Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Prabhakar Ragde
Eli wrote: Semi-Quick: take Prabhakar's intro (cs.uwaterloo.ca/~plragde/tyr/) and make it terse enough to fit a single (longish) page. I think that this is a fine choice for an aspiring hacker -- the only part that is missing, the advanced section, is probably the part that should at

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
On Wed, Aug 21 2013, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Jose A. Ortega Ruiz wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 20 2013, Neil Van Dyke wrote: >> >>> Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote at 08/20/2013 09:52 AM: Can you say more about why this is? Is it the pictures? >>> >>> Yes, I scro

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread John Clements
On Aug 19, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Robby Findler wrote: > This looks fantastic! Thanks! +1 I really like the "programmable programming language" slogan. John _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
A few minutes ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > > A few minutes ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > >> > A quick idea that popped up today re the books: have a book bar as > >> > in the

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > A few minutes ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: >> > A quick idea that popped up today re the books: have a book bar as >> > in the erlang page, but with popups that have the book >> > des

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
A few minutes ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > > A quick idea that popped up today re the books: have a book bar as > > in the erlang page, but with popups that have the book > > descriptions. It can be much less intrusive while keeping the

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > An hour ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: >> > I dislike the switch to something that looks less unique -- this >> > feels more like yet-another-site of a language. I can't really >> > p

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
An hour ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > > I dislike the switch to something that looks less unique -- this > > feels more like yet-another-site of a language. I can't really > > put a finger on what makes that, but I think that the big fac

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
An hour ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Jose A. Ortega Ruiz wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20 2013, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > >> > >> Yes, I scroll down the page and I see pictures and a simple > >> picture language, and it seems to be using them to introduce some > >> pret

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > I dislike the switch to something that looks less unique -- this feels > more like yet-another-site of a language. I can't really put a finger > on what makes that, but I think that the big factor is the dark > header. (I didn't like it whe

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Jose A. Ortega Ruiz wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20 2013, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > >> Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote at 08/20/2013 09:52 AM: >>> Can you say more about why this is? Is it the pictures? >>> >> >> Yes, I scroll down the page and I see pictures and a simple picture >

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
On Tue, Aug 20 2013, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote at 08/20/2013 09:52 AM: >> Can you say more about why this is? Is it the pictures? >> > > Yes, I scroll down the page and I see pictures and a simple picture > language, and it seems to be using them to introduce some pretty

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Laurent
Apologies if this has been mentioned already (too much to read), but IMHO the sections are too close to one another. I'd personally add more padding-top to the h2, even up to 1.5em. Some h2 section headers (Documentation, Learning, Community) are also too close from their section body IMO too. At f

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
Just now, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > > > > * The "noise" background image is still at the previous place > > which is now completely bogus. > > I don't understand what's wrong with the background image. The > problem with the headings i

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > Just now, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: >> > And a major bug (chrome, now on linux): resizing the browser doesn't >> > reposition the text in the middle. >> >> Can you be more specific, p

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
Just now, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > > And a major bug (chrome, now on linux): resizing the browser doesn't > > reposition the text in the middle. > > Can you be more specific, perhaps with a screenshot? I just tried > this with Chromium

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > And a major bug (chrome, now on linux): resizing the browser doesn't > reposition the text in the middle. Can you be more specific, perhaps with a screenshot? I just tried this with Chromium on Linux and it repositioned just fine. Sam

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
And a major bug (chrome, now on linux): resizing the browser doesn't reposition the text in the middle. -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! _ Racket Developer

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
30 minutes ago, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > > All in all, I really like the idea of renovating our home page. What > I would like to see is that we get > > * a distinct home page > * one that brings across that Racket is full spectrum > technically -- you can gradually migrate from unty

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Greg Hendershott
> One I encourage us to use was Google Web Optimizer (free). Typo there. I meant, "One thing I encouraged us to use..." in that past life. We found it helpful. (It's not really my role to encourage Racket doing this. Instead I wanted to point it out as a possible option.) On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 a

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Greg Hendershott
I _really_ like the idea of giving it a fresh redesign and including more information on the home page. (comment (for-meta 1 #< wrote: > Recently I (with assistance from Asumu) have spent some time drafting > a revised home page for Racket. A revised web page will nicely > complement the big upcom

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Matthias Felleisen
On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > 3. It puts more info on the first page. To my surprise, I like it. > 4. The font size is larger, which I think makes it much more readable. Speaking as an old person who has arrived in the age of reading glasses (I think) I am a

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
I dislike the switch to something that looks less unique -- this feels more like yet-another-site of a language. I can't really put a finger on what makes that, but I think that the big factor is the dark header. (I didn't like it when Matthew initially suggested it, but I think it ended up being

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote at 08/20/2013 09:52 AM: Can you say more about why this is? Is it the pictures? Yes, I scroll down the page and I see pictures and a simple picture language, and it seems to be using them to introduce some pretty simple and familiar concepts, so I assume it's for

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote at 08/20/2013 09:40 AM: > >> Are you referring to the "Quick" tutorial? I don't think that's aimed >> at children, per se -- just people who have no experience w/ Racket. >> > > > OK, I can only offer a single data

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote at 08/20/2013 09:40 AM: Are you referring to the "Quick" tutorial? I don't think that's aimed at children, per se -- just people who have no experience w/ Racket. OK, I can only offer a single data point: to me, one glance at the "Quick" tutorial looks like "educ

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > Sam and Asumu, this looks like significant improvement in several ways, > thank you. > > Two comments: > > * There's a lot of stuff for a home page. I don't know whether this is good > or bad, but it's noticeable. This is intentional. I thi

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Nick Shelley
HtDP is how I learned to program correctly *after* I got my bachelor's in CS. I still recommend it to coworkers and other experienced programmers so they can start to learn good coding habits. On Tuesday, August 20, 2013, Alexander McLin wrote: > The new design looks good on my iPhone and on desk

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-20 Thread Alexander McLin
The new design looks good on my iPhone and on desktop. It is a good improvement over the old site. To add to Neil's comment about dividing into two sections for experienced programmers and educational outreach for aspiring programmers. One issue I often see with others when talking about Racket is

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Sam and Asumu, this looks like significant improvement in several ways, thank you. Two comments: * There's a lot of stuff for a home page. I don't know whether this is good or bad, but it's noticeable. * Under "Documentation" heading, the subheadings are confusing, IMHO. 5 of the manuals

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread David T. Pierson
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 05:39:54PM -0400, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > Recently I (with assistance from Asumu) have spent some time drafting > a revised home page for Racket. A revised web page will nicely > complement the big upcoming release, I hope. You can see the draft > here, which is ready

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Robby Findler
This looks fantastic! Thanks! Robby On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > Recently I (with assistance from Asumu) have spent some time drafting > a revised home page for Racket. A revised web page will nicely > complement the big upcoming release, I hope. You can see th

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
Ok, that makes sense. Can you file this as an issue on the GitHub repository I just mentioned? Sam On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Stephen Chang wrote: >>> - web scraper example is cut off when clicking "?" Maybe make the >>> overlay window variable width? >> >> I'm not sure what you mean. Ca

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Stephen Chang wrote: > Some quick observations. > > on Chromium Version 23.0.1271.97 Ubuntu 12.04 (23.0.1271.97-0ubuntu0.12.04.1): > > - broken links: download, research Right, these are TODO. > - only 2 examples? :) how come some got cut? The example formatting

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > Recently I (with assistance from Asumu) have spent some time drafting > a revised home page for Racket. A revised web page will nicely > complement the big upcoming release, I hope. You can see the draft > here, which is ready for peop

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Stephen Chang
Some quick observations. on Chromium Version 23.0.1271.97 Ubuntu 12.04 (23.0.1271.97-0ubuntu0.12.04.1): - broken links: download, research - only 2 examples? :) how come some got cut? - web scraper example is cut off when clicking "?" Maybe make the overlay window variable width? on mobile (andr

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Matthew Flatt wrote: > I get a "Go to the Choose page to select fonts" page. > > But reloading the draft Racket page (should have tried that in the > first place) seems to have fixed the problem. Ok, great. I think there are more sophisticated things I can do to

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Matthew Flatt
I get a "Go to the Choose page to select fonts" page. But reloading the draft Racket page (should have tried that in the first place) seems to have fixed the problem. At Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:26:23 -0400, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Matthew Flatt wrote: > > Fantas

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Matthew Flatt wrote: > Fantastic! > > The non-code font shows up rasterized on my phone (iPhone 4s running > iOS 5.1.1), while the code font looks fine. Both fonts look right on my > mini-tablet (Nexus 7). That's very odd. Both fonts are loaded from Google fonts,

Re: [racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Matthew Flatt
Fantastic! The non-code font shows up rasterized on my phone (iPhone 4s running iOS 5.1.1), while the code font looks fine. Both fonts look right on my mini-tablet (Nexus 7). At Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:39:54 -0400, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > Recently I (with assistance from Asumu) have spent some t

[racket-dev] Revising Racket's home page

2013-08-19 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
Recently I (with assistance from Asumu) have spent some time drafting a revised home page for Racket. A revised web page will nicely complement the big upcoming release, I hope. You can see the draft here, which is ready for people to try out: http://homes.soic.indiana.edu/samth/new-web/ Some