Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Matthias Felleisen wrote at 11/05/2012 10:14 PM: * racket/base (for scripting) * racket (for programming) After thinking about it, I think I see what you mean with the distinction between ``for scripting'' and ``for programming''. But I think this might be confusing.

[racket-dev] My experience with Typed Racket

2012-11-06 Thread Dan Burton
I've published a blog post about Typed Racket that I've been holding on to for a while. Mainly I intended it as feedback for Sam about what areas of TR I think can be improved, though it does provide a sort of tour through lots of Typed Racket features, so it should be readable by anyone with

Re: [racket-dev] My experience with Typed Racket

2012-11-06 Thread Matthias Felleisen
Thanks for the feedback. You labeled the blog my experience with typed racket but you focus on the negative points. Perhaps you want to add , the Negative Parts to the title because your introduction makes it clear that you find a few good things. -- Matthias On Nov 5, 2012, at 5:46 PM,

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Robby Findler
Okay, thanks for the feedback. I've pushed a change that mostly takes the suggestions, except no blue and instead of the parentheticals, I've linked to the docs. (I don't like how the links don't line up vertically so I'll fix that unless the whole thing is dumped, depending on what people say

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Robby Findler
Well, I can't say that I'm excited about the prospect of going back to that dialog. My goal is to move towards no language dialog at all eventually and that change would not be a step in that direction. While we wait for others' opinions, I've pushed something that makes the ellipsis clickable,

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Eli Barzilay
A few minutes ago, Robby Findler wrote: Well, I can't say that I'm excited about the prospect of going back to that dialog. My goal is to move towards no language dialog at all eventually and that change would not be a step in that direction. (Yes, I know that the goal is to get rid of it --

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Asumu Takikawa
On 2012-11-05 22:14:57 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: -- I would use The Racket Language for the first line of the first item The latest dialog with this change looks really nice! FWIW, one thing that confused me was that the language selector in the bottom left still says Determine language

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Robby Findler ro...@eecs.northwestern.edu wrote: Okay, thanks for the feedback. I've pushed a change that mostly takes the suggestions, except no blue and instead of the parentheticals, I've linked to the docs. (I don't like how the links don't line up

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Asumu Takikawa
On 2012-11-06 14:27:42 -0500, Asumu Takikawa wrote: The latest dialog with this change looks really nice! FWIW, one thing that confused me was that the language selector in the bottom left still says Determine language from source when you click on The Racket Language in the dialog. Another

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Robby Findler
The docs links are meant to all be clickable (and I can certainly underline them). What were you expecting, exactly? I prefer not to make clicking on the #lang .. part edit the definitions window; I think copy and paste is probably clearer to the user. Robby On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM,

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Matthias Felleisen
+1 Thank you for the experiment. I am coming to two conclusions: -- I think we're closer to getting it right -- I am beginning to think we dont' ever wish to abolish it. On Nov 6, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: On 2012-11-06 14:03:50 -0600, Robby Findler wrote: The docs

Re: [racket-dev] My experience with Typed Racket

2012-11-06 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Dan Burton danburton.em...@gmail.com wrote: I've published a blog post about Typed Racket that I've been holding on to for a while. Mainly I intended it as feedback for Sam about what areas of TR I think can be improved, though it does provide a sort of tour

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Robby Findler
OH! I now get the confusion. Clicking on the teaching languages is the way one interacts with that part of the dialog but the #lang lines are just text and users of this thing will be completely confused by non-parallelism. Duh! Hm. Robby On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Matthias Felleisen

[racket-dev] bug tracker won't let me query anymore

2012-11-06 Thread Danny Yoo
I logged into the bug tracker at bugs.racket-lang.org. What I see upon login now is the following: default User: dyoo Access: listdb *Racket Bugs*http://bugs.racket-lang.org/query/?database=default LoginYou do not have access to database: default. Please log in to another database I can't

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Robby Findler
Okay, I've push something to try to deal with this. Robby On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Robby Findler ro...@eecs.northwestern.edu wrote: OH! I now get the confusion. Clicking on the teaching languages is the way one interacts with that part of the dialog but the #lang lines are just text

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Matthias Felleisen
Ouch. It satisfies the gui design laws so it passes this test. For an 'old timer' it doesn't truly work. Let's wait and see. -- Matthias On Nov 6, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Robby Findler wrote: Okay, I've push something to try to deal with this. Robby On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Robby

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Robby Findler
Just to check: did you click on #lang racket when you had #lang racket in the buffer already? I need to improve that case a little bit. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: Ouch. It satisfies the gui design laws so it passes this test. For an 'old

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Matthias Felleisen
No, I just played with the language dialog itself. On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Robby Findler wrote: Just to check: did you click on #lang racket when you had #lang racket in the buffer already? I need to improve that case a little bit. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Matthias Felleisen

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Matthias Felleisen
Ah, no I see what you mean. Let's keep this one for a while. On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Robby Findler wrote: Just to check: did you click on #lang racket when you had #lang racket in the buffer already? I need to improve that case a little bit. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Matthias

Re: [racket-dev] Revision to the Language Dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Stephen Bloch
I find confusing the caption at the bottom of the dialog that explains what the currently-selected language means. I think we could provide the same information more intuitively with mouseover tooltips, and lose the caption entirely. I'm not worried about showing a caption for the language

[racket-dev] Again with the language dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Stephen Bloch
Clicking on #lang racket brings up a friendly dialog box saying you're really supposed to edit the buffer directly... That said, would you like me to add #lang racket to the definitions window? Sounds good so far... but if I say yes to accept this reasonable offer, it leaves me in an illegal

Re: [racket-dev] Again with the language dialog

2012-11-06 Thread Robby Findler
I think you missed a revision to the dialog. The currently pushed version switches you to the The Racket Language when you click on one of the examples. Robby On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Stephen Bloch bl...@adelphi.edu wrote: Clicking on #lang racket brings up a friendly dialog box saying

Re: [racket-dev] Potential bug in path-url

2012-11-06 Thread Jay McCarthy
I looked at your patch and it looks good overall. Could you add a test case or two to collects/tests/url.rkt (around line 184) and verify that the other test cases continue to pass? Jay On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Philippe Mechaï philippe.mec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think there is a bug