Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
You would have urls in on the page that when you clicked them executed the search. They can click a link right? One for google, one for duckduckgo, one for x On January 27, 2020 at 08:50:08, Christofer Dutz (christofer.d...@c-ware.de) wrote: Ahh ... ok ... Now I got you. Well I would really prefer the "Getting help" part Like on the Druid page, without the listing of people and their companies, if it was in line with the ASF bylaws. The reasoning is that we are also targeting people who are completely new to Open-Source and the idea that You have to "work for the information". You might laugh, but having a "please type this into google" sort of thing would probably annoy them more than not having this at all. Chris Am 27.01.20, 13:25 schrieb "Niclas Hedhman" : 1. On a page /commercial-support you explain the general principle that the ASF is a vendor neutral place and favors are frowned upon. 2. On that page, recommend the user to instead use their favorite search engine to look up (e.g) "plc4x_commercial_support" to find companies that provide such. 3. People here would know, and can imply, that their own landing pages for commercial support should contain that word for customers to find them. HTH Niclas On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:21 PM Christofer Dutz wrote: > Hi Niclas, > > have to admit that I didn't quite understand your suggestion. > > Chris > > > > Am 27.01.20, 10:01 schrieb "Niclas Hedhman" : > > My two cents; you could recommend that companies that has commercial > support to use a unique name on their offering/landing page that gets > picked up by search engines and let the general public know what that > word > is... > > When I personally am looking for this for project Foo, then "foo -site: > apache.org" is the starting point. And that could be smoother. > > > Cheers > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 16:28 Julian Feinauer < > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de> > wrote: > > > Hes, but as I understand it you are already doing that, so this > should > > yield result soon : ) > > > > Am 27.01.20, 09:24 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" < > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>: > > > > Yeah ... > > > > not sure this is not too much ... we should in general have this > > checked if such a page would be in line with the ASF bylaws. > > > > Chris > > > > Am 27.01.20, 08:21 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" < > > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>: > > > > Hi, > > > > I think we should list the companies with a short outline > like, > > e.g. postgres does it here: > > https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/europe/ > > > > For codecentric one could write (I see no problem): > > PLC4X was initially started as an internal project at > codecentric > > and open soure to the ASF. Christofer Dutz, the initiatior of PLC4X > helps > > in his daytime job clients with the implementation of Drivers and > blab la > > blab la > > > > And for us we could / would write something similar: > > The beautiful, wise, intelligent and charismatic Julian and > his > > blalbalblablalbal > > > > I think you get the point? : ) > > > > Julian > > > > Am 27.01.20, 08:17 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" < > > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>: > > > > Hi Julian, > > > > I think having links to commercial support offerings is a > > pretty important thing for us to have. > > If we have to allow anyone be listed there (even if they > don't > > contribute to the project) well that will be "the toad we have to > swallow" > > (Don't know how to translate this German saying to English). > > > > Right now I see the industries worries of not being able > to > > get commercial support as being one of the most problematic things > ... that > > was why I put the "commercial support" thing on our landing page. > > > > Would it be possible to mark companies who employ > committers > > of the project (but not which ones) with a "*" and an explanation? > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" < > > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>: > > > > Hey, > > > > @Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about > > whether or not we should do that. > > I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it. > > But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it > and if > > we cant get an agreement decide it. > > > > Julian > > > > Am 2
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
ones) with a "*" and an explanation?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <
> > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>:
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > @Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss
about
> > whether or not we should do that.
> > I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it.
> > But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it
> and if
> > we cant get an agreement decide it.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> > Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <
> > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>:
> >
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > So in general it would be OK to have a list of
> links
> > to companies plc4x support pages?
> >
> > I don't care about seeing the ties between
> persons and
> > companies.
> >
> > Just not happy to have any company listed.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Von: Justin Mclean
> > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45
> > An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for
> "professional
> > support" Mentioning on Homepage
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about
> > mentioning commercial support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage.
> > > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid
> (
> > https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help).
> >
> > I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the
> > committers are working for, that should not matter. Individuals
> contribute
> > to Apache projects not companies. Having links to those companies
> (next to
> > the committer name) when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even
> worse.
> >
> > Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long
> as all
> > that ask are listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting
> one
> > over another. It must be vendor neutral.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
1. On a page /commercial-support you explain the general principle that the ASF is a vendor neutral place and favors are frowned upon. 2. On that page, recommend the user to instead use their favorite search engine to look up (e.g) "plc4x_commercial_support" to find companies that provide such. 3. People here would know, and can imply, that their own landing pages for commercial support should contain that word for customers to find them. HTH Niclas On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:21 PM Christofer Dutz wrote: > Hi Niclas, > > have to admit that I didn't quite understand your suggestion. > > Chris > > > > Am 27.01.20, 10:01 schrieb "Niclas Hedhman" : > > My two cents; you could recommend that companies that has commercial > support to use a unique name on their offering/landing page that gets > picked up by search engines and let the general public know what that > word > is... > > When I personally am looking for this for project Foo, then "foo -site: > apache.org" is the starting point. And that could be smoother. > > > Cheers > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 16:28 Julian Feinauer < > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de> > wrote: > > > Hes, but as I understand it you are already doing that, so this > should > > yield result soon : ) > > > > Am 27.01.20, 09:24 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" < > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>: > > > > Yeah ... > > > > not sure this is not too much ... we should in general have this > > checked if such a page would be in line with the ASF bylaws. > > > > Chris > > > > Am 27.01.20, 08:21 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" < > > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>: > > > > Hi, > > > > I think we should list the companies with a short outline > like, > > e.g. postgres does it here: > > https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/europe/ > > > > For codecentric one could write (I see no problem): > > PLC4X was initially started as an internal project at > codecentric > > and open soure to the ASF. Christofer Dutz, the initiatior of PLC4X > helps > > in his daytime job clients with the implementation of Drivers and > blab la > > blab la > > > > And for us we could / would write something similar: > > The beautiful, wise, intelligent and charismatic Julian and > his > > blalbalblablalbal > > > > I think you get the point? : ) > > > > Julian > > > > Am 27.01.20, 08:17 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" < > > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>: > > > > Hi Julian, > > > > I think having links to commercial support offerings is a > > pretty important thing for us to have. > > If we have to allow anyone be listed there (even if they > don't > > contribute to the project) well that will be "the toad we have to > swallow" > > (Don't know how to translate this German saying to English). > > > > Right now I see the industries worries of not being able > to > > get commercial support as being one of the most problematic things > ... that > > was why I put the "commercial support" thing on our landing page. > > > > Would it be possible to mark companies who employ > committers > > of the project (but not which ones) with a "*" and an explanation? > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" < > > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>: > > > > Hey, > > > > @Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about > > whether or not we should do that. > > I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it. > > But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it > and if > > we cant get an agreement decide it. > > > > Julian > > > > Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" < > > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>: > > > > Hi Justin, > > > > S
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hi Niclas,
have to admit that I didn't quite understand your suggestion.
Chris
Am 27.01.20, 10:01 schrieb "Niclas Hedhman" :
My two cents; you could recommend that companies that has commercial
support to use a unique name on their offering/landing page that gets
picked up by search engines and let the general public know what that word
is...
When I personally am looking for this for project Foo, then "foo -site:
apache.org" is the starting point. And that could be smoother.
Cheers
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 16:28 Julian Feinauer
wrote:
> Hes, but as I understand it you are already doing that, so this should
> yield result soon : )
>
> Am 27.01.20, 09:24 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :
>
> Yeah ...
>
> not sure this is not too much ... we should in general have this
> checked if such a page would be in line with the ASF bylaws.
>
> Chris
>
> Am 27.01.20, 08:21 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <
> j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think we should list the companies with a short outline like,
> e.g. postgres does it here:
> https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/europe/
>
> For codecentric one could write (I see no problem):
> PLC4X was initially started as an internal project at codecentric
> and open soure to the ASF. Christofer Dutz, the initiatior of PLC4X helps
> in his daytime job clients with the implementation of Drivers and blab la
> blab la
>
> And for us we could / would write something similar:
> The beautiful, wise, intelligent and charismatic Julian and his
> blalbalblablalbal
>
> I think you get the point? : )
>
> Julian
>
> Am 27.01.20, 08:17 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <
> christofer.d...@c-ware.de>:
>
> Hi Julian,
>
> I think having links to commercial support offerings is a
> pretty important thing for us to have.
> If we have to allow anyone be listed there (even if they don't
> contribute to the project) well that will be "the toad we have to swallow"
> (Don't know how to translate this German saying to English).
>
> Right now I see the industries worries of not being able to
> get commercial support as being one of the most problematic things ...
that
> was why I put the "commercial support" thing on our landing page.
>
> Would it be possible to mark companies who employ committers
> of the project (but not which ones) with a "*" and an explanation?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <
> j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>:
>
> Hey,
>
> @Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about
> whether or not we should do that.
> I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it.
> But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it and if
> we cant get an agreement decide it.
>
> Julian
>
> Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <
> christofer.d...@c-ware.de>:
>
> Hi Justin,
>
> So in general it would be OK to have a list of links
> to companies plc4x support pages?
>
> I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and
> companies.
>
> Just not happy to have any company listed.
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Justin Mclean
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45
> An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional
> support" Mentioning on Homepage
>
> Hi,
>
> > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about
> mentioning commercial support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage.
> > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid (
> https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help).
>
> I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the
> committers
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
My two cents; you could recommend that companies that has commercial support to use a unique name on their offering/landing page that gets picked up by search engines and let the general public know what that word is... When I personally am looking for this for project Foo, then "foo -site: apache.org" is the starting point. And that could be smoother. Cheers On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 16:28 Julian Feinauer wrote: > Hes, but as I understand it you are already doing that, so this should > yield result soon : ) > > Am 27.01.20, 09:24 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" : > > Yeah ... > > not sure this is not too much ... we should in general have this > checked if such a page would be in line with the ASF bylaws. > > Chris > > Am 27.01.20, 08:21 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" < > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>: > > Hi, > > I think we should list the companies with a short outline like, > e.g. postgres does it here: > https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/europe/ > > For codecentric one could write (I see no problem): > PLC4X was initially started as an internal project at codecentric > and open soure to the ASF. Christofer Dutz, the initiatior of PLC4X helps > in his daytime job clients with the implementation of Drivers and blab la > blab la > > And for us we could / would write something similar: > The beautiful, wise, intelligent and charismatic Julian and his > blalbalblablalbal > > I think you get the point? : ) > > Julian > > Am 27.01.20, 08:17 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" < > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>: > > Hi Julian, > > I think having links to commercial support offerings is a > pretty important thing for us to have. > If we have to allow anyone be listed there (even if they don't > contribute to the project) well that will be "the toad we have to swallow" > (Don't know how to translate this German saying to English). > > Right now I see the industries worries of not being able to > get commercial support as being one of the most problematic things ... that > was why I put the "commercial support" thing on our landing page. > > Would it be possible to mark companies who employ committers > of the project (but not which ones) with a "*" and an explanation? > > Chris > > > > Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" < > j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>: > > Hey, > > @Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about > whether or not we should do that. > I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it. > But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it and if > we cant get an agreement decide it. > > Julian > > Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" < > christofer.d...@c-ware.de>: > > Hi Justin, > > So in general it would be OK to have a list of links > to companies plc4x support pages? > > I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and > companies. > > Just not happy to have any company listed. > > Chris > > Von: Justin Mclean > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45 > An: dev@plc4x.apache.org > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional > support" Mentioning on Homepage > > Hi, > > > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about > mentioning commercial support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage. > > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid ( > https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help). > > I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the > committers are working for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute > to Apache projects not companies. Having links to those companies (next to > the committer name) when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse. > > Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all > that ask are listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one > over another. It must be vendor neutral. > > Thanks, > Justin > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hes, but as I understand it you are already doing that, so this should yield
result soon : )
Am 27.01.20, 09:24 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :
Yeah ...
not sure this is not too much ... we should in general have this checked if
such a page would be in line with the ASF bylaws.
Chris
Am 27.01.20, 08:21 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" :
Hi,
I think we should list the companies with a short outline like, e.g.
postgres does it here:
https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/europe/
For codecentric one could write (I see no problem):
PLC4X was initially started as an internal project at codecentric and
open soure to the ASF. Christofer Dutz, the initiatior of PLC4X helps in his
daytime job clients with the implementation of Drivers and blab la blab la
And for us we could / would write something similar:
The beautiful, wise, intelligent and charismatic Julian and his
blalbalblablalbal
I think you get the point? : )
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 08:17 schrieb "Christofer Dutz"
:
Hi Julian,
I think having links to commercial support offerings is a pretty
important thing for us to have.
If we have to allow anyone be listed there (even if they don't
contribute to the project) well that will be "the toad we have to swallow"
(Don't know how to translate this German saying to English).
Right now I see the industries worries of not being able to get
commercial support as being one of the most problematic things ... that was why
I put the "commercial support" thing on our landing page.
Would it be possible to mark companies who employ committers of the
project (but not which ones) with a "*" and an explanation?
Chris
Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer"
:
Hey,
@Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about whether
or not we should do that.
I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it.
But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it and if we
cant get an agreement decide it.
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz"
:
Hi Justin,
So in general it would be OK to have a list of links to
companies plc4x support pages?
I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and
companies.
Just not happy to have any company listed.
Chris
Von: Justin Mclean
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support"
Mentioning on Homepage
Hi,
> as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning
commercial support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage.
> One Example where this is done is Apache Druid
(https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help).
I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the committers
are working for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute to Apache
projects not companies. Having links to those companies (next to the committer
name) when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse.
Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all that
ask are listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one over
another. It must be vendor neutral.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Yeah ...
not sure this is not too much ... we should in general have this checked if
such a page would be in line with the ASF bylaws.
Chris
Am 27.01.20, 08:21 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" :
Hi,
I think we should list the companies with a short outline like, e.g.
postgres does it here:
https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/europe/
For codecentric one could write (I see no problem):
PLC4X was initially started as an internal project at codecentric and open
soure to the ASF. Christofer Dutz, the initiatior of PLC4X helps in his daytime
job clients with the implementation of Drivers and blab la blab la
And for us we could / would write something similar:
The beautiful, wise, intelligent and charismatic Julian and his
blalbalblablalbal
I think you get the point? : )
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 08:17 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :
Hi Julian,
I think having links to commercial support offerings is a pretty
important thing for us to have.
If we have to allow anyone be listed there (even if they don't
contribute to the project) well that will be "the toad we have to swallow"
(Don't know how to translate this German saying to English).
Right now I see the industries worries of not being able to get
commercial support as being one of the most problematic things ... that was why
I put the "commercial support" thing on our landing page.
Would it be possible to mark companies who employ committers of the
project (but not which ones) with a "*" and an explanation?
Chris
Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer"
:
Hey,
@Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about whether or
not we should do that.
I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it.
But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it and if we cant
get an agreement decide it.
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz"
:
Hi Justin,
So in general it would be OK to have a list of links to
companies plc4x support pages?
I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and
companies.
Just not happy to have any company listed.
Chris
Von: Justin Mclean
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support"
Mentioning on Homepage
Hi,
> as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning
commercial support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage.
> One Example where this is done is Apache Druid
(https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help).
I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the committers are
working for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute to Apache projects
not companies. Having links to those companies (next to the committer name)
when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse.
Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all that ask
are listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one over another.
It must be vendor neutral.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hi,
I think we should list the companies with a short outline like, e.g. postgres
does it here: https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/europe/
For codecentric one could write (I see no problem):
PLC4X was initially started as an internal project at codecentric and open
soure to the ASF. Christofer Dutz, the initiatior of PLC4X helps in his daytime
job clients with the implementation of Drivers and blab la blab la
And for us we could / would write something similar:
The beautiful, wise, intelligent and charismatic Julian and his
blalbalblablalbal
I think you get the point? : )
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 08:17 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :
Hi Julian,
I think having links to commercial support offerings is a pretty important
thing for us to have.
If we have to allow anyone be listed there (even if they don't contribute
to the project) well that will be "the toad we have to swallow" (Don't know how
to translate this German saying to English).
Right now I see the industries worries of not being able to get commercial
support as being one of the most problematic things ... that was why I put the
"commercial support" thing on our landing page.
Would it be possible to mark companies who employ committers of the project
(but not which ones) with a "*" and an explanation?
Chris
Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" :
Hey,
@Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about whether or not we
should do that.
I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it.
But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it and if we cant get an
agreement decide it.
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz"
:
Hi Justin,
So in general it would be OK to have a list of links to companies
plc4x support pages?
I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and companies.
Just not happy to have any company listed.
Chris
Von: Justin Mclean
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support"
Mentioning on Homepage
Hi,
> as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial
support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage.
> One Example where this is done is Apache Druid
(https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help).
I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the committers are
working for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute to Apache projects
not companies. Having links to those companies (next to the committer name)
when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse.
Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all that ask are
listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one over another. It
must be vendor neutral.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hi Julian,
I think having links to commercial support offerings is a pretty important
thing for us to have.
If we have to allow anyone be listed there (even if they don't contribute to
the project) well that will be "the toad we have to swallow" (Don't know how to
translate this German saying to English).
Right now I see the industries worries of not being able to get commercial
support as being one of the most problematic things ... that was why I put the
"commercial support" thing on our landing page.
Would it be possible to mark companies who employ committers of the project
(but not which ones) with a "*" and an explanation?
Chris
Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" :
Hey,
@Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about whether or not we
should do that.
I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it.
But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it and if we cant get an
agreement decide it.
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :
Hi Justin,
So in general it would be OK to have a list of links to companies plc4x
support pages?
I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and companies.
Just not happy to have any company listed.
Chris
Von: Justin Mclean
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning
on Homepage
Hi,
> as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial
support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage.
> One Example where this is done is Apache Druid
(https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help).
I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the committers are working
for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute to Apache projects not
companies. Having links to those companies (next to the committer name) when
they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse.
Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all that ask are
listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one over another. It
must be vendor neutral.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Ah, yes then full ack. Thus, I suggested the PMC Vote approach, because also I
dislike that (except for there are any other good reasons why the PMC could be
fine like.. they donate us enough money to sell our asses... : ) )
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 08:13 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :
Maybe I need to rephrase my last sentence ;-)
"I am not happy to have just any company listed, even if they didn't even
have any of their employees contribute anything to the project."
Chris
Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" :
Hey,
@Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about whether or not we
should do that.
I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it.
But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it and if we cant get an
agreement decide it.
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz"
:
Hi Justin,
So in general it would be OK to have a list of links to companies
plc4x support pages?
I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and companies.
Just not happy to have any company listed.
Chris
Von: Justin Mclean
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support"
Mentioning on Homepage
Hi,
> as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial
support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage.
> One Example where this is done is Apache Druid
(https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help).
I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the committers are
working for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute to Apache projects
not companies. Having links to those companies (next to the committer name)
when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse.
Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all that ask are
listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one over another. It
must be vendor neutral.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Maybe I need to rephrase my last sentence ;-)
"I am not happy to have just any company listed, even if they didn't even have
any of their employees contribute anything to the project."
Chris
Am 27.01.20, 08:10 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" :
Hey,
@Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about whether or not we
should do that.
I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it.
But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it and if we cant get an
agreement decide it.
Julian
Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" :
Hi Justin,
So in general it would be OK to have a list of links to companies plc4x
support pages?
I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and companies.
Just not happy to have any company listed.
Chris
Von: Justin Mclean
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning
on Homepage
Hi,
> as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial
support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage.
> One Example where this is done is Apache Druid
(https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help).
I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the committers are working
for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute to Apache projects not
companies. Having links to those companies (next to the committer name) when
they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse.
Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all that ask are
listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one over another. It
must be vendor neutral.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hey, @Christofer Dutz you can also a general discuss about whether or not we should do that. I am mostly concerned with clear rules, if we do it. But, in the end, its not granted, lets discuss it and if we cant get an agreement decide it. Julian Am 27.01.20, 06:55 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" : Hi Justin, So in general it would be OK to have a list of links to companies plc4x support pages? I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and companies. Just not happy to have any company listed. Chris Von: Justin Mclean Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45 An: dev@plc4x.apache.org Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage Hi, > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage. > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid (https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help). I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the committers are working for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute to Apache projects not companies. Having links to those companies (next to the committer name) when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse. Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all that ask are listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one over another. It must be vendor neutral. Thanks, Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hi Justin, So in general it would be OK to have a list of links to companies plc4x support pages? I don't care about seeing the ties between persons and companies. Just not happy to have any company listed. Chris Von: Justin Mclean Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 01:45 An: dev@plc4x.apache.org Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage Hi, > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial support on > the (new) PLC4X Homepage. > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid > (https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help). I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the committers are working for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute to Apache projects not companies. Having links to those companies (next to the committer name) when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse. Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all that ask are listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one over another. It must be vendor neutral. Thanks, Justin
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hi, See [1] and in particular [2]. Note also how druid is not in line with [3] Thanks, Justin 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#projectthanks 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#productsupport 3. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#whoweare
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hi, > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial support on > the (new) PLC4X Homepage. > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid > (https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help). I dislike the Druid example as it shows who the committers are working for, that should not matter. Individuals contribute to Apache projects not companies. Having links to those companies (next to the committer name) when they may or may not be ASF sponsors is even worse. Re commercial supped listing them is OK as long as all that ask are listed and it not being seen as promoting or suggesting one over another. It must be vendor neutral. Thanks, Justin
AW: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Nice thank you. Just also Wanted to start the discussing here that we have a resolution before starting something. Julian Von meinem Mobiltelefon gesendet Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Christofer Dutz Datum: So., 26. Jan. 2020, 18:42 An: dev@plc4x.apache.org Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage Hi all, so I took the question to the trademarks list (Which I sort of think is the appropriate place to ask) Chris Am 26.01.20, 18:35 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" : +1 From my side We however should double check that this is generally allowed. Just finding a precedence where it is done, doesn't mean it's generally allowed. It might have just not been found. Chris Am 26.01.20, 15:42 schrieb "Lukas Ott" : Hi, +1 for PMC Vote - Only companies should be listed that have Committers that can actually develop and run PLC4X development and/ or operation services without external (other companies of course collaboration is fine but the main work should be done by the developers of the company itself for professional support on PLC4X) help. I like the druid example because there is a list of committers and then 3 companies (which in my understanding really build services with and around druid) thats it. Lukas Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 15:35 Uhr schrieb Julian Feinauer < j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>: > Hi, > > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial support > on the (new) PLC4X Homepage. > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid ( > https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help). > > One concern of myself is that we should be transparent but strict about > what companies we allow to mention there. One one hand, everybody who > contributes and is reasonable qualified should be noted. On the other hand > we do not want dozens of companies to be listed there that have few or no > knowledge about the project. > > Thus, I suggest, as process, that whoever wants to be mentioned there just > applies in a formless manner (on dev@...) and the PMC decides by regular > vote if this is accepted or not. > This should be reasonably fair and transparent. What do others think? > > Julian >
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hi all, so I took the question to the trademarks list (Which I sort of think is the appropriate place to ask) Chris Am 26.01.20, 18:35 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" : +1 From my side We however should double check that this is generally allowed. Just finding a precedence where it is done, doesn't mean it's generally allowed. It might have just not been found. Chris Am 26.01.20, 15:42 schrieb "Lukas Ott" : Hi, +1 for PMC Vote - Only companies should be listed that have Committers that can actually develop and run PLC4X development and/ or operation services without external (other companies of course collaboration is fine but the main work should be done by the developers of the company itself for professional support on PLC4X) help. I like the druid example because there is a list of committers and then 3 companies (which in my understanding really build services with and around druid) thats it. Lukas Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 15:35 Uhr schrieb Julian Feinauer < j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>: > Hi, > > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial support > on the (new) PLC4X Homepage. > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid ( > https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help). > > One concern of myself is that we should be transparent but strict about > what companies we allow to mention there. One one hand, everybody who > contributes and is reasonable qualified should be noted. On the other hand > we do not want dozens of companies to be listed there that have few or no > knowledge about the project. > > Thus, I suggest, as process, that whoever wants to be mentioned there just > applies in a formless manner (on dev@...) and the PMC decides by regular > vote if this is accepted or not. > This should be reasonably fair and transparent. What do others think? > > Julian >
Re: [DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hi, +1 for PMC Vote - Only companies should be listed that have Committers that can actually develop and run PLC4X development and/ or operation services without external (other companies of course collaboration is fine but the main work should be done by the developers of the company itself for professional support on PLC4X) help. I like the druid example because there is a list of committers and then 3 companies (which in my understanding really build services with and around druid) thats it. Lukas Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 15:35 Uhr schrieb Julian Feinauer < j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>: > Hi, > > as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial support > on the (new) PLC4X Homepage. > One Example where this is done is Apache Druid ( > https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help). > > One concern of myself is that we should be transparent but strict about > what companies we allow to mention there. One one hand, everybody who > contributes and is reasonable qualified should be noted. On the other hand > we do not want dozens of companies to be listed there that have few or no > knowledge about the project. > > Thus, I suggest, as process, that whoever wants to be mentioned there just > applies in a formless manner (on dev@...) and the PMC decides by regular > vote if this is accepted or not. > This should be reasonably fair and transparent. What do others think? > > Julian >
[DISCUSS] Guideline for "professional support" Mentioning on Homepage
Hi, as Lukas just opened up a discussion about mentioning commercial support on the (new) PLC4X Homepage. One Example where this is done is Apache Druid (https://druid.apache.org/community/ see Getting Help). One concern of myself is that we should be transparent but strict about what companies we allow to mention there. One one hand, everybody who contributes and is reasonable qualified should be noted. On the other hand we do not want dozens of companies to be listed there that have few or no knowledge about the project. Thus, I suggest, as process, that whoever wants to be mentioned there just applies in a formless manner (on dev@...) and the PMC decides by regular vote if this is accepted or not. This should be reasonably fair and transparent. What do others think? Julian
