Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Robby Findler
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: > On 2013-01-11 23:08:30 -0600, Robby Findler wrote: > >How about calling the new struct "lax-date" or something like that, > using > >the word you're using below -- I'm not tied to that word, but > something > >that explains mor

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Asumu Takikawa
On 2013-01-11 23:08:30 -0600, Robby Findler wrote: >How about calling the new struct "lax-date" or something like that, using >the word you're using below -- I'm not tied to that word, but something >that explains more why it is there seems good. That sounds good. >Also, I think t

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Robby Findler
How about calling the new struct "lax-date" or something like that, using the word you're using below -- I'm not tied to that word, but something that explains more why it is there seems good. Also, I think the documentation needs to be updated to explain the relationship between the racket/date s

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Asumu Takikawa
On 2013-01-11 20:58:02 -0600, Robby Findler wrote: >I think backwards compatibility here is probably more important than it >producing a racket date. Is there some reason not to think so? I believe >this library gets used a lot. Ok, attached is a second attempt that will use a differen

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Robby Findler
Oh! Good point! On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Ryan Culpepper wrote: > I don't know how important this is, but ideally serialized old SRFI-19 > dates should now deserialize as date*. I think that you can just restore > the definition of deserialize-info:tm:date-v0 and change the second > fun

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Ryan Culpepper
I don't know how important this is, but ideally serialized old SRFI-19 dates should now deserialize as date*. I think that you can just restore the definition of deserialize-info:tm:date-v0 and change the second function (the cyclic value builder) to raise an error: (define deserialize-info:tm

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Robby Findler
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: > On 2013-01-11 20:35:50 -0600, Robby Findler wrote: > >(The diff shows all of the tests changing). Are the tests for exported > >functions? If so, that sound bad. > > Only a subset of the string->date tests should have changed in the

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Asumu Takikawa
On 2013-01-11 20:35:50 -0600, Robby Findler wrote: >(The diff shows all of the tests changing). Are the tests for exported >functions? If so, that sound bad. Only a subset of the string->date tests should have changed in the diff (which is how it shows up in my mail reader). >Was the

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Robby Findler
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: > On 2013-01-11 15:39:08 -0600, Robby Findler wrote: > >I think it would be great if you were to find backwards-compatible > >ways to bring these two a little bit closer. Making them use the > >same internal date struct, for examp

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Asumu Takikawa
On 2013-01-11 15:39:08 -0600, Robby Findler wrote: >I think it would be great if you were to find backwards-compatible >ways to bring these two a little bit closer. Making them use the >same internal date struct, for example, would be a great thing. I wrote a patch to make both of thes

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Robby Findler wrote: > > And as you probably guessed, racket/date is the way it is for backwards > compatibility reasons. I don't know how srfi/19 came to be, but it might > just be because someone took the sample implementation from the srfi and > stuck it into R

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Stephen Chang
> Second, the date structure used by racket/date has some seemingly > extraneous fields. For example, `week-day` and `year-day` can be > calculated from the rest of the fields and aren't necessary (this is > annoying if you want to construct your own dates manually). I've been confused by this in

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Robby Findler
I think it would be great if you were to find backwards-compatible ways to bring these two a little bit closer. Making them use the same internal date struct, for example, would be a great thing. And as you probably guessed, racket/date is the way it is for backwards compatibility reasons. I don't

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Matthias Felleisen
On Jan 11, 2013, at 2:34 PM, John Clements wrote: >> >> >> You may want to look instead at (the time related parts of) SOFA >> (www.iausofa.org). >> >> For my needs, I'm working at an FFI interface to SOFA, which I'll >> release on planet when ready. > > I much prefer pure racket code to FFI

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread John Clements
On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Pierpaolo Bernardi wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: > >> Note: in the long run, it's probably best to have a comprehensive >> srfi/19 replacement in racket/date, > > Agreed. > > srfi/19 also has some serious flaws, which I have no t

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Pierpaolo Bernardi
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: > Note: in the long run, it's probably best to have a comprehensive > srfi/19 replacement in racket/date, Agreed. srfi/19 also has some serious flaws, which I have no time at the moment to delve into. The one merit it has, is that being an

Re: [racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Ray Racine
FWIW I did some sort of port of SRFI/19 to Typed Racket. I recall doing something along the lines of bridging the impedance mismatch between Racket and the SRFI, but whatever it was, was minimal. I was in a hurry. If anyone is interested. - date.rkt was a standard TR require/typed wrapping of s

[racket-dev] racket/date, SRFI-19, date construction

2013-01-11 Thread Asumu Takikawa
Hi all, I had a few design questions about date types as used in the racket/date and srfi/19 libraries. First, for some reason racket/date and srfi/19 use mutually incompatible date representations and this is noted in the documentation (so it's intentional). Is there a good reason for this? As f