bekman:
> >>Please take a look at this new manpage
> >>http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache.html
> >>
> >>This issue of ghost Apache namespace
Am Sonntag, 18. Januar 2004 06:35 schrieb Stas Bekman:
> Boris Zentner wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am Sonntag, 18. Januar 2004 01:13 schrieb Stas Bekman:
> >>Boris Zentner wrote:
> Anyway, loading these methods on demand may actually be very useful
> for Perl 5 ithreaded based MPM's!
> >>>
> >>>
Boris Zentner wrote:
[...]
In which case it seems that you are saying exactly what Liz does: i.e. you
want to be able to load only the modules that you are going to use. Nobody
is forcing you to use AUTOLOAD if you don't want to. Or may be I've lost
you and not quite following what your point/disag
Stas Bekman wrote:
Perrin Harkins wrote:
Geoffrey Young wrote:
it's definition is elsewhere, in
Apache::RequestUtil, but Apache::RequestUtil defines
Apache::RequestRec::is_initial_req(). the end result is that you can
have
the Perlish $r->is_initial_req() instead of the bulky
Apache::RequestUt
Boris Zentner wrote:
Hi,
Am Sonntag, 18. Januar 2004 01:32 schrieb Stas Bekman:
Boris Zentner wrote:
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2004 01:41 schrieb Stas Bekman:
Please take a look at this new manpage
http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache.html
This issue of ghost Apache namespace trouble
Perrin Harkins wrote:
Stas Bekman wrote:
Perrin Harkins wrote:
Geoffrey Young wrote:
it's definition is elsewhere, in
Apache::RequestUtil, but Apache::RequestUtil defines
Apache::RequestRec::is_initial_req(). the end result is that you
can have
the Perlish $r->is_initial_req() instead of the b
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